I watched Alec Baldwin last night on “Saturday Night Live” and roared. He is a doppelgänger for Trump. He has the hair, the mannerisms, the mouth that looks like a tiny hole, the whole Trump impersonation. And the lines! The script is very, very funny!
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William Henry Harrison had the shortest presidency in history. Let’s see if we can beat this record. It’s been 176 years since that record was broken. If the Cubs can beat their first win since the 1908 World Series, then we can beat this one!
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This link was easier to play: (on my computer, that is… although you have to sit through a commercial)
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As a lifelong Cardinals fan, who has never given a crap about the Cubs because you could always count on them losing, I find your reference to them in relation to the topic of the untimely demise of our soon to be 45th president to be. . .
. . . quite humorous-good job!
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Ebola at the inaugural ball would be divine intervention. At that point the CDC would still be there to save the nation. Far preferable to a meteor leaving the buildings intact.
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We should support the office regardless of who is occupying it. Your comment about ebola is frightening and a threat. There is no place for this type of threat in America.
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How many days in office until the impeachment proceedings begin? Five dollars gets you in the pool.
Hey Joel, where did you get the Ebola to make your dastardly threat to Amurica? Did you go to Home Depot? They have good Ebola.
Speaking of respect for the office, I wonder which United States Congressman will shout at the State of the Union Address that the United States President is a liar. Five dollars gets you in.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/
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Are any comments really unexpected when the birther concept, “fake news” and comments such as the Mitch McConnell classic, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” have been and are in play? What do you really expect?
The PEOTUS changed all the rules with comments like “low energy”, “Little Marco”, “Lyin’Ted”, “blood from wherever”, and “lock her up.” What the hell do you really expect?
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Tom Brown
No threat a wish for divine intervention.
I would respect the office, if the office holder was respectable and if he was legitimate . He is not .
Between the likely collusion between the Trump team and the Russians . Five calls from Flynn on Christmas day to the Russian Ambassador . That’s a lot of Merry Christmas wishes. Did Flynn call any other nation to wish them a Merry Christmas. That was a thank you for their gift .
Why was Flynn at a Dinner in Moscow in August of 2015 sitting next to Putin while on the Trump Campaign team . He was a recent American intelligence officer.. Show me a picture of him sitting with any other foreign leader
I say collusion with a foreign power to influence an election is treason. Sooner or latter we will find out. Just as we found out with Nixon the Break-in at the Watergate was in June of 1972 Nixon resigned in August of 1974 .
Giuliani’s collusion with the NY office of the FBI is now under investigation .As well as Comey’s actions. You would have to have been born without a brain stem to believe that the confluence of those two factors did not affect the results in the three states that were separated by less than 1%
This was a slow motion coup for which the Trump team should be tried and jailed or given the needle . No resigning to Trump tower this time around
Anything else I can help you with .
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Joel,
You are amazing.
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LeftCoastTeacher
Thanks for the help LeftCoast I was thinking I may have had to seek refuge in California . When it cedes. But I guess I am covered by past precedent.
“And so I began to pray what the Bible teaches us to pray and that is imprecatory prayer. An imprecatory prayer is very strong. Imprecatory prayer in Psalms 109, for example, says if you have an evil leader above you, you pray that Satan will stand by his side and you ask God to make his children fatherless and his wife a widow and that his time in office be short… Other Psalms say when they speak evil, God will break out their teeth and when they run to do destruction God will break their legs…
To those offended by the idea of praying for death, Wiley shrugs. “I’m praying the word of God. I didn’t write it. Don’t get mad at me.”
Tom Brown:
Did you object so strongly when the second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention in ‘06 and ‘07. In ‘08,
ushered those words
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/02/14/praying-for-obamas-death.html
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Joel, more info for Tom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_threats_against_Barack_Obama
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No. If Hitler is in, we should fight against it. Blind following is never a good idea. It was a mistake that this guy is the president. We should stay on our toes and watch this guy like a hawk until we can get him out!
