I have been on many talk shows. I do so with a sense of urgency because I want to inform the public about the all-out corporate assault on public education. Before I speak, I think of all the parents, teachers, and principals who have contacted me with heartbreaking stories about children and schools injured by what is now happening across the nation. My two favorite experiences were with Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers. I have also gone on Chris Hayes, Ed Schultz, and Charlue Rose, among others. I even got to debate Geoffrey Canada on NBC’s Education Nation. The two shows that have never invited me to speak for Anerucan public education are Rachel Maddow and Morning Joe. Maddow almost never mentions education. But Morning Joe has invited all the big-time reformers on to bash teachers and public schools.
It turns out that Joe’s obsession this season is Hillary hating. In this post, two Hillary supporters catalogue Joe’s relentless effort to destroy Hillary.
I am well aware that most readers of this blog strongly support Bernie. I am not making any commitments until I learn more about the candidates’ views on the issues I care about, as well as the viability of their candidacy.
Be that as it may, I urge you to read this article. There is something sick, repulsive, and sexist about Joe (and Mika’s) hatred for Hillary. Read it and you will see how low NBC has sunk to allow this vitriol. reminded me of the one-sided slant of Education Nation. It is as if Fox News got a slot on NBC.
My favorite Education Nation line: when Brian Williams proclaimed, “Bill Gates paid for this programming, and we are relying on his facts.” That was the most truthful comment of the show.
From the article:
“You can set your clock by this: turn on MSNBC any morning of the week and you’ll immediately be served a big, rancid dose of Hillary hate. Women will instantly recognize the bullying taunts, the condescending eye rolls, the seething sarcasm. It is the sound and sight of misogyny in action, the verbal bashing of a woman because she’s a woman.
“No male candidate is ever treated with the same disdain and disrespect. No self-respecting network would ever stand for it. Hillary Clinton is the sole exception; the rules of decency and dignity do not apply to her when it comes to Morning Joe.
“Named for former Florida congressman Joe Scarborough, a reliably radical right-wing member of Newt Gingrich’s infamous Contract with America crew, Morning Joe is Opie and Anthony for the Beltway political set. In the 2016 cycle, MSNBC’s “morning zoo for politics” has devolved into a daily frat boy fest of grins, sneers, giggles and endless sexist dog whistles.
“All that’s missing is Baba Booey.
“As Hillary Clinton attempts to make history as America’s first woman president, Morning Joe has emerged as the global headquarters of the He-Man Hillary Haters Club, with Scarborough and co-host Mika Brzezinski presiding over a daily boys club that relentlessly attacks Hillary’s candidacy, her accomplishments, her very humanity. It is an ugly and self-righteous spectacle, rife with misleading allegations, insinuations and false indignation. Searching for words to describe Morning Joe’s particular brand of anti-Hillary invective, we’ve described it as “an unhealthy and unhinged combination of envy, awe, muted rage and dripping disdain.”
Diane Ravitch's blog 
If people lend credence to childish hate-mongering, they just give “hate” its own legs. Haven’t watched MSNBC in the morning for years because of this obnoxious show.
(I did find the Baba Booey reference in this article quite amusing, though.)
SO glad you are calling them out. Might want to add Maureen Dowd to the list as well. These unrelenting attacks obscure any reasonable discussion of her attributes, character or accomplishments.
More than anything else this reminds me of how little distance women have gotten and why.
While I am a huge Fan of Bernie Sanders, I completely agree with your post. Most Bernie supporters aren’t anti-Hillary, and we follow Bernie’s lead when it comes to civility. Lots of Hillary bashing, and MSNBC has turned into a just another 24 hour propaganda “news” network. They hardly even mention Bernie, and when they do they’re certain to mention that he’s a socialist (scary!). My favorite, Ed Schultz, got the boot because of his unapologetic support of unions and progressive ideas. He was always talking about public education. Now, I can’t rely on any network to accurately report on the state of public education. This is why your blog is so important- it’s where I can get the truth.
Janet,
I was on Ed Schultz’s Ed Show twice. Once to talk about the anti-Walker demonstrations in Madison, Wisconsin. The other time to pair with NY Regents’ chair Merryl Tisch about the value of high-stakes testing. Ed is unapologetically pro-union. He was bounced by MSNBC.
It’s too bad Ed is gone, but at least he still does his radio show. Journalists who are willing to tell the truth can’t last, because the networks are owned by the same for-profit corporations who seek to profit from the public school system. This is why social media, and blogs like this one are so important! Thank you for the work that you do.
Don’t lose focus, Diane. If you do a search of “morning joe and public education” you will get more than 5 million results. He is horrendous on the subject.
“No male candidate is ever treated with the same disdain and disrespect.” Seriously? Donald Trump, anyone? IMO, they both deserve what they get. They both believe they are above the rules, they both play incredibly loose with the truth, they’re both blusterers who mistake arrogance for confidence, and they both inexplicably have legions of apologists who turn a blind eye to their misdeeds and claim that all the hubbub around them is a conspiracy from the other side.
“I stand behind the charter
school/public school
movement, because parents do
deserve greater choice within
the public school system to
meet the unique needs of their
children. Slowly but surely, we’re
beginning to create schooling
opportunities through the public
school charter system-raising
academic standards,
empowering educators.”
Click to access Who-Supports-Charter-Schools.pdf
I have many bad feelings about Hillary Clinton, politician, as President, but I still don’t like watching and hearing from the folks who seem to be opposed to seeing Hillary Clinton, human being, taking up space on earth. I’ve been a vocal opponent of many folks, but vitriolic personal hatred is just ugly and beside the point and wrong. In my view, Clinton probably doesn’t deserve to be President, but she doesn’t deserve to be targeted with all this rage and hatred and lizard-brained bullying, either.
The idea that charters and choice are the saviors of our educational system is not based on facts. The simple truth is that cultural factors way beyond choice or public schools drive the schools. Let’s stop having the same futile argument between choice or non choice. Instead, let’s focus on building a teaching profession that can teach at a high level. That’s where the real action is in education today.
Joe Willis
I agree that we should focus on building the teaching profession, but there are two obstacles: One is Teach for America, which has been selling the line that teachers are great if they have only five weeks of training and plan to stay for only 2 years, then move on to their “real” career. The second is that states are responded to their own manufactured teacher shortage by lowering standards for entry into teaching.
Charters, like all private ventures, are about exploiting externalities. Except the externality is our most vulnerable and marginalized children
Charter schools are the new segregation.
Thank you for this piece Ms. Ravitch. It has been one of the worst displays of media bias by a crowd that is always complaining about the New York Times and liberal media. I don’t know if Mrs. Clinton is the best choice for the Democratic candidate for president, but Morning Joe or as a friend calls it Morning Blowhard has turned into a second tier Limbaugh or O’Riley.
I don’t watch Morning Joe and can’t speak to how they treat HRC. I’m sure it’s not kindly but I don’t necessarily believe it’s because she’s a woman.
