All the votes have been counted.
Hillary Clinton received 2.8 million votes more than Trump. This is the greatest margin ever for a candidate who did not win the election. She won 48.2 percent of the vote to his 46.1 percent.
Some initially thought this election had lower turnout than 2012. Not so: Overall, voters cast 7.5 million more ballots than four years ago, a jump of about 6 percent. Only a handful of states saw turnout drop—but those included the critical battleground states of Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa, all of which switched to Trump this year. (On the other hand, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan all posted bigger numbers than 2012, so there’s no clear link between fewer votes and a Trump victory.)
Trump seems troubled by his popular vote loss, even as he prepares to takes the presidency. Last month, he said he would have won if not for “the millions of people who voted illegally,” offering no substantive evidence that an illegal voting had taken place. He and his surrogates have also referred multiple times to his “landslide” victory—which it was not, by almost every standard.
Diane Ravitch's blog 
Obama and Hillary share the blame of not being willing to stand up on behalf of genuine educators, who, admittedly, are not as well versed on how to make money as Bill Gates, know a lot about the complexities of educating large numbers of children on behalf of tax payers who believe in public education.
Whether it is Massachusetts and New York and California…..places where education is so important that battles are fought against privatization, Hillary had enthusiastic, energetic support from teachers. In the states like my own….Missouri…..where the attitude is don’t rock the boat with arguing about what is happening to public education, Hillary probably won the votes of teachers than Trump…..but not with the enthusiastic energy that produced the actual difference allowing her to carry the popular vote. Taking teadhers for granted in a morjority of the states affected the results. I do believe that the electoral college would be more legitimate if the two electors they add based on the senators were eliminated. But it will remain a different way to elect the president….Trump figured it out better than Hillary. Quit whining about it.
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You can’t rationalize Trump. He played emotions led by his own. He didn’t figure it out, the Nazis did, Mussolini and the Fascists did.
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“. . . like my own….Missouri…..where the attitude is don’t rock the boat with arguing about what is happening to public education. . . ”
Yep, Lots of Good German stock in Missouri.
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Joe
It AIN’T about the educators ” IT”S THE WORKING CLASS STUPID” ( not directed at you) .
http://www.wsj.com/articles/percentage-of-young-americans-living-with-parents-rises-to-75-year-high-1482316203
Now the fool at the WSJ attribute this to high rents and tight lending standards . Duh !how about lower wages .That White (Black Orange,Green and Brown )working class is at least the bottom 85 % and it includes a hell of a lot of college grads in professions that do and do not require their education from Engineers and Teachers to Tradesman and Store Clerks…. lending standards are too tight lets bring back Sub Prime to make up for declining incomes (NOT.)
Clearly the Democrats threw their lot in with the Donor class . As the market is showing us like Charlie the Tuna. The Democrats are learning that wall street prefers the real Robber Barron’s.
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It is about education. Privatization is a tool of the wealthiest foundations and corporations…..figuring out ways to take tax money leading to profits. The democrats did not stand for much of anything. Education was an issue they did not have enough nerve to say much about….because they did not stand for much of anything. Ignoring it fit right in.
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joe,
They stand for privatization.
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All the votes have been counted — NOT ❢❢❢
☞ The Republican Sabotage of the Vote Recounts in Michigan and Wisconsin
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If you leave California out of the equation Trump won the popular vote by 1.57 million votes. It was only because of three counties in California that Clinton jumped ahead. That explains the importance of the Electoral College process. Those three counties should not control the vote of the country, no matter who the candidates are.
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But what’s even more interesting is that if you leave another 1.57 million votes out of the equation, then they’d be tied!
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FLERP, I’ve seen this right-wing meme all over the place.
As I and others have said before, cows and grass don’t vote, but that’s apparently what they seem to think is important.
The idea of one man one vote seems to totally escape them, and I wonder what they would be doing if Hillary had won the Electoral College but Trump had won the popular vote?
I’m sure that their frothing at the mouth and their screaming would be heard on Mars.
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I’ve noticed that Linda likes to drop her snarky little bomblets and then disappears. So, Linda, are the people in those three California counties less American than you? Is your vote more American than theirs (or mine)?
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Well, GregB, maybe Linda has to go out and feed her cows, all of whom, presumably, voted for Trump.
Okay, maybe that’s a bit nasty, but still…….
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Please stop taking my tax dollars and stop eating my produce. Your Walmart shelves will be empty because you can stop using my ports to unload the ships from China. You can stop watching television and movies, no more Google searches or IPhones. We are the 6th largest economy on the planet, have 12% of the population, and my vote counts less. 80 percent of the country lives in urban areas. We are America.