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Joel,
He tweets all day. You should have gone with bird flu.
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Nice.
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Maybe his VP will shoot him in the face. (It never gets old.)
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I think the White House staff should put biohazard seals on Drumptruck’s forehead.
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So did we..roar with laughter😂😂
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I am delighted that Alec Baldwin is getting to the pres elect!
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Inaugural Songs:
2 Illegit 2 Quit
Goldfinger
Tweety Bird
Do the Trumpety-Dump
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Don’t Believe the Hype
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Highway to Hell
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Nowhere Man
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Who Let the Dogs Out?
Another Brick in the Wall
Can I Touch You … There?
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Do You Really Want to Hurt Me
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/bromwich.php?articleid=12844
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Wrong paste, even though it’s a good article on MLK’s Riverside Church speech.
Here is the “Do Really Want to Hurt Me”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9MdW8RISCI
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Or how about Culture Clubs “Karma Chameleon”
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I’m sure had he been mocking Obama or Hillary…the same skit would be found offensive, deplorable and unAmerican. Disrespect for the office of the President is unacceptable from either side. Wishing Ebola on society is reprehensible as well. Mind boggling and appaulling! I feel some are grading the student…before they even took the test! Is this how things work for some? Interesting…very interesting.
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SNL has never mocked Barack or Hillary. Or any other President.
I grade students before the test. I grade them on spelling, too.
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Watch out LCT, those who have faux outrage usually do not have an irony detector. Mine is working quite well.
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I don’t disrespect the office.
I disrespect the braggart and bully who will soon occupy it
#Putinspuppet
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I agree that expressing a wish that Ebola would stricken people is offensive. There are times when we need to go high, and this is one. I don’t want Trump to be president, but I also don’t want him dead.
However, given that we have all gotten to know Mr. Trump quite well since he announced his candidacy, and now that he has recommended his cabinet members, we can predict fairly well what his presidency will be like. He has been tested many times over the past 18 months, and he has failed every time to take the high road. He has done all he can to subvert the Constitution, and that should worry every American.
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It’s called satire. No one wishes Ebola on anyone else. People need to calm down…
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It was funny, but i actually felt uneasy about it–not because Trump was being spoofed, but because all of the issues satirized are a matter of great importance to the future of this country. Seems that each day, I’m more and more horrified at the idea that this man will be president.
By they way, for those who are going on about how awful it is to disrespect the office of the presidency, it’s far too late for that. Trump has done a bang-up job of doing just that and he hasn’t even been president for one day yet.
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Yes, LG. The collective amnesia of the Right as is displayed by Tom Brown and Openminded (oh the irony!) above is almost too funny because they are oblivious to their duplicity. President Obama, regardless of what thinks of him, was the most threatened–his candidacy and term in office alone required great personal courage–and vilified president since Lincoln. And they’re worried about Donald’s feelings after he and they questioned President Obama’s legitimacy not only as president, but as an American!
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Let’s stipulate that Obama was vilified and mocked far beyond reason. How, though, does that make it right to do the same to Trump? If not nice people do things that are, well, not nice, that’s not justification for doing the same thing, it’s a call to be the better person. Don’t parents still teach that two wrongs don’t make a right?
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I never vilified Obama. He is a man of intelligence, reason, and civility, even though I didn’t like what he inflicted on education.
Trump lies from minute to minute. He claimed he won a historic victory. Not true. He claimed millions of people voted illegally. Not true. He claimed he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering on 9/11. Not true. Go to Politifact for more.
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Oh, yes, there was also Trump’s six-year campaign alleging that Obama was not born in the USA. Remember that he claimed to have hired private investigators to go to Hawaii, and they were finding unbelievable stuff about Obama. Yes, it was “unbelievable,” but not about Obama. Then there was his campaign to revive the death penalty for the “Central Park Five,” the black teens who confessed to beating and raping a jogger in Central Park. They were subsequently exonerated by DNA and the confession of someone else. Trump refused to accept their exoneration.