For comparison (and I hate to defend this person because of the sheer damage he’s caused our country domestically and abroad), let’s look at how W was treated. Until Comedy Central develops a sitcom specifically mocking a sitting president (“That’s My Bush!”) or a major studio releases an unflattering biopic about a sitting president (“W”), the bar for mean-spirited attacks isn’t even within spitting distance.
Then there is the treatment of our current president who has been abused in the press and beyond due to his black roots. I bet there are even people on this blog who believe he is a Muslim Kenyan and not an American citizen. What other President was asked to produce a birth certificate by the media?
Whether Bush or Obama – our sitting Presidents deserve our respect whether we voted for them or not. We might not agree about their decisions, but we also have the prerogative of voting them out of office.
Wow, are we watching the same program. Mika and Joe guilty of mysogyngistic comments? Hillary pain is self inflicted. The vast majority of Americans do not believe her. Are you living in a dream world.
Whether you like Hillary or not, an attack on her is a subtle (or not so subtle) attack on all women. It implies that women have no right to run for president. They should be kept barefoot and pregnant, preferably in the kitchen preparing meals and cleaning up after her man.
The anti-woman effect is currently being played out in the anti-Planned Parenthood campaign. Even if you are against abortion, surely you don’t begrudge women the opportunity to get Pap smears and other procedures which lead to overall good health and hygiene.
And this attack on public schools where teachers are mainly women, also reflects the current anti-woman campaign. Women don’t seem to deserve the respect or salary of men. This attitude is currently pervasive in our society and it is getting worse.
Again, whether you are for Bernie or you simply don’t like Hillary, I want to inform you that Ms Clinton has been fighting for woman’s rights even back when she was still Hillary Rodham. She brought the issue to the forefront as Secretary of State. She will continue on her campaign to help woman in the US and abroad even if she doesn’t become President.
I realize we must look at other issues as well, but please don’t ignore this one.
And when Morning Joe mocks her, he is mocking all women who attempt to compete in a man’s world.
“. . . an attack on her is a subtle (or not so subtle) attack on all women.”
NO!, an attack on Hillary Clinton is not an “attack on all women.” Utter nonsense. I know many a woman who can’t fathom Hillary as the first female president and who “attack” her and her politics.
“And when Morning Joe mocks her, he is mocking all women who attempt to compete in a man’s world.”
Again, horse manure!
Two examples of Feminist (note the capital F) prejudice which is no different from racial, intellectual and/or religious prejudice.
When Hillary is attacked in misogynistic ways – basically attacked for being a woman – yes, it is an attack on all women.
It’s the same with Obama. I have a litany of things I criticize him for nearly every day, but those are policy issues, things he’s actually done. But there is very clearly a line that gets crossed regularly by his critics on the right when the start attacking him for the color of his skin. It’s not always blatant (plausible deniability and all), but the message is always clear.
But Hillary isn’t the only woman being targeted. There seems to be a disdain for women in politics and women in positions of authority as well as impoverished women and women who dare to speak out for the rights of other women.
Too many men can’t seem to admit that women have talents and are as capable as men in getting the job done.
Such a sad way to go through life.
Schellekens – We’ve learned to live with it. What’s even worse is that in the US, woman have it so much better than other countries. I can’t imagine being forced to be covered from head to toe and walking behind “my man” in a subservient manner.
flos56 said:
“But Hillary isn’t the only woman being targeted. There seems to be a disdain for women in politics and women in positions of authority as well as impoverished women and women who dare to speak out for the rights of other women.
Too many men can’t seem to admit that women have talents and are as capable as men in getting the job done.”
Of course there are some people who dont want women in power. There are lots of bigots out there. But I believe the point was that an attack on Hillary is not necessarily an attack on all women. Not everyone who dislikes her, or even insults her, is doing it because she’s a woman.
She seems to be the one that people love to hate.
Flos56,
This is the heart of the GOP attack plan, to destroy the frontrunner. If Bernie is the frontrunner, you will read every day that he is a Communist and wants to turn the US into the USSR.
And the democrats will find all sorts of things wrong with the eventual candidate. O, wait… They already do that with all those currently running!
Politics as usual…
We see mysogyny at work in our culture all the time. On the other side of the aisle, Trump’s comments about Fiorina’s appearance has the same nasty tone Morning Joe’s about Hillary. We can see the impact of women’s second class status in our daily lives from the thousands of untested rape kits that sit on shelves in evidence rooms to the glass ceiling women hit in the workplace and the pay scale differentials. We can see it in prostitution laws that punish exploited women and ignore Johns. Now, of course, we see a war on Planned Parenthood despite the fact that choice is the law of the land. There are subtile acts of discrimination from dry cleaning to auto repair bills, and it may be a theme of school privatization in which 75% of teachers that teach in public schools are women. While women are not longer property of their husbands, they live better here than in many other parts of the world. However, there is still more work to do. James Brown said it the best, “This is a man’s world, but it wouldn’t be nothing without a woman or a girl.”
Hmm. How does any of this square with the times Hillary has publicly attacked the objects of her husband’s affections, both with and without their consent? Is she standing up for women then? Because it sure looks like she’s doing her best to publicly vilify and discredit them, assigning them such nonmisogynisitic names like “whore” and “trailer park floozy.” How does she defend her record on one of the education buzzwords of the day: “bullying?”
How does it square with the way she chuckled through an interview recounting how she got a guilty rapist off in one of her very few experiences practicing criminal law? With defenders of women like that, who needs right-wing enemies?
There are scads of excellent women in this country to hold up as a model. Ms. Ravitch is one. But Hillary Clinton is not one, and I remain utterly baffled why her apologists turn a blind eye to certain aspects of her record on “how to treat women.”
if your continuum includes Palin and Michelle Bachman, then that is one thing to re-consider. When Palin was pulled in as possibility, why did they leave out Richardson in TX? or some other more capable republican female? Why in the era of G. Ferraro did things work out so differently? times they are a changing’…. but it is still next to impossible to make predictions. If anyone is making a prediction today — it is out of their own need to convince people to “jump on the bandwagon”…
Time to reinstate the “Fairness Doctrine”?
Being the conspiracy theorist I am, I almost have to wonder if it’s intentional to cover for/boost Hillary. I’ve never watched Joe, but from what I understand, his views align almost perfectly with Hillary’s. I wonder if he’s trying to create this drama in order to have her supporters – and even many who don’t support her – defend her and thereby try to silence any legitimate discussion of actual reasons not to vote for her.
Morning Joe is a far-right conservative who served briefly in Congress.
So’s Hillary.
I really wouldn’t call him far-right. He calls himself a Libertarian and that does seem to be what he mostly is. Personally, the only thing I like about Libertarians is their anti-intervention foreign policy stance. Other than that I can’t stand them because they have no social justice conscience, are social Darwinists, and worship at the altar of Ayn Randian economics. They’re supposed to be pro civil liberties but are really more pro business deregulation. Joe is perhaps more socially conservative than Libertarians are supposed to be, but so is Rand Paul.
