The original purpose of the SAT was to sort students for the “right” college. Their scores on the tests would show whether they could succeed in an selective college. The designer of the SAT was Carl Brigham, a psychologist who had been a pioneer in developing IQ tests. Brigham wrote a book about intelligence expressing the then-common belief that IQ was fixed, innate, measurable, and inherited. Brigham also believed that different races and ethnic groups could be ranked by IQ. Since he believed that IQ was fixed and that it was tied to one’s race and ethnicity, there was little that schools could do to raise up children’s intelligence other than to identify it and place them in the right track. Brigham was the chief scientist who developed the Scholastic Aptitude Test, as it was then called. Today it is simply the SAT, standing for nothing in particular. It replaced the College Boards, which relied on essays and written answers, in 1941; the decision was made on December 7, when the U.S. joined World War 2. The machine-scored test was faster, easier to grade, and cheaper. (You can read more in my book “Left Back,” where I describe the history of standardized testing, which is rooted in the history of intelligence testing.
We now know that SAT scores are supposed to predict future success in college, but high school grade point average is a better predictor.
Our frequent commenter “Democracy” posted these thoughts on the SAT and the ACT:
Part 1
The SAT is a badly flawed and virtually worthless test, unless one is interested in determining the family incomes of students. And many colleges are, for reasons that have nothing to do with academics.
The best predictor of success in college is high school grade point average (including SAT score doesn’t add much). Moreover, research shows that “the best predictor of both first- and second-year college grades” is unweighted high school grade point average. A high school grade point average “weighted with a full bonus point for AP…is invariably the worst predictor of college performance.”
The College Board, which produces the PSAT, SAT, and Advanced Placement courses and tests, now recommends that schools “implement grade-weighting policies…starting as early as the sixth grade.” The SIXTH grade! If that sounds rather stupid, perhaps even fraudulent, that’s because it is.
College enrollment specialists say that their research finds the SAT predicts between 3 and 15 percent of freshman-year college grades, and after that nothing. As one commented, “I might as well measure their shoe size.” Matthew Quirk reported this in ‘The Best Class Money Can Buy:’
“The ACT and the College Board don’t just sell hundreds of thousands of student profiles to schools; they also offer software and consulting services that can be used to set crude wealth and test-score cutoffs, to target or eliminate students before they apply…That students are rejected on the basis of income is one of the most closely held secrets in admissions; enrollment managers say the practice is far more prevalent than most schools let on.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/11/the-best-class-money-can-buy/4307/2/
The authors of a study in Ohio found the ACT has minimal predictive power. For example, the ACT composite score predicts about 5 percent of the variance in freshman-year Grade Point Average at Akron University, 10 percent at Bowling Green, 13 percent at Cincinnati, 8 percent at Kent State, 12 percent at Miami of Ohio, 9 percent at Ohio University, 15 percent at Ohio State, 13 percent at Toledo, and 17 percent for all others. Hardly anything to get all excited about.
Here is what the authors say about the ACT in their concluding remarks:
“…why, in the competitive college admissions market, admission officers have not already discovered the shortcomings of the ACT composite score and reduced the weight they put on the Reading and Science components. The answer is not clear. Personal conversations suggest that most admission officers are simply unaware of the difference in predictive validity across the tests. They have trusted ACT Inc. to design a valid exam and never took the time (or had the resources) to analyze the predictive power of its various components. An alternative explanation is that schools have a strong incentive – perhaps due to highly publicized external rankings such as those compiled by U.S. News & World Report, which incorporate students’ entrance exam scores – to admit students with a high ACT composite score, even if this score turns out to be unhelpful.”