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Trump is an utterly disgusting human being.
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You are right, Dienne. One should not vilify Donald just because of how President Obama was treated. But Donald give us so much material to work with. Donald’s fascist tendencies alone should suffice. We would be negligent in our roles as citizens not to pay attention, comment, and engage in resistance. We get new reasons every day, sometimes many per hour. To take an example from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTjGvdy_BX4.
Stay tuned. I’m sure we’ll have many more to choose from in the next 24 hours.
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“I never vilified Obama.”
Where did I say you did? Sigh. My point is simply that just because the right-wing vilified Obama does not give us license to vilify Trump. Be the better person. Stick to the issues. Those used to be things all sensible people, right and left, agreed upon. Now our whole country has descended into one giant playground battle. I know you are, but what am I? I’m rubber and you’re glue…. Neener, neener, neener.
Again, sigh.
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I vilify Trump because he lies without shame.
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Seriously.
DESCRIBING his actual behavior is not vilification.
No one demeans Trump more than he does.
No judgement is necessary, to want to vomit when he does his word salad.
I can only “Imagine him FORGETTING what is appropriate when he is face to face with FOREIGN LEADERS, our allies or our enemies.
Here is a typical word-salad sentence from this man… Imagine him talking as YOUR representative… which he will be!
“Look, having nuclear–my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart –you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world–it’s true!–but when you’re a conservative Republican they try–oh, do they do a number–that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune–you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged–but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me–it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right–who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners–now it used to be three, now it’s four–but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years–but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
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Susan, what’s the source of that amazing quote from Drump?
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AHA. You know, as journalist at a real Nes-site I have to have a link if I say it.
It is from Slate!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/07/31/donald_trump_this_run_on_sentence_from_a_speech_in_sun_city_south_carolina.html
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Sorry, Dienne. A soon-to-be-president has put himself into a position that made him highly susceptible to vilification, humiliation, and stigma–all because of his compulsive, pathological behavior to blatantly lie, bully, sexually harass anyone who doesn’t agree with him.
He is willing to make him an exception to rule. And he keeps doing so.
It was Trump who made that choice. Not us.
What he is doing so far since the election is expecting all American citizens to each and every single opportunity so that he proves his integrity by cleaning up the mess in his head.
And he flushes them down into a toilet.
I have never seen any president regardless of political platform–who has the shortest temper, thin-skin, and narcissism.
Be a good citizen? That directly hits him and his supporters on the head.
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Dienne
Well I call them like I see them. I have vilified Obama and both Clinton’s. So I guess I am an equal opportunity employer..Using much of the same criticism that you have and attributing some of their policy initiatives or lack there of, to character failures No need to expand.
Have you in your life experience seen anything like Trump before.
He is starting with inciting crowds to attack opposition and the Press .Attacking the press while turning the truth upside down, Goebbels would be proud, Trump has raise the concept of the big lie to a point that it becomes a Kafkaesque exercise sorting through the lies. Add the narcissism, demagoguery, misogyny, lack of self control ,throw in possible collusion with a foreign power and at home to steal an election. (treason).
Do you see an existential threat to this Democracy in Trump ?.
If so why are we having a discussion about being polite. .
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Joel, I think you’re my soul brother from another mother. Well said.
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What Greg said.
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Satire has been and continues to be a great way push back on the biggest lies. Alec Baldwin will help us get through the next 4 years.
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Trevor Noha on the Daily Show is a must see, at latest reopening minutes mon-Thurs.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1023597#i1,p0,d0
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On the serious side – I may sound like a conspiracy theorists but let’s suppose –
Remember the protesters at Trump rallies who were accused of being DNC paid? Could it be that they were actually planted by the RNC so that Trump could call them out as being Dem paid protesters. The public would cry “Oh poor Donald – he’s so persecuted by Nasty Hillary” and he then gains sympathy votes? Good plan huh?
