The NAACP of North Carolina has called for a mass protest on Monday April 25 against HB2, now known as Hate Bill 2.
SAVE THE DATE – MONDAY, APRIL 25
FORWARD TOGETHER MORAL MOVEMENT
MASS SIT-IN
TO STAND UP AGAINST HATE BILL2
CALLING FOR THE
TOTAL REPEAL OF HOUSE BILL 2
MORAL MONDAY 3rd ANNIVERSARY
Monday, April 25
16 W. Jones St. Raleigh, NC
DON’T BE FOOLED, THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS,
BATHROOM, OR SAFETY ISSUE
Hate Bill 2 is a pro discrimination bill;
Hate Bill 2 is an anti worker and anti living wage bill;
Hate Bill 2 is a race and class based homophobic bill;
Hate Bill 2 is NOT a “bathroom bill” but is more a deceptive Jim Crow bill;
Hate Bill 2 does not protect children;
Hate Bill 2 hurts poor families and those who experience discrimination on the job.
STAY TUNED FOR MORE DETAILS
Meanwhile, save the full day!
Mark your calendar for Monday, April 25 where events will be held at the State Capitol and at the NC General Assembly in Raleigh, NC. Stay tuned for a more specific outline.
FORWARD TOGETHER, NOT ONE STEP BACK!
919-682-4700 naacpnc.org and hkonj.com
Diane Ravitch's blog 
Sorry, but this teacher bas had enough of this politically correct nonsense. Let’s stand up for our children and stop this craziness. If you have a penis you belong in a bathroom diff then those that don’t.
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Excuse me but will you be the one to check and see who has a penis and who has a vagina?
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It frightens me that you’re a teacher.
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And are you the one who is going to tell the little child who has a penis but identifies as a girl and needs to urinate that she has to wet her pants if she won’t go in the Boys bathroom? No teacher should be put in that position. It may be time to remodel the schools for single occupancy restrooms.
Standing up for the children does not mean maintaining the status quo. As a special educator of children with severe disabilities, my kids never fit in ANYWHERE. Some teachers even considered them less than human and I had to fight to assure they were included in school activities. And yes, there was a teacher who did not want them in “her” restroom.
Standing up for the children means that every child is able to get a free public education and is not harassed or bullied or made fun of because he or she does not fit the norm academically, physically, mentally, or because of his or her gender identification or sexual orientation. There was a transgirl at a high school where I worked. She was laughed at by both teachers and students in those days when enlightenment was more rare than it is now. She finally brought a knife to school and got kicked out instead of the school administration dealing with the issue. And this system had a statement in its policy that accepted employees in all the protected categories including sexual orientation and gender identity and almost certainly had a high administrator who was a transwoman. (I couldn’t ask her to be sure, but I am good at spotting transwomen and my gaydar went straight up.)
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Art Pope owns the state of North Carolina.
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Interestingly, I was in bathrooms in Europe that were used by both men and women (I think). There were stalls, of course, but the bathroom itself was for both sexes.
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All of the North Carolina public spaces I saw, including the airport in Raleigh, had gender neutral bathrooms. This is all b.s.
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Yes, it is all b.s., Diane. It’s an attempt by regressive religious zealots to use bastardized 2000 year old Middle Eastern desert tribal myths to control societal discourse today.
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article72947487.html
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Swacker: Should you have a copy of the source book for the eastern mythology you were mentioning, Proverbs 3:13-14 is apt here.
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Yes, Proverbs 3:13-14 is quite apt. Anyone looking for wisdom and understanding could start by talking to actual transgender people.
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Dienne and Duane–
I have always voted with a “progressive” leaning. I was drawn to this blog by the obvious need to stand up for public schools. Education for ALL.
But I will say that in recent weeks I have been turned off by the broad paint brush mockery of conservative viewpoints on a micro-level. Just as in economics we have micro and macro, in religion we do too. How we live our lives verses how we allow others to live theirs. And while I wish the Charlotte bathroom bill had not provoked HB2, I will not stand for the mockery of believers.