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Well said, JS
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JS, you can stop breathing air, too.
We own 40+ acres of heavily wooded acres, and we are a carbon sink- absorbing way, way more carbon than we produce.
Let me know if you want to buy some carbon offsets from us.
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JS
agreed .
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Linda Giffin,
The electoral college won, preventing a single state or few counties in a single state able to decide the future of our nation. In other words if one man(woman) one vote concept was in the constitution, The “Peoples Republic of Kalifornia (my apologies to Arnold) would have single handedly decided it for all the states. Our nations fore fathers were smart indeed.
Remember parties placed two deeply flawed candidates in the ballot and it is not a surprise that one of them won. It is a sure thing based on mathematics. Now it is time to live with it.
The good news is that we do not have to listen to the looser any more, (The Clintons are history) and the bad news is we have to listen to the winner for 4 more years.
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YEP, Raj!
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No. no, no, no, no, no, no and no to the 2 deeply flawed candidates meme. Please do not equate HRC to Trump. No comparison, not even close. Hillary is not deeply flawed, she has failings like all humans. Trump is worse than flawed. He is an absolute disaster and he has surrounded himself with more disasters. Trump is a reckless and unhinged demagogue, Hillary is not even close to that.
The electoral college is garbage and serves no purpose in 2016. It’s a relic from the days of slavery. We’re all Americans first and one person one vote should suffice.
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Joe
Deeply flawed yes yes yes yes. but certainly not equally flawed. Trump doesn’t belong on the PTA no less in the White House. Hopefully he tweets his way into a trade war and a punishing recession that kills the economy. Because the sugar high we will get from a stimulus package will wear off fast . While the Republican agenda that they will pass with a bare majority will leave the American people a century behind where we are now. Funny the democrats had a supper majority in 2008. Time to vomit some more.
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Linda Giffin
If we just left the states out that receive more more tax dollars than they contribute . Clinton would be Queen for life . . Yup just discard 40 million people .
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If you leave out the Deep South and Florida, which represents 1/7 of total electoral voting blocks, popular vote margin will likely widen up to 5 million.
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Just remember, this country is not a true democracy it is a republic. People seem to either not know this, or are avoiding the reality.
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Linda,
Why not leave out Texas? Why not leave out the south? If we leave out the South, Clinton wins big. Your desire to disenfranchise only people who live in California is quite ugly and nasty. Worthy of someone who adores Trump and thinks he is telling those minority and Immigrants exactly how it is. No wonder you and the American Nazi party and the ku klux klan are all such fans of Trump.
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Why should any one person in the USA count more than any other? The Electoral college, even with it’s perceived flaws, allows each state to have some say in our election of the leader of the Country. If the “popular” vote was all that counted, why would any candidate for president ever visit North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Vermont, Idaho, et al.? They would only campaign in California, NY, Florida, Texas, Ohio and only other of the big urban population centers around the country. It’s amazing how the population only counts when an unexpected outcome is achieved but, otherwise, everyone matters, right?
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I think this allegory will be appropriate, now that the election was stolen for th e 2nd time in 16 years, and this time by a dangerous charlatan.
here is the link… and a copy paste of something that moves along what retired teacher and I were discussing… the return of the rich to the top.It is less sci-fi then it is prediction.
” The Hostile Takeover of America | OpEdNews”
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Hostile-Takeover-of-Am-by-Bob-Passi-Accountability_American-History_Americaspeaks_Capitalism-161221-275.html
Think of the last election as the last play in the hostile takeover of America. It was vulture capitalism. It was the long con, and most satisfying to Trump was that he beat the economic elite at their own game.
He was probably watching from the sidelines while the economic elite conjured up the takeover of a previously democratic nation and, with cynical pseudo-logic and an almost plausiblideology, drained democracy away and replaced it with an empty, ruthless and mechanical economic system-a new civic religion based on an abstract and digitized market morality that stripped away the life and humanity from decisions and turned them into decisions about people based on the invisible hand of the marketplace, without any human conscience or responsibility.
The market was God and the wealthy its priests and paladins.
As the new civic religion swept across the land, changing laws and institutionalizing its catechism, the old civic religion of Democracy was lost in the dust of the phenomenal “progress” of unfettered free-market capitalism brought to us like Christ brought us Christianity, with the new Christlike figure being Milton Friedman.
