Barbara Torre Veltri is a professor at Northern Arizona State University who has mentored many TFA students. She wrote a book about TFA called Learning on Other People’s Kids: Becoming a Teach for America Teacher.
She wrote the following comments on a recent article about TFA:
1. The CEOs from TFA are not speaking the truth when they say that they only
fill slots where there are teacher shortages.
What happens is this: superintendents (many graduates of the Eli Broad
superintendent’s academy) terminate veteran teachers in Detroit, Kansas City,
Newark, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and then note that there is a teacher
shortage….its one that they created.
2. It’s been documented for several years, in the language of Multi-year
contracts, that districts who hire,and then are billed by TFA, set aside
positions across all subject areas, even those that are not traditionally hard
to fill such as,math and science positions.
TFA bills districts annually, in the millions.
3. The collective research, blogs, first-person accounts (YouTube and Internet),
articles and publications not managed by TFA network alliances, has been ignored
(squelched, buried, met with an avalanche of TFA directed PR), but cannot be
silenced totally, because of social media and the saviness of young people to
communicate with each other.
4. It takes a groundswell movement of those that are new to this information,
to collectively coalesce.
And while, change may be slow to occur, as Harvard and other universities are so
entrenched with Teach For America, that their university presidents serve on
TFA’s national board, most over or approaching 60something leaders, are
out-of-touch with the collective force of young people who organize.
5. For over a decade, researchers (including myself), corps member and alumni,
have singled out TFA’s preparation model, as one that needed to be fixed.
But TFA redirected criticism to the teaching profession,in general.
The non-profit spends twice as much in marketing and public relations, as they
do in preparation of their corps members as noted on their tax returns.
6. Pouting that TFA was attacked, by Linda Darling Hammond and others who had
the courage to publicly question the use of public dollars to fund America’s
teaching corps, TFA founder, Wendy Kopp wrote in her (2003) book, “I knew we
needed to find allies to support TFA.”
If the TFA organization was not acting like a rebellious teenager, thinking that
a) they knew it all, b) viewing suggestions as reprimands, and c) isolating
themselves and never actually listening to what the other side had to say,we
could’ve worked together to make basic changes that would at least not place,
mostly naïve, pre-novitiates in high poverty elementary and middle school
classrooms, where the effects of poor teaching on one’s educational foundation
are most profound.
7. While I am not certain that Teach For America listens to anyone, I do know
that young people, in colleges, listen to each other.
Last month, a father of a May Georgetown grad happened to mention that his
daughter was accepted into TFA, but declined their offer to teach in the
Mississippi Delta.
She was not prepared to teach, had never been to Mississippi, and her friends’
convinced her to reject TFA and opt to work in Manhattan.
TFA states, on its website, that it accepts only 14% of its applicants, which
makes them more competitive than Harvard or Princeton.
I’d like to know how many applicants seem to fit this growing trend: apply,
then, decline TFA’s offer.
A reporter’s daughter in New York City said “No, I’m not going to St. Louis with
Teach For America; I will finish my traditional program, and be a fully
prepared teacher.
A North Carolina graduate said, No,I’m not going to Houston to teach 7th grade
math, I never took a math course.
A California senior, whose parents are teachers, said, “No, thanks,TFA, I’m
won’t go to New Orleans to teach high school English. I intend to work on an
international project in-line with my training.
A midcareer male from Atlanta said no to Teach for America, after he researched
the level of pressure evident during the interview process, and in reviewing the
expectations during TFA’s five-week training, which he figured was not going to
prepare him to teach adequately. He opted instead to earn his credential through another pathway, and remain in
the profession.
8. And finally and more importantly, is the question surfacing now by the
students themselves, who have experienced schooling, content, and curriculum
presented by Teach For America teachers. Are the experiences offered to all
children, fair, appropriate, enriched?
Or, are students of TFA teachers presented with scripted, test focused
worksheets?
Teach for America’s Corps member teachers are quick to note, that full
compliance to an outcome model, through standardized assessments, was tantamount
to proving student success, and their own worth, as a TFA corps member
Even if students could not “demonstrate” success, through day-to-day performance
tasks such as reading, writing, reasoning, and communicating, they were expected
to prove something on a test, which was, and remains, the only
“reliable”measure.
Corps members, over multiple years, have and continue to admit, that they were
never adequately trained in how to teach, yet they were schooled in the
importance of reporting student assessment data, even if they had no baseline
data from which to assess student growth.
