I received a tweet from Alexander Nazaryan, the author of the Newsweek piece rebuking Louis C.K. and defending the Common Core standards, asking me for a substantive critique of his article.
OK, here goes.
He begins by saying that Louis C.K. has a professional habit of being angry, which I suppose is meant to scoff at his anger and say that he should not be taken seriously.
But then we get into Alexander’s views about Common Core.
The Common Core is “loathed” by Left and Right alike, for different reasons. This is true.
Then he makes the claim that the teachers’ unions oppose the Common Core, which is untrue. Both the NEA and the AFT accepted millions of dollars from the Gates Foundation to promote Common Core, and both have been steadfast supporters. The leaders began to complain about poor implementation only after they heard large numbers of complaints from their members about lack of resources, lack of professional development, lack of curriculum, etc.
Alexander goes on to say that educators oppose the Common Core because they fear they “will be judged (and fired) if their students don’t perform adequately on the more difficult standardized tests that are a crucial component of Common Core.” Here is where Alexander betrays an ignorance of research and evidence. Surely he should know that the American Statistical Association issued a report a few weeks ago warning that “value-added-measurement” (that is, judging teachers by the scores of their students) is fraught with error, inaccurate, and unstable. The ratings may change if a different test is used, for example. The ASA report said:
Most VAM studies find that teachers account for about 1% to 14% of the variability in test scores, and that the majority of opportunities for quality improvement are found in the system-level conditions. Ranking teachers by their VAM scores can have unintended consequences that reduce quality.
Alexander also seems never to have read the joint report by the American Educational Research Association and the National Academy of Education, which spelled out why it is wrong to judge teachers by student test scores because of the many factors affecting test scores that are beyond their control.
Alexander says that some critics of Common Core are “conspiracy theorists who deem the whole project a massive payout to test maker Pearson.” That may or may not be true, but Common Core is certainly creating a huge national marketplace for Pearson and McGraw-Hill, as well as vendors of software and hardware (all Common Core testing is done online, which is diverting billions of dollars from school budgets). Perhaps Alexander has heard of the regular conferences for entrepreneurs devoted to the subject of monetizing the education industry and cashing in on the opportunities presented by Common Core. One such conference was held just last week by Global Silicon Valley in Scottsdale. The purpose of national standards was to build a national marketplace for entrepreneurs. Joanne Weiss, who directed Race to the Top and then became Secretary Duncan’s chief of staff, predicted that this would be the outcome of national standards when she wrote on the Harvard Business Review blog: “The development of common standards and shared assessments radically alters the market for innovation in curriculum development, professional development, and formative assessments. Previously, these markets operated on a state-by-state basis, and often on a district-by-district basis. But the adoption of common standards and shared assessments means that education entrepreneurs will enjoy national markets where the best products can be taken to scale.” As a historian of education, I can say that this is the first time to my knowledge that the U.S. Department of Education encouraged the development of national standards in order to increase the involvement of the private sector in supplying goods and services to the schools.
I am a supporter of national health insurance, so I don’t accept the analogy between the Affordable Care Act and Common Core. The difference between them, which may be unknown to Alexander, is that the U.S. government, including the U.S. Department of Education, is prohibited by law from taking any action that would direct, control, or supervise curriculum or instruction. Now we know that Arne Duncan regularly says he is doing none of the above, but it would be hard to find a teacher who would agree that neither Common Core nor the federally funded online tests has any effect on curriculum and instruction. Common Core and the related testing has had a dramatic effect on both. And, so, at risk of being called a name by Alexander, I would say (having worked for two years in the U.S. Department of Education) that the federal encouragement of Common Core and the federal funding of the Common Core tests directly conflicts with federal law.
You are right that it is far too soon to judge Common Core’s efficacy. But that is the fault of those who wrote it. In 2009, when I met at the Aspen Institute with the authors of the Common Core, I urged them to field test it so they would find out how it works in real classrooms. They didn’t. In 2010, I was invited to the White House to meet with Melody Barnes, the director of domestic policy; Rahm Emanual, the White House chief of staff; and Ricardo Rodriguez, the President’s education advisor, and they asked me what I thought of Common Core. I urged them to field test it. I suggested that they invite 3-5 states to give it a trial of three-five years. See how it works. See if it narrows the achievement gap or widens the achievement gap. They quickly dismissed the idea. They were in a hurry. They wanted Common Core to be rolled out as quickly as possible, without checking out how it works in real classrooms with real teachers and real children.
Are we judging Common Core too quickly and too harshly? Consider the first Common Core test results last year in New York. The passing mark was set so high (artificially high) that 97% of English learners failed; 95% of children with disabilities failed; more than 80% of black and Hispanic children failed; statewide, 69% of all students failed. Maybe there wasn’t enough time for teachers to learn and teach the secrets of Common Core, but why set the bar so high that children were doomed to fail? Is this supposed to increase equity?
Are our kids left behind by China, South Korea and Germany? Not really. Maybe not at all. It is true that we get mediocre scores on international tests, but we have been getting mediocre scores on international tests since the first such test was offered in 1964. We were never a world leader on the international tests. Most years, our scores were at the median or even in the bottom quartile. Yet in the intervening fifty years, we have far surpassed all those nations–economically, technologically, and on every other dimension– whose students got higher test scores. Basically, the test scores don’t predict anything about the future of the economy. Should we worry that Estonia might surpass us? The fact is that our international scores reflect the very high proportion of kids who live in poverty, whose scores are lowest. We are #1 among the rich nations of the world in child poverty; nearly one-quarter of our children live in poverty. Our kids who live in affluent communities do very well indeed on the international tests. If we reduced the proportion of children living in poverty, our international test scores would go up. But in the end, as I said, the international scores don’t predict anything other than an emphasis on test-taking in the schools or the general socio-economic well-being of the society. We would be far better off investing more money in providing direct services to children–small classes for struggling students, experienced teachers, social workers, counselors, psychologists, and a full curriculum–rather than investing in more test preparation.
Alexander, I frankly do not understand your faith in national standards. There is no evidence that national standards produces higher achievement, nor that they reduce achievement gaps. They certainly do not overcome the burdens of homelessness, hunger, lack of medical care, or overcrowded classrooms. You express contempt for public school educators, so it is hard to understand why you think that they will magically be transformed into great teachers by national standards. This may come as a surprise, but most nations in the world–without regard to their standing on international tests–have national standards. When I visited Finland, which has an excellent school system, I read its national standards, but I also saw well-prepared teachers who shaped the curriculum in their classrooms and schools and who had a wide degree of professional autonomy about how they taught. I did not see or hear anyone express the hostility that you feel towards classroom teachers; teaching is a highly selective and highly respected profession, unlike here, where every legislator and pundit is considered an expert because they went to school.
I actually wrote a book about national standards, but I saw them as aspirational, not as a common script for teachers across the nation. I saw them first of all as voluntary, not mandatory. I saw them as standards for states and districts, requiring them to provide the resources for students to aim for standards. I never thought that standards meant that everyone would meet them (a la NCLB and RTTT). Example: for male runners, a four-minute mile is the standard. But very few male runners have ever reached that standard. It inspires all runners, but some will never come close. Education is not a race. It is about full human development of every human being. Education is not about winning or losing. It is about having the chance to develop one’s talents and abilities to the fullest.
Unlike you, Alexander, I see no advantage in “having a teacher in Alaska teach more or less the same thing as a teacher in Alabama.” What’s the point of that? If the teacher in Alabama is passionate about the work of Flannery O’Connor, let him or her teach it with passion. If the teacher in Alaska is fascinated with the arctic tundra, teach it. I assume you have not read the study by Tom Loveless of Brookings, who pointed out that the Common Core standards were likely to make little or no difference in achievement. After all, states with high standards have wide variations in achievement, as do states with low standards.
I see no value in the arbitrary division between literature and informational text prescribed in the Common Core. I know where the numbers come from. They were instructions to assessment developers of the National Assessment of Educational Progress (I served on its governing board for seven years). The ratios were not intended as instructions to teachers. This is balderdash. English teachers should teach what they know and love. If they love fiction, teach it. If they love nonfiction, teach it. Why should a committee with no classroom teachers on it in 2009 tell reading teachers how to apportion their reading time? I doubt that teachers of math and science will spend any time on fiction anyway.