What Joe is, is a misogynist bully, so attacks on Hillary are no surprise. I can’t stand watching him just because of the way he treats Mika and the way she just takes it.
I’m for Bernie, because Hillary is way too hawkish for me and way too tied to corporate donors, so I can’t see she’d do much to improve our problems with the corporate takeover of public education and the attendant problems of testing and VAMs. Like others here, I’m encouraged by Bernie’s long-held pro-union and anti-privatization views, but he needs to become more informed on K-12 issues. I was very disappointed that AFT early endorsed Hillary (evidently Randi’s BFF), and not happy that NEA is also considering doing this. Lily thinks that will give her “a seat at the table”, but that’s just stupid. Early endorsement will just make you ignored, because it’s giving up all leverage if you endorse anyone who isn’t fully informed and understanding of the issues.
Joe Willis….I forgot to clarify…..the words I posted about charter schools…..were from 2014 by Hillary Clinton. She is at the bottom of a page which included five others: Obama, Bush, Gates, Arne Duncan and Pittbull.
Anne O’Neill Kellers
Just now ·
When I turned on any morning show, it was Morning Joe, but no longer because of this hatred, which I saw on my own, so this article supports my view. No matter whom one supports, this is wrong. I myself choose Hillary over Bernie.
Anne Kellers…..choosing Hillary over Bernie will make a lot of sense just on the basis of…..it is important that a republican does not win, and change the balance of the supreme court. Your choice might be more related to issues…..either way…..if Joe Biden enters the race…..the issue differences and whoever would be more likely to win in November should be considerations.
Hillary won’t win in November. Too many people will not vote for her even if that means getting a Republican instead. If I’m going to have a Republican in office, I’d prefer it to be one who admits to being a Republican, not one who pretends to be a Democrat.
Bernie, on the other hand, got a relatively good reception at Liberty University of all places. He has a far better chance of attracting people from all ends of the spectrum who are fed up with the status quo.
My favorite part of Education Nation was when they had the governors arrayed in front of the logo of one of the sponsors. You could weep. They may as well have them wearing ads.
Comparable to the attacks on Ann Richards yesterday in a Congressional hearing on Planned Parenthood funding, by male interrogators who asked questions and refused to let her answer, displayed a graphic that misrepresented activities of the organization, misrepresented the source of the graphic and data in it , and showed the total hatred, really raw and unapologetic hatred of these members of Congress toward her and to women, whether or not they have used services provided by Planned Parenthood.
I have watched Morning Joe often enough, until recently, to see the comparable vitriol. The predictability has driven me to a morning start without TV.
Interesting that today’ s Wall Street Journal “report” 8 pages long, begins with the headline: What’s Holding Women Back?”…along with info graphics based on reports from the corporate world, 30,000 employees in 118 companies. Of course, the measure of success is making it to the executive suite and a CEO position. If a majority of women in corporate America wanted those positions, and they do not, then gender equity might be accomplished a century, if major changes in corporate culture were made now.
Until they start running crawls that reveal who pays the former politicians and various lobbyists that appear presenting “facts”, I’m not watching cable news.
Who do these people work for? They have decades-long careers on tv after they do their “public service”. The least they could do is tell us who pays them to talk. I need a sponsor crawl beneath the hacks or I can’t evaluate credibility.
I don’t mind anyone defending Hillary. But get a few things into proper perspective. What Ann Richards’ daughter did yesterday appearing before that congressional committee bordered on the heroic. Carly Fiorina is running for president, and she has said some stupid dishonest things, and should not be given a free pass because she is a woman–that in itself is demeaning to women. Hillary does have a great record on a lot of women’s issues, but not a spotless one. I think there is far too much generalizing in what Diane said, and what a lot of those responding are saying.
I did not post this article as an endorsement of Hillary. I will decide whom to endorse when the election draws near, and we can see the likely candidates and get clear commitments about their views about education. And by “clear commitment,” I mean a 1:1 meeting with the candidates. I have met Hillary several times in the past, though not since 2008. I have never met Sanders or Biden. I confess that it concerns me that Biden’s brother Frank is a leader of a for-profit charter chain in Florida called Mavericks. And I have never heard him question any of the underpinnings of Race to the Top. He may yet do that, and since he is not a candidate, we will all have to wait and see if he enters the race. As for Sanders, I resonate to everything he says, but he has not said anything about his views on education, and he voted to support the Murphy amendment to the “new” NCLB, which would have retained the most punitive accountability features of the original NCLB. So wait and see. I will.
I don’t think Biden’s heart is in running after the death of his son. In addition to his brother’s connections, I’d be afraid he would just continue Obama’s failed test and punish policies. We need a change. I also am concerned about Sanders’ silence on public education. As for Hilliary, I am very concerned about her connections to TFA, Wall St. and Eli Broad. She was Broad’s lawyer at one point. I do know she was supportive of public education when she was senator and never made a hostile move. Now that the gloves are off; I don’t know what she would do with federal power behind her.
Dr. Ravitch, I respect and admire you’re waiting to make up your mind but may I say that regarding educational policies, in my view there are things about which you are well aware that are tangential to education but no less perhaps important. Poverty for one. That is of course a major issue concerning the black suppression. Atlantic magazine has a terrific article concerning that in this issue. Personally I like Bernie Sanders because he has fought for the same things for decades. We KNOW where he stands.
I have NEVER found anyone with whom I agree completely on every issue.
It saddens me to see that people will not vote for Hillary because of one or two issues which in my mind are “majoring on the minors”..
One VERY big issue. We have a divided Supreme Court and as has been acknowledged there is a great likelihood of there being during the next presidency a vacancy for 3 new judges. The Court as it now stands passed Citizens United and other issues which to my mind are severely detrimental to democratic governance.
That alone for me would be a great reason to vote for Hillary although I agree, there are some things that concern me about her and NOT the political items thrown at her by those who do not wish a Democratic president – at any cost.
For example this email scandal. Hillary is being lambasted for a common practice which is not illegal. Should security be tightened? Yes! Should one individual be blamed for a policy in need of updating? No!
There is one reason for this chastisement and that is to get Hillary.
She should win or lose on her own merit, not on some petty issues drummed up in a game of gotcha.
If you are against Hillary because you don’t like her policies or her past voting record – I can respect that. If you hate her because of rumors or innuendos which you believe are the gospel truth, then you are falling into the hands of men like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Morning Joe.
It was/is not a common practice to be Secretary of State and have your own email server. Previous one or two may have received an email here or there on their personal device – but that does not even come close to being a common practice.
And that’s the problem with ms Clinton: setting her own rules for her own convenience, and the attitude that the world should just accept that.
We can agree to disagree. For me, that is not a deal breaker.