9. As this article points out, students schooled by Teach For America teachers
are beginning to question why they were assigned TFA teachers, why the principal
didn’t make this information known to students and parents, and, and (as noted
by the college student from North Carolina remarks) why she was not prepared for
college, nor career, by her TFA teacher, and why this is acceptable policy.
There’s much research and anecdotal evidence from corps members who have share
similar comments to this one:
“You start to recognize during training, or within the first two months, that
this is not really teaching.”
Barbara
Northern Arizona University
College of Education
Associate professor

She’s from NAU – Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff – not ASU. Although our larger brethren (U of A, ASU) get more publicity, at least grant the poor Lumberjacks this one tiny bit!
And I agree with her 100%! I always appreciate her measured, thoughtful pushback against the cult of TFA.
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TFA serves little purpose other than undermining the teaching profession, padding resumes and erasing loans. In its place, Doctors For America and Attorneys For America should be established. I am available to serve on the boards based on my cursory knowledge of both medicine and law.
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Wow! The deeper you dig, the more horrifying it gets! With the level of advocacy needed these days, it’s a wonder where I’ll find time to write lesson plans.
http://www.thenation.com/article/186481/what-happens-when-you-criticize-teach-america#
http://www.thenation.com/article/181751/what-happens-when-your-teacher-robot
Click to access Tuck-Money-Flowchart-4.pdf
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There was never any real teacher shortage to begin with, and therefore TFA had no reason whatsoever to exist in the first place.
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From the blog of Gary Rubinstein, a guest posting of 2/22/2014, “Guest Post Series. Part One: How Interning for TFA Convinced me of its Injustice”:
[start excerpt]
It is now my senior year of college. The woman who had been my manager has moved to another department within TFA, and on August 1st I got my first recruiting email from my Bryn Mawr’s new lead recruiter. She has sent me some of the most worrisome and disturbing emails I have ever received. TFA has responded to the valid, well-articulated articles by former corps members critiquing TFA that went viral several months ago by telling me their words aren’t valid because they weren’t in the right “corps member mindset.” TFA has tried to convince me to support their efforts by buying a shirt from J. Crew. TFA has tried to convince me to apply to the program by bribing me with a holiday gift. I have not responded to these emails.
[end excerpt]
Link: http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2014/02/22/guest-post-series-part-one-how-interning-for-tfa-convinced-me-of-its-injustice/
(I urge viewers of this blog to read the entire piece.)
Just look at the phrase “right corps member mindset.”
Then look at the above posting on this blog.
‘Nuff said.
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It’s like a sorority.
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Joanna Best: you do realize that by comparing TFA to a sorority, you are making sororities look bad?
Rheeally!
And really!
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Hate is a strong word. I rarely use it. However, I apply it to TFA with all my heart and soul. I doubt for a second that Her Koppness ever intended TFA to be anything more than what it, at its evil core, is.
To run a non-profit and salary yourself at $400,000 annually is shameful. To willingly send “corp members” (a misnomer if there ever was one) into areas where REAL teachers are being fired so you can stay in business is sickening.
To continually money grab from my taxes while tax evaders are throwing you fundraisers…well what can I say about that?
The worst is how Wendy and her spin doctors hold real teachers in contempt and beneath them and continue to spew their lies to perpetuate TFAs existence.
Second worst is how she maintains a steady stream of inadequate scabs into her husband’s charter, Kipp, denying impoverished children of proper educations.
You know what? There is nothing, absolutely zero, positive that I can write about TFA. The corporations and colleges who fundraise for this scam artist are just as guilty in the charade that has been played through America.
TFA makes me vomit. Maybe the kids at the colleges Wendy preys on will wise up. If there are no scabs, there can be no TFA. But wait, isn’t TFA hiring undocumented illegals in … is it Colorado? What is next for TFA? It will do anything to keep itself in business, except advocate for what is right and just.
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Notice how they squirm when their claims of superiority are challenged! Also, when they ridicule other teachers based on VAMsanity, they scream bloody murder when the same metrics are used on them! They do not stand up under similar scrutiny and act like the petulant children they are.
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What happens to a TFA Corps Member who questions the party line?
Read this:
http://www.progressive.org/news/2013/09/184340/why-teach-america-kicked-me-out
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JAY SAPER:
“It was not until I asked why Teach for America was strikingly absent from the countless community demonstrations for schools I attend each week.
“Concerns only materialized when I asked why my body was being used to dismantle the Philadelphia public schools.
“Concerns only materialized when I asked to talk about fostering critical thinking, supporting students’ identities, and approaching the classroom with love, instead of merely discussing how to control bodies.
