Kristina Rizga, staff writer at Mother Jones, wrote about the decision by Black Lives Matter and the NAACP to call for a moratorium on new charter schools. Their statements agitated Democrats for Education Reform, and its executive director Shavar Jeffries expressed his disappointment, as did the Black Alliance for Educational Options, which supports both charters and vouchers. US News & World Report treated the disagreement as a fissure among communities of color and asked (in the link, if not in the article), “who speaks for communities of color?” A provocative question since DFER is comprised of white hedge-fund managers, who hired Shavar Jeffries–an African-American lawyer, as its spokesmen. It would be a reach, if not a bad joke, to say that the hedge fund managers of DFER speak for communities of color. BAEO is headed by Howard Fuller, an articulate African American who was trained as a social worker and served for a time as superintendent in Milwaukee; BAEO is funded by the Bradley Foundation, the Walton Foundation, and other rightwing advocates of school choice. Who speaks for communities of color?
Rizga, who wrote an excellent book about a struggling public high school in San Francisco, writes here:
A few weeks ago, the Movement for Black Lives, the network that also includes Black Lives Matter organizers, released its first-ever policy agenda. Among the organization’s six demands and dozens of policy recommendations was a bold education-related stance: a moratorium on both charter schools and public school closures. Charters, the agenda argues, represent a shift of public funds and control over to private entities. Along with “an end to the privatization of education,” the Movement for Black Lives organizers are demanding increased investments in traditional community schools and the health and social services they provide.
The statement came several weeks after another civil rights titan, the NAACP, also passed a resolution, calling for a freeze on the growth of charter schools. The NAACP had equated charters with privatization in previous resolutions, but this year’s statement—which will not become policy until the National Board meeting in the fall—represents the strongest anti-charter language to date, according to Julian Vasquez Heilig, a professor of education leadership and education chair of the NAACP’s California State Conference. “The NAACP is really concerned about unregulated growth of charter schools, and says it’s time to pause and take stock,” says Vasquez Heilig, who posted a copy of the resolution on his blog.
Such policy positions come at a time when parents, legislators, and philanthropists across the country—from Boston to Philadelphia to Los Angeles—are embroiled in fierce debates over the role of charters, particularly in poor, urban areas where most of these schools have been growing. Since 2000, the number of charters more than tripled, from about 1.7 percent to 6.2 percent of public schools.
Charter proponents—including prominent black educators like Secretary of Education John King Jr., Geoffrey Canada, and Steve Perry—argue that legislators need to continue this momentum for “choice” and competition among schools, citing the high test scores and college acceptance letters that many charter schools deliver. “We should not have artificial barriers to the growth of charters that are good,” King told reporters at the recent annual National Association of Black Journalists–National Association of Hispanic Journalists convention, adding that “charters should be a part of the public school landscape and can be a driver of opportunity for kids.”
Skeptics counter that charter schools contribute to racial and socioeconomic segregation, and that high percentages of charter school students in poor, urban districts can also contribute to the fiscal stress and the downward spiral of the traditional schools. Throughout the country, Vasquez Heilig noted, state charter laws vary dramatically: Some charter schools find ways to exclude disadvantaged children; others are created with explicit commitment to serve the most disadvantaged students. Vasquez Heilig argued that a moratorium would allow the public to investigate current practices and promote those that work the best.
“It’s time to pause and investigate: Should there be so many entities that are allowed to open them?” he said. “If you are not an educator, should you be allowed to open a charter school? Is there a due process for parents who feel that their kids were pushed out? How do charters schools make decisions about firing and hiring? How do they spend public money?”
Rizga then cites the major concerns about charters and their impact on children of color: cherrypicking; exclusion and suspension of students who might lower test scores; unregulated growth and lack of oversight; high suspension rates of students of color and students with disabilities; loss of resources by traditional public schools, which enroll most students.
Most significant in these developments is the fact that critics within the black community recognize that charter schools are a means of privatizing public education. The loss of public schools is a loss of democratic control and parent voice, and that does not bode well for communities of color, which already have trouble being heard by corporations and elites.

The best scenario for public education at this time is for all the major pro-public education groups to unite and organize protests in Washington and other key cities around the country. We need to put visible pressure on policymakers if we want the endorsement of the NAACP and Black Lives Matter to have an impact. The most effective way to send a message to our leaders is for them to see black, white, poor and middle class citizens joining together to protest our misguided, failing public education policy. It would put all the key privateers on notice that the status quo is unacceptable.
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Agreed! That’s why you should join your local and state save-our-schools groups. If you are a teacher, join BATS. The national PTA has been co-opted by Gates $$$$$. Join the Network for Public Education. Don’t wait for someone else to lead.
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retired teacher
“The best scenario”
is to see the assault on public education as a much larger assault on American Democracy. Orchestrated by plutocrats or Oligarchs (most are) . Then to join with other groups from education ,to environmental, to labor and civil rights…
“to unite and organize protests in Washington and other key cities around the country. We need to put visible pressure on policymakers”
To bring the Coporatocracy ( spell check has not added that to it’s vocabulary, must say something) under control. It will be an imperative especially with a large Clinton victory. Having a valid passport may be the imperative of a Trump victory .
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While it is a good strategy to put pressure on Washington. The best way to initiate change is for us to be the change and assume those positions in government so that we do not have to fight or march. I am tired of yelling at people who have turned a deaf ear to me. We have to put like minds in position. We need to spend time recruiting and supporting individuals who want to serve us and not their personal corporate interest. They are not our leaders if we have to keep protesting them. Change the whole demographics of our government. We need to invest in our youth and equip them to take the lead. Those same black, white, poor and middle class citizens need to become their own solution. Privateers are banking on that they never wake up to this reality as they are more than the 1%
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Marches can work if many people show up. It is a visual wake-up call to policymakers.
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Simply put, it’s just one more way wealthy whites exploit people of color and “other” ethnicities, meaning, Business As Usual In America. Very disappointed in Mr. Jeffries for selling out African-American community members in this Ed reform scam perpetrated on the black community. Hasn’t enough been done to minorities on behalf of the wealthy elite in this country?
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“The loss of public schools is a loss of democratic control and parent voice, and that does not bode well for communities of color,…”
If “communities of color” are an example of democratic control and parent voice,
would they be inclined to “stay the course”?
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This isn’t at all about black students and black families. The national organization is out of step with its locals and the people it is serving.
Follow the money and the influence. This is about schools as employers, not educators.
http://www.pc2e.org/when_black_kids_don_t_matter
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John,
I didn’t realize you were a spokesman for people of color. So you think that the NAACP and Black Lives Matter is uninformed? Or shills for unions? How does the power of the unions compare to the power of Gates?
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Diane,
Somebody has to speak for the 32000 kids in Massachusetts charter schools or the 45000 on waiting lists. Unlike you and these other groups, I wouldn’t presume to tell them that I know better where their children should go to school.
That these groups want to close the schools chosen by these families is purely political and purely about adult interests.
Shouldn’t these families have a voice in the decisions about their schools?
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Maybe the issue here gets to the heart of a deeper question: Should anyone have a choice about sending their kids anywhere at the expense of our nation’s poorest kids who may end up with little to nothing?
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ciedie aech,
A fair question, but right now, most families make the choice of where they send their kids by buying or renting in an area where they like the school district. The nation’s poorest kids don’t have that choice.
Also, charters disproportionately serve lower income students. They also serve more than the state average and are currently admitting equal to city averages for ELL students as well. Data at http://www.doe.mass.edu/research/reports/2016/02CharterReport.pdf
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John,
The NAACP and Black Lives Matter did not call for “closing” charters; they called for a moratorium.
Given the ongoing illegal discrimination by charters and the financial scandals, closing might be the next step.
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John, are you really saying that black families want their children to be in schools where the only oversight is a handpicked board and a far away “oversight” agency whose prime goal is to promote charter schools and look the other way if a charter school making everyone look good is actually misleading people about the means by which those results are gamed by attrition and other methods?
You think those families are demanding “choice” but only if that choice is outside the public school DOE with little regulation?
You are the one who isn’t following the money and the influence. There are plenty of small charters that could be doing the same thing within the system as a “choice” school. And if asked, their leaders would very likely tell you that is the case. Perhaps they would want to use the power of the billionaires to have the kind of union waivers that some “choice” schools currently have and no doubt they would have the political power to get those since we have already seen it is possible. But you are pretending that “good” charter operators are insisting that they can only run their charters if all oversight is relegated to a pro-charter cheerleading organization. That never in history has a “choice” school worked (which we all know is untrue).
So instead of pretending that the NAACP is “out of step” with what black families want but you know much better, take a look in the mirror. No doubt a poll of those families asking them if they’d prefer a “choice” school free from any regulations stopping them from repeating the same actions that Success Academy does with no oversight (as long as the remaining kids have high test scores), or a “choice” school that has to treat all their students under regulations protecting them, it would be 99% for the 2nd option. But maybe not if you added that the anti-public school billionaires will only subsidize the first kind of school and will use their muscle to take funding from the second type. I suppose if you explain that “choice” will only be supported outside the system — otherwise the school will be undermined by the same billionaires who undermine public education — they might pick the 1st option. You don’t really want to make the “choice” a fair one, do you?
“Choice” advocates seemed to have made a pact with the devil never to call out the charters that get good results using methods that exclude and whose scores are used to justify their own mediocre performances.