Your belief in using test scores to hold teachers accountable has no research to support it, nor is there any real-world evidence. Many districts have tried this for four or five years and there is no evidence–none–that it produces better teachers or better education. The ratings, as noted above, are arbitrary, and say more about classroom composition than about teacher quality. Nor is there any evidence that education gets better if teachers everywhere are using a common script. Doing well in school depends on family support, student motivation, community support, adequate resources, class sizes appropriate to the needs of the children, experienced teachers, wise leadership, and students who arrive in school healthy and well-fed.
Frankly, I don’t understand why you oppose “joy” in the classroom. Why should school be so “hard” that it makes children cry? It is true that some assignments are hard; some books are hard to read; some math problems are hard to solve. We learn from doing things that are not necessarily joyful, but that engage us in work that stimulates us to think harder, try harder, persist. When we are done with hard work, yes, it is a joyful feeling. Maybe it is because I am a grandmother, but I want my grandchildren to approach their school work with earnestness and to sense the joy of accomplishment, the joy of learning. I want my grandchildren to love learning. I want them to read books even when they are not assigned. I want them to go to the Internet to find things out because they are curious.
And, yes, Alexander, I agree that kids like yours and Louis’s and my grandchildren will be fine. We will read to them, we will talk with them and introduce them to vocabulary, we will take them on trips to the museum and the library, we will listen to them as they read the stories they wrote for school. Other kids are not so lucky. But why should they be punished by being deprived of joy? Why should they be subject to endless testing and test prep? Will that free them from poverty and homelessness? Will that vault them into the middle-class?
Alexander, you assume that national standards, holding teachers accountable for test scores, more high-stakes testing, more rigor, and privately-managed charter schools will cure poverty. There is no evidence for what you believe. The Common Core has some good ideas in it; I doubt that it will do harm, although I believe that subjecting little children to 6-8 hours of testing to see if they can read and do math is harmful, physically and mentally, to them. Long ago, educators were able to find out in tests lasting 50 minutes how well a student could read or do math. Why is it now an ordeal that lasts as long as some professional examinations? For heaven’s sake, we are talking about little children, not candidates for college or a profession!
Thanks for that. My own response was not so substantive nor grown up; I am glad that you are there to provide a substantive grown-up response that he can hear, because boy did he need to hear something.
You really have to wonder whether mainscream journalists actually research their stories anymore, as opposed to just sketching impressionistic overviews of scuttlebutt they overheard at the e-water cooler.
They have no clue what they are writing about. Look at what the mainstream journalists did to promote teacher bashing. Newsweek loved to promote charters over and over again. We all know of this blog that the charters are cash cows, nothing more.
There aren’t any restrictions on an Alaskan teacher discussing southern literature, or an Alabama teacher teaching about the Tundra. However, two and two are still four in both geographic areas. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
And stating your and other followers support of Common Core is about as believable as Press Secretary Carney’s defense of the white house memo yesterday.
Just try to understand the other side for once.
Gipper, many of us have made efforts to understand the other side. Our problem is that we’re not exactly positioned to be influential. When coupled with policies that are not wisely designed this leads to frustration.
In reciprocation, I would ask that the other side try to learn our position. But in most instances they’re too overcome with their ideologies or self-belief that they could hardly be bothered to hear what we think either.
The intransigence is mutual.
Gripper, you’re right about southern literature, the tundra, and math, but there are reasons for regional differences, too. Growing up in Colorado, there was more emphasis on Native American history; Texans spend more time on the study of the Texas War for Independence and the Mexican War. Alaskans have a greater need to study the tundra, and higher student interest in the manatee probably leads to more time devoted to ocean study in Florida. No national test can handle these differences equitably, and there is no need to do so.
“And stating your and other followers support of Common Core….”
Where did Diane state that? Seems to me the whole piece was about why Diane *doesn’t* support the Common Core, and I venture to suggest that most of her “followers” agree with her.
Reading comprehension would go along way for you, Ronald Reagan, Jr. Maybe a teacher could help you with that.
He’s conflating “teachers unions” with “every public school supporter”
It seems to be a common error 🙂
I’m starting to think I BELONG to a teachers union. I don’t remember becoming a teacher OR joining a union! It’s the craziest thing 🙂
Gipper,
There is no understanding the illogical bovine excrement that is CCSS and its accompanying tests. See below for why.
There is no need for me to understand the illogical, unethical and harmful to students educational malpractices that are CCSS and the tests. That understanding is impossible because of the fundamental nature of those educational malpractices.
Gipper, I personally have tried to understand the “other side” by reading the Common Core Standards, and the other side has much to say, and much of that is questionable. From the Introduction to the whole CC document:
“Today’s students are preparing to enter a world in which colleges and businesses are demanding more than ever before.”
Really? Where’s their proof of that? Demanding more what?
Seriously, answer the question. How are colleges and workplaces more demanding now than they were in 1970? 1950? 1930? Please do not tell me that they demand more “rigor,” or something meaningless like that. What is that they demand more of exactly? And why doesn’t Common Core bother to tell us what it is?
I think the general view is that colleges and universities are, in general, less demanding in terms of degree qualifications and grading of classes than, say, in 1970. That being said, there are more extremely well prepared students coming into college and university than in 1970 as well.
Teacher Economist,
After reading your comment that the demands of college has been watered down since 1970s, I Googled the subject and can’t find any data or peer reviewed studies that support that thinking.
Please share links to data from peer reviewed studies that supports your opinioin.
You might try looking for grade inflation and remedial class enrollment growth. I will look for citations in a bit when I am home.
I did see some mention of grade inflation but no mention of data or studies.
You requirement of published work in peer reviewed journals means that the work is typically behind a paywall. Do you have access to JSTOR? There are a number of papers there.
You might try this site with some data: http://www.gradeinflation.com
I don’t have access to JSTOR or any sites with paywalls. But the graph you provided a link to reveals that improvements in GDP were across the board for all universities and colleges—private and public. The chart is labeled “Grade Inflation” from a site called “GradeInflation.com”, and I think the title is intentionally misleading to serve the purposes of the fake education reformers.
http://www.gradeinflation.com/
Instead, I think the opposite is true and all we have to do is look at global rankings of universities ranked by a number of different measurements/methods from different sources to discover that U.S. universities top the global list beating every country on the planet by a large margin.
There are a number of sources that use different methods to come up with their lists but no matter what method/metric was used, universities in the United States beat out the rest of the world every time. No country, even the top PISA scorers come close.
http://www.shanghairanking.com/
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking
http://www.usnews.com/education/top-world-universities
And that leads to a different conclusion than the one being promoted by the fake education reformers: Instead of looking at the glass as half empty, we should be asking ourselves if the glass is filling up and was this the result of the K to 12 U.S. public schools doing a better job leading to more children with improvements in literacy rates in addition to critical thinking and problem solving skills?
Next, I turn to the evidence that Diane Ratvitch provides in her book “Reign of Error” to add to this position.
For instance, turn to the chart on page 341 in the hardcover and we see that the trend in fourth grade NAEP reading achievement level results by race clearly shows a steady improvement in fourth grade reading from 1992 to 2011 in every racial/ethnic group but American Indian/Alaska Native. Then turn the page to 342 and we see the trend for 8th graders has improved even more dramatically and that four years later, even American Indian/Alaska Natives have improved over the results of fourth grade. And these charts just like the global university rankings have nothing to do with GPA or so-called grade inflation.
In addition, dropout rates have improved more than 100% since 1970, and graduation rates continued to climb until they reached amazing levels by age 25 for every racial/ethnic group as the importance of a high school degree sets in for late bloomers who matured later than others and woke up in time to change their lives for the better by going back and earning the high school degree or its equivalent later than 17/18—the magic age all public schools and teachers as judged by from the Common Core Standards.
My conclusion: the federal Common Core standards and the Draconian testing regime designed to destroy the public schools, their teachers and their labor unions threaten the best education system the world has ever seen from kindergarten to the university graduate level so a few billionaires may grow their wealth and gain control of the government.
Without a working and efficient K – 12 public and private (I’m talking about the traditional private schools—not the newer for profit charters that take tax money meant for public education becasue studies are now proving that this addition to education is failing miserably) education system there is no way that universities in the Untied States would continue to outrank the rest of the world by a wide margin on the global annual rankings that use different methods to create their lists. Each ranking I provided a link to explains the methods used, and they are not the same. In fact, they aren’t even all in the United States.
Without access to an academic library it will be difficult to point you to the peer reviewed research that you require.
The elite private and public universities in the US are excellent and the seats there are increasingly being filled with international students because of this perceived excellence. The most ambitious students in the US are far more advanced than a generation or two ago.