With respect to the Russian connection – could it be that it truly is fake news instigated by the Trump people themselves? After the press and the public are consumed by this scandal the Trump people then come out with proof that it actually was incorrect and never happened. Why do this? Once this is done any scandalous report involving Trump will be readily dismissed as “fake news” whether it is or isn’t true. Hence forth Trump and his administration will be given free rein to do whatever they please without recrimination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzUC-7qEc1Y
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Wsauter,
Trump didn’t know that the Russians had invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea. He said with great conviction that it would never happen. But it did.
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Me too! I think this was the funniest one yet!
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Thanks of offering s one humor as we all despair. You blog is special
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Diane, you and MSM are doing more harm to the Democratic Party by publishing this nonsense. I used to follow your blog because I valued your insight on important education issues. But your blog has become so silly and immature, I can’t follow you anymore. I used to spend my time attending town halls, legislative hearings, and school board meetings. I’m done. I’ll look for another outlet for my passion for children. Goodbye!
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Sorry, RaisetheBar. This will still be the best education blog there is.
But I am am American. I love my country. I can’t bear the idea that a man who is a pathological liar was elected president. I am quoting Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz. I don’t understand why he respects Putin more than John Lewis. As Trump said, he is definitely as “asset” to the Russians.
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Sorry to break it to you, but there have been a plethora of Presidents that were pathological liars look no further than your beloved Barry.
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Real One,
I have often disagreed with Obama but I never thought he was a pathological liar. Romney, Rubio, and Cruz think that Trump is one. Can you find three high-profile Dems who said the same about Obama?
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That may be true, sir, but you see, this one is much more that a liar and a charlatan, he is a sociopath at the extreme end…which is a psychopath. Such personalities have no grasp of other folks… they lack the genetic inheritance for EMPATHY. This man is capable of destructive behaviors because pleasing himself is althaea matters. Moreover, his particular behavior indicates that no matter of praise is enough…he has to be th best, and everyone else i last– very sad people.
Moreover, sirs, as to your false equivalence and utterly fallacious meaning, his lies know no boundaries. He is quite clear that his ‘celebrity status’ allows him to break NOT MERELY LAWS, but MORAL BOUNDARIES.
Imagine now, as th skin he thinks he is, what this means, coupled with an ignorance that is MIND-BOGGLING… Do you intentionally look away from this?
Yeah, who can argue that all politicians lie.
But his broken child can change poisons with the same sentence.
I hate to say this, sir, but as a journalist I have a file of everything that he has said…and videos audio that allows me to see exactly who he is.
I mean, sir, I taught thousands f young humans whose behaviors had to be confronted. Like all teachers, we have only the behavior that sits in front of us to make decisions as to how to bet enable the youngster.
One does not have to be a playwright, as I am, to know that the plot is revealed by the behavior of the main characters.
I have a photo that I would put up here, if I knew how to do it at this blog, that shows him lurking, HULKING behind Hillary at that first debate. it made me, and psychologist whom I know, open our eyes and say, “BULLY!”
So, given his utter disdain for actual facts, and his lack of information on history, science or even geography, coupled with utter disrespect for th ethical moral behaviors that are visible in most law-abiding people, we have to conclude… there is something VERY WRONG WITH THIS MAN..
After all, HE KNOWS that we know is income tax is not under an audit that forbids his revelation, but in his first address, press conference to the nation HE LIES. He is delusional…beleiveing that his behavior as an entertainer and at the rallies, is FIT FOR THAT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE!
In fact — THE LAW THAT HE WILL soon SWEAR TO UPHOLD– demands that he divest of his businesses, in a REAL way!
But this character–who is a legend in his own mind, favored by God.. stands in front of US and talks of a PLOY to shift his business, that is not merely transparent and unacceptable, but INDICATIVE OF HIS UTTER DELUSION ABOUT HIS NEW JOB.
He should never have run for president… would not have if he thought he would actually have to DO THE JOB!
That man pointed to a huge pile of manilla folders, unlabeled and closed, and said to the people of this land (not some reality show audience) “look this is the paper work —BELIEVE ME!” (you should see Trevor Noah do a piece on this.)