The polls are carefully constructed to show support that isn’t there. The real question in poor communities is “do you prefer a choice school where the only oversight is a far away agency and a board made up of billionaires who fund the school, or do you prefer the exact same choice school that has to follow the same regulations to protect your kids that public schools do.”
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NYC Parent,
32000 kids in Massachusetts charter schools and 45000 kids on waiting lists apparently disagree with you.
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Those fictional waiting lists? The ones that contain the names of kids who applied to multiple schools? The ones who were accepted but their name remained on the list?
A marketing ploy.
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Tell students who aren’t selected in lotteries that they are “a marketing ploy”. The schools are full and there are waiting lists for many. I’m sure the number is inflated as you say, but there is no mechanism for telling families where they can apply or comparing names from waiting lists.
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There are empty seats in charters. The ones that are oversubscribed spend heavily on marketing. Remember the NY Times article about Success Academy spending $325,000 on marketing while the local public school could afford only $500? And the promise of a seat in college! That’s only if you obey and survive and practice meekness.
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Sure, just like there are tens of thousands of kids on waiting lists at Success Academy and yet they had empty seats because why would you fill a seat with a low-performing kids who won the lottery if you can figure out a way to discourage him from taking it?
I notice that you did NOT address the fact that “choice” could be done within the system. Typical of dishonest charter school folks.
John, if I were as dishonest as you are, I would say “there are 20,000 kids on wait lists for public specialized high schools – NOT charters”.
If I were as dishonest as you, I would say that Francis Lewis High School in Queens received 9,468 applications for 1100 spots, leaving over 8,000 students on a “wait list” for the same school. We need lots more Francis Lewis High Schools!
Midway High School received nearly 8,000 applications for only 1,000 spots. “7,000 students on the waitlist!”
Baruch College Campus High School got 5,745 applications for 111 seats — “over 5,500 students on the wait lists”
In fact, if I use the John-approved method of claiming there is a demand by families for public schools, I would say that there are even MORE students on wait lists for public schools than are IN public schools! It’s incredible! We need to tell charters to give up some of their space to public schools due to that huge “demand” — as John insists we need to describe that.
Central Park East got 5,114 applicants for 125 seats. That is “choice” school that works within the system. I noticed you carefully avoided addressing your insistence that black parents ONLY want choice where there is no oversight.
John, your response was designed to imply that those parents ONLY want privately run charter schools and have no interest in choice within the system. I challenge you to state that for the record — that black parents don’t want choice like Central Park East or Brooklyn New School. Even if those schools have a fraction of the subsidized funding that billionaires give “private choice” schools to try to convince them to overlook how some kids are treated as long as their own kid is treated well. Wow. Just wow.
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NYC parent,
Where there is demand, there should be more similar school or more seats, whether charter or district.
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John, the demand exists because of false advertising.
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Diane,
it’s pretty disrespectful of charter families to say that they are being duped by false advertising.
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They are being duped by false advertising. People of all races get duped by false advertising. They are being duped by PR and phony claims.
Never forget P.T. Barnum’s famous admonition about why people patronize the sideshow at the circus. He was not speaking of charter families or minorities.
I suspect that axiom is pinned to the wall of the advertising and PR agency (Mercury) that represents Governor Rick Snyder on the Flint water crisis and Success Academies.
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John,
There is a far greater population of minority students, of students with disabilities, who are not in charters or on any waiting list. Who speaks for them as resources are diverted to Charters. If we assume that all 45,000 were to receive a seat. Your 45,000 figure has to be adjusted for the attrition rate. Leaving you a much smaller cohort. And thus roughly 200,000 minority children not on any waiting list.In Massachusetts. Out of the 900,000 other children in Massachusetts. For this assault on public education will not end at the walls around minority communities.
But you are right, part of this question is about adults and how those children will spend the majority of their life. Their adult life as employees.
You assume that the National Civil Rights Organizations do not represent the views of the local organization . You are probably right again. It took a hell of a lot of grass roots pressure from the local level to overcome the corporate Oligarchical dollars thrown at the National Organization.
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John says:
“NYC parent,
Where there is demand, there should be more similar school or more seats, whether charter or district.”
John, I just explained to you how someone who doesn’t understand “demand” could claim that there were twice as many students on wait lists for public schools as there are students in public schools. As long as kids are free to apply to multiple schools there is a manufactured demand that isn’t real. It’s rather frightening that you have anything to do with education and not understand numbers at all. I’m guessing you are just dissembling and not just ignorant of what real demand is. Am I right?
Assuming your ignorance is the truth, I will try to explain it to you in a way you might understand if you know anything about college admissions these days.
Colleges now spend inordinate amounts of money to get students to apply to their school. They don’t care whether you want to come or whether you are qualified to come. They don’t even care about your application fee — the latest thing is that many colleges are now making it free to apply.
They just want your name on a list so they can claim the same kind of “demand” for their college that you think counts as demand. Mediocre college gets 5,000 applications and rejects all but the ones who promise to come. “We have 4,500 students on our wait list who “demanded” to come!”
It’s hard to believe you are in education and don’t know how colleges pretend a demand that isn’t there. And do you know how you know it? Because when push comes to shove, it turns out that person # 5,000 on the wait list gets an offer. Of course, no one talks about that because colleges are too busy touting how selective they are and how many students want them.
The best way to see how much “demand” a charter school really has is whether they ever go to their wait list. And let me tell you, charters go to their wait list over and over again. We both know it. And if they manage to fill their school over the summer without getting to student #500, no doubt there are just as many students #499 – 1,000 who would turn them down.
No college with a high “demand” has to go deep into their wait list to fill spots. Only the ones who learn that most of the kids who applied prefer almost any other school to theirs.
Newsflash! It works the same with charters, which is why even the ones claiming long wait lists end up having MORE students turn them down than they have spaces for. Say what? What kind of “In-demand” school has droves of students turning them down? One that isn’t really in demand at all. But one that spent inordinate amounts of money to get kids to sign up.
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“Following federal efforts to enforce Brown v. Bd. of Ed., Southern states devised a ‘private school plan ‘to defend segregation by leaving public schools and taking the money with them. Georgia Gov. Talmadge advanced a constitutional amendment that could have allowed the privatization of the state’s entire public school system. ‘In the event of court-ordered desegregation, school buildings would be closed, and students would receive grants to attend private segregated schools’ “. – Rachel Tabachnick, Public Eye and AlterNet (2012)
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I mentioned this in reply to something Peter Cunningham, another reformer who speaks for the wealthy but claims to speak for at-risk families (he didn’t reply):
If DFER and BAEO really cared about helping the most vulnerable at-risk students — as opposed to having charters cherry pick the strivers — they would simply try to establish “choice” schools within the system. There are plenty of models for them to follow, and some of them even have waivers of some union work rules. But NONE of them have waivers of public oversight, where only a far-away board whose interests are in promoting charters and not educating kids get to run a system in which bad behavior is rewarded as opposed to regulated.
DFER and BAEO don’t want to offer at-risk kids “choice”. They want to privatize education so their favorite charters can profit by picking off the cheapest to educate kids. The reason right wing billionaires love that is because the dishonesty undermines public schools and results in budget cuts because all that funding is “unnecessary”.
Let’s be clear. DFER doesn’t care about giving at-risk kids choice. That could be done without privatizing the system. They have a very different agenda and the only way to promote it is with the dishonest claims we keep seeing where attrition rates are invisible.
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And let’s be clear, “choice” in the form of charters was nothing but a bait-and switch, Because its the charters that do the choosing and once they restrict their cohorts, they then provide one of the most restrictive and controlling education programs ever devised. Ultra-narrowed, test-prep curriculum and a fascist like control of student behaviors. It was only a matter of time for adults of color to see through this scam. The “mouth bubble” picture speaks louder than words. This is akin to muzzling an animal.
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The billionaire faux reformers have been very, very careful in the kind of “choice” they want to allow in at-risk communities.
They offer low-income parents a “no excuses” charter where the child of your best friend might get suspended and treated like garbage, but if you look the other way, your well-behaved and high-performing child will get everything money can buy. Students who test well aren’t hounded for any small infraction — “black mark because your eyes left the teacher for 2 seconds”! “Go to that calm-down chair to be humiliated because you didn’t answer the question the way I decided it should be answered.” — but the students who help their scores are lauded and celebrated.
It presents a system that is easy to rationalize as long as your child is one of the lucky ones. Especially if your only other “choice” has been deprived of funding and now has a disproportionate number of lower achieving students as the better ones leave for that charter.
The reformers version of “choice” means their school can cherry pick whomever they want, and the public school must educate all who walk in the door. And if this was done within the system, there would be checks on how much those choice schools could cherry pick and how fast they can dump kids. Because the overall system remains responsible for the kids who are dumped.
But the pro-reformers insist on ONLY offering a choice outside the system because they do NOT want to be responsible for the kids they dump.
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Kids In Prison Programs (KIPP or any charter school) should be the main reason the NAACP and BLM should take a stand. Why should children of any color or race be treated as obedient slaves in a classroom. Why should children of any color or race be forced to swallow rote material for the sake of higher test scores. Why should children of any color or race be denied the right of free thinking and free speech in a classroom. Learning is about making mistakes and fixing them. Learning is about discussion and discourse and finding a common ground. There is none of this in charter schools.
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Yes. They are rejecting what is nothing more than a plantation model that demeans and restricts and keeps them in their place.