The transformation was successful and it was in the process of being spread across the world when the congregants began to notice how little it was doing for their lives. They began to notice that those who did the hard work were actually getting less of the rewards. They notice that all the benefits of the system were being skimmed off by a small group of priests, the wealthy elites. They began to see that the system was being manipulated and corrupted by the very people they were to respect as true-believers and that they were held above the laws of ordinary people and beyond accountability. They saw that the Dow Jones, the giver of truth and direction, only was an indication of how the priestly class was doing and not at all about how the ordinary folk were doing.
Ultimately, they saw that the system did not really work and was only another justification for an economic elite to control the wealth and power at the expense of the ordinary people.
They saw that, once again, the wealthy and powerful had conned them and exploited their trust in leadership.
The people attempted to rise to replace the faulty and empty economic system with democracy to restore a more human balance and return economics to its proper place.
But the economic elite would not allow those with only common stock a place at the stockholders’ meeting. Instead they allowed only those with preferred stock to vote. The decision was to continue on with business as usual, putting forward an unexciting, but tried and true, champion of their system.
Of course, by now the system had been exposed as being empty, weak and dying, vulnerable to a hostile takeover. It had also shown itself to be disdainful of any rules, ignoring them or manipulating them as it pleased.
The real threat to such a take-over had been neutralized with their exclusion of the common stockholders from the meeting.
Now it was only a bare knuckles, knock-down, drag-out fight between factions within the economic elites.
Knowing how to manipulate the media and knowing how to find support among those who had been disregarded and forgotten as unimportant (the Republicans had shown the way to develop and use such a group in forming the Tea Party earlier), Donald Trump could expose the weakness of the established elite, ignore the rules and, with ruthless power and chutzpah, simply topple the weakened and empty system and step into the vacuum as the victorious leader.
The economic elite had conveniently gotten rid of his only real threat, the ordinary people, in the elite’s arrogant move to diminish the common voice in the election. Without that action Trump’s ploy would not have had a chance. By doing so they had made themselves completely vulnerable and ripe for the picking. He simply crashed the stockholders’ meeting with a whole other group of enraged stockholders and took over the meeting and the country.
Now he could finish the work by dividing the nation into divisions of Corporation USA and allowing the states to function as subsidiaries being judged by how much they contribute economically or in moving the corporate business plan forward.
The final gamble, of course, was whether the ordinary populace would accept this new turn of events. He was sure they would since they had stood by and allowed him to dominate the entire discourse during the election season. The elite had been, and still were, entirely focused on Trump-bashing while events were passing them by and that, coupled with the shock of the take-over, would allow people to continue in their passive, “take no real risks”, submissive direction, never really standing up.
They were losers and didn’t know how to get organized enough to fight back.
By the time they ever began to think about it, it would be too late. He would be in control of the mechanisms of power, the largest military in the world, the best security state ever devised. Now he could manipulate and control them and bend them to his will.
The hostile take-over of America was a fait accompli and he had done what no one could have ever imagined. He had won. He was the biggest king of the world’s biggest hill.
And he had proven that he is the best and can do anything he sets his mind to.
Is this to be the final fate of this once great nation? This nation that had been the beacon of democracy for the entire modern world. Will we simply sit on the sidelines and complain? Is he right about us after all? Have we turned into a nation of losers? Is this how the American Dream ends-with just a whimper from a defeated people?
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Under our REPUBLIC the final count is based on the Electoral College vote. If this had been just a democracy then candidates would pander only to heavily populated areas and forget about the rest of the country. With the Electoral College format ALL STATES AND THEIR CITIZEN’S MATTER. Hillary ran a campaign that pandered to just a few heavily populated areas, while Trump was speaking to all people. Well, he did skip California, but he made sure the people in other states feel important.
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i live in NYC and there was NO campaigning in NY or California. Quit with that lie.
It just turned out that people with better educations — who left those falling states to come to the coasts — preferred a candidate who wasn’t a racist and xenophobe encouraging his ku klux klan supporters to violence.
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What a tragic farce this election was, for the U.S. and the planet as a whole. First, the Hillary campaign sabotages the Sanders campaign. BOTH parties stage “debates” which never examine the two existential threats to our existence: nuclear weapons and climate change. Then the Republicans, masters of gerrymandering districts, repress and intimidate voters, insist on voting machines which can be hacked (NOT by Russians!), and also fail to do a full recount. See this FOCUS: The Republican Sabotage of the Vote Recounts in Michigan and Wisconsin
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/40926-the-republican-sabotage-of-the-vote-recounts-in-michigan-and-wisconsin
The U.S. oligarchy is now the most powerful banana republic in human history.
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Slow-moving nightmare.
We as a nation are not crazy, but our overblown capitalism is.
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Yawn!
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Wah-Wah (I don’t need no wah-wah)
George… All Things Must Pass…
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Little Fingers has already proven he is all for revisionist history. He does it every time he opens his mouth and tweets.
