Politico.com reports that representatives of the BATs met with Secretary Duncan.
“BADASS TEACHERS OUT IN FORCE: Several hundred teachers, parents and students sang, danced and demonstrated outside the Education Department on Monday, protesting federal education reform under the Obama administration. The rally was hosted by the Badass Teacher Association. On the list of grievances: The Common Core, high-stakes testing and teacher evaluation reform. “Teachers’ voices have been absent from the shaping of education policy,” BAT founder Mark Naison told Morning Education. “These policies are stifling teacher creativity and driving good teachers out of the classroom.” An Education Department official said the agency worked with BAT to secure permits for their demonstration and federal officials met with group leaders to discuss their concerns.
– Later in the day, six demonstrators met for an hour with a handful of senior Office for Civil Rights staffers. Education Secretary Arne Duncan joined the second half of the group’s conversation. Marla Kilfoyle, a teacher who attended the meeting, said that the discussion was productive. “One of the really great questions [Duncan] asked was what role the federal government should play in all of this,” she said. “We told him that they have to give us control back of our community schools.”
– Matt Wolfe, an adjunct professor at Marshall and Ohio universities, was among a handful of higher education representatives at the rally. Wolfe said the federal government has overemphasized things like graduates’ earnings in evaluating institutions – much to the detriment of students. “If a university graduates someone like Henry David Thoreau, who’s living in a shack somewhere changing the world with his writing, he’s no longer deemed a success today,” Wolfe said.
– Education Department press secretary Dorie Nolt said, “While we may not agree on everything, we welcome the opportunity for dialogue with those who care about America’s students – and especially about how to support teachers during a time of rapid change. Secretary Duncan and his staff have spoken with more than 6,000 educators in the last year alone, and these conversations have had significant impact on policy. We are committed to continuing to listen, even when the conversation is difficult.”
My comment: Secretary Duncan met with only 6,000 teachers in the last year? That is about 110 teachers a week. That’s nothing to boast about. I have met with more than 50,000 teachers in the last year, and I am not Secretary of Education.

“I have met with more than 50,000 teachers in the last year, and I am not Secretary of Education.”
Yes, but he is not Diane Ravitch.
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Dienne: what you said.
The self-styled “education reformers” love numbers & stats. Okey dokey.
Arne Duncan: sees 6,000 teachers in a year. Diane Ravitch: 50,000 in a year.
“Men lie and women lie but numbers don’t.” [“Dr.” Steve Perry, “America’s Most Trusted Educator” {it has to be true; it’s in big letters on his website!}]
Mr. Secretary of Education, don’t you think that of all the instances of ‘save your tochus’ you could have put a few of your accountabully underlings to work, massaging and torturing these particular numbers and stats? You know, like using the word “average” but not specifying if it’s the mean, the median, or the mode? Or some data magic like 100% graduation rates—when only something like half or a little more of the initial 9th grade cohort actually makes it to graduation? Truncated graphs are fun too in a visually misleading kind of way.
Next thing you know you’re going to admit that suburban moms see more teachers in a year than you do.
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You may not be the Secretary of Education, but you certainly should be.
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Amen!
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Who thinks he will make any positive changes for our students based on this meeting? It’s all for appearances. I wouldn’t let Arne walk my dog. Who cares how many teachers he met?
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I agree, Linda…this was all for show! If Duncan TRULY CARED about our children in this country and their educations, he and Obama would have included teachers in this discussion from the very beginning–not brag about meeting with just 6,000 teachers after everything’s all said and done.
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But Oh how I wish Diane Ravitch WAS the Secretary of Education!!!
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No, you ‘re not Secretary of DOE….but you outta be!
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Diane – You may not be the Secretary of Education, but I’ll bet there are a lot of people who wish you were (myself included)!
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Ditto, Diane!! You n SHOULD BE our DOE Secretary!
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CORRECTION: You SHOULD BE our DOE Secretary!
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The numbers they spout are always funny. There were 10,000 comments on Common Core standards. Two sets of standards for 13 grades, so 26 levels of standards. That is less then 400 comments per subject per grade level. NYSUT alone has 600,000 members. Laughable
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…and from what affilation(s) were the teachers he met? TFA? TNTP? Charter schools? You know what? My biggest issues are TFA getting a leg up and back door deals and sending 5-weeks of training of “the best and the brightest” at the expense of our students and our certified/highly qualified teachers, and the proliferation of fly-by-night charter schools that also benefit from loopholes and back door deals; heck, the charters even get front door deals and aren’t held accountable to anyone. When the government stops funding TFA and charters, I’ll be satisfied.