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Lisa Moore,
a) because you are misinformed about these schools and believe a caricature sold to you by critics
b) because every one of the 32,000 children in Massachusetts charter schools is there because they and their families chose them
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John
What do you say to the vast majority of parents who’s children have been left behind in already underfunded schools now stripped down even further by charter skimming? What do you say to those children? Would you dare suggest they all attend charters? Well of course not, that would spoil their secret sauce. Where would most charters be without the public school dumping ground?
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Rage,
I don’t know the numbers for Massachusetts, but in NY, charter schools take disproportionately more students than they do money.
I think all schools should be getting more money, but charter schools are not the reason urban traditional schools are struggling financially.
Happy to look at any data to the contrary.
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John also knows most of those parents would have been just as happy if that charter school became a “choice” school regulated by the same people who regulate public schools.
Or maybe he would argue that they would protest because they only wanted their kid to be in a school that could exclude the “bad” kids that they chose the charter to escape and unless the public system promises that they will allow the same “got to go lists” that charters use, they want to keep the system private so their kid doesn’t have to deal.
It’s hard to know because the bottom line is John is arguing to keep a system that is very financially rewarding for some people who are are not bothered in the least knowing that a 5 year old could be treated like garbage to get him out of charter school. Not bothered in the least. I can’t imagine what kind of person would not be bothered by that.
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Two things. This:
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2016/08/donald_trump_and_school_choice_focus.html?cmp=eml-enl-eu-news2-RM
and this:
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Okay, John and other charter cheerleaders, I think I get what you’re saying. Choice is good when it allows parents to choose a school. Choice is bad when it means those parents and the taxpayers funding the school get to vote to hold those running the school accountable.
If this isn’t what you mean, then please explain exactly where democratic choice comes into this.
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Kittens,
IMO, the choice of where to send your child is more important than the ability to vote for a school board, especially when local school boards still control the budgets. One has an immediate and profound effect. The other is unfortunately, largely ineffective.
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John, your comment was worthy of true fascist.
Democracy is “largely ineffective” so let’s get rid of it and let corporations profit from running our schools.
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According to John, it would have been perfectly fine for billionaires to thwart Mayor de Blasio’s plan for universal pre-k as long as they offered a “choice” to well-behaved, high performing students.
Who needs democracy? Not John. The people wanted universal pre-k, but billionaires know better. What’s value does democracy have compared to their ability to offer selected students a “choice”?
Somehow I suspect the fact that many students in Nazi Germany had a choice of schools didn’t exactly make the Jews there feel better about their treatment. Oddly, to John, choice uber alles.
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NYC public school parent,
Your posts are so tiresome. You pick your favorite issue (which pretty much is just about Success Academy), ascribe it to me (despite no evidence that I support such things), and then rant about John thinks this, John does this, etc., all without any basis in fact.
You also imply that I don’t fix every single issue with charters singlehandedly, I must be OK with them. When will you be coming up to fix the 50% dropout rate at my local traditional high school? By your logic, you must be OK with these tragic outcomes because they and you exist at the same time. How about the inherent funding gaps between urban and suburban schools in our largely property tax-funded traditional school systems? You must be good with that as well.
It’s all nonsense. If you want to say John, John, John in your posts, kindly stick to something I actually said or did. Otherwise, how about sticking to facts instead of personal attacks? I’m not your substitute for Eva.
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John,
If you told me my local public high school had a drop out rate of 50% and the kids dropping out were being pushed out by unethical administrators, I would be appalled. I would say “that is truly terrible and needs to be stopped”. I would say “those people are bad and need to stop.”
Here’s what I would not say: “Let’s ignore that because other high schools are okay.”
Here’s what I would not say: “We need to stop talking about that because I’m sure something is being done by the people who are in charge so it’s all okay”.
Here’s what I would not say: “This public school over here is a model for teaching ALL at-risk kids and having a wonderfully diverse population and that means that we should never criticize anything that any other public school does because it might hurt that public school”.
Notice you still haven’t offered any criticism of Eva Moskowitz or the fact that it is her charter schools that are growing at a rate 100x more than any small mom and pop one. When I post, I consider it a test for you. Will John actually criticize a charter that keeps getting caught out doing reprehensible things? Or will he simply give the same line that the charter itself does: It’s an anamoly”. “The SUNY Charter Institute is doing all the oversight necessary.” “Shut up, shut up, shut up”.
Turns out John spouts the exact same line that Success Academy does.
I don’t expect you to FIX every single issue. I expect you to criticize very bad and unethical behavior by charters when it hits you in the face.
The fact that you can’t or won’t is why no one trusts you, John. I have no need to dismiss bad behavior by public schools or ignore it or not say “that is wrong.”
Will you say “that is wrong” when it comes to the charter school that is expanding the fastest? If you won’t, then I suggest you are not only condoning that behavior, but trying desperately to make sure no one else mentions it by attacking them.
Will you criticize Success Academy? Or me? Reformers like you are the reason that kind of bad behavior continues. You could be speaking out and you don’t and it is obvious that you are afraid. Why?
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NYC public school parent,
I have criticized these things many times, but you ignore it because I won’t specifically criticize Eva’s schools, which I know very little about.
New York charter law does not allow schools to decide which particular students they admit, or to expel any student without going through the same process as traditional public schools.
Any charter that is not following the law should be called out on it, and if repetitive/systemic, should have their charter revoked.
SUNY is widely considered to be one of the best authorizers in the country. I (personally) have no reason to believe that SA is breaking the law and that SUNY is ignoring it. You obviously do, but it’s your case to make and I’m just not part of it, no matter how much you seem to enjoy the personal attacks rather than supporting your position objectively.
As an outsider, it appears to me that SA is doing a lot of things right. I’m glad people call them out on anything inappropriate, and I’m very curious to see how these complaints play out.
But, I also recognize that very powerful supporters of the status quo in public education *have* to rationalize SA’s results in some manner or admit that they themselves aren’t doing as good a job as they could be. That’s a powerful incentive for a lot of people to be less than objective when evaluating them. There are also an awful lot of parents who are very happy to be sending their children there.
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John@1:51pm
“SUNY is widely considered to be one of the best authorizers in the country.” No they aren’t. Unless by “best” you are comparing them to the “anything goes, please make yourself rich at the public trough” authorizers in states like Ohio. SUNY is better than Ohio.
In early 2012, pro-charter scholar Pedro Noguera resigned from the SUNY board that oversees charter schools. It happened immediately after a SUNY meeting that allowed 2 things to happen:
Success Academy was allowed to change the lottery preferences in an already-approved charter so that the school no longer had to give any priority in the lottery to at-risk students. And Success Academy was allowed to suddenly change the location of its most recently authorized charter school from the very high needs district where it was approved and instead open in what was arguably the best (and most affluent) school district in Brooklyn. These were significant changes from what was in the charter application that SUNY approved and both of those changes severely impacted the number of at-risk students that the approved charter school would serve. But no matter to SUNY – they approved the changes. And soon after, Mr. Noguera resigned.
By the way, that SA charter school whose preferences were changed – with SUNY’s approval — is the very one where the “model” teacher punished the at-risk child for the “crime” of not knowing the correct answer. And it happens that 2 out of every 3 students are not economically disadvantaged. And it happens that last year’s 3rd grade class lost 30% of their students before “acing” this year’s 4th grade state tests. None of which has sparked the least bit of curiosity from the SUNY oversight board you believe is the “best” in the country. If you are correct, I cannot imagine what the other authorizers are like.
Now the three Charter Institute trustees looking out for the interests of at-risk students are 3 white men. And a lot more Success Academy schools have been approved, without a single trustee ever questioning why the school would have suspension rates of over 20% (even in some schools where the oldest children were in 1st grade!). More Success Academy schools have been approved without a single trustee wondering “wow, I wonder why so many parents with the fewest good options would pull their kid from our very highest performing charter schools”.
My biggest problem with the reform movement — and its’ fatal flaw — is that they keep defining “good” as “gets high test scores”. And if that is your definition of “good”, then yes, SUNY is “good” at authorizing charter schools that get high test scores — and 34 of them are Success Academy schools. Without all the test scores of the Success Academy schools averaged in, the NY State charters that SUNY authorized aren’t eye-popping. SUNY wants the network to continue to achieve “99% passing rates” on state tests and has no incentive to ask any questions that normal people would ask who didn’t have an agenda.
Here is an example:
“Why did you need to give 20% of the Kindergarten and first graders at this charter out of school suspensions?”
“Why did you have empty seats in some of your schools when you were claiming wait lists of thousands of students?”
“Why did this school lose 30% or 40% of its class in just over a year?”
At a videotaped SUNY trustees meeting in 2014, the all-white trustees mentioned the evidence of empty seats that they had somehow overlooked but that an organization of public school parents had managed to find out. The executive director told the trustees she checked with Eva Moskowitz and was told it was due to a glitch. Case closed. Not one of those all-white trustees even mentioned a concern with so many young minority children getting out of school suspensions or why class sizes in older grades were so much smaller than in lower grades.
That isn’t oversight. That’s an organization that is incentivized not to look very closely at a charter school network whose extraordinarily high proficiency rates on state tests makes SUNY look “good” to people like John. Why would they want to look closely at the charter chain that makes them look the best? If there are any oddities, it is always an anomaly because SUNY’s oversight has been “we asked Eva Moskowitz and she told us it was so.”
And while it is remotely possible that the trustees at SUNY will put aside their self-interest and look closely at why so many at-risk Success Academy students are leaving after winning seats, your complete faith in them to do so is certainly not warranted by anything they have done in the past.