Since I don’t watch MSNBC, I cannot verify whether their treatment of Hillary is worse than their treatment of ANY Republican. But there are many ills in our country that I attribute to the media “gotcha” mentality that chases ratings more than the common good. I went on the Michael Rosen radio show in Denver to defend our school district from unfounded attacks, and he chided me for interrupting him once–then proceeded to cut me off mid-thought the rest of the show. We cannot reduce important issues to “sound bites” and “talking points.” We need to worry about our obsession with political correctness that stifles honest dialogue, with attention spans that are getting so limited that we cannot focus long enough to see, let alone solve a problem. I’m not sure if sexism is at work in the anti-Hillary rhetoric, or if it is just the general lack of civility that is apparent everywhere.
Rachel Maddow has been friends with the smarmy, chameleon-like Booker since they were classmates at Stanford, and rarely misses an opportunity to valorize him. No one should ever expect to see a truthful account of him or so-called education reform on her show.
Another pwogwessive enabling the fraud of so-called reform.
Morning Joe and his cast are a bunch of pompous pundits. Today’s show included unconscionable attacks on Planned Parenthood. You can often see them reading from talking points that are prepared before the broadcast. Mika often appears to disagree and is often belittled to a sub-servant role to Joe.
In general MSNBC’s new format is driving long time viewers away.
The NEA and Dr. Ravitch should support Bernie Sanders.
Well, let’s not be hasty that way either. I need to hear a whole lot more from Bernie on the education front. So far about all he’s said is a lot of platitudes about universal pre-k and free college – both very uncontroversial in Democratic circles. He says little about K-12, and what he does say is in line with the “Civil Rights” rhetoric spouted by the rephormers. I will say that he is openly opposed to privatization, which puts him well ahead of Hillary, but either he doesn’t get – or doesn’t care about – the connections among Common Core, testing, teacher evaluations, etc.
To clarify, I do think Bernie is a whole lot better than Hillary and I do, tentatively, support him. But giving away early endorsements to any candidate without some rock-solid understanding and promises first is just shooting ourselves in the foot.
Democrats are craftily avoiding public schools completely in a (probably futile) effort to hide the fact that there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans on public schools.
Real profiles in courage. They “pivoted” to college and prek the moment the campaigns started.
I don’t think it matters. At some point they’ll have to say something more than “great schools!” and “I love teachers!” I think Obama was the last one who will get away with promoting Jeb Bush’s edu-plan as “Democratic”.
“I will say that he is openly opposed to privatization, which puts him well ahead of Hillary, but either he doesn’t get – or doesn’t care about – the connections among Common Core, testing, teacher evaluations, etc.”
Perhaps, but he is the only one smart enough to see the truth when it comes along.
“But giving away early endorsements to any candidate without some rock-solid understanding and promises first is just shooting ourselves in the foot.”
Agreed, and that is why it’s time for everyone here to get informed about Bernie Sanders, including Diane. http://feelthebern.org
The attacks by Joe and company are Joe’s effort to further the campaign of Jeb Bush. In 2008 he actually said he liked Hillary. ( Check it out )With all the cyber attacks perhaps her server was safer in a closet ! Obama had to know about her server they exchanged e-mails. I do not agree with her on illegal immigrants ( I was an Immigrant, but the operative word was LEGAL )She should not be driven to the Left by Obama. Obama threw Hillary under the bus when they sent one of their own to lie about the Video being the reason for the attack on our embassy.If she had agreed she was the one that should have gone out.Biden is now riding the sympathy vote,. if he runs they will bring up lots of things about his son and his discharge from the service and lies about the cheating website ,..his trips home on Air force Two. and the cost to the American Taxpayers.lots of ammo folks.i am a Democrat But i do not want a third term of Obama. We do not need another King. I always started my day with morning Joe. – no more it is a springboard for Joe to run for office again and Mica to plug Mica! I want news reporters to go back to reporting the News not their opinions.
rratto…..I have noticed some of those same things…..especially with Mika. Her civility is often turned into a joke/opportunity to make a smartdonkeyed missing the mark interruption by Joe. But he is a minor figure in the media. He is not the one who has caused the dramatic drop in poll results for Hillary. It is up to her to deal with her general situation in ways which work for her.
I thought Diane was making the strongest national effort to make both parties, ESPECIALLY THE DEMOCRATS, WHO THINK THEY OWN THE ISSUES AND SUPPORT, start dealing with the realities of what powerful people are doing to damage public education in this nation. I am sure she will give us a lot along those lines.
I quit watching him about 5 years ago when he was promoting Charter Schools as being “the best”… and his patronizing of Mika; but then she trips over words like bicameral so I can’t expect much better (and shouldn’t be disappointed)
Imagine the United States if Morning Joe’s fans were in charge, but the good news is that it seems Morning Joe is loosing a significant share of his audience.
“Proof positive came this past Friday night, when the show was broadcast in primetime for two hours from the site of the Super Bowl. The ratings result was disastrous: 65K in the key 25-54 demo at 8:00 PM and 72K for the second hour at 9:00 PM. For context, Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow did a 104K and 143K at those hours the night before, respectively. Yes, viewership is lower on Friday nights compared to Thursdays, but that didn’t seem to affect Fox and CNN very much: Fox’s O’Reilly Factor and Kelly File did a 434K and 331K in the demo last Friday night, with Anderson Cooper and a CNN Special at 9:00p doing a 157K and 179K, respectively. Add it all up, and even with a Katy Perry interview and Super Bowl backdrop, the show got beat nearly 7-to-1 by Fox at 8:00 p.m., while CNN had two-and-a-half times the audience at 9:00 PM. And it’s not any prettier in the morning race, either.”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/latest-ratings-disaster-shows-morning-joe-has-lost-its-mojo/
Dear Diane, I am so happy that you noticed the “elementary roundtable’s” facial expressions, body language, and other childlike behavior of the various “cowards” of the Morning Joe program when Hiliary’s name is of topic. I have wanted to do something meaningful to demonstrate my personal appreciation for your tireless and indefatigable dedication to educators across America. Your highly-effective communication about the limbo of America’s education system inspires and informs me. I truly value your work and your work ethic. After reading your September 30th article, (How Long Can Morning Joe Go?)— I realize that I need to support your work by informing my friends out west to make a decision about watching The MJ crew. If they feel that Hillary is being bashed by any member of the club, I am going to encourage them to stop watching the program as I have decided to do. I am also encouraging folks to write letters to the show and share their thoughts about “The Boys’ ” Hate Hillary Obsession. Thanks for sharing! Dr. Debra Feemster
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:01:46 +0000 To: dsmithfeemster@hotmail.com
they did some clowning around about Martha Coakley , too (I am talking about her previous candidacy because I quite watching 5 years ago)… and they also do mockery of people by Lawrence /Larry (and he was one of the authors who told us that justice could not be found anywhere near Ferguson)…. so I could say they are anti-woman; but they also mocked Larry….. I just don’t like the “frat boy” adolescent mockery that they think is cocktail party cool…. and especially when it is aimed at women (but they don’t just do that to H.C. or Martha)
I meant they mocked Lawrence/Larry (he was not one of the “Clowns”)…. sorry about the typo..
