Peter Greene is furious. He was fully prepared to start criticizing Hillary Clinton, but he was caught off guard by Trump’s election. What can he tell his students? Should he shield them from the hate and prejudice unleashed during the election?
“I want to be able to tell my black students, my brown students, my gay students, my female students that I’m sorry, that this giant F you delivered directly at them is not what this country is, except that, of course, we just elected this guy, and apparently this is what this country is. I’ve watched the gleeful raised fist, the angry yell, the happy anticipation of telling Those Damned [fill in the blank with your favorite Other] that they can go straight to hell and we are just going to stick it to them now, you betcha. As I contemplate tomorrow’s work day, I have to wonder things like how my coworker who is spending the night at a “Build That F—— Wall!” party will interact with our co-worker whose husband, the father of her child, whose wedding we all attended, is Hispanic.
“This election has stripped us all of so much. While I am generally perceived as liberal or progressive, the fact is that I come from a conservative background and there are many conservative principles that matter to me– yet I saw the GOP leaders abandon virtually every principle they ever pretended to have. I have been churched most of my life– heck, spent many years as a church choir director– and I have been astonished to see Christians jettison beliefs that they have supposedly– but apparently falsely– held for ages, just so they can– I don’t know. Win? And the Democrats, my own adopted party (you can’t vote in primaries as an independent here) have continued to prove that they get stupider and stupider every time, dropping their principles and constituents so that they, too, can get their hands on big piles of money. I hope that this will finally be enough of a shock to wake them the hell up.”

I share Greene’s shock and indignation, and I agree with his advice. Try not to let the political “noise” distract you from your mission of being the best teacher you can be. As he suggests, get your coffee; keep your head down, and focus on the work at hand. This helped me get through the Nixon years and the Vietnam war, Reaganism and union attacks, and G.W. Bush and NCLB. You can still be an activist on your own time, but focusing on your students and your craft as a teacher will help to keep you sane. As far as explaining Trumpism, we can spend all day trying to figure it out and still not be clear on all the reasons.
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When I was just out of college and was offered a teaching job, I took my salary over nine months instead of twelve. I was too naive and stupid to figure out the money would run out. So I got a job selling cars for the summer and I was horrible. One day the used car manager pulled me aside to try to explain how to sell—my problem was that I was too honest and tried to listen to people. “You know what makes this job so hard?” he asked me. “Every sonnovabitch who walks through that door thinks they know more about what you do than you do.” I recall that lesson almost daily.
Those of us who follow this blog who are or have been teachers or are parents who care about education, are told by people who’ve never taught a day in their lives that they know more about education than we do. As one who has worked in education and health care public policy since I left teaching, I’m told every day by people who have never studied or worked in policy or politics how I don’t understand anything about either—or know too much and that somehow makes me unqualified to comment about “regular folks.”
I also think that community this blogs encompasses has two strikes against it. We are generally liberal and we have some connection to teaching, so we tend to try to explain and convince. That’s also a general symptom of being a Democrat and especially a liberal.
Republicans are better at building mirages around what people want to hear. As this election showed, they are instantly malleable if their interests or resentments are tapped. They have become cynically ideological and abandon empiricism, pragmatism, and pluralism. And rather than argue to convince, they echo fears and frustrations to guide their followers much like unruly cattle that are unknowingly guided through sluices to their slaughter. They know how to channel the idea that “every sonnovabitch who walks through that door knows more.” We liberals would rather take the time to explain and often learn the lesson of trying to teach a pig to talk: it frustrates you and annoys the pig.
I have previously argued on this blog that history has shown that our best presidents are usually preceded by some of our worst. Diane argued, and convinced me, that a Trump presidency was too horrid to even contemplate; the damage might be to great. But here we are. Let us hope that the many steps back that we will surely take in the next four years, the indignities and destruction we will have to endure under the guise of governance, will lead to many more steps forward in its aftermath.
That’s the only thing I can hope for to get me out of bed in the mornings ahead.
