NPR ran an excellent story about the perennial debate: Can More Money Fix America’s Schools?
The show interviews those who say that money doesn’t make a difference; what matters is how money is spent, not how much is spent.
It also interviews those who say that low-income districts are inadequately funded because of property taxes.
It begins like this:
This winter, Jameria Miller would often run to her high school Spanish class, though not to get a good seat.
She wanted a good blanket.
“The cold is definitely a distraction,” Jameria says of her classroom’s uninsulated, metal walls.
Her teacher provided the blankets. First come, first served. Such is life in the William Penn School District in an inner-ring suburb of Philadelphia.
The hardest part for Jameria, though, isn’t the cold. It’s knowing that other schools aren’t like this.
Before her family moved closer to the city, where they could afford more living space, she attended the more affluent Upper Moreland district, which is predominantly white and, according to state and local records, spends about $1,200 more per student than William Penn.
That difference adds up, Jameria says, to better buildings, smaller class sizes, take-home textbooks and less teacher turnover.
“It’s never going to be fair,” she says, comparing her life now to her former classmates. “They’re always going to be a step ahead of us. They’ll have more money than us, and they’ll get better jobs than us, always.”
Critics of school spending like to point to the high spending in some low-income districts and say that the test scores didn’t go up. But what if students had heated buildings, a school nurse, a hot lunch, a librarian, and other such things that affluent districts take for granted? What if their test scores didn’t go up, but the schools were doing a better job of meeting their immediate needs as human beings?
This is a balanced and thought-provoking discussion.

The powers that be like to “prove” that more money doesn’t help by spending that money on consultants, which, of course, doesn’t help. See, told you more money wouldn’t help.
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Dienne:
TAGO!
Except, of course, that money for the consultants does help somebody—the consultants. And in a tour de force of rheephorm thinking, shifting more and more resources out of the classrooms to high-priced consultants proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that corporate education reform “is all about the kids!”
Rheeally! And in the most Johnsonally sort of ways too…
But unfortunately for the rest of us, not really.
And it doesn’t add up even if a conference at Harvard says it makes a lot of ₵ent¢.
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The following was published in 2011 by The Equity Center in Texas. It was written at the time when the State of Texas was unnecessarily cutting 5.4 Billion dollars from education funding. The cuts resulted in the current lawsuit before the Texas Supreme Court.
http://equitycenter.org/resources/publications/money-matters/
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What if it takes more money to educate children that live in poverty? What if what we think is too much isn’t nearly enough? Would it matter how you spent $100 on a kid, if you only had $100 to educate a child? If more money is a problem, why aren’t the poor the most problem free segment in society?
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Students are not human beings, they are items on line item budgets. They seem to get scratched off quite a bit.
It is really sad is that the student in the article knows that she is not valued. What a terrible way to grow up.
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Gee, let me think. Could money somehow “fix” this math class at Happy Valley MS that is jammed to the gills with 45 students? Or the thousands of other over crowded classrooms found everywhere – except in places like Lakeside, Sidwell Friends, and Chicago Lab School.
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RageAgainstThe Testocracy: it’s like that old saying—
If money wasn’t so important, why are rich people always trying to get more of it?
For those not familiar with Lakeside School (Bill Gates and his two children), here’s a brief description of its athletic facilities:
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Lakeside is home to some of the finest high school athletic facilities in the Puget Sound region. In addition to two artificial turf fields lined for multi-sport use, a natural-grass soccer pitch, an all-weather track, boathouse, and Middle School multi-sport gymnasium, Lakeside recently opened The Paul G. Allen Athletics Center (pictured at left).
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Link: http://www.lakesideschool.org/athletics/facilities
On the same page is a link to more detail regarding the above center:
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The Lions’ 63,500 square foot facility features the arena-style Ackerley Gymnasium, a multi-purpose fieldhouse, the full-service Harry Swetnam strength training and cardio spaces, the Ed Putnam Sports Medicine Facility, mat room, three classrooms, and administrative spaces for athletics staff and coaches.