I was speaking from the prospective of a state research university where the perception is that students are not on average as well prepared as they once were and are not as interested in learning as they once were. Some of this is because the private elites like NYU have been more ambitios in recruiting academically talented students from across the country, but most of this has been because more students have decided to go to college and the level of preparation for these students is lower because of efforts to increase high school graduation rates.
When I began teaching at my university, the in state admission requirement was having graduated from a high school in the state. It was thought that any high school graduate was “college ready” to use the modern term. Would you say that is a reasonable thing to think today?
I noticed you ignored the facts I pointed out about global college rankings offered as proof that there grade inflation is not the problem you think it is. Do you always do this: ignore facts that don’t support your thinking?
If you look at those lists carefully and spend time doing it, you will discover that many public universities in the US made high ranks compared to the world’s universities including from countries that rank high on the PISA international test that only tests 15 year olds.
But to answer your question: you ask if every child graduating from high school today is college ready?
My answer would be no, but to find any time when every high school graduate was ready for college I think we’d have to go back to 1900 when the on-time high school graduation rate was about 6% and those graduates came from the wealthiest families with parents who were all college educated and who expected their children to go to college before those children were even born.
Find me one country today where every child at age 17/18 is college ready because that is what the Common Core Standards are demanding—the impossible without a chance to even prepare to meet tht demand. The CC concept was launched in 2009 with no rigorous testing and no preparation for any teachers to get ready for the demands of Common Core that every child (100%) age 17/18 be college ready in about four years. It’s obvious to any open-minded person who isn’t blinded by their own bias that the goal here was not to get every child ready for college by age 17/18 but to fail the public schools and get rid of teachers and their labor unions.
A better question might be to ask: How many college graduates does a country need?
Do we need 100% of 17/18 year olds to be college ready out of high school when they are going to end up driving a garbage truck for a living or building homes? The answer for that is also NO. The public schools were never meant to have every 17/18 year old ready for college.
How many jobs require college educated adults? From PBS, we learn the answer.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics… only 27 percent of jobs in the U.S. require at least an associate degree and the ranks of under and unemployed college graduates are likely to grow over the next ten years.
There we have it: The U.S. ranks fifth in the world for college graduates at 42.5% but only 27% are needed and this explains more than anything else why almost half of college grads can’t find jobs in their field.
If you want to see what happens when there are too many college graduates, look at South Korea.
From Bloomberg: Skip College Is Top Advice for World-Beating Koreans: Jobs.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-11/skip-college-is-top-advice-for-world-beating-south-koreans-jobs.html
The Conclusion: high school shouldn’t be required to graduate 100% of 17/18 year olds on-time to be college ready. Instead, the goal should be—is it has always been before Obama and Duncan—to graduate as many student as possible to be proficient in basic math and literacy and that proficiency doesn’t equal college readiness.
In addition, the United States should be focusing on getting kids job ready not college ready because 73% of jobs do NOT require college readiness. But the US doesn’t offer job readiness in high school as many of the other developed countries do that have vocational tracks to graduate from high school job ready—-not college ready..
Alas, Lloyd, schools like mine are not ranked highly in the world league tables. The best of even our students are world class, the worst of our students should not be in college (about 20% come to the same conclusion after their first year and do not return for the second year). Please tell me exactly what point you wish me to address and I will endeavor to do it to your satisfaction.
A related question I have always hoped to get someone here to answer is if there is a minimum level of reading or math competency that we can assume from any high school graduate. What I have in mind is something like reading at the eighth grade level and being able to solve an equation for a single unknown or perhaps to be able to use fractions.
The issue with grade inflation is that students who would not have passed in the past will pass today. As many of my colleagues say, we can’t fail them all.
There’s a HUGE difference between the minimum competency of a high school graduate and one who is college ready.
Literacy and math competency tests for high school graduation rolled out in some of the states back in the 1980s (maybe all of them, I don’t know) after a landmark court case where a former NFL player who went bankrupt due to excessive spending and partying sued the public college where he earned a BA degree. You see, he was illiterate and couldn’t’ find a job but had a college degree because his coach made sure that a tutor did his work for him to keep his GPA high enough to keep him playing.
The former broke NFL player won a multi-million dollar ruling in that court case, and that’s when the minimum competency tests appeared as one more step for students to prove they were ready to graduate from high school, but minimum competency does not equal college readiness and each state set its own bar for minimum competency. For instance, California set literacy at 9th grades level while Texas set it at 4th grade, and California has one of the most difficult minimum competencies to achieve in the country.
Therefore, in California, if a student passes their minimum competency test indicating they are at least reading at a 9th grade level and their math skills are at a 9th grade level, they may earn a high school degree, but they aren’t college ready.
A high school degree does not equal college readiness and it never has—EVER—until a few years ago when Obama’s Race to the Top and his draconian Common Core standards demanded that 100% of all 17/18 year old graduate from high school college ready. How do you take a country where the average reader reads at a 5th grade level and raise it to college literacy in four years? You don’t.
This was ridiculous from the start in 2009 because there’s no way to get 100% of 17/18 years olds college ready in less than four years. In fact, there’s no way to have 100% ready in 13 years because they don’t all start out equal or stay equal. To close the gap from minimum competency to college readiness (and college readiness is far above minimum competency) would require early childhood education programs that promote a love of reading through literacy programs starting as young as age three.
Only a fool would think otherwise and even with those early childhood programs in place there is no way that the schools would reach 100% by age 17/18, because no country has ever achieved this goal—even Finland.
Having a high school diploma was the sole admission criteria for the university where I teach for many many years, so it was not felt that there was a huge difference between being college ready and being a high school graduate. I agree (and so does my institution) that there is a huge difference today. That is my point.
It’s clear that what you assumed about high school degrees and what your institution thinks was and still is wrong.
Earning a high school degree has never meant that every child is college ready. Some of these high school graduates would be ready but not all. Some would be close. Some would be distant. Back in the 1990s, I attended a meeting held at Cal Poly Pomona with the English departments of all the high schools that fed directly into that university and we were told 60% of their applicants from our high schools to that one university were not college ready. That means 40% were ready. To deal with this, Cal Poly had five levels of bone head English and students were assigned to one of these levels based on the results of a placement test that all students were required to take to get into Cal Poly. The meeting included a discussion on what we could do as high schools to attempt to deal with that 60% number and get it down. The trouble is that no matter what we did as teachers, nothing worked unless the students did what they had to do and many didn’t.
Does that mean the high schools failed? NO! In fact, the high schools succeeded in achieved their stated goals as spelled out by the Ed Code and the law, which never had anything to do with getting 100% of our students college ready until Obama’s Race to the Top and Common Core Standards threw us all in the ocean and said sink or swim without any warning or time for the schools to even attempt the impossible.
Your comment indicates that you have no idea what’s required of high school students to graduate from high school, and I can assure you that before Race to the Top and Common Cor standards, it wasn’t to turn out 100% of all 17/18 year olds ready to go to college—an impossible goal at best since no other country on the earth has ever achieved that, and a stupid goal since only 27% of jobs in the United States require a college education.
High schools require students to pass a given list of classes (for instance four years of English and another set of classes in history, math, science, PE, etc.) and earn the credit from those classes. That doesn’t mean they are college ready.
In addition, most high schools since the 1980s included a minimum competency exam that indicated students read or understood general math at a given level that varied from state to state but none of those minimum standards equaled college readiness. The were a minimum; not a maximum.
Before the minimum competency tests, the only requirement for graduating from high school was to earn credit from that list of required classes in addition to a small number of classes that weren’t required—called electives.
Eventually that list included teaching to a state curriculum that required teachers to teach a list of skills for each grade level in different academic skills with the goal to increase the number of students who would be college ready but no one who lives in the real world where 73% of jobs don’t require a college education ever thought it was possible that every student who graduated from high school would be college ready.
Because all children don’t walk in the classroom door each year equal in literacy, math, science, history, etc, teachers have the challenge of teaching these children so as many children as possible achieve the minimum requirements (or better) to earn a high school degree based on the written requirements that were approved by the legislature of each state.
When a 15 year old walked into my English class for the first time in September, and they read at a second grade level while another student in the same class read at a college level, does anyone really believe any teacher is capable of taking that kid reading at a second grade level after being in school for nine years and in four catch them up so they would be college ready before they graduated and then went out to join the family business mowing lawns or waiting tables, etc.
What is the reason why all kids don’t improve in the public schools and stay stuck at a low level year after year?
The most common reason is that those students come from homes that don’t value education or reading—I’m not going to go into the reasons those homes don’t value education and reading because that should be obvious to anyone who isn’t an ignorant fool.