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GregB,
I once engaged in a 2-hour conversation with George Lakoff about how liberals and conservatives make their cases to the public.
It boiled down to this:
Liberals try to persuade the public with reason and facts.
Conservatives try to persuade the public with narratives, stories, and images.
The narratives (Father Knows Best) tend to beat the facts and reason.
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Diane, I am reflecting on your comments about liberals and conservatives because I was just thinking about the role of “data” in our current technology-obsessed world where massive data collection can be had to support about any concept. Seems like “data” is a grand imposter posing as fact and whether liberal or conservative … too many have been obsessed with this pseudo FACTUAL NARRATIVE supported by pseudo factual data. Not so sure I can wrap my head around liberals being “fact and reason” and conservatives being “narratives and stories…”. Humankind has been co-opted by mass collection of data and never has it been so apparent how false data can be in the face of humanity (which by its very nature is so messy). Never has it been more apparent – all the pundits and pollsters now bowing their heads in embarrassment over their use of “data” to reveal a Clinton win.
How will this false data narrative effect public education is what has been on my mind. Data in education is obviously no indicator of reality and sadly public education is shackled by it. This should be a time of reflection… a time where teachers are given leeway to be human and use their experience to impart life long learning in their students. But we are likely to be under more data than ever to ensure that public schools are eradicated as “data shows” how vouchers and on-line learning are “the only way”…. So conservatives and liberals alike have been under narratives, stories and images spewed out by super data…
Robert Reich has it so right when he talks about large scale changes needed in the democratic party. Time to stop the false narrative that the party has been “for and by the people” as it has not been for a very long time… it has been about power, money and corporate influence. I linked Reich’s words and it bears linking them again:
http://robertreich.org/post/152998666340
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This is for artsegal as well. George Lakoff was, and was not, ahead of the curve on the greater persuasive power of narrative, stories, images compared with “data” and reasoning. He was ahead of the curve in using his knowledge of linguistics, especially metaphors, to make that case.
Trump’s campaign succeeded in commanding the media. He deployed outrageous claims and caricatures, put on a non-stop show and served as the barker for it. Targeting the media as biased was part of the show.
The big losers in this prolonged spectacle of electioneering were the pollsters who thought their algorithms and “facts” about the electorate provided trustworthy evidence–sufficient to make a call on who won.
Two “outliers” in the survey industry who were on target, but they received little attention, an example of the black swan effect (believing there are not black swans when they do exist).
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Those of us in education tend to explain and analyze. With a lot of Trump supporters the response is much more of a visceral one against being left out of the economy and policies. Unfortunately, we will be forced to endure a host of policies from a bigoted conman and demagogue.
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I tried talking to conservatives with reason, but without much luck. They appear to listen, but then just respond with a talking point. One guy I was talking about the complexities of taxation, and he just responded with “Yeah, but Hillary will take all my guns!”
The big problem is most voters really don’t want to spend the time to know the issues. But like the used car example, they fill in their gaps of knowledge with beliefs or something they read online, thinking they really do then understand.
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Here is the link to Bernie to sign up for Keith Ellison for chair of the DNC. Bernie endorsed him.
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/keith-ellison-dnc?source=sh161110-em
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I went to coffee this morning with a group of older women. On my way in I met our senior member (91) who suggested maybe we should hit the bar instead. I don’t like beer, but I would love to hit the bar or the coffee shop with you. I find your entries insightful. Any interest in running for office?
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I need something a bit stronger right now….
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I would love to have a few bottles of good wine over a conversation with you both. Even a cheap one would do.
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I’m hearing a lot of anxiety from various of my students, particularly those with family members with immigration issues, and young Muslims.
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Given that all that is needed to win an election is better than average growth in the economy and sustained low inflation preceding elections, what the politicians say and pundits conclude is irrelevant.
More important than what Trump said is what he does. If no wall gets built (very expensive so don’t hold your breath on that one), some friendly Arabs and Muslims get in the country, and Trump divorces to marry a natural brunette, what will those supporters (who earn on average $70,000 dollar a year) do?