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There’s also the Stimson-Carlisle Field, Ayrault Shellhouse, Middle School Gym, Middle SchoolField, Porter Family Track, and Parsons Field.
And then there’s the Visual Arts and Media Arts and Performing Arts programs and facilities.
Folks, building and maintaining just these parts of a genuine learning and teaching environment doesn’t come cheap.
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I’m sure some of these same people who moan about schools spending too much money will turn around and be supportive of taxpayer money going to replace perfectly good stadiums that are 20 years old in the same of “job creation”.
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I find it interesting that Wm. Penn chose to compare itself to Upper Moreland, where I started teaching many years ago. While most of Upper Moreland is middle class, an area of the district called Willow Grove near the naval air base was poorer and more diverse, although, things may have changed a great deal since I worked there forty plus years ago. It seems to me there are more affluent neighboring districts such as Abington and Lower Moreland would be better examples of the disparities, but the problem they are describing is systemic when property taxes fund schools.
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It definitely depends on the school, district, and many other variables. More money will only help if it’s spent appropriately. I will provide some “high level” examples below from personal experience of where more money is needed, regardless of if the money is currently there or not.
Classroom size matters. Spend money for more teachers so classrooms are less filled! 45 is too many (thanks for the example Rage…Tetsocracy). There were cases in Detroit Public Schools (friends of mine) where teachers had 50 students or more! Not only is this crazy, but imagine how the quality of education/assessments was compromised. With 250 or more students in your roster, I’m willing to bet only multiple choice tests were given, few projects, etc. A teacher can only extend his/herself so far.
Support staff helps. In my former school, we had two special education teachers for the entire building, but no support staff. More money can be spent to invest in these types of resources. This provides immediate help in the classroom for struggling students!
Counselors, social workers, and other social supports! Many schools that I have personal experience with has very few of these resources. My former school had no counselor, one speech therapist (which floated around district building to building), and otherwise no support. It was crazy! More money allocated appropriately would have solved this issue. Instead, teachers were required to teach another course called “advisory” which was supposed to take the place of these social supports!
Teacher salaries. From personal experience, myself and five other teacher friends (who are now all engineers) would have stayed in teaching had the salaries provided a living. 36k a year with a handful of years of teaching experience and multiple degrees does not compute, or equate. Insulting qualified and hard working staff with peanuts for a salary is a misallocation of funds. More money will solve this.
Proper and maintained school buildings. When I worked for the Detroit Public Schools, it was only a matter of time before the district was put on blast for the dilapidated buildings. More money could have provided world class buildings (or at least decent) with functional science labs, gyms, etc.
And the list goes on, and on, and on. 😎
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I have a radical suggestion: two teachers per classroom. You want real differentiation? Well, this is the ticket. It would also be a giant aid with classroom management: one teacher could devote his whole attention to the behavior issues while the other carried on the lesson uninterrupted. The two teachers could take turns leaving the classroom to attend conferences, develop lessons, grade papers, observe other teachers. I tell you, a co-teacher in my classroom would lead to a quantum leap in achievement and instructional quality.
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Ponderosa – I have this little ongoing joke with my husband; I say “I could get a lot more done if I had a wife.” So true. I agree 2 teachers per class would be great – but not if it were a 1:25 ratio. I’m sure you would agree.
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Ponderosa,
Love the suggestion! Like you said, imagine the differentiation.
Donna, here’s a personal story of mine where I could have used two teachers in a group of 25 kiddos. The way administration “tiered” courses when I taught in Detroit, it would have been nice to have another teacher in a class of 25. Most of the students were “low performing”, but would have been nice to split the class further and really focus on their struggles. For example, I had 12 students with IEPs, 11 that were “low performing”, and 2 somehow fell through the cracks and were quite “high performing”! Our special education teacher didn’t like math, so she never showed. The other special Ed. Teacher tried his best, but couldn’t possibly handle the needs of the 12 students with IEPs at the same time and wasn’t available anyway. We only had two in the entire building. Interestingly, the special Ed teacher who tried his best to work with the students also didn’t know math and was learning it along the way with the kiddos. I respected him for this, but …
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Not sure if more money would “fix” schools (whatever that means), but I’m pretty sure that less money would fix NPR for the better — and if it was enough less, it would fix them for good.