Mika is of course Zbigniew Brzezinski’s daughter and her daddy likely holds rival point of view to Hillary. I am one Diane reader who is not for Bernie because he is as unelectable as Trump. So far Hillary (with all her flaws) is the only viable Democratic candidate. Readers for Bernie are clinging to a dream and also those for Biden. Let’s make history and elect a woman. Unless Diane’s readers want some of the harsh GOP crowd of contenders. Teachers beware of harming Hillary lest we get someone who will further privatize public schools and harm unions.
Bernie is nothing like Trump and is not “unelectable”. He is much more likely than Hillary or any of the Republicans to get crossover and independent votes. I’m all for electing a woman, but not just any woman, and not Hillary, though I’ll vote for her if she wins the primary. But I, and I’m not alone by any means, think Bernie can win the primary and the general. If Hillary wins, I think she’ll just continue Arnie Duncan’s policies.
He’s also much more likely to get young voters. Once people learn about his policies, they usually like them and become passionate about him. I think only Bernie can get people enthusiastic enough to be likely to get out and vote in large numbers.
No one with a plan to nationolize industries should be elected in a nation based on capitalism.
Sigh. Rudy, what candidate has any intention of nationalizing anything? Again, do yourself a favor and do some research before you spout off – you’re just making yourself look silly.
Um, Bernie does. I guess you are not listening to him.
I used to think that Bernie Sanders is unelectable in a national election. Not any more. He is drawing bigger crowds than Obama at the same stage in the process. If Bernie can inspire people to vote who might otherwise sit out an election then I think he would have a good chance of winning. When turnouts are high Democrats win!
“Let’s make history and elect a woman”
Bad reason to elect someone as President.
“I am one Diane reader who is not for Bernie because he is as unelectable as Trump. So far Hillary (with all her flaws) is the only viable Democratic candidate. Readers for Bernie are clinging to a dream and also those for Biden.”
Completely wrong. Look at polls and trends.
“Teachers beware of harming Hillary lest we get someone who will further privatize public schools and harm unions.”
Hillary will not do much better than any Republican. Bernie is the only answer to this.
” Let’s make history and elect a woman” I could also say this is “clinging to a dream”… if you expect H.C. to just be automatically promoted to being the nominee…..
… as you think some are if we promote Bernie’s viewpoints…. I did door to door canvassing for Elizabeth Warren and I am probably the only one in my city who has bumper sticker for Warren; in my city there were huge murals drawn on the outside of buildings and painted “vote for the Colonel not the Indian”…. a lot of this type of nonsense has entered in to the debate and it is propaganda by the “early decider” who is so rigid in the process
…. if we jump on any particular band wagon at this point in time, perhaps a person is swayed by “hype” because it is too early and not all the information is in yet. I know I have “banned a friend” because she is a one issue voter — she carries around petitions against gay/LGBT and anti-abortion etc. and she sends round emails that say things like the Westboro pretend-church and a one-issue voter, especially one who has decided at this early date, might be in for some surprises. Yet, this former friend of mine will always be a one issue voter — during the economic recession /Great Recession her emails were about how we deserved to be punished because of LGBT issues etc etc.
“he is as unelectable as Trump”….. this is a pre-judgment before the facts are in… if you think of Nader or Ross Perot, that is one kind of assumption from the history . If Bernie were in a “third” party that would be a different set of assumptions but he is aligned with democrats and the democratic party (not as the “third” party)… a lot of people in the western part of MA like Stein as Green party….
Also, and I don’t mean to be morbid, but the party alignments shifted greatly after Robert Kennedy was assassinated and people who would have voted for him had to seek out where to turn… I don’t want to make any predictions on November 2016 yet…. but I don’t think it is wise to pre-judge….
So, from an objective point of view.
Someone who makes up their own rules, circumvents knowingly and willingly specific regulations, lies about it, then claims ignorance of the rules and regulations…
Do you really want someone like that as President?
Which President are you referring to? I think ALL of them had those qualities. Have you forgotten Watergate, Iran Contra, Weapons of Mass Destruction, . . . Johnson was the master of dirty politics – he had dirt on everyone and was not afraid to use it.
The most honest President we had was Carter and he didn’t win re election. We want our candidates to be pure, but not boring.
Ain’t gonna happen.
I though Christie dropped out…he’s still in?
Apparently Obama hasn’t cured some people of identity politics. If all you can see in Hillary Clinton is that she is a woman without looking at her record and agenda, then you have given up a brain guided by reason. Now we have the spectacle of some describing Ben Carson as “brilliant” just because he is black. What’s next, a female Ben Carson? I guess Carly Fiorina would be the next choice for those into identity politics.
Ben Carson may be brilliant but he has some ideas which seem a little odd to me. I think Carly did well in the debates, but I don’t feel she has enough experience to be seriously considered for President. I, however, don’t dismiss her because she is a woman nor do I call her names for being a high powered female CEO.
And a two year stint as a senator was enough experience??
What can I say, we got swept up in the historical concept of the first Black president. Unfortunately, there were many who hated him solely on the basis of his skin color.
As with all presidents, I liked some of his policies and lamented about others.
Ultimately his inability to work with a right wing controlled Congress was a major stumbling block.
And I worry that our current candidates will have the same issues. Even the favorite of many in this blog, Bernie Sanders, seems to be more of a loner than a team player in the Senate.
What bothers me the most is that this current president totally ignores the fact that he truly African (his dad) American (his mom).
We hear about how he “could have been…” But he conveniently forgets that he was raised not by his African father but by his American grandparents.
I could not vote for Carson because of his ideas. However, maybe because he is Black, he is brilliant. What accomplishments can you point to that rank up there with separating Siamese twins?
Hillary is worth somewhere around 30 to 40 million dollars. When she recently got a haircut for $600, I thought about the 37 million children living in poverty in the richest country in the world and the 1 million who went bankrupt last year because of the cost of healthcare for things like cancer. I personally know a woman who is now recovery from cancer but who lost her house in the deal. This is a woman who does not represent me. A private rich woman who spends $600 on a haircut is one thing, but Hillary, who wants to represent us as a public figure, is sending a clear message that she is completely out of touch with the rest of us. She is in the ruling class of very wealthy people. We have to fight against this. I am a teacher and my last $14 haircut went on a credit card because with a daughter in college I cannot afford an extra $14 this month. I will pay for my haircut with next month’s pay check and I will most certainly vote for Bernie Sanders. And one more thing….consider that she speaks against the results of “Citizens United” yet takes the advantages of super pac money. She’s a hypocrite and her record on the issues changes with her hair styles. Bernie has been saying the same things since the 70’s.
Totally agree
I hate Hillary not because she is a woman but because she is an outright fraud.
But let’s not forget that fraud and plutocracy are blind to gender, color, ethnicity, and most anything else.
Stay away from Hillary. She smells.