There is a HUGE difference between what influences a child to value learning and a teacher’s skills to teach. The greatest teacher in the world can’t teach a child who hasn’t been influenced by their parents, peers and out of school environment to value education unless the child is willing and few are.
Every year of the 16 that I taught high school, I asked my students the first week of school, how many planned to go to college and almost every hand went up. Usually there’s be one or two who didn’t raise their hands. I taught mostly 9th grade English literature and grammar.
Then I would tell my students what it would take to be college ready. I said, do all the class work, do all the homework, asked me questions if you need help or are confused,read every assignment and if you have trouble read it again and then read for pleasure at least thirty minutes every day 365 days every year
In all the years I gave this advice, only two students that I know of did exactly what I told them and their parents, and both of these girls saw their literacy skills skyrocket.
The failure rate in my classes often ran between 30 to 50% and many of the kids who didn’t drop out would have to take a summer school class or a night class at the local community college to make up that English Lit requirement to high school graduation or they wouldn’t graduate. The reason the failure rate was so high was becasue these kids did not follow my advice. Many of them didn’t do the classwork, the home work, read the assignments, read for pleasure, ask questions and few if any every came to ask me for help during my office hours. Between 9th grade when there were almost 700 students and 12 grade with about 500 but only 450 who graduated, there was more than a 30% drop in students who left for whatever reason—our district never told us what happened to those kids between 9th and the end of 12th.
Lloyd,
I will number my points to make them easier to reference.
1) The university where I teach managed to use the high school diploma as its only admission requirement for well over 100 years. You might have thought they would notice the obvious flaws earlier, but it is only in the last thirty or so that the admission requirements have been increased (currently a C average across academic courses, but i think it will be increasing in the near future)
2) There is certainly no minimum competency requirement for high school graduation in my state and in my local high school. Here is a link to the list of the 23 states that do have exit examination requirements:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exit_examinations_in_the_United_States
Perhaps most high schools are located in those states, so you may well be correct that most high schools do have minimum competency requirements.
That’s not even half the states. Wow! I’ve been wanting to find this list and I was using the wrong search words.
And does that mean the rest don’t have any minimum requirements other than the basic, old fashioned pass the required classes and earn the required units/credits to graduate or not?
I wonder if any of the districts in states without state mandated exit examinations have their own exit examinations. It is possible that an elected school board for an individual school district would come up with its own exit exam but then how would we know the level or quality of a district mandated test.
Instead of labeling public schools as failures, I think we need a national debate—-maybe that’s what we are doing now—-that comes to a consensus through the democratic process or what we should do to raise the standards reasonably without throwing the baby over a cliff with the bath water.
Teachers are not to blame for a system that doesn’t have reasonable graduation standards.
When did the United States end vocational training in the public schools?
Most developed and even developing countries offers kids two tracks through high school but the U.S. doesn’t.
I have only been reading commentary here for 2 weeks, although I have followed Diane’s wonderful insights forever, long before she wrote this blog. I want to tell you that any authentic teacher will recognize that you are the genuine article, the real professional who knows what learning looks like, and what it takes to enable the emergent human mind to acquire BOTH skills and knowledge.
It takes a village to do it, but the greatest propaganda machine in the history of human civilization, is wholly controlled by those who need to demonize our profession. Instead of listening to professionals like you (or me), critters like Rhee and Klein, Arne and Eli, get to describe what it takes to teach, and it has no relationship to what is NEEDED TO LEARN.
Sigh.
Lenny Isenberg blew the whistle in LAUSD, where he saw social promotion at work is such a way, that the ethnic majority there were emerging from 12 years of school with second grade skills…not eighth. They threw the book at Lenny, a brilliant man who speaks many languages and studied law, and who really stands up for kids.
Here is one of many posts on his wonderful site where he chronicles the corruption and chaos in LAUSD, which sent 17,000 of its veteran teachers packing, replacing them with TFA and novices who leave long before they are vested. Last year, over 800 teachers who ere about to vest were charged with various things, all of them lost their jobs.
http://www.perdaily.com/2012/05/lausds-illlusory-graduation-reforms-video-7.html
It seems unlikely that TFA teachers replaced a large proportion of the 17,000 teachers given that there have only been a little under 40,000 total TFA teachers since the program began in 2003.
TE, you are exactly right! TFA has produced 40,000 teachers in 20 years! Why is Arne Duncan pouring $50 million into that organization? Why did Broad bundle $100 million? Why did Walton add another $60 million ? Are these guys long range thinkers?
The nation has more than 3 million teachers! Get real.
50 million seems like a lot of money until you compare it to what we spend on K-12 education. It is somewhere below .1%.
TE, How about a billion for TFA? Which produced 40,000 temp teachers in 22 years. Too little?
Just making up numbers? I am sure there is a number that is not being spent that all would agree is too high a number.
TE,
How about looking at these numbers. Especially the last chart comparing the NAEP Math Grade 8 2013 results by state with poverty rates by state.
http://theprincipal.blogspot.com/2013/12/pisa-data-punditry-in-full-swing.html
And then there’s this from The Washington Post:
Wendy Heller Chovnick is a lawyer who spent years at Teach For America, both as a corps member in the classroom and as a manager in Phoenix. In the following Q&A, she tells her story about Teach For America, explaining why she joined as an enthusiastic corps member in Washington D.C. in 2001, and why she later became disillusioned enough to leave the organization. She offers an inside view of how TFA operates both on the regional and national level and details why she believes TFA “is not living up to its mission of proving excellent educational experiences for students in low-income communities.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/07/17/a-former-teach-for-america-manager-speaks-out/
TE:
You asked, “Just making up numbers?”
Here’s your answer: “Teach For America is expected to lose $21 million from its $880 million operating budget next year,” (Colick, 2011).
http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/living-in-dialogue/2012/01/money_from_donors_ipads_for_fr.html
And that was in 2011, What’s TFA’s budget today?
My comment was about the hypothetical number thrown out by Dr. Ravitch.
I know and that’s why I wanted to find out what TFA’s budget really was. Like I said, $880 spent and coming up short $21 million in 2011 is really close to $1 billion. I wonder what TFA’s budget was for 2013 and again what it will be for 2014
More than a billion maybe
Hypothetical: not so much
There is little any teacher can do to overcome administrative and political corruption but when it comes to passing out blame, teachers are the usual scapegoats. The classroom teacher is far removed from the administrators who make up the lists of students who are qualified to graduate from high school and even farther removed from those at the state level who decide what the minimum high school graduation requirements are.
About a third of my English students in ninth grade would fail my class but they were given another chance each summer to take a two hour, six week summer school class to make up the one hour, 40 week class they’d failed. Sure the six week class may have been two hours long for those six weeks (that ran four days a week and not five) but still far short of the almost 180 hours of instruction during the regular school year. I taught some of those summer school classes and there was no way I could cover even half of the material from the regular school year, and summer school usually started with as many as fifty students in a class that quickly shrank below twenty who stayed when they discovered they actually had to show up and work.
If a student started 12th grade and hadn’t made up required classes they’d failed from 9th, 10th and 11th, their counselor would give them information to night classes at adult night classes or the local community college where they could take and possibly pass classes that would meet the state requirements for high school graduation.
One of the pleasures in reading the commentary here is being connected to people who write such well-researched ‘opinions’ that debunk the propaganda that is being used to destroy the public schools system that worked and was at the root of our nation’s opportunity for all premise.
I have written this here and elsewhere, that it is not merely the monetarizing of the public schools that drives this debacle.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Magic-Elixir-No-Evidence-by-Susan-Lee-Schwartz-130312-433.html
I see the deeper conspiracy that is being driven by those who have a plan to end democracy. Stress the citizens (austerity propaganda at a time when the country needs investment to create jobs); ensure that NO legislation is passed that helps ordinary people by providing some security net; attack voting rights and gerrymander districts so voters are disenfranchised; PURCHASE THE MEDIA, so that no real information about their conspiracy reaches the public; use the greatest propaganda machine in mankind’s history… television, and give an exhausted, stressed and ignorant citizenry colorful entertainment and a window on the world that they have created, and which has no relation to what is actually happening. (Do read “In the Absence of The Sacred,” by Jerry Mander (yes that IS his name). You will enjoy this wonderful book which I used in my language arts classroom to introduce the media unit that I wrote. (It is ‘teaching’ like this that ensured my removal despite my fame.)
http://www.opednews.com/author/comments/author40790.html
Then, destroy an educated citizenry to END the knowledge base a citizenry needs as PRIOR KNOWLEDGE (in order to compare and contrast current events to actual events in the past which offer facts and insight to what the founders envisioned).