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Maybe they need to institute discipline to include kicking out problem children. And no whining about disparate impact. Once the environment is safe, learning can proceed for the kids that remain.
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And where, pray tell, are you going to send “those kids?” That’s what charters do–kick out the “undesireables,” right back to public schools. Once we had a charter LITERALLY leave a student on our doorstep (just before testing, I might add).
If you kick out “those kids,” are you going to be okay with the results–a permanent underclass that has no prospects but death or prison? Are you TRULY willing to deal with that, surfer?
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Take your racism elsewhere, please.
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Kicking out is a bit harsh. But if you ask parents and kids attending charters, a top reason is the poor behavior of other students. We do need to ensure that students and families that want to learn, have that chance. The kids that are disruptive and interfere with the learning of others should not be allowed to do so. .
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As my 13th year teaching seventh grade winds down, I am more convinced than ever that some kids need a long-term hiatus from school, especially in the middle school years. Even Maria Montessori thought a two year hiatus at this age was a good idea. Every year there are some kids who gain NOTHING from the academics at school despite the herculean efforts of many adults. All they do is damage the learning environment for other kids and siphon off energy from the adults that could be used much more fruitfully helping the kids who do have a willingness to do academics. A more flexible system that would let kids take time off and return when they’re ready would be a boon. Something like an Outward Bound program, or hands-on shop programs (BTW: the handful of kids I am thinking of are mostly white).
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They are kicked out. Duh. Harden up. Too much baby sitting. Too wimpy on discipline.
Change your world view. Jaime Escalante talks about going back to Bolivia in the 2000s and kids not having enough money for books. But the discipline and respect was way better. Guess which wins out between low discipline and high funds and high discipline and low funds. Duh.
Ever been in a situation where gangs and bullies affected things? It is the absolute pits and screws everything up.
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“Problem” children have problems- they are NOT the problem! Children who act out or cannot control their behavior often are the result of poverty, unmet medical needs, disabilities diagnosed or undetected, may have parents of all incomes unable or unwilling to provide needed love, supervision and support. We don’t kick out kids with problems, we make sure they have their needs met in a setting where they are safe and other kids are safe.
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“Problem” children are often simply the most healthy children in the class. When the whole point is obedience and “performance”, the kids who can’t or won’t submit to that regime are healthier than those who sit quietly and conform.
While poverty, medical needs, disabilities, etc. certainly affect behavior, and behavior may be a sign of unmet needs, in some cases (especially at “no excuses”, drill-and-kill schools), the “problem children” are just the canaries in the coal mine.
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Yeah when one of those healthy children beats your kid up (and there is no discipline) I know what you will do. Run away. Guess what. Not everyone can. And the healthy ciriminals screw up the neighborhoods and the schools.
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Terry Kalb and Dienne: thank you both for approaching things from what I humbly consider a more productive POV.
Many of the commenters quite accurately point to very real and pressing difficulties and choices. But let me pose a hypothetical.
Dienne, suppose that you are a SpecEd teacher and I am your classroom aide. Or rather, WAS your classroom aide. You are now on your own. Further suppose that now, without another adult in the room and the redefinition of your teaching duties, you have been assigned many more HS students to teach, with a mix of SpecEd kids and so-called “regular ed” students. They are a quite varied mix of students of different racial/ethnic and SES backgrounds, as well as quite different in their intellectual and emotional maturity. A few of the students—one or two of them are quite big and athletic—are prone to violently expressing their out-of school traumas. I could go on, but faced with the day in and day out realities of dealing with what are (for an individual teacher) realistically insoluble long-term difficulties—with admin support a never-fulfilled reality and admin write-ups that could lead to your suspension or dismissal a dead certainty—you will probably start thinking of “less worst-case scenarios” so that you could somehow, someway, get you and at least most of your students through the day. And, along the way, hopefully get some genuine teaching and learning in.
