Last week, NPR had a story about how “dumb” our students are, compared to those in other countries. The story title said that our high school graduates are on par with high school dropouts elsewhere on international tests.
For myself, I always wonder how critics can say in one breath that we live in the greatest nation in the world, and in the next breath say that we have the worst schools and dumbest students in the world. This bizarre logic then leads to the rephormer claim that we must cut the budget for public schools and push for the transfer of funds to religious schools (not known for teaching STEM simubjects) or to brand-new charters run by corporations or amateurs. You might think that only a knucklehead could believe in such truly foolish ideas but our major foundations–Gates, Walton, Broad, Arnold, Helmsley, and others–relentlessly push this line of baloney.
One reader referred to the story and blamed “bad” teachers. Another reader who is both teacher and parent, responded here:
“Let me give you a different perspective, assuming you are willing to listen.
“All schools are not “failing.” I worked years in industry (high tech) and can assure you, on a aggregate level, America’s graduates far exceed the capability of most other countries. I can’t count the number of H1bs I hired that, while good employees, lacked the adaptability and critical thinking required to solve problems. In those countries that ARE on par with us, they support their schools, respect and value teachers, and believe in both a strong college OR vocational pathway. Are some schools “failing”? Sure, but the reasons rarely have to do with teacher competence.
“Now I teach math. So you are free to blame us evil math teachers for your child’s struggle. I’ve heard it all before. Here’s the reality. I teach students who are “high risk” in math. Often, I battle a accumulation of years of external issues – poverty, health problems, learning challenges, disinterested parents, violence, drugs, mental health – the list goes on. I have never abandoned a student, but many parents have. Politicians blame teachers, but then cut social programs, employment opportunities, and health programs. Business complains, but then wiggles out of financially supporting schools, ships good jobs overseas, and pushes job training onto schools. Keep in mind, too, that k-12 works to retain and teach ALL students. Post secondary operates by screening out and eliminating students. Very different missions.
“The students do lack various math skills. I see seniors unable to add fractions trying to solve trig problems. One common thread in math illiteracy is these students are reluctant learners and avoid math. Math is not sesame street. It takes careful study and practice. I can make it “entertaining” and I’ll try my best with a 150+ student roster to “differentiate” and individually reach out to each student, but America does not want great teachers, only inexpensive ones.
“I am also a parent of a struggling student. Unlike you, I took responsibility from kindergarten for his learning. I followed his progress and alphabet soup of diagnoses. I didn’t just sit back and blame teachers, I actively worked with teachers. I learned about new subjects to help him through school. I reached out and showed interest. I even lost a job focusing on my kids’ well being. Were all teachers perfect? No, they are human. But I made it work. My kid is going to college. He still struggles, but the journey doesn’t end with some kids when they become adults. Think before unfairly indicting a profession.

Our students may not be the “dumbest” in the world
but
Our politicians sure are.
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…and so are most of our (faux) “journalists”, especially the ones at NPR and Fox News (some, like Maura Liasson, actually work for both)
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We live in the greatest Nation in the world and there are those of us who aim to keep it this way by fighting big business who are aiming to control it.
As a teacher I have seen children coming into class trying to concentrate on school work while dealing with horrific home problems.
What happened to funding student’s needs with the professionals outside the classroom?
It takes caring adults at home to bring up a child, and caring adults at school to do their job.
If a child comes to school with problems at home they cannot and will not concentrate on school learning.
Teachers cannot juggle all the balls. We cannot be parent, teacher, psychologist, etc.
Although most of us try to do that everyday.
Enough teacher bashing.
Time to look at where the school funding is going, and ensure that parents take on the responsibility of being a parent.
Our children are brilliant and each one in a unique way!
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“We live in the greatest Nation in the world. . . ”
No we don’t.
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“The PIAAC study — the Program for International Assessment of Adult Competencies — looks at the skills adults need to do everyday tasks, whether it’s at work or in their social lives. The study compared countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).”
“Japan and Finland led the group in literacy, math and technology skills, while the United States’ performance was average or well below average in each category.”
If Japan and Finland have all the answer why the heck did we turn it over to David Coleman?
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What a great question. Who did turn it over to Coleman?
What’s his salary now BTW?
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Mr. Caperton came under some criticism for his salary of $1.3 million; Mr. Coleman will earn a base of $550,000, with total compensation of nearly $750,000. “David is innovative and an excellent choice for the College Board,” said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers.May 16, 2012
Accidentally stumbled upon this quote from Randi. Any wonder who’s side she’s on?