And until reformers like you stop defining “best” as “achieves the highest proficiency rates using whatever tactics they want to get rid of low-performing kids”, there will be absolutely no incentive for SUNY to do any oversight of high performing charters.
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Live your last paragraph, Diane. So true.
“Most significant in these developments is the fact that critics within the black community recognize that charter schools are a means of privatizing public education. The loss of public schools is a loss of democratic control and parent voice, and that does not bode well for communities of color, which already have trouble being heard by corporations and elites.”
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John is a one man army fighting to defeat Civil Rights! For the profit of white investors! Congratulations, John. You win the Racist of the Day Award. All I want for Christmas is your two front teeth.
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LeftCoastTeacher,
You don’t know anything about me, and it’s pretty ridiculous of you to call me a racist. I’ve spent the last 30 years volunteering in low income communities with predominantly African American families. Since you want to deny low income families of color from attending the schools they want for their children, while (I’m guessing) having no problem with well-off families choosing schools by deciding where to live, I think it is you who is trying to deny them the right to the same education your own children might get.
I just believe that low income families should have the same kind of school choice that higher income families exercise everyday, whereas you apparently think they should “take one for the team” and attend schools that you probably wouldn’t send your own children to in neighborhoods you’d probably opt not to live in.
Also, there are no for-profit charter schools in Massachusetts.
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John….here is a good perspective on charter schools by someone living in Washington State…home of the “Gates” billionaire, charter extraordinaire!
http://teachertomsblog.blogspot.com/2016/08/vacant-ruins-on-main-street.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TeacherTom+%28Teacher+Tom%29
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John,
You are helping see to it that most African American families have their community school resources and political attention hijacked and sucked dry by white investors. Theft. You are the worst, most dangerous kind of racist: the unwitting one. You do not deserve my respect. You will not get it. You do not get it. You are an enemy of working and struggling people, of the NAACP and Black Lives. Stop!
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And, racist, if you’ve been volunteering at charter schools for 30 years, you’re either 90-something years old or you are wealthy and don’t have to work. It appears YOU are the white investor profiting off the suffering of others with inequitable school funding and oversight. It figures.
Racist. Stop.
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Left Coast a Teacher,
Your comments are laughable, childish, and incorrect.
Maybe you should look up the definition of volunteer in the dictionary.
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Come on, piglet, give me a real argument, not an empty, meaningless return of name calling. I looked up ‘volunteer’ in my Oxford American. And? What are you saying? What’s your point? I’m not interested in playing your dilettante’s game of misdirection and slight of hand. I work for a living. I don’t have time for anything other than straightforward, verbal hand to hand. Prove to me you’re not the scum of the earth or be gone.
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Left Coast Teacher,
I think you’re mistaking this education forum for the Donald a Trump rallyl you meant to go to.
Diane, your forum for discussing better education for all has devolved into a place where someone with a different opinion on serving the children we all believe in is called the scum of the earth and where we get told that our true motives are segregation, etc.
Congratulations on creating Fox News for teachers. An echo chamber of conspiracy theories and personal attacks pretending to be a useful source of information. I used to find the opposing opinions enlightening, and there are a few sane voices left here, but hard to find in the worthless, misinformed drivel.
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John,
I am sorry if others were rude and uncivil to you. You have to understand the stress that teachers are under today as they see the cabal of billionaires who are working to destroy their profession, take away their job protections, and who constantly blame teachers for the poverty of their students. Having been subject daily to slander and insults, some occasionally blow off steam. And when you step in to echo the billionaires, you become the target.
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Here is John’s big lie:
“I just believe that low income families should have the same kind of school choice that higher income families exercise everyday..”
Nope. If John was telling the truth, he would be fighting against charter schools that had got to go lists and maltreated their low-performing students until they left. He would be fighting charters that suspended high numbers of 5 year olds again and again. He would sound like RiShawn Biddle and not like John, the defender of high suspension rates of African American 5 and 6 year olds in charter school.
I can recognize that RiShawn Biddle wants to give those kids choice. You want to profit by constantly defending charters right to give only the ones they choose a choice.
You are as honest as most charter operators and I don’t trust a word out of your mouth. It is posters like you who give them a bad name.
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John,
And yet, here you are. Again.
You’re right about the Trump and/or FoxNews tone. That was my intention. I grow tired, after decades of corporate charter school chains — with tons of open and dark money — deceiving the public into thinking education is improving with “choice”, of letting you advocacy advocates domineer the conversation, pretending to be philanthropists.
I was indeed playing the Trump card bully because you don’t seem open to any of the reasonable facts or arguments above. You never seem flexible in your thinking. I have to wonder why. $$$ So I was playing pundit. And yet, here you still are, taking over this excellent post about the NAACP and Black Lives Matter. It did not work. You just won’t
stop!
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Sorry, Diane. I know I went a little too far. You’re right. For public school teachers like me, it’s been an extremely frustrating and difficult century so far. I’m still a long way from recovery from working under John Deasy’s Broad boot. I’ll take the weekend off, go gaze at the Pacific Ocean, and breathe.
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LeftCoast,
I understand your rage. Think of the blog not only as my living room, but as a classroom. When a student is rude or unruly, how do you deal with him?
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It’s always unseemly, when the player, who has had all of the advantages that money can buy i.e. hedge fund and Silicon Valley clout, snivels about injustice.
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Diane, I understand. Henceforth I will treat your blog the way I treat my school and community. But unlike dealing with a relentless privatizer, when a student of mine becomes disruptive or destructive, I can make it stop. I can have parent conferences. I can have restorative justice meetings with counselors. I can ask for help. If absolutely necessary, administration and even police officers can step in.
I know what you meant is that I need to treat people in your virtual living room with respect, but it’s not going to always be easy because I can’t call Bill Gates’ parents and ask them to help me guide him toward being a better person. I can’t make it stop.
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LCT,
I have one advantage over you in this space. When people become too obnoxious, I put them into moderation, which means they don’t get to post until after I review their comment. When they are aggressively hostile, I block them.
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Linda,
Thank you truly for your support.
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I know, Diane. Come to think of it, and I regret not thinking of it sooner, in this space I at least have an advantage over my situation in class, where I must comport myself with patience and persistence beyond that of other professionals. If a John, a Tim, or a VirginiaSGP makes me feel unappreciated or worse, as if the world will soon end, I can walk away. Next time I will.
I appreciate your understanding and support. I always will, no matter what.
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No, LCT, don’t walk away. Count to 10, then respond.
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Diane Ravitch’s wish is my command.
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Why My Wife and I Are Opting Out Our Daughter From Third-Grade High-Stakes Testing
https://youtu.be/FHXFQb8c8f8
Transcript of the original text:
Good evening. My name is Andy Goldstein. I’m a teacher at Omni Middle School and the proud parent of an eight-year-old daughter who attends one of our public elementary schools.
It seems like it was just yesterday when my daughter entered kindergarten. At that time, I talked about her at our August School Board meeting in 2013.
I said that my hopes and dreams for my daughter were that she would develop a lifelong love for learning that would serve her well as she learned to construct a life that would serve her and serve others as well.
I told this board that my wife and I were not particularly interested in having her be seen as a data point for others to make money from.
Now, three short years later, which seem to have gone by in the blink of an eye, she is entering third grade.
Tonight, I’m speaking as a parent, who also is a teacher.
In Florida, third grade is the beginning of high-stakes, standardized testing for our children.
What are the high-stakes?
• Our children, on the basis of one test, will receive a number, a 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5, which, will serve to define them.
Some students, may do well learning throughout the year, but do not test well and may receive a 1, a one being the lowest possible score.
Some may come from disadvantaged backgrounds and will receive a 1.
Some may be special needs students, who receive a 1.
These numbers work to define our students as to whom they are. “I’m a one. I’m a Failure.”
This high-stakes testing policy, mandated by state law, works to stigmatize our students and they grow up with a limiting self-concept of who they are and what they are capable of doing and becoming.
• On the basis of this one high-stakes test, some schools—those comprised of the poorest students, who need the most help—are labeled with an “F.” Failures. This stigmatizes these schools, whose faculty and staff may be working hard to meet the high needs of the surrounding neighborhood they serve. It also serves to increase the segregation at these already segregated schools. What parents, given the means to choose what community they will move into, will choose a neighborhood with a school labeled “F.”
• There is a lot of money being made on the part of testing companies, publishers, and vendors, based on this annual imposition of this high-stakes testing.
• This high-stakes testing is part of a corporate agenda, an agenda by the rich and powerful to demonize our public schools and privatize them through the rise of publicly funded, privately managed schools called charters. Our state legislature, bought and paid for by corporate interests, is cheating our children by defunding our public schools.
• “That’s the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don’t work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital,” says Noam Chomsky, an MIT professor.
• Our third graders are still babies, really. Do they really need the pressures of this high-stakes testing? Recently, I read one account from a parent recounting the experience of her son when he was a third grader taking the FCAT. He was a good kid. He worked all year to learn. But he missed passing the FCAT by one point. He went to summer school to do more work and took it again. And again, he missed passing the test by one point. His mother was afraid to tell him, but he could tell by her reaction that he had not passed. He was crushed by the sense of failure. His mother, working on making dinner in the kitchen, called him to come down to eat. He did not respond. She had a premonition that something was the matter. She rushed up to his bedroom and found him hanging by a bedsheet. She got him down.
• Is there anyone who thinks this high-stakes testing is worth such a price?