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Parents have a role too. I told my son if he imitates the President-elect we will punish him because those aren’t our values. He will not go along with this or he will answer to me.
I have many complaints about President Obama politically, but my son admires the President and I am pleased he does. I would be proud if he behaved like Obama does when he’s grown. Not so for Mr. Trump. Sad but true.
Trump can be a “good, bad example” of a grown up, right?
All parents know about THOSE 🙂
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C,
I was reflecting that 1950s kids learned the George Washington “I cannot tell a lie” legend. 2017’s kids will have a President who says he can do whatever he wants.
I bet that your son already has better instincts & values than to want to emulate DJT.
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Kids are pretty smart and teachers are generally telling children to treat other people decently, right?
Does Trump specifically have to be addressed? It applies to all people. Seems like they could roll the President-elect into the general “treat people decently” rule.
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This election shows kids that crudeness, vulgarities, and insults are a way to win. What a shame.
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The election also validated and licensed racist, sexist, and bullying behavior. My daughter’s friend cried because the taunts and insults walking down the school hallways are now constant (she is Muslim). My other daughter’s Hispanic friend in college will likely be deported if Trump rescinds executive orders. At her college, an employee said disparaging remarks about Clinton and gays, and my daughter let him have it with a verbal retort. But I fear her liberal views jeopardize her safety as conservatives resort quickly to terrorism and violence (think Klan) when their views are threatened. Already, locals ride their pickups through the campus displaying confederate flags. The Trump supporters on campuses are seeing this election as justification for harassment, payback, and cruelty.
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You people need to get a grip.
“Should he shield them from the hate and prejudice unleashed during the election?”
What hate and prejudice are you referring to? Are you referring to the protests and riots occurring now in the streets of America’s largest cities? The hate and the prejudice exhibited by those people burning US flags? Please provide evidence of similar behavior by people who didn’t support Obama when he was elected…either time. You won’t find it. Hell, I see hate and prejudice in the comment section of this blog every day when the topic surrounds Donald Trump, the republican party and the ‘deplorable’ people ‘ who support Trump.
I find it interesting that liberals who were trashing Trump and accusing him of not accepting the results of the election…before the election took place…are now rioting and burning flags and exhibiting intimidating behavior toward those whose beliefs and opinions do not agree with theirs. They are essentially throwing a temper tantrum.
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The collective temper tantrum occurred when large numbers of disaffected, irrationally frustrated, and, yes, bigoted people voted for Trump. As for the “similar behavior” I agree it was different. Rather than demonstrations, it started the minute after President Obama was elected: the use of racial epithets in polite company, the characterizations of the president as a monkey, half-breed, Kenyan, Muslim, liar, and countless other descriptions. It occurred when Republican leaders decided en masse to oppose anything associated with this president’s name, even the things they had previously supported. It occurred with the resurgence of racist, nativist groups and militias. It occurred when the protection around this president was increased to unprecedented levels, causing many of us to fear for his life throughout his campaign and terms. And even when many of us were frustrated by his politics, he and his wife responded with a gracious humility that made us proud to have such a decent family representing our country. Your rejection of the FACT that there was so much “hate and prejudice” surround these past eight years tells me everything I need to know about you.
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Perhaps some of the Trump vote was a racist response from those that rejected leadership from a black man. Obama’s popularity kept him in office for two terms. Hillary did not have that type of popular momentum to keep the “deplorables” at bay. The Trump campaign was exactly what they wanted to hear.
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We are referring to Trump’s behavior and his supporters’ during the election. If you did not see how making fun of the disabled, questioning a judge because he is Mexican, calling women various names, bragging about grabbing women’s genitals, being physically attracted to a 13-year old, imply dating your own daughter, threatening the press, encouraging violence at rallies, wanting to jail a political opponent, and too many others to list – is different from criticizing Republicans, then I can’t explain more to help you. False equivalences got Trump elected, but false equivalences won’t govern.