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“Secretary Duncan and his staff have spoken with more than 6,000 educators in the last year alone…”
Note the word “educators” not teachers. Reformers are very clever when they craft their statements.
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I wonder if there is ONE teacher in American who is enthusiastic about his policies. One!
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We should do a search – Arnie’s got a Supporter! Only we need to specify that this should be a certified teacher.
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Jeb Bush found 4 so-called ‘teachers’ to feature in his pro-reform ads he ran here in Florida ’round the clock during our last legislative session.
Turned out 2 were married to legislators who were for the reform legislation and actually teach at charter schools.
One was an asst. principal who had family ties to the charter school company that ran her school.
The 4th, as I heard it, was a former teacher married to a legislator who supported the legislation.
So, could Duncan find supportive ‘teachers’? Yes, I’m sure their PR people could readily find people willing to sell their souls for money and fame who will say whatever they are told to say.
Our state head of the DOE is a former teacher who toes the Jeb Bush/ALEC reform line without question. You may remember her biggest misstep (after replacing Tony Bennett when he left in a cloud of scandal) was to accuse the mother of a dead child who sought to pass a law exempting sick and dying children from taking the FCAT test of being a political operative who was using her son’t death to be partisan.
Some people will do anything for a cause they believe in no matter the personal cost to their reputation, their soul, their mind, or their legacy. Not to mention the harm they cause others in their quests.
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How is Education Department press secretary Dorie Nolt defining “spoken with”? Would “spoken to” or “delivered a speech to” or “lectured to” be a more accurate statement?
Standing in front of a carefully chosen audience and reciting a speech to them isn’t the same thing as a genuine dialog where both sides have an equal amount of ample time to speak, listen and respond to each other, in a setting that is acceptable to all, with adequate notice beforehand so that every concerned group can be heard and represented.
How many people had the opportunity to speak with Duncan in THIS type of setting?
Also, look closely at the text of her remarks: Bolt said “Secretary Duncan and HIS STAFF”. Who is she counting as “staff” in this statement? 5 people? 25 people? 100 or more people?
6000 begins to sound somewhat paltry when you begin dividing it by any number.
Also, she used the word “educator” as opposed to teacher? Now, even the a Ord “teacher” would be suspect in this context as it would undoubtedly include TFA recruits, private and parochial school teachers and the “teachers” employed by charter “schools”.
But using the word “educators” is possibly even more dubious, given that Duncan and his direct reports might include people like Michelle Rhee, Melinda Gates, Whitney Tilson, Steve Barr, Eli Broad, Jeff Bezos, the guy who runs Netflix and the Walmart heirs as “educators” too.
What I’d really like to know is how many public school teachers has Arne Duncan sat down and directly engaged with in the type of dialog described above, since he’s been in office. Does anyone know the answer to that question?
Heck, for that matter, has President Obama ever ONCE done that with a group of public school teachers?
Can’t they just be direct and upfront? Do they think that they can “spin” the public that easily?
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“Do they think that they can “spin” the public that easily?”
Yes. And for the most part, they are correct.
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I am guessing none. What would Duncan want to talk to teachers about?
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Good for you Bat People! My upcoming book will have more talking points, specifics! http://www.wholechildreform.com
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I wish I had been able to stay long enough for that exchange, but Life Happens and I had to head out before then.
I know personally some of the teachers with whom Arne Duncan has “spoken;” some of them are Arne Duncan Teaching Fellows, and when they leave that fellowship they go and preach the Gospel of Arne far and wide and inflict it on schools and faculties. He hasn’t “dialogued” with them: he’s fed them Kool-Aid and sent them out with coolers full of the stuff for teachers and parents and PTA’s.
I would really like more specifics. Was the meeting recorded in any way? It should have been
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Yes, to crunchydeb and all.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/BadAssTeachers/ and read Mark Naison’s first hand account of the meeting.
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With respect, I left the NatBAT page some time ago and my state group more recently. I attended the March yesterday because I still agree wholeheartedly with the founding principles, and I was happy to find many like-minded folk among those in attendance, but….let’s just say the FB page has been another story and leave it at that.
I read instead the account at With A Brooklyn Accent. Thanks.
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Were the teachers he talked to all from charters? TFA? If he spoke to union members/experienced teachers, WAS HE LISTENING? I think not.
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No. No. Yes, union members, experienced teachers. We shall see.