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No, no wonder!
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For a nation that is so “dumb” we have a lot of Nobel Prize Winners and patent holders. The “dumbness” feeds the failing school narrative of “reform,” and NPR gets to throw a bone to benefactor, Bill Gates.
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And I would argue that as year after year our mainstream so-called journalists have jumped up to board the “teachers are bad” and “our nation’s schools are broken” wagon with little to no insight or rebuttal, they have been the major vehicle for selling this message and thus allowing corporate reform to come into our schools, hire young, much less effective teachers, and force a non-creative, dumbed-down curricula.
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Thank you, Diane. I have never seen a country so determined to destroy it’s teachers. Nor such a well-funded, coordinated effort from across a political spectrum and embraced by business and academia, alike, to attack a single profession, outside of teaching. I absolutely love teaching. I try to reach both gifted and struggling students and those in between. Math is one of my passions and I work to bring that interest into the lives of students, regardless of ability. I see so many good teachers maligned and demoralized. So many experienced teachers leaving. America has turned on teachers with a vengeance and we may be beyond repair for at least a generation. And people who know me, know I am not an alarmist, negativist, or conspiracy theorist. Nor am I person without experience. But our state of Ohio has created a poisoned environment where teachers are silenced and no longer empowered.
I hope to move on to other opportunities next year. Kasich and the Republicans in our state make it impossible to teach effectively and my family and health have to be important. Perhaps that was their goal all along.
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Thanks Diane for this person’s comments. It is very easy to slap labels on everything. People and life just don’t deserve to be treated as such. Two nights ago I sat and watched the Republican debate and listened to the candidates talk about how public schools are failing and everything should be charter. And you know what? They can’t be completely failing when I, a public school graduate, can see right through all the rhetoric!
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I am there with you MathVale; enough is enough. These “geniuses” in charge are dictating how reading and math are to be taught and then blaming us for student failure as they push more abstract skills into lower grades, ignoring child development. Our new troll should also be advised, other countries track students earlier and put them in to vo-tech and career tracks for education. We are one of the few nations that pushes more classes for all and refuse to protect our industry to assure jobs for our people. Many of our graduates would have been tracked out of high school in other countries, so her statement is a bit disingenuous.
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While I agree that folks want to paint teachers I to a corner for their own purposes, I would like to point out that their were comments on this article that were important. One teacher pointed out that students who disrupted class could take over a class and ruin the class for the students who want to learn.
The reason this is such a problem is that graduation rate is such a big gorilla in the room. Principals know grad rates drive school reputation. So what to do with the kid who does not want to be there.
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Is it possible that the United States, ranked 4th in the world for adults with a post-secondary education (that’s college and/or a university for those who don’t know what post-secondary means) —- 42% of American adults have a post-secondary education and the United States ranks 4th of 196 countries.
So, NPR had a story about how “dumb” our students are, compared to those in other countries, and that caused the U.S. to be the “4th most educated country in the worl”.
Cause and affect. Dumb students = 4th most educated country in the world
What does that say about the other 192 countries that were ranked lower than the U.S.?
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Hate to say it, but it sounds like this group would be best off with Trump as far as education goes.
Obama has been a disaster for education as will Hillary Clinton I presume. “Race to the top” – ridiculous.
Know: I am not for Trump.
I loved reading this: http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/26131-valdemar-w-setzer-on-the-obsolescence-of-education Get rid of tech in lower grades!!!
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As a product of public education and currrently an English as a Foreign Language teacher who has been teaching in SE Asia for the past 6 years, I can assure you our students are not the dumbest. What we lack in some areas we far exceed in others – for example, critical thinking and creativity.
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I believe education is a civic and moral responsibility, NOT a race or competition. That attitude has produced “reform”, (to win at all costs….), serious and intentional bad-mouthing our teachers, (beat the horse, he will run faster….) and monetizing our children and our schools, (make more money, and educate on the cheap…) Education is for our children, and investment in our children and our future, NOT A RACE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES! A race assumes a winner and a loser. Not fair. Not right.
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I worked at a highly skilled job in technology and communications for 31 years. After 12 years of part time college, full time parent, full time work, I became a math teacher. I had the same experiences as the author of this piece. I only taught for 14 years because I was continually in hot water for my views and practices. I still hear from students that are following their life plans, whatever that may be. But the system was pushing me to create cookie cutter students with no critical thinking skills or love of learning. I feel as if I were pushed out.
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