But does she “smell” better than any one the current crop of Republican candidates?
They all stink. . . I have stated that many times before. You are right.
WOW, Janet.
I’m not one to begrudge others their success, especially when it was earned. We aren’t all Mother Teresa who have pledged a vow of poverty. And where is your outrage over those male politicians who wear $10,000+ suits? What do they pay for their haircuts? And who pays for their “visits” to other countries? Or for their country club memberships?
If you are against any individual who has money or uses money provided by others – then who is left to vote for? Gone are the days when a poor man can pick himself up by the bootstraps and become President. In the current climate, a candidate needs $$$$$ to run. That’s why several Republican Candidates have dropped out.
And if you are against one person taking superpac money, then you should denounce all the others who do the same.
Be against Hillary for ideological issues, but don’t make ridiculous statements. It sounds like you are reciting scripted sound bites from the Republican Party.
Agree, and my last haircut was $10. $2 of it was tip. But I’m not pretty, or rich, and I will not vote for Clinton. Not sure “viable” is enough for me to overlook the other stuff.
I choose not to reveal for whom I will vote (but it will not be the Republican nominee). Having said that, I abhor the relentless ‘hate politics” and the hysterical rants of distortions of the real and the facts. Are there really so few – except for Diane and following “activists” – who have just chosen silence. “The political, corporate, systems are corrupt; what can I do about it?” As Francis’ theme: “What about you?” “Here I am….send me.”
To whom it may concern:
James Grimmelmann studies how the law governing the creation and use of computer software affects individual freedom and the distribution of wealth and power in society. As a lawyer and technologist, he aims to help these two groups speak intelligibly to each other.
Here is Mr. Grimmelmann’s quote:
[Start quote]
“The best way to rob a bank is to own one; the best way to defeat factory-set emissions controls is to own the factory,” says Grimmelman. And the best way to cheat at school, I wonder? It is to be an ed-tech vendor? Is it also via proprietary software and algorithms?
[End quote]
We can paraphrase his beautiful and accurate quote in all aspect in academy, politic, business, arts…
In business, “”the best way to manipulate the market is to own (or to control, or insider) stock exchange””
In politics, “”the best way to beat opponent or to raise your own image is to own or to control media outlet/ PR submissive personnel””
In academy, “”the best way to screw/destroy public education is to own your FAKE ACCREDITED academy””
I cannot wait all higher education leaders to unite and to penalize all manipulative business tycoons/ corrupted politicians/ betrayal union leaders who bully the conscientious workforce; who intentionally sell out the country’s asset; and who deliberately destroy the dignity of teaching profession.
I hope that Mrs. Hillary Clinton trusts and believes in people in America who will support her true courage that is shown in her pledge in her platform.
IMHO, among all presidential candidates, Mrs. Clinton has the best character in kindness, generosity, and forgiveness. Who makes profit by selling weapons, sexuality in hotel business, and befriends with bad business practice (outsources manufacturing, hide income to avoid tax)) tycoons???
Please remember that all business BACKGROUND people are very manipulative and they only aim at their own individual / or family profit.
Likewise, all military BACKGROUND people are very stricken with their own unpleasant emotion, and are very subjective in discipline. Back2basic
Um, really?? You do realize that both clintons became so wealthy by (ab)using their political connections, right?
It is a fact that donations to their foundation bought political influence. What would you call that?
A president who lied under oath
A Secretary of State who ditched all the rules about security
Not sure if I would use “honest” in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence…
And before everybody starts hunting me down, there are republicans whom I would describe the same way. However, this was NOT about republicans.
“A Secretary of State who ditched all the rules about security”
I won’t vote for Hillary but you are wrong on this one even if she came out and said she supported the public schools. If she did, I’d think she way lying for votes since most if not all politicians from both parties do it all the time.
“A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/house-intelligence-committee-investigation-debunks-many-benghazi-theories/
Who said anything about Benghazi?
Not a good comeback. Clinton lied about his sex life, Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction. Hillary sometimes used her personal email in a questionable manner, but so did previous secretarys of state. I’m sure now that this breach has gone public, it will be corrected.
You are free to dislike the Clintons, but surely you have better arguments against them than these nonissues.
(I haven’t heard you chastise Carter for his connections throughout the world and the financial support he gets for the work he endorses.)
Carter is not trading favors for money. He did not sell the White House for money.
Apart from that, he, like other presidents, has his own failures.
I never cease to be amazed about American politics. The country knew Clinton was besieged by issues when he was running, and yet, he gets elected.
ABSCAM, anybody? Politicians were in jail, and STILL got reelected…
I must admit the American voter can be a fickle bunch. My first choice never seems to get elected President. And I admit that criminals have been elected, but that is not unique to this country. What about Toronto’s former mayor? Even worse, those world leaders in too many countries who systematically have their own citizens slaughtered.
We may have our difficulties, but at least we are free to argue and voice our dissent.
You mean that curing diseases in Africa stuff and building houses for the homeless? Yeah, that Carter guy has no moral compass.
Carter is a true humanitarian, but this man, full of the values we proclaim we want to see in a president, was not re elected and only served one term.
Well, there was double digit inflation and a few Americans on an extended stay in Iran.
Those would stop any president from reelection…
True. A difficult time and the turning point of politics into “cult of personality” Carter is still my hero-a man who lives the word more, preaches it less (a reversal of current GOP practice)
To Schellekens and Teacher Lloyd Lofthouse:
Schellekens, I did not write “”honest””, but “”kindness, generosity, and forgiveness”” (= her personal character). Again, being a politician, person needs to be intelligent and to have a conviction in serving his/her country and people as their priority. If any politician is viewed as being HONEST = GULLIBLE, then we should be worry about our security and soon being invaded by BAD, CORRUPTED, MANIPULATIVE and UNWANTED foreigners. (see Europes and North America will be in danger very soon for being gullible)
Teacher Lloyd Lofthouse, I respect and admire your profile. Being a talented and educated woman, Hillary’s patience has a lot to offer to America. If you do not care if her platform is good to American Public Education, how would you trust or believe in all other business background presidential candidates?
I can see how corrupted lawyers can set up and trap politicians mercilessly in order to destroy political opponents’ dignity and credentials.
If we all agree that greed, ego and lust can lure people into A DEADLY TRAP, then all young, old, potential male/female politicians cannot escape their puppet masters who already set their evil eyes on those potential politicians-to-be in 10 to 20 years later.
People who are with human conscience, will be smart enough to avoid a deadly trap. For this reason, I would take Teacher Rafe Esquith’s case as an example of 30 + years old false accusation. In the same vein, If Mrs. Clinton’s email scandal was seriously dangerous to America, then she should be accused immediately. NOT now, you know what I mean regarding set up and false accusation from corrupted party who tries to destroy Mrs. Clinton’s credential.
Please remember that there is no COINCIDENCE about assassination in Kennedy’s family, the recently accidental death of Cuomo’s lawyer, and the kidnapping of all education students in Mexico,… All can happen because the help from the expertise + connection of all academic + military elitism retirees and with CONDITIONAL financial support from corrupted business tycoons.