• As a parent, I can answer with a resounding NO!
• My wife and I believe that our public schools should work to develop the whole, creative child in all of our schools, and in all of our communities of all colors and all socio-economic backgrounds.
• For these reasons, I’m announcing to you, our school board, that my wife and I do not support high-stakes testing in Florida, and will be opting out our daughter. Evidence for her learning will be through a portfolio.
• Thank you.
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The NAACP is rightly concerned about charter schools which are the principle strategy of the so-called “education reform” movement. The “reform” movement has always had as its principle — though unstated — objective a return to racial segregation of America’s schools. The fact that billionaires and hedge funds could pocket tens of millions of dollars from this new kind of segregation was just a bonus for many. The first calls for “reform” in the form of vouchers arose immediately after the 1954 Supreme Court ruling on Brown v. Board of Education in which the Court declared that separate but equal was inherently unequal and ordered racial integration of the public schools. That ruling triggered “white flight” from public schools to private schools — but parents quickly realized that the tuition cost of private schools was more than they wanted to pay out-of-pocket. That realization led political and private resegregationists to the concoct the “reform” of vouchers, and to sell it to eager parents by deceptively marketing it then (and now) as merely giving parents free “choice.”
But the 1950’s voucher reform faded away when it became clear that because of school attendance boundaries no more than a few token blacks would be attending formerly all-white public schools. In 1972 when the Supreme Court finally ordered busing to end the ongoing de facto segregation, the reform movement rose from its grave and has been alive ever since then trying new tactics to restore racial segregation because it’s unlikely that the Court’s racial integration order can ever be reversed. When it became clear in the 1980’s that vouchers would never become widespread, the segregationists tried many other routes to restore racial segregation, and the most successful has been charter schools because charter schools can be sold to blithely unaware do-gooder billionaires as well as to unscrupulous profiteers who recognized charter schools as a way to divert vast amounts of tax money into their own pockets and into the pockets of supportive politicians at every level of government.
An essential part of the strategy to mask their underlying motives has been for segregationists to sell the public on the necessity for charter schools because public schools are allegedly “failing.” With all manner of “research” that essentially compares apples to oranges against foreign nations’ students, and with the self-fulfilling prophecy of dismal public school performance generated by drastic underfunding of public schools, and with condemnation of public school teachers based on statistically invalid student test scores, the segregationists are succeeding in resegregating education in America via what are basically private charter schools that are funded with public money.
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For whoever is operating the scoreboard: John has been called a racist, a fascist, “scum,” and “piglet” on this thread. Maybe we should dial it down to 9 or 8.
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Did it provoke self-reflection? (How does one dial down “piglet”?)
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No, it provoked me to wonder “What on Earth is the matter with people?” (Hm, although now that you mention it, what on Earth is the matter with me?)
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FLERP! – DIY fixing is possible.
Add, “unseemly sniveling” to John’s descriptors. (Comment added above.)
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Fix-it kits, in the DIY aisle.
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Since you really want to keep score, FLERP!, how about keeping score on both sides:
John has said that the highest priority of the DOE should be to establish more Frances Lewis High Schools because their “demand” is the highest. It’s reasonable and fair and in no way misleading for the people who like Frances Lewis High School to demand that 20 other high schools be closed in order to accommodate the 8,000 students who need to be at new “Frances Lewis High Schools” set up in places where there were previously charter schools that have called out of district parents at the very bottom of their wait lists who want a spot. (That just happened to someone I know so obviously no matter how many hundreds or thousands of parents signed up for that charter, come late summer they are still calling the very bottom of the wait list to fill a class.) John’s claim that this is reasonable evidence of a huge demand by parents for Frances Lewis High School defies belief. It is wrong to call out that lie? Or are you saying that you are certain John is being entirely truthful when he keeps posting “more Frances Lewis High Schools – you’ve made a brilliant case for why we need more.”
And don’t lie yourself. I didn’t say “John, you are a fascist”. I said “John, your comment was worthy of true fascist.”
That’s because he posted that democracy is “largely ineffective” so it is less important to have democracy than to make the trains run on time. Or give parents a choice of corporate approved schools.
As John says: “the choice of where to send your child is MORE IMPORTANT than the ability to vote for a school board, especially when local school boards still control the budgets. One has an immediate and profound effect. The other is unfortunately, largely ineffective.”
Democracy is “largely ineffective”. I agree — that’s why everyone always explained that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Arguing that is a reason that it is more important to have efficient trains than democracy is a belief worthy of a true fascist.
John isn’t a fascist and I never called him one. However he certainly posted a sentence that fascists could get behind. Choice is more important than democracy because democracy is largely ineffective.
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Call me Il Duce, but the limited ability I have to affect where my children go to school is certainly more important to me than voting in my local school board election.
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FLERP,
As would any parent.
It’s just hypocrisy to choose where to live based on schools and then at the same time, try to deny any choice to those who can’t afford that.
Besides, school boards are not paragons of democracy. They are elected by pathetically small percentages of eligible voters and are largely powerless to have much impact on the schools they are responsible for.
The “privatization” meme is tripe anyway. Is your local public library “corporate privatization” because it doesn’t have a democratically elected board?
I too think the “vote” that a family makes by deciding which school to send their most precious asset is a heck of a lot more democratic than zoned schools with a monopoly on education and their sense of entitlement to both students and money, regardless of whether parents want to send their children there or not.
If your litmus test for what makes a school good or bad is governance, you have little regard for children or the mission of public education.
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We don’t have local school board elections. We have a Mayoral election. And – something very unusual – we have a Mayor who made it clear before the election that his priority was to limit the expansion of high suspending, high attrition, charter school networks with got to go lists and “model” teachers who punish and humiliate perfectly behaved low-income minority children who don’t come up with the answer the teacher demands right away.
And we even had a huge rally – no expense spared – by that very same charter school attended by that Mayor’s opponent. A pre-election rally so that voters clearly understood that the folks who wanted to expand those kinds of charters that the Mayor didn’t like should be voting for his opponent so they could prevent this from happening.
And the Mayor still won by the largest margin in many decades. A margin twice as large as Bloomberg’s. Voters got a clear choice and they voted for the Mayor that wanted to limit charter schools and made that a centerpiece of his campaign. He didn’t sneak that policy in the middle of the night. Did you bother to vote in that election to express your preference? Hopefully you voted against de Blasio.
Of course, if you are a billionaire and don’t get your way, you don’t wait for the next election — you throw a hissy fit and buy yourself some politicians who will thwart the desire of the voters. No doubt John approves because who needs democracy anyway?
In my idealized and naive view — so very different than John’s — I could have imagined the Mayor actually controlled what charter schools did and was not forced to direct scarce resources to rent space for a charter school with tens of millions of dollars in the bank. We would have had 4 years of the kind of Mayoral control that Bloomberg got and then seen if the voters liked it or not.
We had 12 years of Bloomberg. I didn’t like it, but I didn’t think I could buy my way to subvert democracy to prevent him from opening charter schools. He was charter friendly, and he would have opened them no matter what, so why did a charter school chain need to treat underperforming kids like trash to get them out of their school and pretend a “success” that wasn’t there?
We haven’t tried Mayor de Blasio’s way because we had billionaires who made sure that a disproportionate share of resources were directed toward the charters that needed them least. Every penny out of the budgets of public schools. And if he loses the next election to a candidate who says “I want to make sure that every charter school should be allowed to suspend– no doubt you and John and Tim will vote for someone like Trump if he promised to allow charter schools to continue their suspensions and got to go lists with no oversight.
Actually, I take it back. There was one of Mayor de Blasio’s initiatives that Eva Moskowitz was not able to thwart and believe me, she tried her very hardest to thwart it. It’s called Universal pre-k. And if you think the fact that de Blasio wasted political capital and time and effort and money on such a terrible, terrible thing, you should definitely make sure to vote for a Mayor who will promise to end the program right away.
Or, if you are John, just forget about voting and let the billionaires offer us the “choice” they deem our children worthy of having.
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That’s true, we don’t have local school board elections in NYC. So it turns out there’s nothing unreasonable about the assertion that it’s worthy of fascism to say that parents’ ability to determine where their children go to school is less important than voting in a local school board election. I’ll update the scoreboard for you.
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Only a deceitful person would label the difference, between public and private entities, “tripe”. (1) Ohio allocated $20,000,000, of taxpayer money for charter school improvements. The Ohio Supreme Court’s ruling that charter assets belong to the private operator, means that taxpayers have no recourse to recoup the assets nor the dollars.
(2) The expenses of public entities are available for review. There are many protections in place for the public’s money, e.g. prohibition of conflicts of interest. Charter schools, as private entities, can self deal on contracts, to the detriment of local community businesses. There are many more differences, about which John is well aware.
Monopoly public libraries are effective and efficient. Should the public library cease to exist because Wall Street wants to rake in 10-18% return on the debt of the competitors, that it creates (while making sure that Silicon Valley gets a hefty cut of operating expenses at the taxpayers’ expense), I would call the schemer, behind the plot, and his defender, “sleaze”. It would be heinous if they bought politicians to achieve the ripoff. Communities need the economic multiplier effect of local dollars spent locally, to survive. Duplication of services is an unnecessary expense, which many governors, like Ohio’s, describe as wasteful, while hypocritically, taking money from privatizers, for school duplication.