So we want and encourage folks to talk to people who have transgender challenges in society. Why not talk to believers and see what challenges they are facing also? Or watch old people in an old folks home who are wheeled into a chapel service each week, only to pep up at hearing the hymns they grew up on. Perhaps it is just the music. But I think, because I too believe in the promise of Jesus, that it is more than that TO THEM. So let them believe it. That is their RIGHT.
You can’t tell me that old people in old folks homes who thrive on the chapel message have anything to do with HB2. They don’t even know about it.
Picking on believers and faith is one of the oldest tricks in the book and certainly reaching for the lowest apples. I don’t hear intelligent debate about something that is a real issue here—-I hear assumptions, presumptions, mockery and lumping public schools in with liberal agendas.
I had hoped that the NPE conference in Raleigh would be more than just a liberal celebration of solidarity AGAINST things. I had hoped it would include conservative views in order to reach answers that really will help our schools.
Public schools are for Christians too. And while it may seem obvious to many of us (recovering Catholics especially, eh Duane?) that trans-gender folks should use the bathroom where they identify, any association of this rule with privacy should not automatically be associatively coupled with Christian skepticism about homosexual lifestyles, and then therefore lead to Christianity-bashing.
It is akin to abortion, really (approval of homosexual lifestyles to conservative Christians), if we take the religious stance as far as how people view it. But I don’t think most folks in favor of HB2 are arriving at the conclusions they are because of religious conviction. They are doing so more out of what they take for granted as common sense. If we want to have intelligent dialogue about assumptions and variations in common sense, let’s do that. But let’s not call believers bigots just because they have a view of certain lifestyles that they cannot rationalize with the scriptures they turn to for their faith answers.
America is here for them too. Actually, it started because of them.
Free from religious persecution is key.
In NC, when a bill comes about based on a certain framework for what is common sense, it is certainly going to be informed and inspired by the background of people, which will include education and faith life. Of course it is. It should be. It will be. It can be. That should not call for mockery.
I don’t think HB2 is a hate bill. I don’t think it’s a fear bill. I think it reflects a culture, and if it has led to debate where both sides of that culture learn from the other, then that is a good thing. But to presume that a struggling trans-gender child is feeling any more isolated than a Christian child is too simple for me to believe. Or that a trans-gender child is needier or more important. Sorry. I don’t believe that.
Maybe Rev. Barber is the new MLK. (or maybe he’s the new Al Sharpton). ? But many folks believe that LGBT issues (I notice people add a “q” to that now and I don’t know what that is, but anyway) are akin to civil rights. I don’t think they are the same. I get that there is a struggle for a group who is marginalized, but to then turn the tables on believers is not the right mindset. Or even to say that only one way of interpreting scripture is THE WAY and to hell with everyone else’s beliefs is mockery and HATE. To mock a framework and assume it is based on hate and fear FOR POLITICAL CLOUT is so obvious and cliche a move that I lose interest really fast.
This blog is about public schools. Interestingly, in the south the push for good public schools has largely been led by Protestant church leadership. Jim Hunt is a church goer. Money is not everything, and neither is jumping on whatever the most recent and trendy “small guy” is. People love to take up arms for the oppressed as a way to HIDE whatever aspect of their own lives they are not tending to!!! But if in doing so they begin oppressing folks who are simply trying to, themselves, experience what they interpret is a civil approach to living, then they are in error.
Democracy means we all get a seat at the table. Christians too—of all varieties.
I will continue to support my son’s public school. But as for assuming that the liberal agenda is always the best for public schools, I’m not so sure.
I’m unimpressed as of late.
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“But to presume that a struggling trans-gender child is feeling any more isolated than a Christian child is too simple for me to believe.”
You must admit that the idea that identifying as a Christian child is remotely as isolating and emotionally difficult an experience as identifying as a transgender child is pretty absurd, even when you take the War on Christmas into account.
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So far I see things spun both ways. (I always read both sides).
http://www.philberger.org/mayor_roberts_radical_bathroom_sharing_ordinance_costs_charlotte_paypal
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccrory-trump-bathrooms
To Senor Swacker: some folks, religious or not, do see the bathroom portion of HB2 (unnecessary as it may have been) as a privacy issue based on cultural traditions aside from any faith considerations. It’s not necessary for you to insult Christianity and your doing so detracts, I think, from the strength of your stance.