Part 2
As most people know, the Princeton Review does quite a bit of test prep for the SAT. Here’s Princeton Review founder John Katzman on the SAT:
“The SAT is a scam…It has never measured anything. And it continues to measure nothing. And the whole game is that everybody who does well on it, is so delighted by their good fortune that they don’t want to attack it. And they are the people in charge. Because of course, the way you get to be in charge is by having high test scores. So it’s this terrific kind of rolling scam that every so often, somebody sort of looks and says–well, you know, does it measure intelligence? No. Does it predict college grades? No. Does it tell you how much you learned in high school? No. Does it predict life happiness or life success in any measure? No. It’s measuring nothing. It is a test of very basic math and very basic reading skill. Nothing that a high school kid should be taking.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/interviews/katzman.html
Here’s author Nicholas Lemann –– whose book The Big Test is all about the SAT –– on the SAT’s severe limitations:
“The test has been, you know, fetishized. This whole culture and frenzy and mythology has been built around SATs. Tests, in general, SATs, in particular, and everybody seems to believe that it’s a measure of how smart you are or your innate worth or something. I mean, the level of obsession over these tests is way out of proportion to what they actually measure. And ETS, the maker of test, they don’t actively encourage the obsession, but they don’t actively discourage it either. Because they do sort of profit from it…every time somebody takes an SAT, it’s money to the ETS and the College Board. But there is something definitely weird about the psychological importance these tests have in America versus what they actually measure. And indeed, what difference do they make? Because, there’s two thousand colleges in the United States, and 1,950 of them are pretty much unselective. So, the SAT is a ticket to a few places.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/interviews/lemann.html
Part 3
As to AP courses and tests, the hype is as great or greater than with the SAT. Students are told that if they want to be “well prepared for academically strenuous college classes” then they have to take “rigorous” high school classes, and counselors tell them that means AP classes. Jay Mathews of The Post has popularized the myth that “AP is better.” But the research doesn’t support Mathews’ contention, although students seem to understand the importance of constructing a facade. Students admit that ““You’re not trying to get educated; you’re trying to look good.” And “The focus is on the test and not necessarily on the fundamental knowledge of the material.”
Klopfenstein and Thomas (2005) found that AP students “…generally no more likely than non-AP students to return to school for a second year or to have higher first semester grades.” Moreover, they write that “close inspection of the [College Board] studies cited reveals that the existing evidence regarding the benefits of AP experience is questionable,” and “AP courses are not a necessary component of a rigorous curriculum.”
The College Board routinely coughs up “research studies” to show that their test products are valid and reliable. The problem is that independent, peer-reviewed research doesn’t back them up. The SAT and PSAT are shams. Colleges often use PSAT scores as a basis for sending solicitation letters to prospective students. However, as a former admissions officer noted, “The overwhelming majority of students receiving these mailings will not be admitted in the end.” Some say that the College Board, in essence, has turned the admissions process “into a profit-making opportunity.”
Advanced Placement may work well for some students, especially those who are already “college-bound to begin with” (Klopfenstein and Thomas, 2010). Indeed, there are “systematic differences in student motivation, academic preparation, family background and high-school quality account for much of the observed difference in college outcomes between AP and non-AP students” (Geiser, 2007). College Board-funded studies do not control well for these student characteristics (even the College Board concedes that “interest and motivation” are keys to “success in any course”). Klopfenstein and Thomas (2010) find that when these demographic characteristics are controlled for, the claims made for AP disappear.
And guess what? ACT, Inc. and the College Board were instrumental in developing the Common Core. Both organizations say they have “aligned” all of their products with it. Both are avid supporters of it. And yet, it’s wholly unnecessary. It was based on the silly idea that better test scores are necessary for economic competitiveness and prosperity, a notion perpetrated by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Wall street entities, and the Business Roundtable, among others.
Students, parents, teachers, and school leaders –– not to mention admissions officials, reporters, and politicians and tutors –– would do well to heed the research and to stop perpetuating the myths. Because the future of public education is at stake.
I remember a news report, I think form the nineties where a College Board official proudly stated that the only thing the SAT could accurately predict was how a student would do on future SAT exams. Boy has their tune changed.
The latest is the PSAT 8/9 nonsense.
In my backyard, the hype is all around code.org partnering with the College board to provide “subsidized” training so that districts can teach (and then kids can take) a new AP Computer Science course (which is in no way college level).
The catch? The districts have to agree to administer the PSAT 8/9.
The end result? Force the kids to take another meaningless test while the taxpayers provide for another cash cow for the college board.
I wrote a bit about it here: http://cestlaz.github.io/2015/05/19/code-org-college-board.html#.VXGgDt_08bw
It’s amazing how nothing is ever “free” isn’t it?
Nothing. One would hope the adults would do some kind of cost benefit for these “free gifts!” but they never do. I don’t get it. I don’t know you reach adulthood without realizing there’s always a cost, even if it’s time. The kids’ time isn’t “free” just because we’re not paying them wages. Certainly it has some value to them.
It’s the perfect scam.
The politicians pitch the test as a good thing. Code.org and the college board taut the free training (which will be lacking: http://cestlaz.github.io/2015/03/04/expedient-vs-good.html#.VXGmvZ_0-Ak ) and the taxpayers foot the bill which is conveniently hidden and never mentioned.