Protests are legal (so far). Riots and destruction are not. They are not the same thing. Burning the U.S. flag is disgusting, but protected speech. Obama’s elections are not the same as the Trump/Clinton election. We don’t know what Trump supporters would actually have done if Trump lost, but they suggested some pretty disturbing reactions detailing exactly what they wanted to do to Clinton and even if they would honor the Constitutional results.
Trump is president. The Office of President should be respected by all. That is sufficient.
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Suggestion: Let’s declare Jan 20 “Wear USA made clothing day.”
Get the Trump family to (1) wear USA made clothing for inauguration & (2) manufacture DJT’s and Ivanka’s lines in the US. DJT boasted he’d bring back jobs from overseas; they can start with their brands.
Spread the word.
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Mr Greene,
What were you telling your students before the election during the (obnoxious) campaign leading into this election? If you were doing a decent job at that time you will able explain wisely the end result. You and I cannot undo the election. Now your job is to prepare the students for the future. My job is to accept reality and work within the system to change what I can.
LAUSD which has a large fraction of Latino students, has started doing just that the day after the election. That is commendable leadership by the board members and the superintendent, teachers and administration. This is a great teaching moment that comes may be once in a life time.
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Please read a prior post by GregB about selling used cars.
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Raj…the LA Times article the day after the election, and I believe LASR as well, told of the terror of the Latino students. The BoE under the auspices of their Board prez Zimmer, had counselors on campuses immediately to work with and reassure children as young at five that they are safe in this country. These children are terrified that there parents will disappear.
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Stop with the hand wringing.
How about teaching students that in a free society, elections are important, have consequences, and sometimes don’t turn out the way we wanted or believe is best?
How about teaching students about their rights as enumerated in the U.S. Constitution and the ways that they can defend them?
How about teaching students how to think for themselves and respectfully disagree, even with authority figures?
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What do you tell your students? That you don’t always get what YOU want in a democracy; it is a collective decision.
And as to the above comment on a “collective temper tantrum” among Trump voters, you are seeing this right now with the protestors who can’t accept the results.
“Not my president”? Yes he is – for better or for worse.
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Look up the so-called “tea party,” birthers (especially the Trump part), “death panels,” and names like McConnell, Palin, Joe Wilson, Breuer, Alito, anyone on Fox News (Shepard Smith excepted), talk radio, Koch brothers–just to name a few–and then feel free to get back to me.
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Protests are perfectly legal, at least for now. Remember, it was Trump PRIOR the results who refused to commit to the outcome, if he lost. I can’t prove an alternate reality, but you should ask yourself what would be the reaction of Trump supporters if Trump lost the electoral college and won the popular vote. Then add in all the inflammatory rhetoric Trump said as if a woman candidate being Clinton would have said it.
Americans should respect the process and Office of President. Trump is now president. But that’s far as the reasoning needs to go.
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Excellent points, Vale! The Obama haters never differentiated between the office and the person.
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The “reasoning” of some of these protestors is that he should be impeached. They seem to be too dense to understand he hasn’t even taken office, nor do they understand the legal nature of impeachment.
If Trump lost and people were out protesting, I would view that as equally stupid.
To me it’s a psychological issue – people can’t accept that millions of other people have a different and legitimate point of view.
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It is legal to protest and call for Trump’s future impeachment. I agree that is a bit premature until several upcoming cases are presented and resolved.
You would have to ask protesters why they are protesting. The fact people cannot accept Trump’s agenda is a psychological issue, I agree. It is the foundation of free and legal dissent and psychologically people think and form opinions. That should never be considered a problem or we are giving up free speech.
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But how and what do we imagine that pro/Trump kids will learn or take away from how we use our pulpit?
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Glenn Greenwald is always worth a read: https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/
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Very insightful, thank you for posting!
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I am the principal of a small, girls’ high school in Palo Alto, California. I was devestated about the results of the election Tuesday night. Waking up Wednesday morning, I dreaded facing my students. I felt hopeless. A survivor of a sexual assault myself, Trump’s demeaning behavior towards women opened up old wounds that I had thought were healed. That such a man could be elected president, a man who I would never allow to walk through the doors of my school, a man whose ignorance and blatant disregard for knowledge is an affront to everything I hold dear; there must be some mistake. What kind of a world will my students, these bright and talented young women inherit? I arrived at school to find an e-mail from one of my teachers.