“Concerns only materialized when I refused to strictly follow the command ‘obedience leads to freedom.’ A phrase I will never bow down to for millions of my ancestors were brutally massacred in genocide waged under its translation: Arbeit macht frei.
“Concerns only materialized when they realized I refused to displace veteran teachers, disrupt community, and instill permanent instability, a feat they arduously worked to achieve by placing the rest of the Philly corps of over 100 in teaching positions despite layoffs of 1 in 5 veteran educators.
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Read the rest of the article
Just before being fired, he’s told by his non-educator
supervisor:
“Jay, your opinions need to remain silent.”
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“Obedience leads to freedom”. Doesn’t that sound as if it came straight out of 1984? That makes me shudder. It also makes me very, very angry.
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Two summers ago, Gary Rubenstein wrote his annual article
critiquing the methods and goals of the TFA Institute that was
currently in session. As Gary indicates, he has been
called a “bully” for doing this in the past, with TFA
officials discouraging CM’s from posting or even
reading Gary’s blog:
http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2013/06/22/those-teachers-are-failures/
The conversation includes a story of how TFA students—
most of them from privileged backgrounds—drive around
the poor neighborhoods like those seen on “THE WIRE”,
and observe the people the same way that tourists on the
Disneyland Jungle Cruise would observe the animatronic
animals and robot natives on display.
One thing that Gary found offensive was that the TFA
instructor on this “jungle cruise” commented
while observing the poor people on display…
homeless, addicts, etc.:
“Everyone you see was once someone’s student.’…
And those teachers (who once taught them) are failures.”
Wow! This set people off, as evidenced by the
COMMENTS section, which I’m excerpting here.
Maggie Peterson said that the TFA teacher who
said this “espouses what is, in my opinion,
a common TFA trope, that a real, caring, belief that your
students CAN do better makes them actually DO better.
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MAGGIE PETERSON:
“Even in TFA policy actions, standards are touted not as
a goal for student achievement, but as some magic tool
for attaining high student achievement. The idea that
students will achieve, or move out of the cycle of poverty
solely because of caring teachers and teachers who hold
students to high standards is also a belief that there is
little else to be learned about the doing of teaching.”
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Carol Corbett Burris blasts away
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CAROL CORBETT BURRIS:
“I am appalled to learn that TFA would
roll through any community pointing
out human beings as though they were tour guides
pointing out sites. It is an insult to the community,
perpetuates ‘us and them’ thinking, and reveals a
practice more suited for a cult than a teacher
preparation program.”
“When my husband was a teacher in Brooklyn,
on a few occasions he had students who
came to class less than 20% of the time and who did
no schoolwork, say to him ‘You failed me, Mister.’
I guess they heard the conversation on the TFA tour.”
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Karyn chimed in, adding that her “drive-arounds”
included a photographic “scavenger hunt”:
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KARYN:
“Coming from a non-TFA background, and
having certification, as well as being significantly
older than other teachers at my school, I found
myself quietly contemplating (TFA’s) many strange and
silly practices which were considered professional
development.”
“We too, drove around the impoverished area of our
school and had a scavenger hunt to identify various
things and take pictures. I found this odd and
insulting to the ‘native’ inhabitants of the area,
who looked strangely on groups of more affluent
white people stopping to take photos and jumping
back in there cars.”
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Mike Fiorello vents thusly,
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MIKE FIORELLO:
“What TFA should be saying during
those drive-arounds – where, presumably, the
windows are rolled-up and the doors locked tight while
they observe neighborhood residents as if they were
specimens – is that ‘everyone you see is an elected
official’s constituent, a citizen and human being, and
has been failed. And those officials and the people
who bankroll them are failures.’
“But TFA can’t say that, because to do so would
call into question its agenda and funding. So
instead, we get misdirection and scapegoating of
teachers, followed by attempts to remove the
statement when they were called on it.”
“This is an organization whose arrogance,
condescension, class antagonism and dishonesty
are in its DNA.”
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However, all of this pales in comparison the post
from a TFA teacher-in-training by the name of
“Lida Mery”, and her description of the TFA
Institute and her reasons for quitting today
typing away as she stares at her packed suitcase.
One week shy of completion of the five-week
institute, she today left the program in disgust, and
posted her story (it’s the 14th comment down
on the comments list):
http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2013/06/22/those-teachers-are-failures/
Here’s the text:
(NOTE: the first sentence is a little confusing, as one
might think that Lida is “teaching”—
i.e. one of the teachers—at the TFA institute;
on the contrary Lida is indicating that he is a
student/trainee where part of the training is
includes “teaching” a summer school class of
actual students)
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LIDA MERY:
“Mr. Rubinstein,
“I am currently a 2013 CM teaching summer
school at institute. I wanted to express how
much I appreciate your blog since you bring
critical insight into the workings of TFA that
are troublesome and/or need improvement.