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Linda,
I don’t think there should be any for-profit charter schools. Neither NY or Massachusetts has them. Ohio seems to be a charter disaster, as does Florida. There are certainly politicians who seem to support them regardless of the quality of the authorizers or schools, which I think is wrong.
The vast majority of people involved in charters have no privatization motive. This mischaracterization is what I was referring to as tripe. There are some charter supporters who are definitely anti-union and pro-privatization, but most people involved in the charter movement are not in it for any purpose other than providing education options for kids.
BTW, only 13% of charter schools in the country are for-profit. It should be zero, but it’s a pretty small minority.
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John,
I disagree. The Walton Family Foundation is not spending $200 million a year “for the kids.” Their goal is to eliminate teachers’ unions and to turn education into a free market. Walton has subsidized 1 of every 4 charters in the nation.
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Diane,
I don’t doubt that decreasing the power of unions is part of the WFF agenda. Perhaps you think that charters shouldn’t take their startup grants? How much philanthropy do traditional schools turn down?
As I’m sure you’ve read, conservatives are feeling pretty unwelcome in charter circles these days. Their motivation to support choice and competition is still useful to low income parents, though I personally much prefer working with people who view their mission as serving low income families. That’s the reason I don’t care to support charter schools in affluent areas.
Luckily, a growing number of democrats and dem politicians are recognizing that needs of teachers and their union are not always aligned with the needs of public school students, and the influence there has lessened. It simply isn’t progressive to support the notion that where you live determines the quality of your school or that people in poor quality schools need to stay in them to protect democracy while those who can move out.
IMO, politics *always* makes a mess of education. No idea, even if excellent, gets implemented well when legislated. Also IMO, most of this comes from the dysfunctional management/labor relationship that seems to be unique to US unions. Instead of the cooperation found in many European countries, we have a fight, fought out with the lousy instruments of crappy legislation and implementation, overly prescriptive work rules, etc.
For anyone who hasn’t read them, these are definitely worth your time:
https://edexcellence.net/articles/the-lefts-drive-to-push-conservatives-out-of-education-reform
https://www.the74million.org/article/bradford-social-justice-education-reform-and-how-this-whole-left-right-feud-is-missing-the-point
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John,
I am confused by your comment. First, you say that conservatives are feeling unwelcome in charter circles these days, but I have seen no evidence that this is so. Then, you recommend two articles from conservative websites.
The Walton Family Foundation is one of the most rabidly right wing, anti-worker, anti-union foundations in the nation. I would be embarrassed to accept a grant from them.
John, I don’t insult you, and I appreciate your civil tone. But you insult my intelligence by saying that right wingers are unwelcome in the charter world. With only a few exceptions, the charter world is owned by conservatives. Start with Trump, then name every Republican governor, throw in the zealously right wing ALEC, they all love charters.
Democrats are conflicted. The Dems who are pro-charter collect large contributions from hedge fund managers. Cuomo and Malloy come to mind.
We will never have good schools in every zip code by ruining our public schools.
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Diane,
Where I differ with you is that you say that “the charter world is owned by conservatives”. My experience is that there are very few conservatives working in or running charter schools. Yes, conservatives like them because they like the “choice” aspect and/or because they are anti-union, but my experience is that they have no control over charters.
I know a lot of charter leaders who have received Walton money, and not one has ever been told to do or not do something by anyone from Walton. In fact, many have never even met anyone from Walton except maybe at a conference or something.
Yes, I posted the link to Pondiscio because he points out that the right is feeling less welcome in ed reform circles, and I see that happening. We need the financial support of the right because the left is way too influenced by the union and union money. Only recently has that support been waning as more dems are listening to their parent constituents who are very happy with their charter schools. As you’ve lamented before, there are quite a few prominent dems who support charter schools as well.
I also included the other article because I agree with what DB said. While my personal interest is only in options for low income families, the interests of those who are in it for choice reasons overlap mine even if they’re not the same.
You, and many others, have done a very effective job of portraying charter schools as a privatization movement, but my experience has been that that is not what is motivating the vast majority of people who are part of it even if it does motivate some of their financial supporters.
How does it feel to have Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, and Scott Walker on your side of the Common Core debate?
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John,
Without money from the right wingers and billionaires, and intellectual firepower of conservative think tanks, and the political heft of anti-government ALEC, there would be no charter movement.
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Diane,
For the most part, I think that’s true, but they also would not exist without parents choosing to send their children there. Philanthropy can help a school start, but it can’t stay open with students and families who want their children to go there.
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No, John, charter schools flourish with marketing and propaganda.
If parents knew that the charter that just opened is run by a non-educator, that it’s teachers are uncertified, and that it would have worse scores than their own public school, how many would choose it?
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Diane,
Not sure what you base your opinion on. How do you reconcile your contention that only the most motivated and caring parents pick charters (the self-selection argument) with your statement that they flourish because of marketing and propaganda?
Also, most charters that I know of are in fact run by educators, and most of the teachers in them are certified. As I’m sure you know, almost all teachers in a charter have to be “highly qualified” under NCLB.
Charter parents have made the choice to be in the school they’re in. I guess you have to rationalize this away in some manner, so you assume they must be duped, instead of understanding that they made a choice and chose a charter.
Most charter parents have experienced both their local traditional public school and the charter and made an informed choice. The percentage of students who leave traditional schools for charters is much higher than the percentage who leave charters to go to traditional schools.
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John says something that isn’t true, but it’s close:
“most people involved in the charter movement are not in it for any purpose other than providing education options for kids”
To make it true, he would have to say the following:
“most people involved in the charter movement are not in it for any purpose other than providing education options for SOME kids”
That is the difference between public systems and private systems and why charter schools, regardless of whether they are for profit or not, are not accurately compared to public libraries.
Charters are there to serve the students they choose to serve and if they can figure out a way to get one to leave, their responsibility ends. Forever. Getting rid of expensive and hard to teach kids isn’t a bug of charter schools. They are incentivized to do so as long as no one cares. And in most states, no one cares. Quite the opposite – in NY State the oversight board rewards charters that do so because it keeps passing rates high. The oversight board’s responsibility to the students who leave is nil — out of sight, out of mind. Nada. Zilch.
So most people involved in the charter movement are not in it for any purpose other than providing education options for SOME kids. Not for all kids. For some of them and no one better tell them they can’t treat those kids any way they want to get them out of their school.
Public libraries have to serve all people who live the community. There aren’t “competing” public libraries where one is allowed to serve the families who don’t check out many books or bother the librarians with pesky questions and if a patron like that accidentally comes in, the charter library can send them out to the public library that has to serve every patron.
If you support charters like John, I assume he also thinks we need to take money from public library budgets to allow private charter libraries to offer their services to patrons who won’t cost them much money. No doubt after being subsidized by billionaires who hate public libraries, those charter libraries can recruit (free coffee if you sign up) a good number of ‘patrons’ and drum out the ones who turn out not to be the kind they want to serve.
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And, charters hire the firms of family members to do the advertising. (Plunderbund) The taxpayer, with the intent of funding kids’ educations, enriches charter operators, and their friends and family.
The charter movement’s dismissal of evidence, is the political corruption of, “It’s who you know, not what you know.”
Georgia Governor Talmadge is smiling from his grave.
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FLERP! sometimes I can’t tell if you post things to be snide or post them because you believe in them.
Public school systems have an obligation to every single school aged child who lives within its borders. There is absolutely no legal way for them to absolve themselves of that obligation. Even if they characterize that child as violent or special needs, they still have the obligation to pay for the most expensive private school or a private tutor to teach that child.
Charter school systems have an obligation only to the students whose parents know enough to enter them in the lottery and win a spot. But even then, their obligation is not to ALL of those children. If one of those children turn out to cost too much money, they simply send him back to the public school system. And maybe replace him with a student who is much cheaper.
It would be a very different world if charter schools were responsible for each child who entered their system. They aren’t.
You seem to know a bit about economics so it astonishes me that you don’t understand the difference between the two systems and what kind of behavior is incentivized by having one system where expensive or just “not good enough” kids are off their books if a charter can convince them to leave.
That’s a feature of charters, not a bug. That’s why ethical people support choice schools — like Central Park East or Brooklyn New School — that take students by lottery but still are part of the system. Demanding a school that works outside that system certainly benefits the kids who are wanted by that school — but they greatly harm the ones who are not wanted by that school.
And the sad part is that there are people who seem to actually believe that the only way to help those students is to have the children that we saw in that Success Academy video pay the price for their so-called “superior” education. It’s just not true. I support people who want “choice”, but not people who demand “choice schools” that are incentivized to rid themselves of low-performing students because it keeps them out of their system.
When people demand privately run charters where the ones getting the most money are the same ones doing the worst damage to unwanted kids, then something is very wrong. And those people aren’t in it for the kids — they are in it for themselves. The fact that they can justify their self-interest because some kids — the ones they find acceptable — benefit, is pretty despicable. In my opinion, obviously you disagree.
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NYC parent,
See, that was a cohesive argument that didn’t include any personal attacks. I think that’s more effective to making your case.
If SA is working to convince parents to leave for any reason, I’m 100% against that.
But, I’m not against holding the line on behavior in the classroom so that the majority of students in that class can get an effective education. Low income parents should not be forced to have their children in disorderly classrooms because they can’t afford to move to the suburbs, where parents would never put up with such things and have the clout to do something about it.
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My point is simply that your assertion that John’s statement was fascist is an extreme overstatement at best. It’s not a complicated point.
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“…..the suburbs, where parents would never put up with such things and have the clout to do something about it….”
