EduShyster, aka Jennifer Berkshire, interviews political economist Gordon Lafer in this post. He explains the role of corporate education reform in a broad economic and political context. This is one of the most enlightening interviews she has conducted. I urge you to read it.
She asks Lafer whether Walmart is helping poor kids get a better education by swelling the coffers of the Walton Family Foundation, which generously funds charters and vouchers across the nation.
He replies:
First of all, the thing that correlates most clearly with educational performance in every study is poverty. So when you look at the agenda of the biggest and richest corporate lobbies in the country, it’s impossible to conclude that they want to see the full flowering of the potential of each little kid in poor cities. To say *I want to cut the minimum wage, I want to prevent cities from passing laws raising wages or requiring sick time, I want to cut food stamps, I want to cut the earned income tax credit, I want to cut home heating assistance. Oh but, by the way, I’m really concerned about the quality of education that poor kids are getting*—it’s just not credible. You’re creating the problem that you now claim to want to solve….Walmart has no trouble filling positions and operating with very high turnover because what’s demanded of people who work there is so little. They’re certainly not asking *where are we going to find more people who can do algebra and craft well-written paragraphs? In fact, the big problem with the *send every kid to college* argument is that there aren’t jobs for these kids after they graduate. You cannot find an economist who predicts that more than one-third of jobs in the US are going to require a college degree in our lifetime. The real question is not how can everybody be a college graduate, but how can people make a decent living. And here is where you see that the same corporate lobbies that are pushing education reform are doing everything possible to make that harder.
EduShyster pushed Lafer to explain how the corporate reform agenda made sense–especially the combination of budget cuts for the public schools combined with tax cuts for corporations. Lafer answered:
I think the direction that the most powerful forces in the country is pushing is a bleak and frankly scary one—that at some level they want us to forget the idea of having a right to a decent public education, which is one of the last remaining entitlements, and make it more like health care, which is increasingly seen as a privilege. What’s being done to schooling is, I think, devastating on its merits. It has ideological implications for lowering expectations for what you have a right to as a citizen or a resident. And it raises big, profound questions: How does your experience in school affect, not just your skill set for employment, but your sense of yourself as a person and what you think you deserve from life? I think that for the real one percent, the big political challenge is *how do we pursue a policy agenda that makes the country ever more unequal and that makes life harder for the vast majority of people without provoking a populist backlash?* One of the ways of doing that is by lowering people’s expectations, and one of the key places to do that is in the school system.
The good news is that the interview ends on a hopeful note. We can’t abandon hope, because if we do, we are lost from the get-go. We must believe that a political awakening will happen if we work hard enough to make it happen, and that the Robber Barons will be tamed. American history runs in cycles, historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., argued, and we must not give up believing that we can make change. Because we can.

Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Texas Education.
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Great content, sobering, sensible, and scary. But I agree that the better our understanding of the scope of the problem, and the double speak, the greater the prospect for a backlash, even if not right away.
The CCSS are a clear case of dumbing down the education of this generation. A triumph of hype over wisdom, experience, research, and even common sense…
Good god, Kindergarten kids being judged college and career ready or not.. The absurdity is just mind boggling. It is even mind boggling for grade 4, and 8. It is also true that many students who pass courses and graduate..are never as certain about what life offers and requires as this crazy agenda assumes.
As John Gardner put it: Life is learning to draw without an eraser. It certainly is not about passing tests of academic knowledge, or the version of “academic” knowledge valued in the CCSS.
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Wowzer comment. I agree. I have another term for CCSS.
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It’s impossible to conclude that they(Wal-Mart) want to see the full flowering of the potential of each little kid in poor cities.
I think you are right!
How about the full flowering potential of EACH KID IN RURAL FARM AREAS?
Budget cuts for the public schools.
I noticed Florida has increased public funding the last four years in gross budget and amount per student.
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One of the problems in Florida and many other states is that public funding for education often winds up in the hands of mismanaged charters and vouchers to religious schools.
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Often winds up in the hands of mismanaged charters.
Please be so kind as to the specifics of mismanaged Florida charters. In Florida miss managed charters don’t stay in business remember there is risk involved in forming a charter school. That is why most don’t open as scheduled.
In Florida the money follows the student,
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The largest charter company in Florida, Academica, is under investigation: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1963142.html
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Threatened out West
Thanks
Do you have an up date on Federal investigation?
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And then there are vouchers for religious schools.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-school-voucher-lawsuit-20140828-story.html
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One of the worst parts of oppression is mind control. The billionaires with their vast wealth and influence control much of the legislature, the courts and ,sadly, too many elections. Here in Florida where Rick Scott has never been admired or loved, he was able to win reelection by the sheer force of his negative ads and the gullibility of too many Floridians Ordinary citizens need to learn how to tune out the negative distorted nonsense, think critically and vote for candidates that have the best chance of looking out for the interests of average citizens. Unless a significant number of Americans start thinking independently, billionaires will steam roller over Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid.and quality preschool. They will laugh all the way to the bank as they dismantle public education.