“I am a non-traditional student (albeit only a few
years older than most CM’s). For a long time, I
had thought that teaching was that one elusive
career for me and I applied to TFA so I can make
that a reality. I did not apply under a pretense
like most CM’s who just want to embellish their
resume. I actually wanted to teach and make
a difference.
“In my hometown in FL, many teachers are being
laid off. This is where TFA comes in…many
teachers are being laid off, yet Miami Dade county
is hiring inexperienced college grads through their
TFA contract. It is wrong, I admit, but I went ahead
and subscribed to the unfair and unethical system.
“I was accepted into TFA and quit my job (my
permanent, full-benefits job that I was good at)
so as to attend induction and institute. In the
meantime, I spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars
on certification exam materials, review, supplies for
institute, professional dress, etc….over $1500.
“It seemed to me induction was a major time-waster.
Days ran from 8 AM to 8 PM and ALL discussions
dealt with race and class diversity. You had a bunch
of 22 year-old white, mid- to upper-class college grads
who were compelled to contemplate on their privileged
upbringing. I desperately wanted to start my teacher
training, but I was told to be patient.
“That is what institute is for after all. I paid my $500
ticket to institute and there I was.
“Yet, instead of actual teacher training, all we had
were grueling, exhausting, boot camp days where
the focus was on making us feel and act like fifth
graders. More race and class discussions followed
during the first week, followed by think pair share
partner discussions, silly games and then more
silly games.
“It was worse than a typical college atmosphere…
for non-traditional students it seemed unbearable.
“Nobody… none of the 22 year-olds EVER questioned
anything. Not because they were afraid of repercussions,
but because TFA is a cult and they were acting like
cult members. If anyone said ‘jump,’ they would promptly
follow. Not a day went by when we did not have big circle
hugs, chants, and motivational bits aimed at brainwashing
us even more than we were.
“Every day TFA used strategic behavioral techniques in
order to advance their brainwashing of CM’s. School
would end at 1 PM, but redundant lessons would run
until 5 PM, and before we could go back to the dorms,
the school director would extend our schedule by 20
minutes, during which time we would sit by the door
while little ‘Hot Wheels’ cars would be given to
‘outstanding’ CM’s.
“Then 10 more minutes of shout-outs aimed at
motivating us to get through institute.
“The sheer exhaustion was not really necessary. The
endless, redundant sessions on race and class did
not make us better teachers… I wanted to be lectured
on teaching, I wanted actual experience in teaching, rather
than little intimidating signs held up by our faculty advisor
or corps member advisor on how to ‘behavior narrate.’
“Yet all that was provided was game after game after
silly game.
“Our day would begin in our advisor’s room where we
would play little games, silly writes, draw pictures… etc. …
honestly I wanted to learn how to teach, I wanted to
prepare for my upcoming lesson, yet there I was having
to draw a silly picture so that TFA could teach us how
important it was for us to make teaching fun.
“They wanted us to start off the day for our students with
the same irrelevant fun stuff. Whereas I wanted to start
off the day by asking a critical question or journal entry
about the last lesson’s theme, I was strongly advised to
have fun kinesthetic activities for my students…that had
nothing to do with the concepts we were learning.
“But, yet again, no one questioned ANYTHING, not the
time-wasters, the schedule, the fact that we only had
4 hours of sleep max on many days even though we
were not really learning how to teach properly. I can
see why the brainwashing was effective.
“In essence, TFA stripped CM’s of choice, time, and
decision-making processes during institute so CM’s
became engrossed in the cult….the main line of
thinking was: ‘Well, if I can get through this, I can get
through my sole two years as a teacher.’
“TFA loves to talk about differentiated instruction,
they love to suggest kinesthetic and visual activities
for our students, yet when it comes to them practicing
differentiated instruction, they are lacking. The two
non-traditional members in my school group were
the only ones feeling hopelessly misunderstood during
sessions. We would question things, we would roll our
eyes at big circle hugs and chants and we would resent
the fifth race and class discussion at 4 PM in the
afternoon or the miniature car shout out at the end
of the day that would prolong our day by a considerable
amount.
“The typical CM’s thought we were crazy. Why would
we question things? Why would we not participate in
the 30 minute teacher stare contest at 5 PM on a
Friday (even though we had more important things
to do like grading, reading and planning)?