Sir,if you believe him, than what can I say.
I can say, that at this place where very observant and caring human beings write, such false equivilances make me wonder about just how much you actually know, or just how much do you need to say such things.
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Susan, I wish you would tell us what you really think. 🙂
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LOL!
Hmmm. let me think….. I THINK THAT IF TRUMP’S EGO demands it, he will plunge this nation into chaos, and nothing will stop him!
I think that these are useful adjectives to describe his behavior!
Immoral, perverted, Insane, loco, nuts, crazy, senile, demented, delusional, paranoid and stupid beyond belief!
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Add unhinged egotistical, thin-skinned, vain, bully..
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great adjectives to add.
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1) If you like your insurance plan you can keep it. 2) I firmly believe marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman. 3) I will walk the picket lines with workers who are being disenfranchised by Corporations. 4) This will be the most transparent administration ever. 5) I will make sure Guantanamo base is closed once and for all. Seems like a pathological liar to me
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Real One,
I like my insurance plan, and I kept it.
Like many Americans, he changed his mind about marriage equality. That is not a pathological lie.
He did not walk the picket line. Neither will Trump. Obama lied.
Was his administration transparent? There were no scandals. No lie there.
He tried to close Guantanamo. When he started there were hundreds of prisoners. Now there are a few dozen that no one wants. He tried. He didn’t lie.
Trump lies every day. He doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies. Did he see thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11? Did he send private detectives to Hawaii to find Obama’s birth certificate? Did they find unbelievable things while searching? Did he release his tax returns? Is Jeff Sessions the best qualified person to be Attorney General? Is Billionaire Betsy the best qualified person to run the Department of Education? Is Scott Pruitt the best person for the EPA? Is Rick Perry the best person for the Department of Energy? (His predecessors had advanced degrees in physics.) what’s the deal with Putin? Why does he insult everyone but blow kisses to Putin?
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The Real One: You are a cherry picker extraordinaire. Sadly, you left out President Obama’s failure on education. Had you done so, you would had a royal flush after taking four cards. I’m not the biggest fan of the President, but if that’s all you can come up with, there’s not enough virtual ink to make a similar list about our incoming fascist-in-chief. But I’ve got to hand it to you, you made a valiant try.
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Man, you all are getting as “strident” in your condemnations as I get sometimes. . . .
Gotta love it!
Now here’s hoping to y’all getting that strident with all the educational malpractices, especially the CBE, Digital Badging, Better than Bentham’s Panopticon 24/7/365 emotional and social learning surveillance and the complicit AFT involvement.
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Hmmm…
I notice “nonsense” and “silly” and “immature.” These items aptly fit—although they hardly exhaust those that could be used and are rather weak—Donald Trump and his words & actions such as nominating Betsy DeVos for Sec of Ed.
If you can’t give respect to get respect and a hearing on this blog because you find facts and logic too offensive to your sensibilities, then take your sneer, jeer and smear somewhere else because you are doing an excellent job of discrediting yourself.
Your call.
😎
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Respect the office. . .
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http://www.salon.com/2017/01/15/channel-your-agape-why-a-fractured-nation-needs-to-remember-mlks-message-of-love_partner/
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Do you think Trump ever read anything said or written by MLK? Do you think he has read the Constitution?
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Thank god for parody. It may be the only thing that gets us through the despair.
I think there is grave danger of pushing people into compliance by insisting that respect for the office means respect
for that man. The two need not be conflated. He’s a disgrace.
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This is one of my favorites:
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Susan, I posted that!
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I know. You post many wonderful videos. And then you add the poet’s voices, and it makes this place so interesting to visit.
I keep links to many things, as a writer at Oped, but I have on file on humor, with my favorite ones… some of which you post, here.
This is another of my favorites, by Randy Rainbow, moderating the debates:
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On this day, MLK day, and on every other day, Trump proves again and again that he himself is the civil (or uncivil) rights issue of our times.