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This may not be directly relevant to the article above but I have to get it out! I read in the paper again today about the dire condition of the New Jersey pension fund. The same circumstances apply to many state pension funds throughout the country.
The federal government was “johnny on the spot” to bail out banks, insurance companies, car manufacturers, etc. Where are they now when the state pension funds need bailing out? Not even a peep!
They had plenty of money for Iraq, Afghanistan, and strikes against terrorists in foreign lands but again not even a mention of supporting state pensions in their time of crisis!
It appears that the only thing the federal government is willing to give to the middle class is disdain and bullsh*t! http://wsautter.com/
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…and the worst on the pensions is that they were raided. The workers paid, and the politicians raided and didn’t make mandated/required contributions, and NOW blame the workers for these circumstances and paint them as greedy. In NJ, it isn’t the bloated salaries of Christie’s cronies, or the tax deals (like the one struck with Revel, which went bankrupt)…no, its the greedy public workers. My husband works for a huge company, in the warehouse, and he is not only begrudged a 5cent per hour raise, but his pension is also underfunded, while the CEOs rake in million dollar bonuses. Its what is wrong with the world.
I don’t need much, and I don’t live in luxury; but I’d hate to wind up out on the street because of Wall Street shenanigans.
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I read the same thing walt and it is worrisome. I looked at some of the comments on nj.com and had to stop because I was getting so upset.
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About those commenters – it is indeed worrisome. Just when we most need well educated people who are able to think for themselves instead of parroting some talking point, education is being sabotaged.
Coincidence? Not likely.
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My 6th grader has an engageNY Common Core worksheet for homework.
I’m glad Ohio is using the NY CC rather than spending our dwindling public school allotment inventing one, but I think it’ll be pretty funny if the entire country adopts New York’s version of the Common Core.
At least it’s free. Well, unless you live in NY I guess 🙂
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Walton family fortune — very wealthy — must mean they have the answer.
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Of course they have the answer (on how to get more government monies for their own pockets.) We already subsidize their business–they see green in private schools, while painting themselves as saviors of the urban kids.
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Reposting my comment on Edushyster:
“And it raises big, profound questions: How does your experience in school affect, not just your skill set for employment, but your sense of yourself as a person and what you think you deserve from life?”
Damn, an economist bringing in Foucault’s concept of subjectivization. What is the world coming to? Maybe, just maybe the tide is turning against the edudeformer monster!
I owe you a beer on that one Jennifer.
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If TE were around, this is where he would note that economics is above all the study of behavior — what choices people make, why they make them, what reasons or rationalizations they use, how different systems shape all of this. Not so far afield from Foucault.
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Actually it is quite the opposite in that Foucault looks to see how various practices have evolved over time, what the conditions, social practices and institutions, languages, etc. . . were that allowed each “episteme” (paradigm) to flourish at a given point in time and continue to evolve. And then how that episteme then could/can effect the various individuals at various time. Foucault did not limit his studies to just (yes, just in the sense of simply or barely enough) economics. It is a lot more complete, thorough and complex way of viewing not only how people “produce” society but also how society “produces” the individual.
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That sounds about right. It’s certainly consistent with what I recall of my mental processes when reading Foucault: It’s one thing, and then actually it’s quite the opposite. He had a large brain.
A long time ago, I think, I reached an informal understanding with myself that I would limit my statements about Foucault to a maximum of one superficial statement. I’ve already exceeded that, plus you just said “episteme,” so I’m going to just slink off quietly before things get ugly.
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One good book to help understand what he has explicated in his works is “Politics Philosophy Culture: Interviews and Other Writings 1977-84”, edited by Lawrence D. Kritzman.
These then would be towards the end of his life and therefore allows him to further explain his earlier thoughts.
One part that I especially like is where some Maoist interviewers attempt to get him to say the things they want to hear and he shreds them.
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Gordon Lafer is no ordinary economist.
And unfortunately, notwithstanding claims to the contrary coming from economists, most economists actually don’t study human behavior.
If they did, they would study fraudulent behavior which, by and large, they do not, as pointed out by William Black (who is also no ordinary economist) in Economics could be a science if more economists were scientists
“here is the real takeaway about economists and their pretensions to be scientists. The Fed employs hundreds of economists who are supposed to study important economic developments. There were no more important micro-foundational developments than the three mortgage fraud epidemics and the hyper-inflated bubble that they produced. The Fed’s economists, according to the authors of the study I have been discussing, failed to study the four developments that were about to cause a catastrophe. To make it worse, only the Fed had the authority under the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act of 1994 (HOEPA) to ban all liar’s loans and the Fed held a series of hearings mandated by Congress at which there was extensive testimony about liar’s loans. The Fed’s economists, therefore, should have made studying the three mortgage fraud epidemics and the resultant bubble their highest research priority. That’s what scientists would have done.”