The idea that nothing is free is, in fact, a tenet of the “free marketeers”. There is a cafe at the University of Chicago called TaNSTAAFL – There’s No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. But somehow they’ve lost sight of this as it applies to themselves. They feel entitled to all sorts of freebies and handouts, but when poor and working people demand things they actually are entitled to, then they turn around and use “entitled” like an insult to mean “spoiled”, “looking for a handout”. And we sheeple buy right into it.
The one reason I like the PSAT/SAT/ACT test is that ALL students who want to attend college take the same test — whether from private, charter, public, or parochial schools. That limits how those tests can be used politically. To whit — I am positive that if all private school elementary students in NYC were forced to take the state ELA and math exams, their low scores would force those tests to change instead of forcing the schools of the elite to change to teach to the test. (By the way, many of the parochial schools — especially yeshivas — that “opt in” to the state exams have horrific results, worse than the worst failing public schools. That’s never publicized.)
The SAT is being changed next year to align with the common core. Believe me, when private school students start underperforming, either the test will change or suddenly every educational think tank will start harping on how the test shouldn’t be given much weight anymore.
We already have seen this with more so-called “elite” private colleges making the SAT or ACT “optional”. It’s the perfect way to allow in lots of low-scoring well-off private school students who will pay full tuition without worry that they will lower average SAT scores of incoming students and thus lower the school’s rankings.
We have also seen this in how private schools now are dropping AP courses/exams, claiming that their own courses are far more rigorous, so why lower themselves to “just” the AP-level course. More likely, now that public schools — with their many well-educated and hard-working students — have jumped on the AP course bandwagon, suddenly those private school students have some competition. So now there is a pretense that those tests aren’t valid anymore!
The best way to make sure that standardized tests are deemed to be of little value is to make sure both private school and public school students have to take the same exam. So don’t worry – I’m sure that will happen in short order, as the scores for private school students start dropping.
And yet, the SAT and the ACT and AP courses (and tests) continue to proliferate.
For what good reason?
There’s plenty of reasons to worry.
But that’s my point, they are not proliferating the way they were. Colleges are dropping the SAT/ACT requirement and AP courses are going out of fashion as well. It is possible to get a spot at a great liberal arts college without taking any of these tests. Of course, it certainly helps if you are rich and attended an expensive private school and can pay full tuition. But let’s face it — when it comes to standardized test scores, most of the scions of the .01% can’t compete with the far less affluent students who are smart and hardworking and willing to spend hours prepping. Especially the children of immigrants.
So we already see more and more colleges beginning to say “it’s fine if you don’t want to submit scores”. That’s huge and it is most certainly being driven by their desire to accept wealthier (but lower-scoring students) who can pay full tuition. I’d like to believe it is because they want to attract more students who don’t “fit in the box” of the high SAT score, but there have always been those students around and almost no selective colleges waived their standardized test requirement. But now that the test prep is cheap and low-income students can outwork and outscore private school students? I suspect abolishing the tests altogether are in the not so distant future.
NYC psp,
•When I visited some Orthodox Jewish schools in Brooklyn in the 90s, I was told that some of their students are essentially English as Second Language speakers because Yiddish is spoken at home. That would influence test results.
•If people assert that SAT scores are highly correlated w family income, how are there “LOTS of low-scoring well-off private school students”? I’d think the smaller class size/individualized writing instruction/peer effect plus parents’ ability to pay for SAT tutor would mean that most have decent SATs. Yes, there are “legacy” students but I’ve read that Princeton rejects some legacy applicants nowadays.
For the second year in a row, ZERO Success Academy 8th graders were able to pass the SHSAT. Eva, what has happened to those amazing “test taking machines” – or is it, “scholars”?
http://schools.nyc.gov/accountability/resources/testing/shsat.htm
Not sure, NYC public school parent. I have seen the decreased emphasis on SAT and ACT help kids in my mainly low-income high school. They don’t have the time or money to do the prep courses, nor do they often have parents who have already been through this, putting very talented kids at a disadvantage when it comes to test scores. Our local, supposedly more selective, private schools have admitted many ELL students that were not accepted to the SUNY research universities. (And received full scholarships to boot!) Our Guidance counselors tend to think this is because the bigger schools have score cut offs, while the smaller, private schools look more at the whole student.
I have been trying to figure out this whole test prep thing from my own kid. On the one hand, better scores do improve your chances of admittance and scholarships, and coaching does improve your scores, even if it is just knowing how to game the system. On the other hand, I hate to buy into this whole thing that is once again giving an advantage to kids who can afford the prep,
MZ, Wouldn’t schools be better off partnering w local community college for a credit course? Some high schools in NJ do that for biology, sociology, criminal justice classes.