To quote Al Franken’s title:
The Lies and The Lying Liars that Tell Them” promote candidates who lie with impunity and the public is properly Bamboozled.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/BAMBOOZLE-THEM-where-tea-by-Susan-Lee-Schwartz-110524-511.html
Ed Hirsch family said that “democracy depends on Shared knowledge”.
This is why the momentum is so furious. They are seizing the moment to complete the destruction of our republic, by ending public education under the guise of ‘failing schools.”
Click to access hirsch.pdf
Sorry about messing up on the acronym for Grade Point Average. I meant GPA not the others.
In California students must demonstrate they can read at a middle school level in order to graduate from high school? Another example of how states differ as in my state there is no such requirement.
I am curious at the reaction other regular posters here will have to this very high stakes exam. Typically these high stakes exams are strenuously opposed for a variety of reasons, but perhaps this exam will be given a free pass.
The Common Core high stakes testing that judges teachers, gets them fired and public schools closed took public education systems that operated based on individual state legislation with minimum or no standards and demanded the highest possible standards that have never been achieved anywhere on earth at any time in history without building a new system and implementing it over at least an entire generation—and maybe several generations.
Instead, what Obama did with his Race to the Top and Common Core Standards was the same as expecting a 1908 Model T Ford that’s rated at a top speed of 45 mph to suddenly hit moon rocket velocity or face failure and behind sent to the dump. And to achieve this federally UN-Constitutional mandate, Obama did nothing to replace the Model T’s engine. Nothing!
The California exam just keeps students from graduating from high school. I call that high stakes, but I am just thinking of it from a student’s perspective.
I went down the list of states that have high school exit exams and didn’t discover what the minimum was set at for each state. That seems to be some sort of secret unless you may be a teacher in that state because in California we were told what level the minimum was set at—we were told by our administrators it was set at 9th grade.
And the competency exam in California’s high schools was not a one shot test as the Draconian Common Core Standard test is.
I think the first time the HS exit exam was given in CA was to volunteers near the end of 8th grade and the test was mandatory in 9th grade. If a student passed one section of the test they didn’t have to take that section again because they had demonstrated minimum competency in that subject area. Students who passed every section in 9th grade never took the test again, because they had met that one requirement for high school graduation.
But if a student didn’t pass a subject area—for instance, English or math—then they would be given another chance every year in addition to each summer and twice the senior year.
Along the way, tutoring was offered after school in the library for juniors and seniors who still hadn’t passed a section of the exit exam. The high school where I taught took this very serious and kids who made the list for not passing the min standards for any subject were called into the office and told about the support that was offered to help them meet the minimum competency in each subject area.
The closer the kids got to high school graduation, the more support was offered in the subject areas that had not met minimum requirements, but it was still up to the kid to show up for tutoring or take the summer school class offered or the adult school night class or the class at the local community college.
But passing the exit exam that demonstrated a child’s minimum competency that was set at 9th grade didn’t mean college ready. Teachers and administrators did not set the minimum competency levels in California. That was decided by the state legislature and then turned over the the state department of education. Directives were sent to each of the more than 1,000 school districts in California and it was up to each district to create the infrastructure, set aside time for testing and then create s structure of support for those kids who didn’t pass.
To be college ready was up to the kids. That meant actually reading, studying, doing the work etc. and many kids don’t do that 100%.
We are not dealing with kids who are all highly motivated to learn. In fact, many kids come to school hating school because the work that is required to learn is not fun to many.
Then there is the race issue:
In 1960, 20% of blacks and other races completed high school compared to almost 50% for whites.
A decade later in 1970s, 35% of blacks and other minorities were graduating from high school whiles were approaching 60%.
By 1980, the black/minority HS graduation rate had reached 50% but whites were at 70%.
How about college:
By 1980, less than 10% of blacks and other minorities were graduating from college compared to about 23% for white males and 12% for white females.
You may find a lot of that info here:
Click to access 93442.pdf
The US was taking kids raised in minority cultures where education wasn’t valued by the nation and sending them to school expecting them to catch up overnight, and it often takes three or more generations for drastic changes to take place in a cultural group.
What is the other side?
The dark one.
Well Gipper, first of all you can’t just say 2+2=4 any more…that is now a 12 step process wherein you must demonstrate the analytics you applied and your depth of knowledge of numeracy and the logic and rationale behind 2 + 2 actually equaling 4. I don’t know how old you are or if you have children or how old they might be…but go ahead and try to help your elementary age child with their math homework. I particularly like when they have to draw a picture to illustrate the math concept they are dealing with!
Second, while there may be no law prohibiting the teaching of southern literature or the tundra the reality is that given the high stakes nature of these new tests, for students, teachers, principals and districts, no will be going out on their own to indulge in topics they have a passion for. Students will suffer for that
Third, your poorly worded and snide comment about supposed supporters of Common Core is also not an accurate portrayal of the existing situation. What the Common Core standards actually say is not necessarily bad. I’ve been a HS Social Studies teacher for 31 years…students have ALWAYS written evidence based claims…we just didn’t call them that! It’s good teaching. Most of what is in the Common Core standards is what good teachers have been doing for years. The problem has been in the ridiculously failed implementation of the standards. The horrendously written modules, the lack of resources, the lack of PD, the rushed tests which were never field tested, the magical math that was used to determine cut scores that resulted in 70% of students “failing”, the lack of infrastructure for the coming online tests that will result in huge expenditures for districts that are already cash strapped, the continual moving target…I could go on and on.
Fourth, the prescriptive nature of the modules, the testing, the implementation and the teacher evaluation based on the tests have taken away the art of teaching. And make no mistake, teaching is an art. Or at least it used to be.
I’m really well and truly sick of people who have never spent ten minutes in a classroom suddenly being classified as education experts. Or people who teach in charter schools that don’t have to play by the same rules the rest of us do telling us how public education is failing. Every talking head and political flunky believes that because they’ve BEEN TO school they know what my job entails. The other problem is that all of these people, who are my age or older, or even fifteen years younger, have NO CLUE what schools are like today. I could never do today what I did when I started teaching, nor what I did twenty years ago, nor even what I did ten years ago. That’s not necessarily good or bad…it’s different. And policy makers who have NO IDEA what day to day education is like have no business crafting policy without significant input from the constituencies who will be impacted and who have to implement it.
Carney’s defense is believable. There’s nothing new on the “BENGHAZI!!!11!!!” matter.
Unfortunately, Carney’s attack on the House Select Committee and defense of the notion that we already know all there is to know about Benghazi rings self-contradictory and incoherent on my ear. They screwed up and then covered up, and are still trying to. So called “truth” is not a high priority in this administration.
You have been fooled, Harlan.
Abraham Lincoln said: “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot foll all the people all the time.”
This is a site where we talk about education issues and you are bringing Benghazi here?
Benghazi is old news and there was no coverup. Get over it, but you won’t. I’ve been in combat and in real time an attack can hit faster than anyone can respond to it and the chain of command for decisions starts way down the ladder from the Secretary of State of the White House.
Here’s a real issue we should all be talking about—not Benghazi: “In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, killing 32,885 and injuring 2,239,000.[1] The 32,367 traffic fatalities in 2011 were the lowest in 62 years (1949). Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,551,332 motor vehicle deaths in the United States from 1899 to 2012.”
And what about the fact that the CDC reported that car accidents is the # 2 reason for the death of children 1 to 4. Why not focus on a conspiracy theory that causes these deaths of kids who will never reach school?
Then more small children were killed in physical assaults than for all cancers combines.
And you are spending energy on Benghazi. I think Lincoln defined who you are with his quote.
I often suggest to my students that we could eliminate many of those traffic deaths by simply lowering the speed limit to under 10 miles an hour. They typically say that lowering the speed limit is too high a price to pay for saving those lives.
Vietnam
Iraq
Afghanistan
Since 1965 about 2.2 million Americans have died in vehicle accidents while there were only 63 thousand US troops killed in more than thirty years of fighting—just in those three wars listed above.
I wonder how many children lost fathers and grandfathers in one of those three wars.
Maybe your students hit the reason: profit is king in addition to shaving twenty or thirty seconds off drive time so someone can get home in time to watch a reality TV show.
Lloyd,
I think you misunderstand my proposal. The way to eliminate these deaths is to reduce speed limits to below ten miles an hour on all roads. The cost is likely to be much higher than a minute or two of reality TV. LA to Palo Alto a 35 hour drive for example.