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Did anyone check out the flag on Baldwin’s lapel? Satire at its best.
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I have a gut feeling that this will be a recurring theme. Keep an eye on the lapel pin in future programs.
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Greg,
My eyes are not sharp enough to see the lapel pin. What was on it?
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A Russian flag pin. “Donald” got the wrong red, white and blue.
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Thought so, but not sure.
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Oh, my sensible readers, who are suddenly becoming VERY CONSIDERATE for satire curses, should face your own “envious” siblings and relatives in getting your “unfair and bullying” inheritance.
I hope that these sensible readers will be very considerate to their own step children, their spousal mistress or lovers. Most of all, I hope that these sensible readers will be considerate to foreigners who will laugh while torture and kill their American citizens, like invasion over American economy and security.
The time is now to take practical actions to show the strong resistance and to do whatever that Americans need to do in order to deter and to stop President Elect and his new Administration/Cabinet who intend to destroy American Constitutions.
Curses will never affect people who are in the right; curses are merited for those who deserve them. It is right and just to curse someone when they have done wrong – in these cases, the act of cursing has its place. Back2basic.
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So it is Martin Luther King Day and what did our illegitimate President do on this weekend . He attacked an Icon of the Civil Rights movement for asserting the obvious that he Trump was not a legitimately elected President. Now a legitimately qualified President would have replied to Lewis that he is deeply troubled that Lewis felt that way and looks forward to working with Lewis for the future of all Americans.
We all know that this is not what he did . Proving he is not legitimately qualified nor probably legitimately elected once again. Nobody protests their innocence so much as the guilty.
I have had problems with the opinion pieces of many at the NY Times from Friedman whose “Flat World” that served the elites, to Krugman who has changed his economic opinions to suit his Political desires on too many occasions. I was deeply disappointed when Bob Herbert left the Times.
But today I am here to say ;
CHARLES BLOW YOU ARE MY HERO
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“. . . the obvious that he Trump was not a legitimately elected President.”
No, Joel, that is not obvious and is patently false within the confines of our current electoral college system. Not that I like it, but THETrumpster was legitimately elected, if one considers the electoral college law to be legitimate. If that law is not legit, then the first order of business is to get that overturned, not spreading more falsehood.
Attempting to fight error, falsehood, lies and prevarication with error, falsehood, lies and prevarication is worse than the original error, falsehood, lies and prevarication and can only lead to further error, falsehood, lies and prevarication on all sides. No need to sink to that level.
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Looks like he left out “probably” the first time around in his comment.
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Duane E Swacker
Well Duane the question is not whether Donald Trump received the require number of votes in the required number of states,he did. Whether those results were affected by voter suppression another story. Whether there was manipulation of the actual vote highly unlikely but worthy of investigation and correction for the integrity of the process.
The question is were there circumstances that tainted the results of the election that go far beyond the scope of normal dirty politics?. That is apparent to many of us. If the allegations of collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians , if the apparent collusion between the Trump campaign and the FBI, so glaringly demonstrated by the behavior of the Plunger and Chief Rudy Giuliani,can be substantiated than he is truly an illegitimate President . Both of which may not be possible nor likely with the current balance of power in Washington. But that will not be a reflection of the truth of the actual circumstances.
Collusion with a foreign unfriendly power “to give comfort to them” is treason. (i will expand if you like)
Collusion with what amounts to the official police of State to obtain or maintain power is tyranny.
This is not a football game. We do not have a referee, we do not have a video replay to be reviewed in the booth. If we did, we do not have a mechanism for calling the play back with penalty.
The only means we have of correcting an injustice is impeachment. Getting there is always a political decision of high consequence .
We have gone toward that path only three times. Nixon spared us and resigned under similar circumstances revolving his second effort to alter an election. Clinton was nearly impeached in a highly partisan assault over oral sex or lying about a sexual affair. Not an affair of State.
Whether again we go down this path and whether the allegations are true and worthy of impeachment are two different matters.