Please see the link:
http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/09/188330/weaponized-generosity-how-las-1-disrupt-democracy-and-dismantle-public-school#sthash.jdvSrHpi.dpuf
http://www.defendpubliceducation.net/who-is-eli-broad/
The Board of the Broad Foundation
Members of the Board of the Broad Foundation have included a veritable Who’s Who of corporate education reform. According to the 2009/2010 Broad Annual Report (Page 25), at that time they included: (all high profile VIP)
Who would want to sacrifice his/her family members’ career for the unappreciated public ignorance which is manipulated by corrupted business/employers? Back2basic
It was always strange that the high flying Scarborough would announce resignation 6 months after re-election and never entertain office again.
Morning Joe is superficial “news” and its treatment of public education has always been abysmal.
Joe Scarborough is a blowhard and a bully, And poor Mika. Other than being a foil to Joe, what – exactly – does she bring to the program? Not much.
The show is what it is, and what it is is mostly dribble.
In early 2009, when the Obama wool was thick over my eyes, I eagerly visited whitehouse.org to see his education policy, hoping to see a plan to follow through on his campaign promises, undoing the damage of his predecessor’s administration partly by undoing the NCLB. I distinctly recall reading the words, “Hire an army of new teachers,” which, it unfortunately turned out was referring to TFA.
In a town hall this summer, Hillary Clinton was asked a question about her stance on public education. She said she would “hire an army of new teachers.”
I meant whitehouse.gov.
For morning political-TV watchers I recommend CSPAN Washington Journal. Morning Joe is toxic dog-poo and everybody knows it as evidenced by their longstanding in-the-toilet ratings. As a poster noted above, millions express this opinion routinely on the internet. And please don’t shed tears for the enabling Mika, who sets American womanhood back 60 yrs every time she opens her mouth or bats her eyes.
Hi Diane, thanks for ALL you do. I don’t normally clog up your email reading with a response but I feel compelled to do so today. After these years under Pres Obama and seeing the excitement & hope in voting for the first African American president dashed with the neoliberal education policies he has steadfastly foisted on us, I cannot do that again with Hillary. Her long and close connections with Broad are enough. I agree that bashing her b/c she is a woman rather than question her on policy issues should be highlighted. That is wrong and alarming. Sincerely, Diane Payne
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I support Hillary, but I think even the Bernie fans can agree that we do not want a Republican in the White House. This particular crop of Republicans is especially vile. (Hey, I was nice. I said “crop” and not “clown car.”) The media is in the tank for the GOP. They are also sexists. Some people here may not support Hillary on every issue, but what the media is doing to her is WRONG.
“What the media is doing to her…”
Really? This would be the first time since I moved to the US that the media is biased against a Democrat. Are you sure that this is not her own doing?
Have you forgotten the Swift Boat controversy which destroyed John Kerry’s run for President? The Demonstrations at the Democratic Convention where Hubert Humphrey was chosen to run for office, Dean’s “yell” that ended his Candidacy, “Monkey Business”, Bill Clinton’s impeachment, Obama’s Pastor’s rant, etc.
Democrats have had more then their share of ridiculous scrutiny by the press.
Swift boat was not “The Media,” but a small group of people with enough money to spread their message.
Bill Clinton was responsible for his own difficulties with the media when he tried to figure out what “is” is. And rightfully so. He made the office of the President look cheap. But he got reelected.
Howard Deans braying – well…
And when you claim someone as your spiritual leader who then turns out to be racist…
But whether you like it or not, there is liberal bias in the media. Research has made that clear.
While that liberal bias was once true, the media is leaning more and more right a la Fox News and the Tea Party Movement. Besides, what is now considered liberal is really more centrist.
Reagan would be considered a liberal in modern times.
And research has also made it clear, very clear, that there is also a conservative bias in a larger sector of the media. The smallest sector of the media the few outlets that are struggling to offer balanced, honest reporting and conservatives lie a lot more than liberals do.
“Conservatives lie a lot more than liberals do…” Wow
Really?
How did you measure that?
When I first moved to this country, Al Franken was running a radio show, because “…the liberal voice had to be heard.” Now, I had no clue who Mr. Franken was, but as a new inhabitant of this country it was easy to tell that he was not, well, let me call it “factual.” Sounds better than lying, right?
That was my introduction to Liberal Radio…
How did I measure that?
I’ve followed several presidential debates over the last few decades between the finalist democrat and republican using fact check sites and the GOP candidate often lies twice as much as the democrat does. They both lie but the republican lies more in every case that I have tracked.
FactCheck website disagrees with you. Must be conservatives, right??
PolitiFact Says Republicans Lie Three Times More Often Than Democrats, According To New Study
There’s a HUGE difference between what you call liberal radio and HATE radio that is the foundation of the far right and conservative HATE radio outnumbers any radio talk shows that are liberal or progressive by a wide margin.
And who says that talk radio—left or right—is news or journalism? Talk shows are notorious for stirring up their audience with cherry picked crap. Anyone who gets their news from talk radio is a fool unless they fact check every claim the talk show circus host makes. I have done that on a number of occasions and have always discovered they were wrong and they were lying.
I guess you never heard al Franken on his radio program.
No, I never did. I haven’t listened to many. A few decades ago, I listened to Rush Limbaugh until I fact checked him and then I switched to Dennis Prager until I fact checked him—both of these conservati9ve talk show hosts stir up hate and lie through their rectums.
Have you ever checked the list of talk shows by country?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_talk_show_hosts
Right now, the only one I watch. and that is regularly, is Last Week Tonight with John Oliver like this one:
Hate radio is usually found on the AM dial. Key modern practitioners include Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin.
I’m not interested and I don’t care. One former talk show host does not represent an entire industry.
Again, check the list to get an idea of how many there are—focus on those with an American flag by them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_talk_show_hosts
For more on the media’s bias against Hillary, I recommend this site: http://www.anitafinlay.com/
Anita Finlay is the author of a book called “Dirty Words On Clean Skin.” It centers around the media’s coverage of Hillary in the 2008 election, but it is still relevant today.
“This would be the first time since I moved to the US that the media is biased against a Democrat.”
You must not know the history of the traditional media in the U.S. There is a conservative media and then there is a progressive media and then there is that element of the media struggling to stay in the middle.
For instance, the 2nd biggest media empire in the world is far right and it is News Corp that also owns Fox News. Rupert Murdock controls News Corp and Fox News
What I think is that you listen to conservative media that repeat idly alleges the media is liberal (when they are usually just progressive) but you do not realize that what you listen to is part of the media circus that’s out there.
I think you have allowed yourself to be fooled by the far right and that means if you think the media is liberal you have been brainwashed.