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Ha! I read the whole BAT article. Good job!! I am glad that some of the officials seemed to truly be interested and understand some of the problems. Duncan’s remarks about special needs students are stunningly blind. I think he goes from place to place looking for people to agree with him, rather than listening to real teachers.
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This is all so surreal to me, hundreds of people from around the US had to rally at the DOE in DC in support of public education??? The irony. Adding a bizarre twist, the DOE secretary just dismissively pops in? He never scheduled a time to reach out and meet with this group, a group who had received a permit months ago?
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Duncan never scheduled a time, but other at the DOE did. BATS were not expecting to meet with/see Duncan, but they did.
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The things we have to do to make any headway at all.
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Read all of this, a minute by minute summary of the meeting.
Arne came to take the kids……NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Arne Duncan Drops in Unexpectedly on Meeting With BATS at US Department of Education Office of Civil Rights and Gets an Earful!
On July 28, 2014, following the BAT Rally outside the US Department of Education, a delegation of BATS went up to the Education Department’s Office of Civil Rights to share some of the main issues that BATS had with Department Policy. Representing the BATS were Marla Kilfoyle, General Manager of BATS. Dr Yohuru Williams of Fairfield University, Chicago BAM (Badass Moms) leader Shoneice Reynolds and her son Asean Johnson, Tennessee BAT leader Larry Proffitt, and Dr Mark Naison, co founder of BATS. The meeting had been set up by Marla Kilfoyle through an official of the Department of Education’s Office of Communications.
Arne Duncan was not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, but dropped in unexpectedly in the middle. What follows is my account of the meeting, including the dialogue with Mr. Duncan, along with and some reflections on what it all means. How much of what transpired will lead to further communication and action, and how much represented a “smoke and mirrors” game by officials of the Department remains to be seen.
http://withabrooklynaccent.blogspot.com/2014/07/arne-duncan-drops-in-unexpectedly-on.html
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Thanks for the link! I am grateful to BATS for doing this thing and taking the risk to speak truth to power.
My takeaway is this: The fact that so many of the USDOE employees were surprised at the anger of teachers and our lack of support for their policies shows clearly how our unions and our professional organizations are failing to carry our message to the politicians and bureaucrats.
It seems obvious to me that they are telling the DOE people what they think they want to hear rather than what the rank and file really think, say, and do.
We need to organize a massive, national action to get their attention and keep it longer than 30 minutes and enough of us need to participate to make it clear that very few indeed support their policies and initiatives and we are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.
Change will only come when we make it painful and uncomfortable enough for them that they will feel trapped between a rock (us) and a hard place (the corporate reformists).
WELL DONE, BATS!
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Chris,
I agree completely.
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Yes. Half an hour is pathetic.
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Yes, excellent information – thanks. Sounds like you folks were really able to say a lot that needed to be said.
I wish though, that Shoniece had refused to step into the hallway with Duncan. I wish she’d have said something like, “If you have time to talk with us in the hallway, you have time to talk to us right here in this meeting.” I don’t mean to be critical – I probably wouldn’t have thought that fast on my feet either. But he was clearly trying to run away and it would have been nice had he been prevented from doing so. (Of course, had I been there, I might have hog-tied him and made him listen until we’d all said our peace, or at least that’s my fantasy of what I would have done. Probably not really though.)
Anyway, quibbles aside, again, good work.
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We will learn more about that conversation soon. Stay tuned. I don’t put any faith in Duncan, but Asean and Shoenice walk the walk and talk the talk impressively.
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With a name like that Duncan 1 / BAT 0 – as a professional I am embarrassed. Wait till he tells his boss who he met with. Forget about it – we are all done. Close the public school doors.
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While teachers have been “polite and professional” we have been vilified, ignored, and ridiculed by the USDOE, the mainstream media, politicians, the business community, and the entertainment industry. Our expertise and experience has been portrayed as a liability. People without a single day in front of a classroom, no background in child development, no knowledge of disabilities, are destroying our profession and threatening the very existence of public education and neighborhood public schools with elected school boards. We are under direct attack. They are firing us at will, closing and privatizing our schools and stealing our hard earned pensions. NO MORE MS. NICE LADY! Time to be BadAss and proud of it!
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YES!
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David,
We don’t have to close the doors. They are being closed for us.
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Thank you, Diane, for your fair coverage of the Badass Teachers. The media was quiet or incorrect with regards to their coverage of this historic event. The collaboration of teachers and parents at this rally was truly inspiring. It gave this Florida teacher much hope.
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Obama’s a lame duck, Arne is auditioning for his next gig at Pearson, and Republicans are fixated on impeaching Obama or repealing ACA through the courts. Time to begin focusing on the next elections.