“Most of our corps member advisors were clones.
They were racially diverse but nevertheless they were
clones in their demeanor, personality, approach,
philosophy. We were supposed to be clones of each
other. About 90% of my fellow CM’s, though there
was some racial diversity, were in fact individuals
with privileged backgrounds.
“I only met a handful of education majors that wanted
to stay in teaching for the long run. Most saw TFA
as an adventure.
“Their first job out of college and an exciting one at
that! I am quitting TFA and the reason is not because
I am exhausted, not because I do not think I can be a
good teacher. My summer school students respect me
and actually listen to me (which can be a hard feat in a
Title I school). My lessons are engaging and focused.
“The reason why I am quitting TFA is because I cannot
and will not be part of a cult. I feel like I am treated
as a fifth grader and no importance is given to my
individuality, my suggestions, or needs. Even though
I executed my lessons much better than my fellow CM’s,
“I am quitting because TFA has made teaching horrible
in my eyes. They have denigrated the one profession
that I thought would be my long-lasting career.
“Even though I know I can be a good teacher, TFA has
left a sour taste in my mouth through its propaganda
and cult-like atmosphere. TFA has ruined teaching for
me. I don’t know how to get ‘it’ back. I am
disillusioned.
“While I used to love to give presentations at my prior
job, I have now come to loathe even speaking in front
of a group because TFA has made everything so
mechanical and lackluster. I no longer have any
passion for teaching. I do not enjoy it any longer.
“I feel that TFA, through its brainwashing methods, has
stripped me of my passion for teaching and my dreams.”
“I am certain that this would not have happened had I
gone through a serious, traditional teaching program.
“As I am writing this, I am looking at my one
suitcase neatly arranged and sitting my dorm
room floor. Early in the morning, I will be flying
back home. Yet, because of all the stigma
associated with quitting, I barely had any guts
to tell anyone, not even my closest friends here.
“Ethically, I also cannot bear to know that
traditionally-trained, veteran teachers are out of
jobs in my hometown and people like myself
(with no training or experience in education)
are next in line for their jobs.
“I have lost over $2,000 so far….I spent so much
on supplies, printer as I arrived at institute, I lost
my job, my dreams and my passion.
“All in 4 weeks of TFA-ness.
“Lida Mery”
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My recollection is that the “teacher shortages” that TFA purported to address were partly (maybe mostly) about quality, not quantity. That is, the idea that poor, urban districts had a shortage of teachers who were trained in pedagogy but lacked serious subject-matter knowledge, and that this problem was due to education schools, and that the solution was to break down barriers that prevented graduates with non-education degrees from teaching in public schools.
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Sorry, should read something like: “poor, urban districts *were full of* teachers who were trained in pedagogy” etc. The shortage being a shortage of teachers with History and English Lit etc. who had strong subject-matter knowledge, as opposed to teachers with useless education degrees. This is how I remember the discourse going in the 1990s when TFA was taking off.
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Those bogus claims were based on “A Nation at Risk” which the Sandia Report, as well as Berliner and Biddle, proved were groundless and ignored poverty. But TFA got props for putting people like Michelle Rhee, with a degree in political science and 5 weeks of summer school training, into a 2nd classroom, where political science is way down on the curriculum chart, if studied at all. Then, due to her lack of preparation in K-3 pedagogy and classroom management, Rhee had no idea how to deal with a classroom of low income 8 year olds and she put tape on their mouths to shut them up.
And that continues to be the corporate sponsored TFA/KIPP/military style charter school solution to poverty: prevent poor children from being able to speak.
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Sorry, meant 2nd Grade classroom.
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Sorry about the long posts… if you don’t like ’em, skip ’em.
Mercedes Schneider, knocked it out of the park
again with her perusing of the on-line chats that TFA
folks have with one another:
“WHAT TFA SAYS WHEN IT TALKS TO ITSELF”
There’s nothing said about how to best educate children,
or to improve the education of children. Much of it
is all about angling for six-figure jobs post-TFA…
either in the lucrative world of “corporate
educatin reform” or in private sector of
Wall Street, etc.
The thing that really jumped out was their
attack on Mark Naison’s article where he says
TFA is no longer welcome in his classroom.