I thought you were being facetious. The only way that would work would be to put a speed limiting device on every car so no one could go over 10 mph.
Another good that would come out of that would probably be more people taking metro rail and/or the subway. With a speed limit that show, there would be pressure for high-speed rail between all major U.S. cities like China’s building.
And as more American’s turned to two and three wheel peddle bikes to get around locally, the U.S. would become much healthier with safer streets.
But there may be another solution coming soon—cars that drive themselves and obey all the speed limits in addition to keeping a safe distance from the vehicle in front.
One more benefit. The U.S. would get rid of its dependence on foreign oil.
I suspect the reason you thought it facetious illustrates my point well. Almost everyone would say the high cost of limiting all cars to speeds under 10 miles an hour is too high a cost to pay for those saved lives.
The Canadians will be sad when we stop importing their oil.
And maybe we can stop fracking our own soil polluting underground water. Slowing down might be a good thing for many reasons. Maybe we can also slow down pushing our kids to all become Einsteins and rocket scientists to help boost Silicone Valley’s profit margins.
A few of you have hijacked this blog for non-education-related arguments. There are thousands of us who read this blog, and we are not interested in your need to have a schoolyard fight on irrelevant issues. Please respect the purpose of this blog, the audience, and the privilege you have to comment on education issues.
Please see my comment to the other copy of your post above.
At that rate we might consider reviving horse drawn carriages.
That is a horse drawn speed, but horses are still dangers or creatures with mind of their own, so I suspect that there would still be deaths if we used horses. There is also the manure bro elm, especially in densely packed cities.
They are certainly not the solution to the whole problem, but I can’t imagine driving $25,000+ vehicles around at 10mph nor maintaining a highway system. When you think about it, lowering the speed limit to ten miles an hour would change the whole society including school systems. You wouldn’t have to worry about catchment areas anymore. Chances are you wouldn’t have to worry much about choice. 🙂
I think you are right that it would mean large changes to society. That is why my students think that it would be too high a price to pay to save those lives. This starts us thinking about how much we should be willing to pay to save a life.
A few of you have hijacked this blog for non-education-related arguments. There are thousands of us who read this blog, and we are not interested in your need to have a schoolyard fight on irrelevant issues. Please respect the purpose of this blog, the audience, and the privilege you have to comment on education issues.
I certainly try to stay on topic and you might look on this as a way to teach students to think about the trade offs we make in society. If it is very disturbing, you might unsubscribe from the threads that you find offensive. Click on the link at the bottom of any email from the site and you can choose your threads.
I am not offended, but find it mildly frustrating that my time is wasted reading comments that are either unrelated, or only tangentially related, to the topic at hand. In order to prevent myself from committing the act that I am objecting to, I will not respond to this thread again.
Lisa,
Comments that deviate from the thread of a post will happen. Diane’s blog has a lot of activity at 20,000 – 70,000 views a day. To elect yourself as the message police is not productive. If you find something that bothers you, I suggest you ignore it. I often do but I admit that sometimes I let myself get sucked into a diversion.
How do you find the time to read everything? I don’t. I skim her many daily posts and respond the best that I can and when alerted to a comment thread, I don’t read it unless there’s a comment made to me. To find out, I search for my name and most of the time if my name isn’t there alerting me to someone commenting on a comment I made, I delete that e-mail without reading any of the comments on it.
As is, I spend several hours a day on Diane’s blog reading her posts and a few of the comments in the post threads. This will not be sustainable once my next manuscript comes back from the copy editor and I have to do the final edit and revisions before publishing.
Since my next book is a memoir that focuses almost 100% on being a public school teacher, I want to share this comment that appeared this morning in an e-mail from my copy editor:
She wrote:
“Sorry to be so silent on this end. I’m in the middle of ‘when it rains, it pours’ season. BUT I’m over halfway through the book (she’s talking about my memoir that I’ve titled “Crazy is Normal, a classroom expose”) and am going to do my best to have it to you by the end of next weekend.
“Incidentally, I’m finding it really interesting. I went to middle-class Catholic schools from kindergarten through 12th grade, and can say absolutely that there were problem kids, but nothing like what you experienced. And now, the prevalence of parents who want their kids to be rewarded for doing nothing has gained a little notoriety, finally – but not enough. The state of education and parenting today is one of the reasons my husband and I have chosen not to have children – not because we fear we’d parent that way, but because we wouldn’t be able to tolerate it from the people our kids would be exposed to. Neither of us would be able to control ourselves with irrational parents like the ones you’ve described.
“Hope you’re doing well – apologize again for my tardiness on getting this back to you.”
I am writing my memoir about my life as a public school teacher. I , too am overwhelmed by the amount of reading that is needed to keep up with the events. Diane’s blog helps me because she pairs all the education ‘news’ down to the essentials, and I do as you do, I peruse it, and of course,link it to the OpedNews site, because the conversation there is all about the end of our democracy but incredible NEVER about how education is being swept away but the same forces. I feel that I am spitting in the wind there, and preaching to the choir here, but what I experienced needs to be told.
I am curious as to your publisher. My son discourages me from publishing a book, and I am considering visual media. I had a book offer by Stenhouse, for the famous curricula that attracted the Standards, but then I was thrown into a rubber room, assaulted by lie after lie, left to fend for myself by the union which abandoned me, until My husband contacted Randi herself. Then I was arbitrated into retirement, and it has been a lon grime recovering from the shock of being the best in the profession only to be thrown away with the trash.
Go to my author’s page if you want to know more about me .http://www.opednews.com/author/author40790.html
It offers the resume, but my articles and the comments I post, offer a view into the real story.
My memoir will be self published as my first two books were. I don’t know what your thinking is about self-publishing, however, it isn’t the same as vanity publishing was before Print On Demand, e-book readers like the Kindle & the Nook and Amazon revolutionized publishing possibly forever.
My first two novels were critical successes and have sold more than 17,000 copies when the average self published title sells less than 100 copies total and the average traditional published book sells 3,000 copies in its publishing life.
With self-publishing, readers are your judges while editors and agents have been bypassed and authors reach their readers through social media and networking by building a branded author’s platform. (I’ve learned a lot about social media and networking in the last few years. I also learned out to program my own Websites and Blogs).
In fact, many traditional publishers are now watching the self-publishing market to find new authors. For instance, Amanda Hocking, who self published several books and struggled for several years to build her social media author’s platform before her work went viral and started to sell hundreds of thousands of copies monthly making her a millionaire several times over. And she isn’t alone. There are many others who have gone this route and some even hit the New York Times Bestseller Lists.
Than a major traditional publisher made Hocking a $2 million dollar offer she accepted but with the right to continue to self-publish other titles at the same time. The link to the YouTube video is Amanda Hocking telling her story.
Because of self-publishing, authors no longer need a publisher to come up with cover art, copy edit their work and distribute it for them. There are independent contractors who offer their services to do everything that traditional publishers do. My cover artist is an award winning artist who lives in Australia. I pay her through PayPal.
My copy editor has a full time job as a copy editor in St. Louis for a traditional company, but she works part time for authors like me. She was referred to me from another self-published author who currently is releasing a series of award winning YA fantasy novels.
My wife is traditionally published and her royalties are about 10% for each book but that’s not based on the retail price. The royalties I’m paid for each sale runs between 35 to 70% because the middle man has been cut out.
Traditional publishing: Author finds agent (if they are fortunate) > Agent find publisher (if they are fortunate) > about a year later the book comes out and if it doesn’t take off, most publishers forget about it in six weeks because of new books they are releasing. Shelf life in bookstores for most books is only a few weeks and then most books are gone off the shelves.
Self Publishing: Author does it all and when ready to release a book, the author may release the paperback through Create Space and Lightning Source/Ingram while the e-book is released through Amazon kdp and Smashwords or Draft2Digital. But the author must buy their own ISBN through R.R. Bowker. I buy ten at a time and use them up quickly when I release a book. One ISBN must be used for the paperback, another if there is a hardcover and another for the e-book. That way brick and mortar stores may order a copy. When my first book came out, it landed in brick and mortar Barnes & Noble stores for the average shelf life and sold well but not viral well. And the early success of “My Splendid Concubine” landed me on talk radio for a few months in 2008 around the time of the Beijing Olympics.
Oh, and self-published authors are paid monthly starting two months after publication. My royalties are automatically deposited into my bank account each month. My wife has to wait six months for her pay day and it arrives in a check after her agent takes out 15%. For foreign sales, there’s also a foreign literary agent in each country who also takes a cut of my wife’s royalties.