The problem now is that the SAT is so entrenched that it seems almost impossible
to bring about a corrective. There needs to be an overhaul of entire system.
Both the right and the left have used education as a tool to advance political
agendas and the universities are enthrall of big money from ETS etc.
No solution except to do our best in our own classrooms and to make ourselves
known in forums like this one–but to mend this system will take at least a
full generation and it might already be far too late.
Many colleges are going test-optional or test-flexible for admissions. Some of them are very good colleges like Wake Forest University. Here is a list at FairTest:
http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional
This is the way to greatly reduce the use of these tests. I like the test optional approach. It rewards the student who has a high GPA but doesn’t do as well on these tests, but it also allows the talented student who doesn’t have the high GPA to get noticed with very high test scores.
Just maybe what it takes to be “successful” in college has changed over time. Maybe research would show that shoe size is a better predictor.
Shoe size actually is a pretty good predictor of success (so long as “success” defined in economic terms). Men tend overwhelmingly to be more financially successful than women. Men have bigger feet.
Also, don’t forget basketball players.
And Bigfoot, if fame and success are equivalent — though s/he doesn’t wear shoes, of course (at least I’ve never seen a Nike imprint that was claimed to be Bigfoot’s)
The value of the SAT and ACT is to make money for testing companies. Plain and simple.
Well, maybe I am missing some nuance, but…. Large scale standardized test scores are known to be a proxy for family educational background and socioeconomic status. If these are used to any significant degree to sort students, it clearly privileges the already privileged. Why then are we surprised that the practice has resisted change? Sadly, the overwhelming response has not been a social movement to challenge a system that preserves inequity, but rather an industry that plays on the hopes and dreams of individuals for their chance to get ahead. Maybe the opt-out movement is the beginning, if it can catch fire in less affluent communities.
We can do better than such small hopes: http://huff.to/1K91QqT
http://www.arthurcamins.com
I thought a fair number of competitive schools were dropping them for just that reason. Do we have to assume that everyone who is not on the verge of destitution is out to make sure that they get theirs and nobody else does? Those who have more resources provide a richer background for their children; their children are likely to do better even without taking the tests. While there are certainly forces that are inordinately interested in the bottom line to the detriment of what should be their primary mission, where do we go for an education if the assumption is that they are all basically money grubbing leeches on society? Before I get accused of being an apologist for the elite, I have no doubt that public policy is being controlled far too much by those who have the power of money behind them. From all indications those policies are not doing anything to help restore balance to the economy; more and more people are being pushed to the edge.
Sorry, Arthur. Your post provided a convenient jumping off point. My thoughts are in no way intended to be a criticism of anything you have said. While I never have been accused of being a pollyanna, sometimes I wish everyone would just get along; then everything would be hunky dory. (Did I really say that?)
Exactly the conundrum, Arthur. Educated parents take their children to museums, the library, theater, concerts, and other enriching educational venues. Many inner city students never have this same opportunity. When ELL is factored in, and in California this is a huge population, the odds of students doing well on,or passing, the SAT and other tests, is low.
Head Start was supposed to make a bit of an inroad in equalizing some of this, but it is limited. I am still a firm believer in Head Start however and am horrified at their decimated budgets.
At LAUSD this week, the big brouhaha is that one inner city high school can only graduate 29% of the students (far less than SEED at 36%) who took the 15 classes for the college bound. The rest failed the mandatory testing to graduate.
So…. the BoE and Supt. decided to change the grading evaluation and make it A – G and use a D, not C, as a passing grade. The glitch is that the Ca. State University system only accepts a C average student. And of course the excellent U of C system is now only taking A and higher A+ students. I am sure you can hear some of the teacher/parent bellowing as far away as NY.
Every student should not be forced by Federal edict, to be college bound. This ill advised decision caused the creation of the plethora of for-profit colleges that have ripped off these same kinds of students by making them usurious loans while training them poorly for fantasy jobs.
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There are many students who would prosper with training in high school and community colleges to learn a trade like IT, plumbing, electrician, etc., all of which pay more than teachers.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, as I wrap up the school yr in my AP11 English class
with readings and then video of Death of a Salesman, I take away two SAT Prep
books, students have hidden under text of Miller’s great play…a perfect play
for our time–kids taught to sell themselves, by focus on SAT, thus selling out
their chance to really confront lit…it is easier to test.