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Yes, we should start focusing on primary challenges in state races. Any pol. who endorses Duncanesque reform needs a primary challenge.
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BATS are on that. Already several BATS running for office.
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“I have met with more than 50,000 teachers in the last year, and I am not Secretary of Education.”~ Diane Ravitch
And to so many of us in our lives, you “have made all the difference.” Without your expertise the truth about so much would never be told. Thank you!
The responses are so true…thousands of us think you should be the Secretary of Education-forever!
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Well, you’re my Secretary of Education.
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I was at the rally and attended the BAT leadership meeting the day before as well as the BAT social. BATs care about students, teachers, and education policy in the best way unlike those currently determining policy for profit. I feel energized by the experience and am glad I decided to make the trip. Perhaps it will be possible to encourage my 16-year-old daughter to pursue teaching as a career as she would like to. Those teachers who met her showed her the most positive side of the profession. The were welcoming, kind, and encouraging. We have much work ahead of us so let’s stay busy with that.
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Thanks for doing this. It’s great to have someone out there standing up for teachers.
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“I have met with more than 50,000 teachers in the last year, and I am not Secretary of Education.” Because you are a BADASS.
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Help me out here. I must have missed something (I’m serious) If I were speaking to Mr. Duncan or his reps the first issue on the agenda would be a discussion of the federal government’s role in supporting the corporatzation, profitization of public schools.
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I’d like Arne Dun-can’t to explain just how he’s met with 6,000 teachers in the past year, or 110 per week. It would have been far more honest to say ” I was in the same room as 6,000 hand picked, pre selected teachers over the course of the year and still didn’t hear a thing they said.” This is just more of the DOE pretending to listen after the back room deal is done and paid for, just like Arne did in Chicago.
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Jon Lubar: perhaps you could explain to the Secretary of Education of these United States of America that prepositions count?
For example, he “met with” [in the posting above] differs considerably from [to paraphrase you] ‘listened to’ 6,000 teachers.
For the shills and trolls who visit this blog and require the extended version: there is a huge difference between ‘I talked at 6,000 pre-screened teachers and didn’t have time to rheeally listen to what they said’ and ‘I talked with 6,000 randomly selected teachers and spent almost all of my time really listening to what they had to say.’
Thank you for your comments.
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Can crunchydeb tell us how many people were at the actual march? If not, someone else who was there, or an official number from BAT? Thank you!
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The unions have been complaining about high stakes standardized testing; too much testing; drill and kill instruction; fed up teachers leaving the profession; lower teacher licensing standards; how NCLB and Race to the Top are abusive and discriminatory to many students – especially special ed. and ESL students; about apparent federal preference for charter over traditional public schools; about greater school segregation under Obama’s presidency; and on and on. Once in a while the administration bends somewhat, but they are a stubborn lot.
Arne Duncan doesn’t much listen, but teachers, parents, and minority groups should keep pounding at his door. That’s our obligation and our strength in a democracy. Knowledge is power. Diane, BATS, the unions, school boards and administrators, minority groups, and increasingly new elected officials swept into office by school community anger and activism are using that power to grow in numbers, volume, and election victories.
Keep spreading the news. It’s begun to work. Let’s make the wave of election victories a tsunami.
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how about a write-in campaign?
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I read that in one of the states in which people challenged the CCSS and got it repealed a significant factor was brightly colored t-shirts. Not to trivialize what the BATS have done, but bright green (lace to the top colors) worn by teachers, administrators, parents, and students who oppose the corporate agenda on the first day of school in each region might send a powerful anti-RTTT, VAM, CCSS, Gates, Broad, Duncan, Obama message.
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Reblogged this on onewomansjournal and commented:
Amen to Ravitch’s statement:
My comment: Secretary Duncan met with only 6,000 teachers in the last year? That is about 110 teachers a week. That’s nothing to boast about. I have met with more than 50,000 teachers in the last year, and I am not Secretary of Education.
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Love the last paragraph, Diane! It’s so true. Duncan’s forays with listening to teachers is a SHAM! Egads, those political hacks must think we are really dumb to fall for their “marketing” ploys.
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I was there…. Marla Kilfoyle posted on the BAT page that there were about 550 people there.
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Thank you, Kathy & Marla. Thanks to all of you who marched!
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550 people is a respectable turnout, if true, but it is being claimed by an administrator of a group that includes “members” who’ve had their names added without their knowledge or consent, and probably people’s pets, as well.