Many here, many Americans have seen enough to say that we should go down the path and see where we wind up.
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and it worries me that all this controversy is delegitimizing our election process and by that our democracy and America!
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Susan,
Putin’s goal.
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Exactly! Scary times!
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If there is no independent investigation of these issues, there will always be a cloud over Trump’s election. The Putin connection. The Giuliani-Comey connection.
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“The question is were there circumstances that tainted the results of the election that go far beyond the scope of normal dirty politics?. That is apparent to many of us.”
Whether it goes “beyond the scope of normal dirty politics” is a very debatable question and just because you state that “it is apparent to many of us”, that in no way, shape or form can be seen as a legitimizing rationale for your statement. Just doesn’t cut it.
Now is there any doubt as to GOP gerrymandering? Absolutely not. Nor are the dirty tricks used by GOP operatives to eliminate many poor folks from the voter rolls not without doubt. It happened, the question being to what effect. Now, the thing is, even with those up till now accepted means of vote tampering (not that I agree with them) we have no accurate numbers of those disenfranchised. If there is a sufficient amount (and one is the threshold but good luck with that) then, yes, let the investigations begin and let’s find out. Until then one HAS TO accept the “legitimacy” of the electoral process. Anything less is just elitist mob rule from the supposed left side of the political spectrum no different than that proffered by the elite right.
Whether the authorities that be or any others “go down the path” remains to be seen. Not that I wouldn’t mind seeing that path being taken as for me the whole process is bankrupt, why do you think so few actually vote. They know it’s rigged and their wishes stand no chance whatsoever of being heard by either of the duopoly’s parties.
But to categorically state as you did that “he Trump was not a legitimately elected President” can only be seen as filled with assumptions, and is ludicrous and risible and only serves to allow errors, falsehoods, lies and prevarications to be legitimized and normalized.
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Can’t agree at all with your “Putin’s goal” statement, Diane. Now might the Russians have done some interesting spy craft concerning THETrumpster? I highly doubt it but again to ascribe something that happened well before THETrumpsters bid for president, even before he was known to be interested, to some brilliant spycraft is as false as it comes. Tying together disparate bits of information (sloppy and amazingly fuzzy bits at that) to make a case for something afterwards is cheap comic book storytelling. I find that completely risible and ludicrous.
And concerning “If there is no independent investigation of these issues, there will always be a cloud over Trump’s election.”
Hmmm, just like the “cloud” over both Georgie the Least’s elections, eh! 2,000-Federal Supreme Court interference in a state issue, where were all the “federalists” then? Or just ask Michael Connell the Republican tech operative in 2004 what happened in Ohio with Diebold elections machines. OH, what he’s dead now? died in a small plane crash as he was preparing to out the GOP’s shenanigans in sworn testimony. How convenient.
This shit has been going on for a lot longer than this election cycle.
Again, to counter error, falsehood, lies and prevarications with the same can only result in more fallacious thinking leading away from any semblance of truth and only serves to weaken one’s argument.
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Duane E Swacker
“They know it’s rigged and their wishes stand no chance whatsoever of being heard by either of the duopoly’s parties.”
On that we may agree, which is not to say that is why they do not vote.
“Now is there any doubt as to GOP gerrymandering? Absolutely not. Nor are the dirty tricks used by GOP operatives to eliminate many poor folks from the voter rolls not without doubt. It happened, the question being to what effect.”
There may be the same dynamics applied to GOP dirty tricks, Collusion and Treason.
The American people deserve nothing less than a special prosecutor and a independent by partisan commission.
As Diane said.
That will not happen with out massive public exercise of First Amendment rights on a scope never seen.
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It would be nice for some sort of process/panel/group to take a complete look at our electoral process. How to do that I no not! But I certainly don’t expect the impetus to come out of the duopoly.
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I totally agree Diane! And I love how he does that thing with his mouth that looks like Trump’s which looks like a butthole right above his chin! hahahahaha
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