Educate yourself:
From Gallup: “78% of conservatives said that the media is too liberal; 53% of liberals say it is too conservative. According to Gallup, ever since 2002 more people have believed the media shows a liberal bias.”
https://www.facebook.com/notes/andrew-rei/top-10-conservative-myths-the-media-is-controlled-by-liberals/793334724023193
Click the next link and then scroll down through the list of the Conservative media. It is very long.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_media
The next link will take you to a MUCH shorter list of the liberal media that has been under attack for years until many in American don’t trust what they report anymore.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Liberal_news_outlets
I’m sorry to disappoint you. My radio is set to NPR.
My preferred tv station is NBC.
I read the Washington post, the New York Times.
My favorite authors are Grisham, Webb, dale brown and tom Clancy b
So – no feeding off media, be it liberal or conservative.
I read factcheck now and again to make sure of claims.
Became a citizen because I believe I have to earn the right to complain. If you don’t like it, work on changing things. If you are not involved, you have no right to complain.
The you will be interested to know that Grisham has a new book coming out near the end of this month—I plan on reading it. The New York Times is a neo-liberal rag and they even brag about it. I’ve read that the Christian Science Monitor might be one of the best papers in the country for balance, and I have read some good stuff from that media source.
As for me, I earned to right to complain all I want about this country when I signed up for the Marines to serve my country right out of high school and ended up in Vietnam fighting one of America’s wars that was based on lies just like Iraq was. My own country exposed me and millions of others US troops to Agent Orange in addition to the entire population of Vietnam.
So, I’m “influenced by conservative lies…” But read a neo- liberal rag that I can’t trust either??
No wonder I’m all confused.
Well, when you are hearing three times as many lies from conservatives as you are from those liberal sources, that’s a lot of lies and why we have:
http://votesmart.org/
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://www.politifact.com/
http://www.snopes.com/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/
Facts gathered by the US Census Bureau
Facts gathered by the CDC
>>>and other sources
Al’s show didn’t last too long. It was pretty boring. Now he’s a Senator. He used to comedy writer fur Saturday Night Live.
The liberals don’t have too many spokesmen, definitely no one with influence like Limbaugh, Hannity, or O’Reilly.
Apart from content, doesn’t this show that liberals are not that excited about this issue, or they would put up the money, right?
I know there was push for a while that conservative stations (sponsored by conservative dollars!) should give liberal voices equal time on conservative owned stations.
If I remember correct, Franken was on Radio America but not enough sponsors would put up money.
Can’t blame conservatives for that one!
Joe and Mika are disgusting every morning. Joe hates Hillary, maybe all women since his intern was found dead in his office. He then resigns from the house to avoid an investigation.
99% of black people hate the morning Joe show .it’s like watching fox,racist,sexist,total right wing garbage.
I have watched Morning Joe since it conception. I argued with my husband every morning when he suggested “turn off that junk”. I finally reached a point of no return and changed the channel to watch real Journalist on CBS Morning Show. Nora O’Donnell could wipe the floor with Mika and Joe isn’t in the same stratosphere is Charlie Rose. I’ve watched while Mika has threatened Willy with his job, I’ve seen Mika hit and slap Joe through several segments a day, and had to listen to Joe go on for days about his political experience which was many years ago and lasted for a half a minute, by comparison to many of his guests. He goes on-and- on about himself, interrupting every guest that shows up. It’s a major undertaking for guest to get a single idea presented in its entirety without Mika speaking while they’re talking or Joe flat out interrupting them and going on a tirade about what he knows. My question, why have guest? Why not just let Joe talk all day and let them interrupt each other, as they do on a regular basis. But through the election leading up to Iowa, I just can’t take it anymore. Every day Joe and his sidekick René Wallace trying to bury Hillary while giddy about Trumps disgusting displays, is just more than I can take. It’s apparent that Joe has pushed René Wallace on to the world. She couldn’t make it on her own at the View, so we brings her in everyday to bore us to death with that stupid laugh and her lack of knowledge about anything. Again, she’s in the past when she doing of any recent note? I can no longer watch this show. It’s such a huge joke, and it has so little to do with journalism. I watch shows that host don’t try to show their opinions down my throat. I feel intelligent enough to make my own decision given that investigate, I listen to multiple sources and I learn the topics. They’re propping up Trump every day, segments run on for 20 to 30 minutes per, for the last six months. It has been nauseating! Then we have Mika, thinking she is the first woman to ever present in equality for women. Writing books stating the obvious while she sits on that stage and is berated by Joe without any ability to stand up for herself on an intelligent level. As a woman who blazed the trails for young women today, I’m insulted by her books, her comments, and her boasting that she’s doing something that nobody else has ever done, ridiculous. She has had every opportunity with her career to have positions she is not qualified for.
in some ways I feel badly for her; but it is pretty much as you say One time she could not pronounce bicameral and they were very patronizing to her Wouldn’t it be possible for her to grow up in a home like that and not come out a little bit more thoughtful with wisdom of some kind? Guess we just have to blame her lousy teachers.
Seriously I quit watching about 6 years go when Joe was pushing charter schools every day without any evidence or data. In my area they charge extra for MSNBC and i don’t pay it so I just look up Rachel Maddow on the internet and watch her (or Chris Hayes etc)
Then we have Mika, thinking she is the first woman to ever present in equality for women. Writing books stating the obvious while she sits on that stage and is berated by Joe without any ability to stand up for herself on an intelligent level.
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I am totally disgusted with Mika. She has had a very noticeable dislike for Hillary for years. when Hillary ran against Obama, she did everything she could on the air to discourage voters from voting for Hillary. She is doing the same thing this year. It is so very noticeable that she does not like Hillary, has never liked Hillary and is doing everything to destroy her. I thought Morning Joe was supposed to have someone supporting the full Democratic ticket, but Hillary takes Joe’s position every day. I think she is jealous of Hilary or there is some resentment left over from when her father worked for President Carter. Something is going on that has been going on for years now and it is so evident. It is so bad, that I often change the channels because to look at Miki makes me sick.
I agree..I am not a political person…but believe in fairness…what I observe on Morning Joe is a total promotion of Donald Trump no matter what insane things he says…they use every chance they have to smear Hillory…puzzling!
The show has become very difficult to watch because the not-so-dynamic duo reflexively promote everything Trump while ignoring, filibustering or going to a break at the hint of any criticism of the Donald. At the same time, anything Hillary draws a tornado of negative spin. This goes hand in hand with high praise for anything Bernie. Add it all up and the hosts have a clear agenda: doing all they can to set up a Trump-Sanders confrontation in the general election. The Trump camp likely feels this is their only path to the White House and they might be right about that.
Why the show has taken such a clearly biased position is anyone’s guess; but I do know that if Donald Trump isn’t paying for such well-targeted advocacy, he certainly should be.
Mika is worse than any of them and I hold them both responsible for doing their part to see Secretary Clinton destroyed. The election is over and still, Mika continues to harp about Hillary. Enough already.
Thank for your insight. My husband and my 85 yr. old parents are also disgusted with the morning joe ilk.
Ld.