When one TFA chats and belitles Mark
for being upset that Mark’s students
“didn’t make the cut”, that TFA-er means
that Mark is upset that Mark’s former students—
who spent years to obtain an Ed. degree
and who did months of student teaching—
are being passed over for teaching jobs
in favor of TFA’s with a scant 5 weeks
of dubious training
(For more on this “training”, see Lida Mery’s
account in the post above this, and the
account immediately BELOW contained
in this post)
Check out the nauseating elitism towards
non-Ivy League college students on
display—who all apparently attend the
mythical and stereotypically lousy
“Flalafel State College”,
or some other equally dismal
institution of higher ed.:
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TFA chatting on-line:
“All I hear from this article is “WAAAHHHHHH”.
He would rather have the bottom third of
Flalafel State College teaching in these schools,
than (TFA) Yale graduates, just because (TFA’s)
choose to go a different route in life after a
couple years in TFA. Oh yeah, and because
(Naison’s) students didnt [sic] make the cut, (get
hired, while TFA teachers were, ) he
is now butt hurt over it.”
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Wow… just wow.
If you wish to read Naison’s article that inspired
the “Flalafel State College” smear, go here:
http://www.laprogressive.com/teach-america/
However, it’s nice to see this refreshing
honesty (BELOW) from one TFA person who
chimes in about his experiences during TFA’s
their Summer Institute.
He clearly sees through all that is TFA,
but will stick it out because if he quits, there
will be a “stigma” on him that will negatively
impact his post-TFA future.. Note how
he debunks TFA’s “more successful or
as successful as veteran teachers claim”…
it’s all a test prep scame
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Another TFA chatting on-line:
“There’s a lot of truth in (Naison’s) article. I’m in the midst of my summer training for TFA now, and the vast majority of my (fellow TFA institute Corp Members-in-training) co-workers don’t REALLY care about these kids. It is a stepping stone, and a guaranteed job, by and large. I also have developed a tremendous amount of animosity towards the organization as a result of what I’ve seen in these past few weeks. This organization is NOT in it for the kids… it’s in it for the ‘Corps Members’ and their experiences.
“They have us teaching summer school after only have ONE WEEK of formal training. These kids are getting REAL grades in subjects that many of the teachers have no prior knowledge of. I, for one, typically learn the subject I’m going to teach the night before the lesson plan is due. It’s disgusting that these kids are used as our guinea pigs. Even the way their success is measured is a damn scam.
“They are given the final exam on the first day and given 30 minutes to complete it. For the remainder of summer school, we are then forced to teach our objectives to this specific test, and it is given again on the last day of classes.”
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Here’s where he blows the whistle on TFA’s claims of the growth their teachers get, the methods used to record and prove this alleged “growth”, and consequently what that “growth” really means:
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Another TFA chatting on-line:
“It’s disgusting that these kids (public school children taught in the Summer Institute by TFA institute teachers-in-training) are used as our guinea pigs. Even the way their success is measured is a damn scam.
“They are given the final exam on the first day and given 30 minutes to complete it. For the remainder of summer school, we are then forced to teach our objectives to this specific test, and it is given again on the last day of classes.
“(Public school children taught TFA institute teachers-in-training) are given 2 hours at this point to complete it after having been taught essentially identical questions the entire summer. The questions we give on the final is the EXACT SAME as the ones given on that 1st day too. It’s real easy to say that ‘little __________ made a 48 point gain in his subject’ when you have those particular conditions. The shit is sickening.
“I joined to try and do some genuine good, but this organization is no different than many of the private for-profit organizations. At least they’re honest with their intentions. I would leave after seeing this, but there’s too much of a social stigma attached for my professional ambitions to do it (i.e. quit TFA). smh.”
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Add also, are my tax dollars, given to TFA, then used by TFA to buy elections and have regulations turned to its favor? Like opting out TFA turds from Highly Qualified status? Are my tax dollars also used to grant forgiveness of student loans to the TFA scabs? I want a refund. The only person paying for my kid’s college….is me.
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Our federal tax dollars, that the Dept. of Education gave to Race to the Top (Ohio, R.I….) are going to TFA. Accountability for expenditures, unlikely.
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Q: Where did TFA go wrong?
Was it in trying to pass 300-dollar bills with a picture of Wendy Kopp on the front and “In TFA We Trust” on the back?
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What’s funny is that for all of the education profs caterwauling about TFA, not a one of them can point to a single study showing that TFA teachers do substantially worse on any dimension you can think of.