But those studies would have produced results that would have devastated the dogmas that rule the Fed’s economists. The effectiveness of those ideological blinders in preventing serious research on the frauds by the Fed’s economists continues to this day. This is a very old story.”
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Poet,
Federal economists were politicized, at about the same time, other branches of government experienced the creep of patronage appointments. Government personnel, once respected for experience and merit, were forced to appease corporations and find jobs for campaign fund-raisers, e.g. FEMA and Katrina.
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I’m with FLERP! When people start throwing around words like “episteme,” I am ready to find a dark corner. My online dictionary doesn’t even have it! After consulting a hold-in-your-hands dictionary, I’m guessing it shares its roots with epistemology. A too early an intro to philosophical “isms” garbled my brain.
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2o2t,
Episteme roughly = paradigm with your thought of episteme having the same root as epistemology in that it is meant to signify the “truths/knowledge” of an age, location, practice and/or area of study along with all the social “forces” that come together to allow that mode of thought to be and then how that mode of thought “produces” people and how they view themselves. From my limited reading of Foucault his concept of “Power” is intertwined with espisteme.
episteme
In Plato’s terminology episteme means knowledge, as in “justified true belief”, in contrast to doxa, common belief or opinion. The word epistemology, meaning the study of knowledge, is derived from episteme.
paradigm
1. technical
a typical example or pattern of something; a model.
“there is a new paradigm for public art in this country”
synonyms: model, pattern, example, exemplar, template, standard, prototype, archetype
“why should your sets of values be the paradigm for the rest of us?”
a worldview underlying the theories and methodology of a particular scientific subject.
“the discovery of universal gravitation became the paradigm of successful science”
2. a set of linguistic items that form mutually exclusive choices in particular syntactic roles.
“English determiners form a paradigm: we can say “a book” or “his book” but not “a his book.””
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Basically, how the prevailing model of truth/knowledge/accepted belief molds how, not only the individual but society as a whole, interact with his/her/their environment. Yes? Don’t ask me to put it in philosophy speak. A-r-rgh!
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Very nice explanation 2o2t!!
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“Power” is intertwined with espisteme.”
How does your experience in school affect…
A raving mad and somewhat slightly dazed example:
Creating differences where none exist. Conditioning youngsters to
view similar youngsters as an adversary or rival. Most often, a joint
effort or team is formed, to show these “heathens” who the boss is.
What starts as child’s play (when I was a child, I spoke as a child…)
carries through to “adulthood”. Useful as a national distraction-
pastime, “keep your eye on the ball”, and military applications.
Once conditioned to view your “fellow” as NOT you, the die is cast.
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What we need is a total stampede away from the deep and most disgusting repression surrounding CCSS and high-stakes testing. Can’t make a silk purse out of sow’s ears.
OPT OUT! Remember the Chinese saying: Drinking poison to quench thirst. This is what Dr. Yong Zhao said in an interview I did with him regarding what’s going on re: educating our young.
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Yes, we know this already. What good does it do to know it? On a personal level, you can move your family (and maybe some friends) to a free country. Mel Gibson’s father moved his family from America to Australia to avoid the Vietnam war. That would be a good place to live. I think we can all agree that America is not going to be a nice place to live in the future. Take your knowledge and make a bold move. Find the strength that your ancestors had when they moved to this backwater swamp. Time to move on.
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Mike,
Australia may require better vetting.
We all understand the despair, in watching our country become an oligopoly. And, we admire those, in the valiant fight, for U.S. democracy.
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Much – perhaps most – of what we do in the name of education “reform” is silly.
It makes no sense. It has no sound basis in research.
For example, in the interview, Gordon Lafer says this:
“the big problem with the ‘send every kid to college’ argument is that there aren’t jobs for these kids after they graduate. You cannot find an economist who predicts that more than one-third of jobs in the US are going to require a college degree in our lifetime.”
And yet, we are pushing more college graduation. And we’re pushing STEM, even though there’s a glut of STEM workers. And, we still emphasize goofy tests like the ACT and the SAT, mostly so kids can “prepare” themselves for college.
Far too many education “leaders” have gone along with – promoted – the nonsense.
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“Far too many education “leaders” have gone along with – promoted – the nonsense.”
They seem to be happy to “take a spin on the hamster wheel of knowledge” rationalizing the “social fairness network” of the
problem/solution peer pressure compliance programming.
Peachy keen as long as the pay/status goes on. Whoops, now we see
this as the transfer from the many to the few.
I suspect this is a Government Issue (GI). If the Government can
make you, it can ALSO break you.
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