…and we have not discussed the questionable quality of those unemployed folks who are seduced on Craig’s List to do the grading of many of these tests for the great pay of $11.40 an hour. Who would work for minimum wage if they are college grads who seem unemployable? How qualified can they possibly be to be the final arbiters in this testing mill?
The predictive value of high school GPA is closely correlated with the quality of the high school a child attends, as shown in this study of the Texas Ten Percent Plan: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/27/study-finds-impact-attending-poor-high-school-follows-one-college. Given that the United States is so starkly segregated and sorted by race, then by class, the relationship between family income and high-school quality probably isn’t that different than it is for the SAT/ACT.
And very importantly, the SAT/ACT is an essential tool to prevent undermatching, especially for children who attend rural schools, low-performing schools, or schools without a college-going culture or ties to particular schools. This is personal for me; were it not for test scores, I never would have considered applying to elite colleges, and they never would have known I existed.
“Given that the United States is so starkly segregated and sorted by race, then by class. . . ”
I would switch that to “sorted by class, then by race”.
Segregation by class is certainly on the rise and very pronounced in coastal areas, but it has a long way to go to catch up to race. Wealthy blacks find it extremely difficult to obtain housing in the same communities as whites with identical incomes and net worths (speaking of undermatching). Lower-class areas that are integrated are most often communities in transition, like Ferguson in your part of the world, or the white-flight communities on Long Island.
“were it not for test scores, I never would have considered applying to elite colleges, and they never would have known I existed.”
…and your life would undoubtedly have been over. 🙂
Not really the point! I thought I had read a lot of concern here for socioeconomic mobility, but perhaps I am confusing it with another blog.
I wasn’t aware that “elite” colleges were the only ones where you could get an education that would help move you up on the economic ladder.
But, as they say, ‘you learn something new every day.”
I know I do.
I’m sure that you told your own kids that it was okay not to try to get into a college commensurate with their abilities, or to even skip college altogether. There’s no difference in any of them; it’s all just ranking and stacking that doesn’t mean anything. Well, unless you need to have surgery or something like that.
You said “elite colleges”.
No use in now trying to walk back and twist what you made a point of saying.
There are lots of colleges that are not “elite” where one can get an excellent education.
PS I myself have attended both an elite (ivy league) university and a non-elite public university and my father was actually on the faculty at the Ivy league university for my entire childhood so I know a little something about both, with regard to student capabilities as well quality of education that is offered.
PPS I don’t have any kids, but have actually recommended that my nieces and nephews NOT go to an elite college, largely because of the type of “know it all” individuals who are so prevalent at such places (and no, I am not referring to their actual intellectual capabilities)
Nope, nothing to walk back: my point was about undermatching, period. I couldn’t agree with you more that it is possible to get a top-notch education at a less-selective university.
Did you or did you not say
“were it not for test scores, I never would have considered applying to elite colleges, and they never would have known I existed.”?
That’s what I replied to (even quoted you twice!! to make that clear)
Wherefrom you conjured the rest is anyone’s guess (and I do not wish to speculate)
Did I or did I not say, “And very importantly, the SAT/ACT is an essential tool to prevent undermatching, especially for children who attend rural schools, low-performing schools, or schools without a college-going culture or ties to particular schools.” Did I or did I not add my personal experiences as just one example.
It’s funny that you think elite colleges are full of know-it-alls!
Well, Tim you have certainly done nothing to dispel my view on elitist know it alls (assuming you went to an elite college)
In fact, you have provided no evidence for any of your above claims.
” ‘SAT/ACT is an essential tool to prevent undermatching”
That claim is simply false — demonstrably so.
Essential means just that: can’t do without it.
You are obviously not aware that there are many excellent colleges that have a test optional policy which means the test can help, but doesn’t count against you if you did poorly.
..and there are also quite good* state universities that will accept pretty much anyone with a high school diploma (regardless of how good or poor their test scores were). Some will even admit students who do not meet the core requirements for high school courses on a conditional basis provided they enroll in classes to make up the deficiencies
*certainly good enough to get you a decent job that will move you up the economic ladder. Most state universities have engineering and science programs, for example.
should have said “regardless of how good or poor their high school grades were”
or where they went to high school.
Tim,
You also ignore the flip side, which undoubtedly impacts a much larger fraction of those coming from the high schools you referred to (rural, low-performing, etc): students who are quite capable of doing the college work but who are excluded from (or don’t even apply to) many colleges (especially elite ones) simply because they have test scores that do not meet the college’s requirements.