Say what? Parents in suburbs have the “clout” to get a disruptive child off their school system’s books so they have more money to spend on the “good” kids”? That is untrue.
Or they have the “clout” to force the school system to take $100,000 out of their own children’s school budget to pay for a special private school for disruptive students? If there are 10 disruptive students, those parents want $1 million taken out of their own school’s budget and given to the private school’s? Is that what you believe?
You didn’t finish your thought. What do the parents in suburbs have the “clout” to do?
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I didn’t notice Flerps’ comment until just now. I admit the piglet line was over the top. (I was actually trying to be cute, and it came off wrong.) But you have to admit, when you wind up disagreeing with the platform put forth by the Movement for Black Lives, you have to look in the mirror and wonder: racist? If you’ve been calling yourself the Civil Rights Movement of the 21st Century and then, the actual Civil Rights Movement as aligned with the NAACP questions your motives, it’s time to reevaluate yourself. Racism has to part of the analysis.
Yesterday I read a powerful essay about the Black Lives platform by Rabbi Sharon Brous in the Jewish Journal. The platform excoriates Israeli treatment of Palestinians as genocide. Rabbi Brous calls on American Jews to accept the charges and help bring an end to the Occupation, in addition to helping end racial injustice at home, “even when it’s uncomfortable, painful and potentially alienating.”
In that spirit that I call on privatization supporters to peer into their souls and question themselves. As a Jew, I am willing to accept the word Occupation in discussion of Israel. It is my responsibility to seek social justice. As an educator, I must be willing to admit the word Racist into discussion of charter schools. As Brous wrote, “It is only by stepping purposefully into the conversation… and being willing to hear even what hurts that we will learn anything.”
Supporting school privatization is supporting segregation. Supporting No Excuses discipline is supporting prejudicial mistreatment of minorities. So, so be it, supporting charter schools is racist. It’s time to change, John.
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There are a few debatable points in your comment, but your comment is thoughtful, so thanks for it. I’m a big believer in looking in the mirror. We should challenge every assertion and assumption–not just other people’s, but our own, too. We should strive to do this constantly, in real-time, as second nature. That’s my view, at least.
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LeftCoastTeacher,
“supporting charter schools is racist”
Because so says the white woman teacher? I hope you’re kidding. I hope you realize that CBLM and NAACP are not even saying what you’re saying.
Perhaps you’d care to explain that to the 98% students of color that are in my school by choice that their school (and they as supporters of it) are racist? Will you explain to them why forcing them back into the failing neighborhood schools is good for them and the non-racist thing to do? Ludicrous. For these parents, racial justice includes their charter school. It includes them having a similar choice about where their children go to school as high income families make every day by deciding where to live.
There are some grains of truth in the CBLM and NAACP statements. I don’t think charters should be forced on people as the only option, just as I don’t think traditional public schools should be. There are some places in the country where this is happening, and I think they have a legitimate complaint there. But, the vast majority of charters are schools of choice, and offering that choice to low income families is the opposite of racist.
Also, have you read the Urban CREDO study, KIPP Mathematica study, or MIT Boston Charter School study? They show significant and sustained positive results that are “especially strong for students who are minority and in poverty.” Anyone truly interested in outcomes for low income students would look at these successes and try to replicate them, not look at failures as rationalizations.
http://urbancharters.stanford.edu/
http://www.kipp.org/results/mathematica-study
http://seii.mit.edu/research/study/how-effective-are-boston-charter-and-pilot-schools/
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Higher test scores are not a good argument for supporting privately managed charter schools.
Higher test scores can be generated by excluding kids who might get low scores and kicking out those who do get low scores.
Also: cheating.
Also: intensive test prep that has no effect on life outcomes but makes the charter operator look good.
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FLERP!,
Many of John’s comments are “an extreme overstatement at best” and yet your criticism is reserved for people who respond to John’s “extreme overstatement” and never for John.
For example, John stated above that “the suburbs, where parents would never put up with such things and have the clout to do something about it.”
According to John, suburban parents have the clout to do what Success Academy does in their school. In the suburbs, due to suburban parents’ “clout”, children who don’t “behave in the classroom” must leave the school and the cost of their education is no longer the responsibility of the suburban public school system – just like at Success Academy! That’s John’s “excuse” for not getting riled up about a charter school doing it — because parents in the suburbs “have the clout to do something about it” just like Success Academy administrators do. If any child in a suburban parent’s kid’s classroom is too bothersome, suburban parents just use their clout to send him out the door and are delighted the school doesn’t have any further financial or educational responsibility for him – just like Success Academy administrators do! John insists that is true.
That kind of “extreme overstatement” isn’t worth attacking, but if people respond, that’s when you feel you should tell them to tone it down?
Got it.
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John,
First of all, I’m a dude. Second, the position of Black Lives is that the minority of minorities in charter schools is draining resources from the majority of minorities in public schools. Separate and therefore unequal. Third, NYC public school parent is right, parents in the suburbs have not more clout to force no excuses discipline on their schools — I don’t think they would even if they could — but more money. They have the ability to provide healthier food, better shelter, better libraries, safety, better role models, etc. for their children. They have better jobs. They have jobs. Eliminating teachers’ job protections and focusing on test prep doesn’t change those conditions of centuries old inequality. Fourth, did you just cite Stanford’s CREDO to me? That study showed (as if test scores show anything) that charter school gains are minimal at best, and limited to a fraction of charter schools. Charter school students do not go on to escape poverty in greater numbers than public school students. So finally, yes, I stand by my original charge that taking from the majority of black children to give to a minority of black children who are willing to submit themselves to harsh punishment and meaningless test prep is harmful to black people, and so is a racist crusade. You need to recant.
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LeftCoastTeacher,
Where do you stand on property taxes as the means for funding education and the chronic underfunding of urban schools? Is it OK for well-off, predominantly white folks to flee the city for better education while leaving those who can’t afford it no choice?
And, I’ll ask again, what would you say to the students and parents in my school? Sorry, you need to go back to the school you came from because it’s racist to give you a choice of schools? This isn’t a theoretical issue.
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John,
Choice is great within the public school system. No schools run by hedge fund managers. Let Gates and Broad and Walton fund public schools, not no-excuses boot camps run by amateurs.
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FLERP, thank you. Back at you.
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John,
Among other ridiculous California laws borne of ballot propositions, we have Prop 13, which severely limits the collection of property taxes. It hasn’t provided any relief to poor people, and it hasn’t caused Microsoft to set up office and start hiring in Watts or Oakland. We try to provide extra funding for struggling neighborhoods, but then Eli Broad’s friends step in to take a cut of the funds through charter schools. I don’t have a solution for white flight, but I know school “choice” is a tacit acceptance of white flight instead of a willingness to face the problem and use taxes to help create wealth in the city.
Which brings us to your question of what to do with charter schools. Shut them down? In some cases that might be necessary. El Camino, for example. But in most cases, it would probably be best to keep them open and turn them over to public school districts, transparent and regulated.
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Come to think of it, when it comes to changing the conditions of life in the city, the Movement for Black Lives has some solid ideas. I have it bookmarked. I’m going to go back and reread the platform after I finish planning the details of my lessons for the week ahead.
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Thank you for your comments, LeftCoastTeacher.
They made me realize again what it so wrong with reformers like John who promote private charters.
His response to you was “I don’t think charters should be forced on people as the only option” — as if somehow that made it okay. In fact, it’s part of what’s corrupt about the system because that is what allows them to skim the students whom they want to teach. It does absolutely nothing for the remainder of the students, who are unwanted except by the for-profit charters who can take their money and run (or walk away with millions after their school closes for low performance).
John asks whether we care about the poor kids who will be harmed if his charter closes. They will be sent back to that terrible school where John doesn’t have an ounce of sympathy for the kids who are there now. It doesn’t occur to him that good reform would address the issues of ALL students, not just the ones that allow reformers to crow “success”. The students in the public school are invisible, and no doubt they are far more economically deprived as a group than the kids in John’s charter.
For people who believe in public schools and want to help the students in them, they are interested in means to help ALL the students in them. That’s what Mayor de Blasio has said countless times and why the reformers attack him. He isn’t interested in charters – he is interested in reforms to address the needs of all children within the system and not in promoting dishonest charters demanding disproportionate resources while they “free ride” on every bureaucratic expense that allows them to weed out the students who hurts their bottom line and their donations.
John expressed it best. How dare the selected kids in charters be in that terrible school. As if that “terrible school” were not filled with tons of students whom John doesn’t care about at all. And charters don’t want to teach most of them which is why they insist on being run without any oversight whatsoever. And please don’t pretend that oversight by an agency whose goal is to promote charter schools is real oversight — we have already seen that they have had 10 years to ask questions about where disappearing kids from charter schools go and haven’t expressed even a single ounce of curiosity. After all, like John, once those kids are in failing public schools, they are invisible.
Choice can be done within the system and the reformers could have fought for that if they believed only in choice. They believe in choice where the people who run “choice’ schools are overseen by a system that only has an obligation to itself. And the oversight is ONLY what will make them look good — not to the children. That is the reformers’ fatal flaw. They don’t care about the kids as much as they care about making their schools look good. What it comes to keeping difficult students or getting them off your books, the incentives for private charters are very, very clear. I don’t know why John thinks charters underwritten by billionaires who believe in the free market would suddenly change their spots. Running a “good” charter means getting rid of problem kids. The more problem kids you get rid of, the better your charter is. John can’t actually argue with that truism — he can only claim that there is some oversight to prevent charters from getting rid of problem kids and he utterly puts his faith in 3 white men at SUNY to be the sole oversight of 10,000 or 20,000 students, many of whom are low-income minorities.