Here’s a piece in the Huffington Post by Mark Coker who predicts that self published authors will capture 50 percent of the e-book market by 2020. There are charts. This segment already sells 15% of all e-books.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-coker/10-reasons-self-published_b_4915694.html
Coker says, “Indie authors have learned to publish like professionals — The professionalism and sophistication of indie authors has increased dramatically in the six years since I launched my company Smashwords. This means self publishing will lead to the publication of more better books, and more diversity of better books. The innovation taking place today among indie authors is amazing. This innovation and professionalism will continue in the future as indies pioneer and promulgate tomorrow’s best practices. These authors are publishing books that are quality-competitive with traditionally published books, but priced dramatically lower. As a result, these authors have the ability to under-price, outsell and out-compete the ebooks from traditional publishers. It means indie authors will have the ability to serve and please readers more effectively than traditional publishers.”
Golly. Knowing how busy you are, I am so grateful that you took the time to tell me this.
I have printed your reply and will try to grasp the new ‘world order’ for writers .
Please take note of this:
No matter how authors publish, it’s the authors who end up promoting their work and most (emphasis on most) traditional published authors don’t get ANY support from their publisher to promote their work. Most authors, indie or traditional, are on their own to find readers.
Publishers tend to put all their promotion eggs ($$$) in the baskets of authors who have already proven to have books that sell well.
In fact, today if an author—who isn’t well established with a following of readers—approaches a traditional agent or publisher, the agent or publisher will ask how many followers they have for their Website, Blog, Facebook page and Twitter account.
The answer to that question may be what leads to an offer or not, and promoting your own work beyond the Internet is not cheap. And building an author platform on the Internet may be inexpensive dollar wise but it eats up a lot of time.
For instance, my wife—who may have about 100,000 loyal readers in the United States and the UK—is fortunate enough to be supported by her publisher when it comes to promotions and it can easily cost the publisher $1,000+ a day to move her around the country from city to city: air travel, drivers, hotel rooms, and the cost of the publicist who arranges it all does not come with a low price tag. When a big house publishes several hundred titles a year, there is no way that publisher can equally promote every book so they go with authors who have proven they have a loyal audience. During the promotion of my wife’s last book, “The Cooked Seed”, that included a flight to Perth, Australia where she spent five days after she finished hitting cities all over the United States for several weeks.
The rest of us compete for readers and that’s where an author’s social media platform comes in. I’ve been on a learning curve that I’m sure will never end and it started in 2008.
You are so kind to take the time for me. I was merely a teacher all my life. I was blindsided by what occurred, and have been writing about it for years, preaching to the choir. I built an audience at Oped, and became a trusted writer there, a few years ago. I am well -known at the sires of those who cover teacher-abuse, and both Diane and Randi know my work. Other that that there are 1000 of my students who profited by my work in the last assignment when I became a celebrated educator. A few find me on linked in or Facebook, but I would like to reach them and say…”I’m back.” I don’t know how to use Twitter, but I guess I must learn.
It’s a steep curve, and I am not sure I have the energy or desire to start so late in life, with so little help. It seems like all my life I am alone in figuring out what I need to do to meet an objective. As a teacher, it was the way it was. They gave me a classroom, few materials and a class list. At least in the early years, there were clear state objectives for outcomes.
I just know that my story is very special. Because I was vetted by the Pew funded research people, and matched to every single standard, and because my students were incredibly successful by any and all rubrics, and I was so famous that I would hear my name on the cross-town bus when people recommended schools, the vendetta an cutter lawlessness that attended my demise tell the tale of teacher abuse: the charges not just of incompetence, but slanderous an utterly false allegations of corporal punishment and even a ‘report’ from the principal that I threatened to kill her.
Few teachers can stand on such accomplishments, so I want to stand up for them and say: “ENOUGH”
THANKS AGAIN.
HAVE YOU READ MY BAMBOOZLE THEM?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/BAMBOOZLE-THEM-where-tea-by-Susan-Lee-Schwartz-110524-511.html
Do you have copies of the annual yearbooks when you were teaching? If you do, then you may have access to the names of your best students over the years.
Networking would mean identifying the best former students to contact, Google them, search for them on Facebook and on Twitter. Once you make contact, you say hello and mention they might be interested in your teaching/education memoir and ask them to spread the work to anyone else they might still know from when they were your students.
Lloyd, if you go to my author’s page, you can leave me a message with your email. I would like to carry on this conversation there.
Let me say this… it has been my plan for sometime, now, to contact the students from that last assignment. Yearbook? There was no child in the school, who had not been in my class, and some had been in both my sixth and seventh, and my art and acting electives.
Every child in that school wore a letter to me every week for 40 weeks, and the letters made me famous, because not only were they literary reader’s letters, but the 13 year old kids talked to me about everything they were learning in my class, and in the school. The letters lined the hallways, and stopped Harvard in its tracks. That is why a premier publisher of teachers books actually came to me and said: “Write a 64 page book about how you did it.” That BTW is why I was the cohort… everyone wanted to know HOW I DID IT…. showed them how to write… hee, hee…I bet YOU know how to get kids to think on paper, and hang words on thoughts with some purpose, clarity and sense of audience.
To give you a sense of how students who find me react, here is just one of many:
” This is almost unreal! I am so glad that I have this opportunity to share with you what an inspiration you have been. We (Catherine, Diana and Leah speak so often and so highly of you since we graduated East Side Middle, we jumped out of our seats when Catherine told us she had been in touch with your son’s wife. We have stayed good friends (see pictures attached) and look back to the days in your class and know that you had such an enormous impact on or lives till this day. You encouraged us to be creative, patient and yet free, a most valuable lesson. We joke sometimes that your class was
better than our sophomore year college literature class, but actually it’ not funny at all- its true. I still have the assignments you gave us and cherish them, and still remember the books you had us read. I remember feeling so confident in your class, a feeling no other teacher made me feel at that confusing time in a teenagers life. You combined a perfect balance of discipline and a genuine love of teaching young people, a quality which so many teachers lack in the public school systems and therefore deeply saddens me to hear that you are no longer teaching there.”
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Little Bio: With your encouragement I auditioned for the art program at LaGuardia high school and graduated from there in 2001. I then attended The School of Art and Design at SUNY Purchase and graduated with a BFA in 2006. Since then I worked odd jobs and an internship here at New York Mag. Now I am working full time as the assistant to the photo department. I live in the lower east side above from Diana, actually.””There is so much more I would love to share but I must get back to work.” “I will be in touch soon!” “All the best,” JL
I can do this… if I know what THIS is… which I don’t.
I just know, as I renovate my office and go through crates of the materials I generated, the books that informed my practice, the research from the National Standards, and the boxes of letters from NYC 23 year old kids that make people who read them laugh and cry. One mother did her Master’s Degree on the relationship young girls developed with an adult whose voice they trusted.
Yup. You are absolutely right, TE. We should lower the speed limit to under 10 miles per hour. I thoroughly approve of that idea. Except for ambulances and other essential services, of course. The cost of getting there quickly is just too high.
The Koch brothers will not like that. Speed burns more gas and oil. Slower speed limits may break people’s addiction to driving and they also might start walking short distances of a mile or two instead of driving everywhere, even around the corner. Lawyers won’t like it either. Doctors, hospitals and funeral homes might be against slower speed limits too.
“In 2009, when I met at the Aspen Institute with the authors of the Common Core, I urged them to field test it so they would find out how it works in real classrooms. They didn’t. In 2010, I was invited to the White House to meet with Melody Barnes, the director of domestic policy; Rahm Emanual, the White House chief of staff; and Ricardo Rodriguez, the President’s education advisor, and they asked me what I thought of Common Core. I urged them to field test it. I suggested that they invite 3-5 states to give it a trial of three-five years. See how it works. See if it narrows the achievement gap or widens the achievement gap. They quickly dismissed the idea. They were in a hurry. They wanted Common Core to be rolled out as quickly as possible, without checking out how it works in real classrooms with real teachers and real children.”
So, in other words, our education officials were given “notice,” vis-a-vis the necessity of field testing. That’s a golden ticket in a products liability case….
No research university would allow the kind, or scale, of human experimentation that the CCSS project has become. How the feds managed to get past their own legal advisors is beyond me.