The irony is that this is especially true at the elite colleges where test scores are still used in many cases to “narrow the applicant field”
SDP,
Undermatching occurs at every point on the spectrum, not just at the most selective colleges. Think of a kid who could attend a community college (or higher), but who doesn’t attend college at all; the kid at a community college who could be at a regional four-year university (or higher); the kid at a regional university who could be at her state flagship; the kid at a state flagship who could be at Stanford or who is paying more in tuition than she would be at an elite private; and so on. I agree with you that there are any number of paths to a student’s cobbling together a sound education, but ON AVERAGE the more selective a college is, the more likely it is that a poor/first-time-college-going/minority student will graduate, and ON AVERAGE its graduates will have more options available to them and higher earning potential.
The research on whether or not no-test / test-optional schools are increasing access for the kinds of kids I’m talking about is mixed. I have no doubt that it is hugely helpful for an applicant who has the ability to pay full tuition and who is a great candidate apart from a low SAT/ACT score. Everyone else, I’m not so sure. I think that as long as the schools aren’t blind to the quality of the applicant’s high school, the outcomes aren’t much different than they would be at colleges that require the test.
To be sure, we are talking about a relatively small number of kids, and it isn’t without a downside (it contributes to the so-called “middle class squeeze), but I think the SAT is helping applicants to connect with schools that they wouldn’t otherwise consider, and that it is important — dare I say essential — to get kids with different perspectives and unconventional backgrounds to attend top colleges. Thanks for the discussion.
The “elite” universities are not the only schools that allow for upward mobility. They are unquestionably the only schools that provide a “golden ticket” (diploma) that practically guarantees that all doors are opened. Graduates from the class of 2015 (Yale, Harvard, Princeton)
virtually all have jobs before commencement day.
Tim,
You could have received a perfectly good education at a school that was not an “elite” one.
Guess what? The “elite” schools are also the richest ones.
Do these names rings a bell? Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT, U-Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, Notre Dame, University of Chicago, Washington University, Emory, Cornell, Rice, Dartmouth, USC, Vanderbilt, NYU, Johns Hopkins?
They are the richest schools in the country.
Guess what else? Not too many lower-income students apply to or attend those schools.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/education/despite-promises-little-progress-in-drawing-poor-to-elite-colleges.html?_r=0
And because they are well endowed, they can offer some darn good scholarships. Low income students with stellar school records should apply. It is hard for anyone to get in to some of them, but many of the schools have very generous scholarship programs. That process can weed out all but the most diligent. With the cost of education these days, public or private, looking at the school endowment (and the on-time graduation rate for your potential major) is a must.
Their multi-billion dollar endowments allow these elite universities to offer incredible financial aid packages. They are the best bargain in the business if you are a low income student who qualifies; attending for free in not unheard of. In addition many of these elite schools are striving to diversify and are eager to plug every demographic hole that exists.
“But there is something definitely weird about the psychological importance these tests have in America versus what they actually measure.”
Even Farley can’t not break out of the “measurement” meme. Substitute supposedly for actually in that statement.
Not only is there no educational value to those standardized tests but they also DON’T MEASURE ANYTHING. They are not “measuring” devices as there is no “standard” upon which the supposed measuring is based.
EDUCATIONAL STANDARDS AND STANDARDIZED TESTING ARE CONCEPTUALLY ERRONEOUS LEADING TO HARMFUL EDUCATIONAL MALPRACTICES.
“Supposedly” is much better. Also good is “claim to,” or, my favorite, “pretend to.” Never forget to use the right modifiers, everyone.
Duane Swacker and teacherbatman: yes, these fine points, and definitions, are crucial.
The rheephormsters use all sorts of words in ways which are best described (in standardized testing lingo) as “distractors” and “decoys” and “misleads.” For example, when it comes to demanding taxpayer money charters often call themselves “public schools” but they want to be treated as private entities when it comes to such vital matters as labor relations and student rights & enrollment and fiscal transparency & responsibility.
Another example: the psychometric terms “achievement” and “performance” keep being used, including by many critics of corporate education reform, as stand-ins and equivalents of genuine teaching and learning. They aren’t, and psychometricians [i.e., the very folks that design, produce and pretest standardized tests and employ all sorts of complex mathematical machinery to make them ‘work right’) don’t use them in quite the same way the general populace does but—in deference to their bosses and clients—rarely mention that fact.