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W.T.,
Please excuse the caterwauling… ‘;-)
It took me but 30 seconds on Google to find this:
Click to access Heilig_TeachForAmerica.pdf
Here are a few excerpts of the statements you believe don’t exist:
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“The question for most districts, however, is whether TFA teachers do as well as or better than credentialed non-TFA teachers with whom school districts aim to staff their schools. On this question, studies indicate that the students of novice TFA teachers perform significantly less well in reading and mathematics than those of credentialed beginning teachers.” (p. 1 of the Executive Summary)
“TFA teachers’ effectiveness generally improved as they became more prepared. By the second year, when most were certified, negative effects disappeared for elementary math and middle school reading. However, TFA teachers continued to exert a significant negative influence on their students’ reading scores in the elementary grades.” (p. 6)
“Nonetheless, like the Boyd et al. study, this study found that, in math and reading, students of first-year teachers from TFA, the NYC Teaching Fellows, and other uncertified teachers did worse than those of first-year teachers who were ‘regularly certified.’ They also found that the negative effects were generally reduced or eliminated in math as teachers finished theirtraining and certification and gained experience. However, TFA teachers continued to have a negative effect on reading for two of three years, and the other uncertified groups (Teaching Fellows and others) continued to have a negative effect on reading for all three years.” (p. 6)
“This study compared TFA with non-TFA teachers and controlled for experience and certification status. Using both ordinary least squares regression and multi-level modeling, the authors found “no instance where uncertified Teach For America teachers performed as well as standard certified teachers of comparable experience levels teaching in similar settings. Uncertified TFA teachers had significant negative effects on student achievement for five of the six tests. (The sixth was also negative but not statistically significant.) On five of the six tests, the negative effect of having anuncertified TFA teacher was greater than the negative effect of having another kind of uncertified teacher, depressing student achievement by between half a month to 3 months annually compared with a fully certified teacher with the same experience working in a similar school.”(p. 6-7)
“Generally, the studies reviewed found that TFA teachers usually showed a positive impact on student achievement in mathematics relative to the comparison group only when they had obtained training and certification in their second and later years in the classroom. They rarely had a positive impact on reading achievement, and four peer-reviewed studies found novice TFA recruits to have significant negative effects on elementary students’ reading achievement compared with fully prepared teachers. These negative effects for TFA beginners extended to mathematics in three of the studies. Despite the decidedly mixed effects of corps teachers noted in the research literature, TFA continues to claim that, ‘Our corps members are as effective as, and in some cases more effective than, other teachers, including certified and veteran teachers.’ ” (p. 7-8)
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WT – Wendy, is that you?
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Key word in my post was “substantially.” None of the studies that Professor JVH cites claims anything more than an utterly minuscule difference.
So again, if 5 weeks of training is so much worse than education school, where is the evidence that TFA produces *substantially* worse outcomes? Nowhere.
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“Uncertified TFA teachers had significant negative effects on student achievement for five of the six tests. (The sixth was also negative but not statistically significant.)”
Or am I missing something?
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Sorry if my last comment seemed flippant, WT, but there are other areas where “significant differences” are cited. There’s another point which needs clarification, though:
I earned a 4.0 for my masters in special education. I worked my tail off to get that. We were trained to deal, specifically, with kids who had severe emotional and behavioral problems.
I ended up teaching inner city kids with this E.D. classification (we called it SIE VII) for 15 years.The training was invaluable. I used the techniques taught me on a regular basis. Worth every penny spent on the degree.
But nothing…NOTHING…prepared any of us for what we dealt with on a daily basis more than experience. It wasn’t until I’d had 3 years of on the job training that I REALLY started to get a handle on what I was doing and how to combine the socialization and educational tools I’d been taught to use. It took me that long to really understand and respect the children I was dealing with and their ability to survive under the harsh circumstances that they had to live with on a daily basis. To be able to communicate and reach the ones that I could.
You don’t see much of this in the TFA world. Most of it’s graduates leave after the 2nd or 3rd year.
Experience counts, WT. It’s so important. In every field. I really don’t get how anyone wouldn’t understand and acknowledge this point.
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In context, that means “statistically significant,” not “meaningful in real world terms.”
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Not sure what that means or what your point is…but, ok.
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No, gitapik, you were right to begin with, so don’t let WT’s aim of deprofessionalizing teaching and diversionary tactics discount the fact that five of the six tests ARE statistically significant.
Anyone with a brain can recognize the difference between a novice and an expert, but if not, they should look at expert-novice comparison research, because there are meaningful differences between those with expertise and neophytes, since it takes years of training and experience for experts to learn and hone their skills.
This applies no less to teachers than to other professionals. According to the Nation’s Report Card, “At grade 4, students whose teachers hold master’s degrees have scored higher than their peers whose teachers hold bachelor’s degrees in every assessment since 2005.”