Blogger G.F. Brandenburg, who was present at the demonstration, reported in a sympathetic post that there were “maybe 200” people there, representing approximately 4/10 of 1% of BATs vaunted 50,000 membership.
Ooh, but they got to “tell truth to power” to Arne Duncan!
News alert: to the people who employ Duncan and program the bio-kinetic operating system that governs him, Power is Truth, and they don’t need to be told about it, since they already have too much, and are getting more of it every day.
They don’t need “truth” to be directed at their power, they need to have their excessive power taken from them, and gaining an audience with this empty suit, while other Gates apparatchiks thoughtfully stroke their chins and pretend to listen doesn’t get us there.
As Mike Klonsky wrote on Mark Naison’s blog, Duncan appeared to have played his audience like a fiddle, and as Jim Horn wrote in a comment on the Schools Matter blog, the time to talk to Arne Duncan is long past.
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About BATs numbers….
The number of people fluctuated during the day, so any counts are fluid, but ranged between 400-550 over the course of the rally. At the leadership sessions the day before, which did not include spouses and other family members, we had over 150 people representing 33 states. The free sessions required pre-registration and quickly filled to capacity. Given our space limitations, many who wanted to participate were unfortunately closed out.
As for the almost 51,000 fb BATs members, anyone who wants to leave, or was mistakenly signed up by a friend, is always free to “unjoin” and leave the group- just go to the gear on the group page and click “leave group.” So not as if people are there unwillingly. Yes, many don’t post, but that does not mean they are not reading and sharing information. Many anti-CC groups are also anti-union, pro-charter, and follow a decidedly right wing political agenda. BATs is a space for teachers and other allies who support public ed, unions, and child-centered holistic education that includes the arts, sports, libraries, counseling, community engagement, etc. We are anti-privatization, anti-corporate, anti-voucher and charter, and against the corporate driven, developmentally inappropriate Common Core. We are closely moderated to prevent bashing of teachers, students and parents, or posts that are racist, homophobic, sexist, anti-immigrant or blame poverty on the poor.
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Terry, don’t let critics get under your skin. I don’t. BATs got to meet with Duncan and told him what he doesn’t hear: truth. No apologies.
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Teka21,
I agree with virtually every position that BATs takes, and have been active in my union and writing about them elsewhere for well over a decade, but what you call a “closely monitored” site, I call a censored echo chamber, one which disappears not just the anti-union, racist and homophobic, but those sympathetic to the cause who don’t move in lockstep with the pep rally-style groupthink in evidence on the group’s Facebook page, and apparently demanded by a leadership that, while claiming to represent K-12 teachers, is not among them. Yet they have strode to the center of the stage, grabbed the mic, and proclaimed themselves to be our leaders. Well, I call BS on that: just because Randi Weingarten has betrayed the teachers she is paid to represent, doesn’t mean that Mark Naison gets to proclaim himself as our leader.
Sorry, but the phrase “closely monitored site” is a euphemism for censorship. If you’ve got the truth on your side, why are you scared to argue it out with the right-wing, anti-CCSSers, at least those who are not Trolls and might be reached? Perhaps you could convince them – and we’re not going to stop this train unless we coalesce with some among them – or would opening up discussion threaten the tight-fisted control and self-aggrandizement the group’s leadership seems to insist upon?
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What? Progress? Somebody is listening? I am amazed. Badass is on my Facebook. I like them.
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550 was the estimated number in attendance Monday. However, as a TN BAT who was in DC for three days including the rally, I can say we got to educate many citizens who saw our shirts and asked about the group as we toured the city. It was a great opportunity to spread the message about the situation in public schools and educate parents and community members.
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I have met with more than 50,000 teachers….
Love you!
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My question is who were the 6, 000 teachers?? Because whatever sample he spoke to, they certainly have not had a significant impact on policy. Let’s be honest, Duncan has a very low opinion of the profession —that attitude permeates his administration, and has clouded my view of the President. This administration talks a lot (too much talk) about growing inequality, and yet their actions in education and economic policy send a very different message. Interesting to see where the President lands after the White House–not sure he will follow in Jimmy Carter’s footsteps. More a mix of Bill Clinton’s monied corporate speaking tours and sitting on a lot of cushy corporate boards. Of course, we know where Arnie will end up —he will be a Pearson executive in charge of..well they find some office to stick him in, one without a phone.
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6,000??? Arne AND his staff. So, Arne met with one? And his staff with 5,999? I’m sure they were hoping that 6,000 number sounded impressive. How many parents have they spoken to? How many parents of special needs students have they spoken with?
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