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Yes. Every history teacher should abhor this president for his eagerness to promulgate fake history.
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To be fair, Little Fingers isn’t the only president to promulgate fake history. In fact, few haven’t.
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You have missesd the point. Hilary got a plurality of 4 million votes in Californa. In the rest of the states the Donald got 1.7 million more votes than she did.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
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You forget to complete the quote that after statistics come your comments, Clifford.
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To see the votes broken down by counties check out the internet. Very informative and the map is a clear demonstration of the wisdom of the republic’s use of the Electoral College over a democracy’s popular vote.
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You need to do some research about why the Founding Fathers instituted the Electoral College. It’s more complicated than you seem to think.
No other republic in the world has such a system.
And the map is full of very sparsely-populated counties.
If that’s the way you think we should go, well, more power to you. I just don’t think that cows and grassland should be deciding who our President should be.
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The establishment of the Electoral College was an extension of the agreement giving slave states the ability to count each slave as three fifths of a person. That way of counting slaves enabled the slave states to have more votes in Congress, by increasing their numbers in the House of Representatives. By extension, the Electoral College, also based on populations represented in congressional districts, gave slave states more power in the election of the president as well.
That’s not “wisdom,” it’s slave owners, many of whom were our founding fathers, rigging the system to favor themselves and their own interests in both Congress and presidential elections. That’s self-dealing. In today’s American plutocracy, which is now very blatantly ruled by uber-wealthy businessmen and the pawn politicians they have bought, it would not be a stretch to call that a business plan, while progressives would likely see it as the super-rich exploiting marginalized and voiceless people to further their own advantage.
Read, “Yes, The Electoral College Really Is A Vestige Of Slavery. It’s Time To Get Rid Of It” by Dan Kennedy (2016, December 6):
http://news.wgbh.org/2016/12/06/news/yes-electoral-college-really-vestige-slavery-its-time-get-rid-it
According to Kennedy (2016), “Thus was born the Electoral College, with nearly all states awarding their electoral votes on a winner-take-all basis, unfairly empowering the slave states in the decades before the Civil War and small rural states today. The system has gotten so out of whack… that, in tiny Wyoming, each elector represents about 194,000 residents, whereas in giant California the number is 697,000…”
“Defenders of the Electoral College point to California, which accounts for all of Clinton’s lead and then some. Why, they ask, should California have so much power? The proper answer is that Californians are Americans, and, under the principle of one person, one vote, each of them should have just as much power as, say, a dairy farmer in Vermont.” (Kennedy, 2016)
Also read “The Proslavery Origins of the Electoral College,” by Paul Finkleman:
Click to access The%20Proslavery%20Origins%20of%20the%20Electoral%20College.pdf
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Ah, let’s look at that again.
California was not the only state Hillary Clinton won.
Almost 9 million voted in California. H. Clinton won 5,589,946 votes
to Little Fingers 3,012,095 votes.
In Oregon, H. Clinton won 934,631 votes to Little Fingers 742,506.
In Washington, H. Clinton won 1,610,524 votes to Little Fingers 1,129,120
In Nevada, H. Clinton won 537,753 votes to Little Fingers 511,319
In Colorado, H. Clinton won 1,208,095 votes to Little Fingers 1,136,354.
In New Mexico, H. Clinton won 380,724 to Little Fingers 315,875
In Minnesota, H. Clinton won 1,366,676 to Little Fingers 1,322,891
In Illinois, H. Clinton won 2,977,498 to Little Fingers 2,118,498
I could keep going but will stop here so open minds can look and stop falling for the crap that Little Fingers supporters are dishing out that California is the only state that voted for H. Clinton.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by almost 3 million, because of voters in every state, not just California.
For instance, in Texas, a state that Little Fingers won, H. Clinton still ended up with 3,867,816 votes to Fingers 4,681,590. If you look at a red-blue map of Texas, you’ll discover H.Clinton won the majority votes in most urban areas but lost in rural areas.
One last example, Florida, a state that Little Fingers won, where H. Clinton still picked up 4,485,745 votes to Trump’s 4,605,515.
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
The final popular vote is a total of all the states, and Hillary Clinton still ended up with 48.2 percent of the popular vote to Little Fingers 46.1 percent. There were voters who cast their votes for H. Clinton in every state.
Little Fingers won a rigged election, that even he admits was rigged because he’s been quoted on camera saying he doesn’t care anymore because he won the rigged election, and he will be President of the United States, but I will never think of him as my president. To me, he will always be a con-man, a fraud, a sexual predator-pervert, and a serial lair who has Sticky Little Fingers.