It seems so obvious to me how corrupting such a system is, which is why I sometimes get a bit upset that people can possibly defend it. The only defense is that “some” kids are helped. To pro-charter folks, I ask you: Why is the only way to help some kids to harm others? Why is the only way to help to lie about who you want to teach and pretend you teach all students as a way to direct funding out of public schools and into charters? It isn’t. The only people being helped are people like John and the ones getting very high salaries to run and promote charters.
I read a comment by a pro-charter leader in the NY Times today that was very telling. He compared public schools to police forces and said should we just say that everything is okay when police forces are wrong. As if that was a justification for charters. Yes, the most celebrated leaders of the charter school movement believe that if only we started “charter” police forces in every city that would be a far better solution than trying to reform the police forces that exist. Those are the people given billions to teach children. Because they think that police reform will never come by regulations, but by having an unregulated charter police force getting funding from the city instead of the “public” one. Unbelievable that this is what reformers believe.
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Thank you back, NYC parent. Actually, based on his last comment, I think there’s hope for John. I think he honestly just wants to help the people at his school. If he sees the light, he’s now in a very difficult situation. What do you tell charter school parents and students if you believe they’re hurting themselves and others?I almost feel sympathy for him. I do. I do feel sympathetic if he is in fact looking in the mirror.
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I think there’s hope for me too. I messed up, let’s face it. But then I “counted to 10” and redeemed myself. This is the right blog for redemption. Diane is the very model of it. And a friend.
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“What do you tell charter school parents and students if you believe they’re hurting themselves and others?”
How about this: It turns out that the experiment in having the only oversight of tens of thousands of students in charters being outsourced to 3 white men at a charter promoting institute (SUNY) isn’t working. Some — not all — charters were taking advantage of it. So from now on oversight at our charter will be done by the same people who oversee the public school in this community. This school will continue to be a choice school, but one run under the larger system. Now it might turn out that if we were getting disproportionately high funding because our schools didn’t pay for the cost of running the larger system, we might get less and have to make do with the same funding that public schools have. But other than that, there should be no change, unless we were doing something untoward which will have to stop.
I suspect most parents would not have a problem with that. Most parents just want good schools and some communities outsourced the job of educating selected well-behaved and more academically inclined students to private entities. Whenever there are magnet schools with lottery admissions policies similar to charters, they have the same long wait lists. The only difference is oversight and being run by people who aren’t interested in promoting their own careers and pocketbooks by pretending they have come up with a miracle solution to failing schools.
Of course there is a larger public policy issue to address. If we have unlimited charter-like magnet schools who can weed out undesirable students, there will always be the kids who are toughest and most expensive to teach. Is it a good idea to concentrate them in 1/4 or 1/3 of the schools? What is the best way to address their needs? Or do we just do as the pro-charter folks are basically doing and say “let them rot”, there’s no point in wasting money on them? I can think of some experiments that could work, but we will never have those kinds of conversations as long as private charters promote the myth that they have an inexpensive special sauce to turn any child into a scholar as long as they are in their charter. All the while insisting the only oversight must be people who allow them to remove from the school any child who can’t be turned into a scholar. It’s inane! And shuts down discussion because why have it when they have presented the perfect solution.
We need to have those discussions but we won’t if the privatization industry isn’t honest about what charter schools are doing and how the ones with the so-called “best” results are run.
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In 2014, Florida ranked, third and, Ohio ranked, 7th, in population. Their charter experiences aren’t anomalies, as John suggested. They are harbingers. The citizens of all states, including New York, are just as vulnerable, to ruinous charter schools, as Fla. and Ohio have been. Politicians willing to do the bidding of the deep pocketed (aided by gerrymandering), can make it happen, at any time, using the ballot box. The bogus union argument, pasted onto privatization, is a ploy. The lack of union clout in influencing the Aspen Institute, which brags about its success in federal policy implementation and, the unions’ lack of success in local elections, despite the built-in advantage of members, is proof.
John may get what he wishes for and then, be surprised at the outcome- on-line schools that legally rob communities and provide little if any education. Or, public education may be replaced by for-profit, schools-in-a-box, courtesy of the Aspen Institute’s education program funder, Gates. Today’s Plunderbund issue is worth a read, “Key Ohio Officials Doing Businesses with the ECOT Family of Businesses”. ECOT is Ohio’s largest for-profit on-line charter school.
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Linda,
Both Florida and Ohio have for-profit charter schools, which I don’t think should exist. Most of us non-profits (as all in NY are) don’t have “deep pockets”.
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John,
Eva has very deep pockets. How many public schools can hold a dinner and raise $30 million in one night. I call that a deep deep pocket.
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Diane,
Only one public school can do that and it’s Eva’s.
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Too bad that Eva’s schools are not public schools. They are not transparent and they are not accountable. They are privately managed and have a board of directors that consists of hedge fund managers. Can any parents call any member of the board of directors with a problem? How about posting the names and cell phone numbers of the board, so parents can call them?
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Their board meetings are open to the public. They file 990s that can be found at http://www.citizenaudit.org or charity navigator. They follow FERPA and FOIL. Their financials (including audited financial statements) and academic data can be found at http://www.newyorkcharters.org. They’re being audited by the NYC Comptroller’s Office.
Not my job to explain charter law, but if you’re going to say they’re not transparent and not accountable, you mislead people into thinking none of the above are true.
Any parent can come to a Board meeting and make a statement, just like they can at a school board meeting. Any parent can file a formal complaint with the board, just as they can in a traditional public school. Our parents have direct access to our board; I can’t speak for whether SA’s parents do.
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John, who scores the tests at Success Academy?
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Do you know? How about traditional public schools in NYC?
My school has always opted to have third parties do scoring to avoid any potential criticism about the validity of the results.
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John, does Success Academy enroll the same proportion of children with profound disabilities as the local public school? The same ELLs?
Why does Eva say she remediate a disabilities when so many children have severe disabilities that she can’t fix?
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Diane,
Sorry, no time to chase down the rabbit hole as you change the subject.
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It’s about what the politicians impose, not about what “you”, I or 90%, of Americans “want”. (Read Princeton Prof. Martin Gillens’ research.)
Individual charters may not have deep pockets but, the industry, that allows your charter to temporarily exist, because it provides cover, for the end game, does. The industry’s spending in Albany and D.C., doesn’t have anything to do with schools like yours, does it?
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http://www.ikar-la.org/doubling-down/
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LeftCoastTeacher,
Good piece. I’m not Jewish, but I support The Center for Jewish Nonviolence. Curious what you think of them.
As I said, there are lessons to be learned in the statements by NAACP and CBLM even if I think they’re unduly influenced by union interests. Their opinions wouldn’t hurt at all if they were baseless, which they are not. Most reformers recognize that we need more black leaders in governance of schools. Charters empower families, but they generally don’t empower communities.
I think the main criticism applies to some cities where offering charter choices has eroded non-charter choices. But, to understand this, one has to draw a distinction between districts that claim this is happening and those where it is really happening. In most places, traditional schools have just opted not to scale down as they lose students, or have made questionable decisions about what to cut to score political points.
Personally, I prefer models like Camden’s Renaissance Schools, where independent non-profits can run schools, but have to accept all students in all grades in a geographic area. So far, those schools look promising.
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Unions represent teachers. Teachers should have more to say about schools than hedge fund managers. Not that hard to understand.
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Almost all of how traditional public schools operate is what has been negotiated between admin unions, teachers unions, elected school boards, and legislatures heavily influenced by lobbying by the same.
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Name the states where the middle class has more clout than the rich.
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I take back what I said about there being hope for John. Some people are just — hmm, what’s the word I’m looking for — describes those who insist others “scale down” so they themselves can “scale up”, who don’t have a problem taking money from impoverished people, generally hate labor unions, are unable to change their ways — starts with ‘p’, contains a ‘g’…
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LeftCoastTeacher,
I don’t insist on anything. The families that opt to send their children to my school do.
I realize that you probably think that our local school district should still be paid for the thousands of students who aren’t attending their schools anymore, but that’s not how the law works.
How they choose to adapt to that budget reality is up to them, but there is no doubt that the existence of charters has given them more money to spend per student, not less.
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That number of students is not static. It is in flux. It churns. It burns. Schools open and close. Lives are disrupted. Communities are unraveled. The fabric is slowly torn.
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Kristina Rizga, staff writer at Mother Jones, wrote about the decision by Black Lives Matter and the NAACP to call for a moratorium on new charter schools. Their statements agitated Democrats for Education Reform, and its executive director Shavar Jeffries expressed his disappointment, as did the Black Alliance for Educational Options, which supports both charters and vouchers. US News & World Report treated the disagreement as a fissure among communities of color and asked (in the link, if not in the article), “who speaks for communities of color?” A provocative question since DFER is comprised of white hedge-fund managers, who hired Shavar Jeffries–an African-American lawyer, as its spokesmen. It would be a reach, if not a bad joke, to say that the hedge fund managers of DFER speak for communities of color. BAEO is headed by Howard Fuller, an articulate African American who was trained as a social worker and served for a time as superintendent in Milwaukee; BAEO is funded by the Bradley Foundation, the Walton Foundation, and other rightwing advocates of school choice. Who speaks for communities of color?
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