I will only add one more point. The rheephormistas try to substitute meaningful terms that have tones of responsibility and moral obligation by using words and phrases that both deflect attention away from the real issues at hand and embody a different mindset and morality.
For example, students and parents become clients and/or customers and/or products. Teachers and other public school staff are described in ways that boil down to something like Eduproduct Delivery Specialists.
Thank y’all for your comments and keeping it real—not Rheeal.
😎
“…students and parents become clients and/or customers and/or products. ” Ah, yes. I am glad I was terminated before I got defined as “human capital.”
KTA,
•Is there a distinction between rheeformistas and rheeformsters? Just noticed rheeformistas; it’s new to me.
•Your penultimate paragraph is just what Cami Anderson does in Newark. She speaks of customer service re parents registering children for school–IMO, that’s akin to returning a toaster oven at a discount store.
Ha! Silly educators who believe the American educational system is about teaching knowledge rather than provide cover for a system that sustains class lines by cloaking it in merit.
Have you ever considered that the “no excuses” charter schools movement isn’t actually a knowledgable scam, but that its leaders are actually giving their students what they took away from their own education (do well on tests, do better than everyone else, do what your told and earn prizes – like a new car on their 17th birthday – and value yourself by the college you get into even if you’ve learned nothing)
I’d bet that what SAT predicts best is David Coleman’s future salary.
Student scores on any standardized tests are not predictors of any future success. How do you define “success?” My behavior today is no predictor of my behavior tomorrow. There is NO WAY to predict success (whatever that means) or behavior of human beings. We also cannot measure “human potential” on any scale. It’s patently absurd to believe we can.
From “A DAMthology of Deform”
“Silly Attitude Test”
I know her 2.7 percent
We plan to tie the knot
Relationship is heaven sent
Her SAT is hot!
“The Bell Curve Boys”
The Bell Curve Boys
Just love the tests
Like favorite toys
They tout their bests:
“A perfect score on SAT
Is what I got in school, you see
And how successful I’ve turned out
The test tells all, there’s little doubt”
“The Colemanbot”
Designed in a lab at MIT
The Colemanbot for SAT
Unequaled for the standard test
Can beat Commander Data’s best
Can’t believe you’re giving away your DAMthology for free. I would happily pay for it. So, since you didn’t give me that option, I just donated to NPE in your honor instead.
I am honored.
An excellent cause.
Thanks
good one, Poet.
The “trouble” with this is that this is scholarly research.
The moneyed interests have no interest in that.
ONLY in the bottom line which in their myopic view is money, short term profits.
For decades, arts educators have pointed with misplaced pride at the relatively high SAT scores of students who have taken at least three or four years of art in high school. This relationship of SAT scores to course taking has served as a tool for advocacy of more arts education.
Of course the proportion of high schools where consecutive years of study in all of the arts is not huge, and advocates rarely identify the particular art forms and studies associated with high SAT scores. And I have never seen comparisons of the SAT performance of students who have taken arts courses compared with other patterns of course-taking.
I just downloaded the College Board Total Group Profile Report for 2014, the most recent available. If you are hankering for high SAT scores here are some things you can do to get yourself there.
First, get yourself some parents who are “White,” or Asian, Asian American, or Pacific Islander. Make sure they have a graduate degree and an income of more than $200,000.
Then go to an independent school where you can study Latin and/or Chinese, British Literature, European History, Physics, Calculus, Computer Programing, Theater and Music theory/appreciation (not performance). You can study other things, but these are the “best in class” for getting a high SAT score.
Study all of these subjects for multiple years and take advanced placement courses galore.
As a final touch, aspire to a doctoral degree and choose a major based on how you score on the SAT. That means math and statistics if you get the highest SAT score in math. It you score at the highest levels in critical reading and writing, get yourself a major in “Multi-Interdisciplinary Studies.”
Among the intended college majors for this cohort of tests takers, 19% wanted to major in Health Professions and related Clinical Services; 12% wanted to major in Business Management, Marketing, and related Support Services; 10% selected an Engineering major; 7% intended to major in Biological an Biomedical Sciences, 7% intended to major in the Visual or Performing Arts; 5% intended to major in Psychology. Only 4% expected to major in Education.
About 2% of the SAT test takers are planning to enroll in a Certificate or Associate degree program a trade or personal services occupation.
The College Board CEO is the same person who takes credit as the architect of the Common Core State Standards, with two subjects proposed as if sufficient for college and career readiness. To that we can say, the SAT scores tell a different and well-established story about priviledge and opportunity to learn.