Graph with comparison of reading scores shown here: http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2011/
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Graph with comparison of math scores shown here: http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/math_2011/
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Thanks, Cosmic Tinker. I was being polite. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt…even when every fiber of my being knows they’re way off the mark. You’ll never convince anyone of anything by bludgeoning them over the head. Just wanted to hear the person out.
I was trying to figure out what WT was saying with this:
“In context, that means “statistically significant,” not “meaningful in real world terms.”
…and realized that she/he is saying what I’m trying to get across: experience counts. In a big way. It’s going to be an extremely rare person who can, with 5 weeks training, walk into a classroom filled with children from a different economic and community culture (e.g. Darien, Connecticut walking into inner city New Orleans), spend 2 years there, and make any kind of meaningful impact “in real world terms”.
This is about getting cheap labor to read the script and then move on to make room for more cheap labor. This is about creating a lower class public education. I don’t have the quote handy, but this is about Paul LePage, governor of Maine, telling the kids that, if they want a great education: go to private school. Otherwise, “tough luck”…go to public school.
You won’t see Barak’s kids in a classroom with first, second, or third year TFA recruits. That’s a guarantee.
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I don’t think politeness is called for when someone is promoting the replacement of professionals with novices who have 5 weeks of training for our nation’s most disadvantaged children. TFA is just one more component of the neoliberal business plan to plunder public education to the benefit of the privileged and instead of addressing poverty.
When TFA went wrong was at the very beginning, while Wendy Kopp was still at Princeton and she referred to herself as “a corporate tool.” https://www.jacobinmag.com/2013/03/wendy-kopp-princeton-tory/
TFA is a political myth based on corporate lies and America has been sold a bill of bads ever since Kopp first heard ca-ching from monied interests.
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Gitapik — “statistically significant” just means that in statistical terms, one can confidently say that the effect is something other than zero. That does NOT mean the effect is actually “significant” in size, such that it has any real world meaning.
The analogy would be this: You go on a diet, and your doctor weighs you on a highly precise scale and says, “I can pronounce that with statistical significance, your weight has dropped by one ounce.” That means that he’s really confident that your weight dropped by one ounce. It does NOT mean that one ounce is a meaningful weight loss.
In this case, the most anti-TFA researchers out there can’t find any supposed TFA disadvantage that is any more substantial than that.
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gitapik, The National Center on Education Statistics, which analyzes the NAEP data I previously provided, states the following in their glossary under the terms “significantly different, statistically significant, statistically significant difference”
“Statistical tests are conducted to determine whether the changes or differences between two result numbers are statistically significant. The term “significant” does not imply a judgment about the absolute magnitude or educational relevance of changes in student performance. Rather, it is used to indicate that the observed changes are not likely to be associated with sampling and measurement error, but are statistically dependable population differences…”
e.g., population differences between students with teachers who have master’s degrees and students with teachers who have bachelor’s degrees –i.e., TFAers et al.
Read what the experts have to say and don’t trust anyone asserting that amateurs are good enough to teach our country’s most at-risk children.
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So we’re saying, WT, that there is no statistical information that will show any substantial difference between the outcomes of novice TFA recruits vs experienced teachers with masters degrees.
Although I disagree with this premise (are you reading any of these posts and their links?), let’s talk:
In my world, there’s nothing more important than direct experience. People can write up anything and show numbers until you can’t look at them anymore (which is where I am, at this point). But my direct experience of 22 years of teaching has shown me that there is no substitute for experience. None. It’s also shown me that working hard towards a masters degree in education was extremely beneficial and served me well in the classroom. I’ve been mentored and have mentored. It’s an effective and necessary process. Everybody benefits. Kids, teachers, and admins.
My direct experience has shown me that education is more than tests, reading, and numbers. It’s also about the socialization process. Children learn to interact effectively in the classroom which, in the end, will make them more effective, working in the community. Some more so than others…but what else is new? This is a major shortfall of virtual schools.
My direct experience has shown me that the vast majority of my colleagues are hard working, conscientious, and caring professionals doing a very hard job and doing it well, despite the intervention of non-professionals who seem to think that disruptive intervention is what’s best for us.
Why would I believe anything that flies completely in the face of what I’ve experienced, directly, through more than two decades of work?
What experience do you base your opinions on?
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gitapik. Sorry, for any confusion but I used a room mate’s computer for my last post and didn’t realize the sign in was not my own.
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Hooray!
Writers, young people and the parents who love them. These are the people who have the power to stop this attack on the future of our nation. Nobody listens to the teachers. Decades worth if propoganda have seen to that.
Great work, Barbara!
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