“I’m devastated by these results,” she wrote. “It’s going to be hard for me to focus in class.Between the misogyny, racism, anti Semitism…I will try to be hopeful for the girls but this is just shocking.”
Minutes later there was a knock on my door. A teacher entered. “I feel so guilty,” she said. “I didn’t vote. I usually don’t pay attention to politics. But watching Trump’s speech last night I was scared. I should have done something.”
After speaking with her, I braced myself for the student reaction. What would I say to reassure them? But walking through the school, visiting classrooms, the reactions I witnessed from students were shockingly indifferent. “Even if I were old enough I wouldn’t have voted,” one girl said. They were both bad. Apathy. Is this how we got to this point? We turned this election into a circus. We focused on tapes and emails and tax returns. We failed to look beyond the campaign drama, allowed political discourse to be reduced to soundbites: “drain the swamp!” “lock her up!” “build a wall!” We failed to dig deeper, to ask the tough questions , to look past the candidates’ personalities and critically examine their policies.
Now is not the time to sink into despair, to let apathy take over. As educators, we must teach our students why it is important to be informed, to understand and appreciate different views and perspectives, to develop informed opinions.
I remembered how hopeful I felt in 2008, after Obama was elected. But now is not the time to give up hope. Now is the time to educate.
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Vikki,
Two women in my family were very involved in politics. They both were lawyers in a time when women were just coming into the profession and had more than enough old boy network to deal with. They were in politics in the 70’s and 80’s when women were still just beginning to be more involved in politics. I remember them telling me stories of their experiences and what it took for them to make their way in male dominated areas. They told stories of the overt sexism that was pervasive. I think we need our young girls and women to hear those stories. I live about 3 hours from Seneca Falls, NY and was just astounded to see the sacrifices and bravery of those women who paved the way for us to vote and to be taken seriously. When election day rolled around, my mother and father packed me into the car and told me we were going to vote. I didn’t have a choice. They brought me into the booth and had me pull down the lever (in the old days!). I think this is how we start to teach our young girls about what voting means and the power they have. We have to show them the effort of the women who came before. We have to show them that the freedoms we take for granted were fought for by brave men and women who came before. We need to teach them that there IS a powerful and historic narrative of which they are a part and will be in the future.
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Mamie,
Thank you for sharing. How wonderful that your parents did that! I am still struggling to come to terms with the reality of a Trump presidency. and what it means for women. But you are absolutely right: Now, more than ever, we need to empower our young girls.
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What a disgusting section of comments. Whoa…
And I thought we had all been led to believe it was the Trump supporters that would contest the peaceful transfer of power and start another Civil War. Thankfully, the candidate many of you supported is showing more grace and humility than many of you.
I suggest, what you “teach” your students, is that there are a LOT of voices in America and they all have the same right to be heard and that right is exercised on Election Day. Sometimes the person you support wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s what makes America America.
I suggest, what you “teach” your students is that everyone’s voice matters. Even when that voice differs from yours.
I have never before witnesses such gross hypocrisy before. ‘Get a grip,’ is right. Have an open mind. What makes your voice more right than the voice of America that voted the other night?
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Exactly. Very well-written.
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nope
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So we should teach our students to respect racist comments? To listen to the voices of those who propogate hate and misogyny? I disagree with you. There is a big difference between a citizen protesting and a presidential candidate undermining the legitimacy of the election process. Protesting Trump’s racist and sexist dialogue and worrying about the implications for our children is far different from what Trump was doing. Trump’s supporters would have every right to protest had Clinton won. They would have had a right to disagree with her policies and the policies of her supporters. This is different from undermining the basic tenants of democracy and propagating rumors that an election is rigged. The former is a first amendment right. The latter is treasonous.
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