Teachers and non-certified public school staff don’t create the environments in which they and the students have to interact and work. Why do we have to assume that you must accept shortages in every area, from the help of paraprofessionals and other teachers to deteriorating and unsafe classrooms, outdated and inadequate equipment, poorly trained and unresponsive admins, etc.?
I am not saying that, faced with real world problems, people shouldn’t find strategies to dealing with what is right in front of them. But, in general, the problems are not accidental and individual but systemic. They are not driven by natural laws or divine mandates. They are the result of misplaced values, false goals, unrealistic expectations, greedy miserliness, i.e., more than anything else, by rheephorm-minded authorities.
Let’s put the problems on the shoulders of those that mandate them, enforce them, shove them down our throats.
Again, thank you both for your observations.
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Surfer, you assume too much. Now, why don’t you run away.
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Terry, I agree we should be compassionate, but I have one student this year that has infinite need. I am finite. There are quiet kids in that class that I feel I do not know at all even though we’re eight months into the school year. Those kids are cheated. He’s like this in most of his classes. We’ve had meeting after meeting about this kid; behavior plan after behavior plan. Nothing works. For whatever reason –psychopathy, emotional trauma, spoiledness –who knows? –he chooses to be infinitely disruptive. I think schools need to be able to remove such kids. Let there be unorthodox, creative alternative schools in every community without the straightjackets of standards and testing. Let the teachers there take kids on hikes, build model cars…whatever works. Ed reformers –if you really want to do good, advocate for regulations and funding that would permit such alternative schools. That will optimize the efficiency of our regular public schools.
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Let ALL schools be freed from the straightjacket of high stakes standardized testing and cookie cutter curricula.
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surfer, I hear where you are coming from. Families and students that want to learn should not be intimidated, threatened, bullied, assaulted. Student behavior is a top reason people switch schools. I grew tired of my own children being assaulted, groped, racial slurs, threatened – often by the same 10% that ruin education for the remaining 90%. Kicking them out will just create more problems. Getting them out of the regular classroom and into diversion programs is better. Some may turn around. If the schools do not address student behavior with backing of state legislatures, public schools will be abandoned.
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Public schools are already being abandoned by design because private profiteers want the “business.” The charter/voucher industry is driving this train. Diversion programs and special ed services cannot be funded under capped state aid and school budgets.
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No argument from me on fully funding schools. Kids with disabilities always get shorted by lawmakers. But we’ve got to create safe environments for kids that want to learn. That is not happening.
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Oh man, if only it were that simple: to meet the need of kids in a setting where all kids are safe.
Problem children have problems for whatever reasons we want to use to explain where the problems stemmed, but there are many cases where kiddos with these problems definitely are the problem in a classroom.
I had a rule as a teacher: if you don’t respect yourself or your classmates enough and want to interfere with the learning in this course, you will be kicked out and not welcome back in. This rule worked as there were a couple students who were denied entry into my room. These students were very “bad eggs” who caused ruckus in every course they were in. Unfortunately, these same students were also expelled from our district. By the way: we had many RTIs with these kiddos.
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My special ed class was where kids (with IEPs) who were kicked out of other ELA/reading classes landed. It worked fairly well when I was allowed to teach to the needs of my students and not to the data driven needs of administrators. Most kids made it with me; the ones who didn’t blew it in other classrooms or in unstructured times. They went into the “locked down” class or to alternative placements. A few dropped out. Were they going to be college and career ready upon graduation? Many of them were going to need ongoing educational and social service support. Again, what do we do with angry, low performing high school students to magically turn them into college and/or career ready adults when they graduate? Obviously, some of the answers are much bigger than the schools can or should handle alone.