Thank you Laura for facts that substantiate objectively many of the comments such as those of Tim. Somewhere above, a mention was made of definitions of terms. I think defining ‘success’, and also ‘elitist,’ is important to the conversation.
‘Success’ is elusive, and can mean to one graduate that they will become an educator, maybe one like Joseph Stiglitz or Laura Chapman, or a worker in a developing country to eliminate ebola, and to another it means being a billionaire like Tilson, Gates, Broad, or Anshutz. Success, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As to ‘elitist’…the hue and cry from many here is that there is the availability of equally good education at any venue of higher education. I wonder? During the McCarthy/HUAC era many of the finest scientists in the world were drummed our of U. of California for their political positions…most refused to sign loyalty oaths. And for decades the system suffered from their loss in teaching science.
I attended a U of C university scores of years ago, and even then the competition was fierce in the public university. Today, Cal Berkeley and UCLA are ranked at the top tier of public universities…and they take only the highest ranking students…yet in reality many of these must take remedial English as freshmen.
In the last few years, the U of C Board of Regents, run not be an academic president, but rather the past head of Homeland Security, decided that they wanted more money so they proclaimed that 40% of students must be out of state and out of country so that the tuition fees would be almost doubled. The Regents are composed of billionaires, like Richard Bloom, now a munitions manufacturer who is Senator Diane Feinstein’s husband, and members of the wealthiest most powerful law firms in the world. Does the particular mix of leadership make this public university ‘elitist’?
Also, with the plethora of Nobel Prize Winners who teach at U of C campuses, does that make this public university system “elitist”? This term is tossed around here about the Ivy Leagues which allow people like George Bush to be legacy students. So should the case be made that since the private schools take C and D students, they are not elitist?
I’m sure you all get my point….too many dichotomies to assign to these two terms, success, and elitist.
I’m not sure if you’ve hear dd of Niche.
https://niche.com/
The people at Niche claim to have objective rankings for the “best” cities and schools and weather, and on and on.
You’ve pretty much described how Niche ranks school districts.
If a district has high SAT/ACT scores, pushes AP courses, has students who aspire to “elite” colleges, then it gets ranked highly.
Addendum: GPA predicts future GPA to some extent, but not what people end up doing in life or how good they are at doing it.
This is an especially helpful post for we parents with young children. Now when the time comes for my child to take the SAT I will not sweat it nor will my child. I attended a state school. I purposefully chose a less prestigious college because I never wanted to be saddled in debt. I graduated with a 3.5 grade point average and almost always received A’s and B’s in my college classes. My SAT score in high school was only mediocre however today I own my own business and teach college courses part time. I’m doing things I never dreamed of.When I was younger I did not buy into the hype around SAT scores or prestigious colleges. I always knew I was capable of more than what my high school or college counselors assumed of me. My ”screw them” attitude paid off in the long run. To get through the BS you really need to learn how to say , “Screw it and Screw them!”, because they will try to intimidate you.
roxanne:
You lay out what is a very important piece of the problem’ too many educators – administrators, teachers, guidance counselors – are either unaware of the research on the ACT, SAT and Advanced Placement, or they choose not to believe it. They just go along with the flow.
High school grade point average is a pretty good predictor of ‘success’ in college. And un-weighted GPA is the best. As a comprehensive study of the U-Ca system found, a high school grade point average “weighted with a full bonus point for AP…is invariably the worst predictor of college performance.”
But – in a perverse twist – the College Board, producer the PSAT, SAT, and Advanced Placement courses and tests, now recommends that schools “implement grade-weighting policies…starting as early as the sixth grade.”
The SIXTH grade! Doesn’t that sound kind of – well, stupid? I’d argue that it’s educational fraud.
But let me assure you, plenty of educators and parents buy into it.
“High school grade point average is a pretty good predictor of ‘success’ in college. And un-weighted GPA is the best. As a comprehensive study of the U-Ca system found, a high school grade point average “weighted with a full bonus point for AP…is invariably the worst predictor of college performance.”
Can someone tell me how a “weighted” GPA is the worst predictor, but removing one point from the GPA makes it a “pretty good predictor?”
Reblogged this on Ogo Okoye-Johnson and commented:
Parents who are the financial consumers of SAT and ACT and their accompanying products/services should be informed of such studies so that they can advocate for their children effectively!
Ogo…your book looks like a wonderful lesson in life. Just bought it for my 5 year old grandson. Enjoyed your website.