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The data links I used in my previous comment seems out of date. This one is up to-date. Just hover your cursor over each circle that represents a state.
For instance, New York state where H. Clinton had more than 4.1 million votes to Sticky Little Fingers 2.64 million
Or Hawaii, where H. Clinton took 62.2 percent of the vote to Little Fingers 30 percent.
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
The popular vote count comes from the sum total of all states, and not just California.
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Now I feel better that you included NY in the Republic. Was that a West Coast bias
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No bias. Just having trouble figuring out how New York and the other northeast states, that voted for H. Clinton, and the West Coast including Hawaii, but not Alaska, can break away and form a new unified, rational, sensible nation and escape the deplorables that are steering the old ship of state they hijacked with the rigged election that Trump swears exists.
When the British divided India and Pakistan they allowed Muslims to leave India and travel to Pakistan and Hindus to leave Pakistan and travel to India. But back then, Pakistan and Bangladesh were one country separated by India in between. That didn’t work out well and eventually Bangladesh became its own country.
If those east and west coast states break away, there is hope that the deplorables living in those states would all flow into the Rusty Bible belt while sensible-rational Americans would migrate west or east into the Blue United States.
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Don’t count out Illinois as a blue state in the Midwest. Although rural areas and collar counties of the city sometimes go GOP, Chicago is so solidly blue that it has not had a Republican mayor since 1931. In Illinois as a whole, since Bill Clinton, all presidential elections have gone to Democrats!
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Except the Democrats are looking more like Republicans 15 to 20 years ago and Republicans are more like Nazis today or worse, the KKK.
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Lloyd,
You state “When the British divided India and Pakistan they allowed Muslims to leave India and travel to Pakistan and Hindus to leave Pakistan and travel to India.”
You have gone too far in reinterpreting history. When the British divided the British Raj into India and Pakistan, they never anticipated the massive migration and the resulting mass killing. Millions of people, both Hindus and Muslims died for no apparent reason.
The British had no right to prevent anybody from moving, but sat there watching the mass killing that went on and did nothing to stop the massacre. Lord Mountbatten, Viceroy of India had stated that he will not allow any bloodshed, but he did nothing.
British always ruled using the concept of divide and conquer. Division of India and Pakistan in 1947 was the worst decision ever made by the British government. Muslims and Hindus had lived peacefully for a long time before that. Even now India has more muslims (about 15% of the population) than Pakistan and they live peacefully with the Hindus. Indian constitution protects the minority rights of the Muslims, but Pakistan does not.
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Raj, I have gone too far? Really!
All you’ve done is add more details to what I started.
The British Empire has a bloody and brutal history. What happened in India is no different than what the British did all over the world.
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Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois is circulating a petition to retire the Electoral College. Please sign it if you believe in one person, one vote: http://action.dickdurbin.com/page/s/add-your-name-retire-the-electoral-college
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There were places….where the damage being perpetrated by Bill Gates and Arne Duncan was perceived and challenged…this site has been among the best of those places. Nothing about the electoral college is as savage an attack as takeovers of public schools….usually illegal….to disenfranchise the right of parents to choose the people they want to set the direction for their children’s education.
Obama made a terrible misjudgment which caused him to do something proactive and wrong. Almost no democrats challenged him on it, and republicans were smart enough not to cheer, as his action was the direction in which they wanted to go, anyway. He chose Bill Gates to lead the nation
towards privatization of education. His secretary of education, Arne Duncan was as bad a selection for a democrat to make as DeVos is for a republican. I doubt she lasts more than a year…..Trump is willing to be stupid, but he has a low tolerance for employees to practice stupidity, which DeVos will do. Not many noticed the consequences of Gatesism—least of all the media. What should have been a major part of the soul of the democrat party was quietly forfeited.
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My biggest complaint about those two Is the fact that they do NOT send their children to public schools. Gates considers public schools to be for “ordinary” people. Why does no one ever ask why we can’t have private school education in public schools?
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That does not bother me much….sending their kids to private schools is an admission that someone is failing to provide enough for public schools…..it also demonstrates the most dramatic rejection of Brown versus board of education…….if you have enough money, you can segregate you child from those less worthy.
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For all you “What If” junkies —
“Just three counties – Macomb County, MI; York County, PA and Waukesha County, WI – elected Donald Trump. If those three counties had cast zero votes, Trump would have lost all three states and the election.”
http://cookpolitical.com/story/10201
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Great observation Jon. There’s an old Cajun saying,”If if was a skiff, den we’d all be goin’ on a boat ride.”
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