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There is a part of me that says that schools should be able to expect a certain standard of behavior and if a child can’t “cut it” then other arrangements need to be made. Yes, there will be occasions when a child loses it and needs care and attention before returning to the normal classroom. However, there are children who will more than test the limits just because they can; they should be removed. There are children who are so angry that they are a threat to themselves and others. Their needs need to be addressed in an environment where their needs do not preempt the needs of everyone else. It is not harsh to remove a child bent on disruption or destruction. What we haven’t done as well is provide the services both in school and in the community that are needed to serve this child and their family. I suspect that schools are a reflection of a community. If that community is not meeting the needs of all of its members, the schools will reflect where it is falling down. A teacher who is a good class manager is essential in all classrooms, but that teacher cannot fully control what society has chosen to ignore.
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“Removed” to where? I taught public school middle level kids who could not function for a wide variety of reasons in gen ed classrooms or buildings. I was lucky- no Common Core, no scripted modules, no harsh discipline- I was treated as a professional free to find my own way to connect and engage my classes. I had an aide, and a team of support staff for kids in crisis. We need to fund a continuum of programs and services to meet kids needs in public settings. I ache for the colleagues I left when I retired 4 years ago, and for their students. Now free to fight these reformers, and work as a parent advocate for parents of kids with disabilities.
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I left it at “removed” because that’s the part that is not always done well. My last high school did have a program for students who were a danger to others. Staff in that program were subject to physical attacks not infrequently, but the kids loved their teachers even though they lashed out at times. When they joined the entire school for assemblies, they followed their teacher like a string of ducklings. Other students who had tangled with law enforcement attended one of several alternative programs. My room was one to which some of these kids returned. It was a safe place. Unfortunately, the new regime was more interested in numbers and data driven “progress” than in the success of the whole child.
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I wholeheartedly agree that a school building should without question accommodate students treating them as we would want to treat any human being… is this too much to ask? Hideous to even think we have to fight for this. Money is necessary to create a safe and inviting environment. Does a teacher need endless amounts of money to teach? No. Corporate ed reform is the main reason schools seem to “need” more and more money because the money is designed to go straight through the school system and back into the corporate coffers with no regard that this money assists in learning. The more money that filters through a school, the more it winds up in the coffers of corporate entities. That is the reality. In fact a good teacher does not need lots of “bells and whistles”… a good teacher needs to understand childhood development and needs to observe students carefully so as to facilitate learning. A good analogy brings back memories of a friend who had just had a baby many years back. When her son was a toddler, I was visiting and she took out a soup pot from under the cupboard, a wooden spoon, a metal fork and a clear lidded container of buttons. Her son was perfectly content to shake the buttons, to tap the wooden spoon on many different things from a hassock to the bare floor etc… Did he need every computerized toy? No. Was he learning to navigate the word through haptics? Yes! The developing brains of children need to have a real understanding of the world. Schools treat developing brains of young children as commodities that are enablers for amassing great profit. Why? Because corporations (not educators) are ruling the roost. Using money wisely would benefit the schools. This starts with getting rid of corporate control of schools so real educators in local communities can start to “reenter” the schools where they have always been yet this time LET THEM TEACH instead of being forced to follow corporate protocols like robots.
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What would be of enormous help, is cutting off the richest 0.1%’s spending on the Aspen Institute’s education programs, like the “Senior Congressional Staff Network” and “Urban Superintendents Network”. Both were made possible by the “generous support” of Gates. David Koch is on the Aspen Board.
The Gates agenda is on display in the Kim Smith interview at Philanthropy Roundtable. Gates gave $22 million to Smith’s New Schools Venture Fund. Smith currently runs the Pahara Aspen Institute (Gates funding), which has programs like “NextGen Leaders”.
One of the program’s graduates blogs for Ed Post. (Deutsch 29 blog has details about Ed Post)
The privatizing and corporatizing Secretary of Education is an Aspen Fellow of the “New Schools Entrepreneurial Leaders for Public Education”.
Skimming money, from public education, for the benefit of hedge funds and Silicon Valley, should be National PUBLIC Radio’s primary topic.
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