Tolerance does not mean mocking others.
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Related to schooling:
https://amp.twimg.com/v/87b739c0-2b4c-45b8-8f31-77c72882deb9
http://www.philberger.org/federal_judges_could_force_middle_school_boys_and_girls_to_use_same_bathrooms_locker_rooms
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Don’t you know that tolerance is forbidden in Diane Ravitch blogs?
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Raj,
You are skirting close to the edge of my tolerance.
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Toleration does not extend to tolerating intolerance. Transgender women are women and should use the women’s bathroom. In fact, you’ve probably used the bathroom at the same time as a transgender woman at some point in your life and never known the difference.
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http://www.thenation.com/article/north-carolinas-anti-lgbt-law-is-not-the-way-to-keep-women-safe/
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Involved Mom,
My stance on religion is not the same as and should not be confused with my other stances on many subjects. As far as religion, well let’s just say that I’m a Biercian, a follower of Brother Ambrose:
“FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.”
“RELIGION, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
“What is your religion my son?” inquired the Archbishop of Rheims.
“Pardon, monseigneur,” replied Rochebriant; “I am ashamed of it.”
“Then why do you not become an atheist?”
“Impossible! I should be ashamed of atheism.”
“In that case, monsieur, you should join the Protestants.”
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Sorry for not noticing when the rules changed. Folks are a bigots now if they want men in the men’s room and women in the women’s room? If a high school boy “identifies” as a girl, he can use the girl’s locker room to change? And if someone objects, they are slapped with the charge of bigotry? Seems pretty unfair.
Reminds me of the gay marriage thing, when all the leading Democrats changed their minds and anyone who didn’t change with them was cruel and homophobic. That was just a couple of years ago. Wouldn’t it make sense to talk this stuff out FIRST, rather than call each other names?
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Dave,
Who will be the genital monitor?
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Folks are bigots who fail to realize that transgender women are women and transgender men are men, yes.
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This is an interesting case going on in Troy in upstate New York:
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Topless-protest-underway-at-Sage-Colleges-in-Troy-7260077.php
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MKA,
A sign of how fortunate we in the US are–R Sage students are protesting re topless sunbathing the same week Nigerian families mark two years since 200+ girl students were abducted.
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Dianne, sorry I didn’t see the note until just now. No one will be checking genitals — but you know that. The law relates to birth certificate gender, which a transgendered person can have changed following reassignment surgery. Caitlyn Jenner can eventually have that detail changed.
My post was to decry the unfortunate name-calling which permeates the arrogant left. Dienne proved my point. Both your minds are closed on the subject. Sad. There was a time when folks on all sides of the issue could debate without name-calling.
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Dear Involved mom: I am a teacher and an evangelical Christian: saved by grace, baptized, washed in the blood and filled with t he Holy Spirit. Most Christians do not believe as you do. This is because the law and walk of Jesus Christ is love and acceptance of whosoever comes to Him. It is not about discrimination. I will get back and say more later. But leave it to say that I am part of a church that openly accepts the GLBT community and recently participated in a press conference at Joshua Generation Metropolitan Community Church in Hattiesburg Mississippi. I am the last commenter. You can get it on YouTube. Jesus had NOTHING to say about the GLBT community. So don’t hid behind religion to try to cover your prejudice.
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Oh, for those who don’t know, in the abbreviation LGBTQ, the Q stands for Questioning, a designation for those who thinK they might be a member of the community but are not sure yet. Some people add an “A” for Allies. Allies are those supporters who are not gay themselves but support gay rights, much like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had many white supporters. Many are parents or friends of GLBT people. Others are Christians who know that Jesus would not discriminate and still more are non-religious liberals and moderates who just hate this latest conservative bent that brings embarrassment to our nation and which seems to get more rabid in election years..
The extremists might want to watch out for the allies as they would include these businesses that are pulling out of North Carolina and the sports teams and musicians that won’t go to NC or Mississippi. They also include members of local communities who are not going to shop at businesses that discriminate so that the conservatives and fundamentalists will feel their un-christian beliefs where it really hurts—-in their wallets and will change their attitude because their real god is MONEY.
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