“The federal encouragement of Common Core and the federal funding of the Common Core tests directly conflicts with federal law.” Correct, and in particular, the funding of the CCSS tests has left an unmistakeable “follow the money” platform for legal action. Every reporter should be asking Arne Duncan to recite the law that forbids what he did, then tell how much money USDE spent on the test development,how much they had to spend on “curriculum” materials for those tests because they did not “realize” that you can’t go from standards to tests with something called curriculum intervening, and better yet instruction…if there were time before the tests. USDE has demonstrated unbelievable ignorance at every step of the way, all at taxpayer’s expense and with great damage to students, the very concept of education (as distinct from training), to say nothing of doing zip that might have been really constructive with the largest discretionary budget in that agency ever. Waste and fraud on a grand scale.
extraordinarily well said, Laura!
And your exactly understates “what it’s all about.” I can assure you that the basics are addressed in every current state standard (2+2=4). However, the CCSS are very narrow and prescriptive. They are very heavy on having identical processes for examining information. It’s not truly creative problem-solving but rather procedural directions. As a social studies teacher at the high school level, the standards are more ELA than social studies and don’t allow for a lot of process flexibility. So, yes, one student could write a paper on Bismarck’s unification of Germany while another could write one about Spencer’s theories of Social Darwinism but they would have to do it in the same way. Variance in studies but not in operations.
That’s because, I think, as best I can tell, CC wrongly assumes that education in the grade-school years is skill-based. Some of it is–certainly math is–, but would you agree, as a teacher, that much, including history, is more knowledge-based? Sure, as they mature neurologically, young people do acquire new intellectual skills in critical thinking and whatnot, but no two people are likely to do this in the same way, and even neurologists are hard-pressed to explain this process, and it seems almost impossible to quantify this growth the way you could quantify that, say, Johnny has finally memorized his multiplication tables, or whatever. I think that the mystery of intellectual growth, which differs so much from one person to the next, and which makes a person special, is somehow threatening to CC writers, and that likely is why they want your students to all write the same way, which of course is only going to turn off many students to writing, and maybe even to history, unfortunately.
Because of NCLB and Common Core, it doesn’t matter how history “should” be taught in the elementary grades. It isn’t taught anymore because it’s not tested in most states. Most of my 8th graders do not know about Columbus–they’ve heard of them, but that’s all. They don’t know about the American Revolution, western expansion, anything. I’m not blaming the teachers. They have no control over this.
Steve K, yes, you’re exactly right about all these standardized writing activities; they aren’t “critical thinking’ at all.
” … very narrow and prescriptive … very heavy on having identical processes for examining information .. .not truly creative problem-solving but rather procedural directions … don’t allow for a lot of process flexibility… ”
The point is, the papers wouldn’t actually be ABOUT Bismarck or Spencer or the reunification of Germany or Social Darwinism. The CCSS just endlessly demands a certain style of formulaic regurgitation, emptied of meaning by generic writing prompts.
When we point to those glaring feature in writing assignments, CCSS perpetrators claim it’s just due to faulty roll out.
It’s the same when Nazaryan defends the indefensible math exercises by simultaneously saying they represent a mystically “higher level” of thinking, and again are faulty examples.
That’s because the common core was created to be tested. By making things procedural and skills-based, tests can be more easily created and graded. Rubrics can be neat and succinct.
Diane, Alexander N set himself up for your exquisitely detailed reply. He is far out of his depth in the very areas that box the compass of your professional life. His beliefs and writings are emblematic of those held by the ‘know nothings’ who now drive educational decision making.
Our public schools are, on the whole, successful learning environments, especially when we factor in the deleterious effects of income inequality and its toxic consequences. of course, your grand children, Alexander N’s children – children of the middle and upper middle income groups (whatever that now means) – will succeed at school; they always have. They bring to school life experiences rich in cultural capital that prepare them for school; their daily lives are not spent attempting to make-do without a a safety net. Once again, we confront an ignorant writer who, like David Brooks, wields power to shape public opinion and whose political economic ideology lacks a scintilla of empathy that would allow him to focus or real and direct interventions rather than chimerical problems.
You got it right. Another ignorant writer with a national platform who didn’t bother to do his homework. Here’s his bio from the Huffington Post:
“Alexander Nazaryan has written on books and culture for the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Village Voice, the New Criterion, Salon, and many other publications. He is working on a novel about Russian organized crime in New York City.”
I hope he does some research on Russian organized crime before he submits that manuscript.
Diane – that response was smokin’. Whew – I have to go step outside to cool off! Way to go!
I know, right!
Thank you, Diane.Your response was a beast.
Do you expect to hear back from the “journalist”?
Dienne & Ang: what y’all said.
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I wish that our teacher’s unions would oppose the common core. Diane, thanks for your clear-eyed response. We need to repeat a mantra something like this: If you want to improve education end poverty and perhaps borrow from Hippocrates by prejudging any proposed change with the rule: “first do no harm!”
Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Texas Education.
“Your belief in using test scores to hold teachers accountable has no research to support it, nor is there any real-world evidence.”
And what needs to be added is that there is read-world evidence that holding teachers “accountable” in this way has negative effects. At least one teacher has committed suicide after having his name published in the paper as a “bad” teacher. Many other perfectly fine teachers have lost their jobs after being found “ineffective” (often after being “highly effective” the year before). And many, many others are suffering the physical and emotional effects of toxic stress because of the effects of fear and competition.
“And many, many others are suffering the physical and emotional effects of toxic stress because of the effects of fear and competition”
Yes!
Remember stack ranking at Microsoft? It was not effective. Fear and competition decreases cooperation and innovation. It forced many effective employees into the ineffective categories to meet predetermined ratios. Microsoft dumped stack ranking recently.
Some other little tidbits:
Expedia got rid of its long-standing rankings system last year.
Adobe Systems (ADBE) dropped performance reviews altogether last year.
Can we finally drop the “fear of evaluation” canard and understand teacher objection as a rejection of unfair, inappropriate accountability.
Dienne & Ang: two follow up points.
First, the teacher was Rigoberto Ruelas. He should not be forgotten.
For one link among many: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28/local/la-me-south-gate-teacher-20100928
Second, as for the wonders of Gates Ranking, er, stack ranking:
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Eichenwald’s conversations reveal that a management system known as “stack ranking”—a program that forces every unit to declare a certain percentage of employees as top performers, good performers, average, and poor—effectively crippled Microsoft’s ability to innovate. “Every current and former Microsoft employee I interviewed—every one—cited stack ranking as the most destructive process inside of Microsoft, something that drove out untold numbers of employees,” Eichenwald writes. “If you were on a team of 10 people, you walked in the first day knowing that, no matter how good everyone was, 2 people were going to get a great review, 7 were going to get mediocre reviews, and 1 was going to get a terrible review,” says a former software developer. “It leads to employees focusing on competing with each other rather than competing with other companies.”
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Link: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2012/07/microsoft-downfall-emails-steve-ballmer
But of course stack ranking/forced ranking/rank-and-yank/burn-and-churn will work in the ed sector, right? Don’t we have to wait ten years [thank you, Bill Gates!] to find out?
Nope, we already knew that over 30 years ago from W. Edwards Deming aka “The Father of Quality.”
Thank you for your comments.
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Diane, thank you, as always, for your articulate way of stating the obvious (or what should be obvious). As I prepare my class for the next round of state tests, I’m glad to know that you are out there fighting for sanity.
Is it true that the short essay responses in the CC are “too costly and time consuming” to be scored by human beings “on a national basis” so will have to be machine graded?
That’s the premise of this paper. It seems like if we’re asking 4th and 5th graders to spend hours constructing short essay responses, some adult should actually have to read them.
Click to access R836.pdf
In Utah, the essays have been machine-graded for years. As far as I know, the new essays will be as well.
Does anyone know where I read about the researchers who have developed software that will write essays that make absolutely no sense but receive high grades when machine graded?
Curmudgucation, April 30 perhaps. http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2014/04/computer-writer-vs-computer-grader.html
Thank you for all the hard work you do in this fight. Thank you for being a leader, Prof. Ravitch.
Diane, agree with all your points except one, which I know from painful personal experience to be untrue: “Privileged” kids who stay in the public schools will not necessarily be “fine.” I had to pull my kids and start homeschooling (and gave up my own journalism career) because my daughter, who was at the top of her fourth grade class, needed anxiety treatment. She had to understand what every silly bit of meaningless jargon meant, she dreaded the standardized tests as if they were capital punishment, and she stopped reading or playing the violin or doing anything in the afternoons except moping and throwing tantrums. I had to start making an hour-long drive twice a week to Children’s Hospital so she could see a therapist. I finally pulled her out, and have been home schooling for two years now, and she’s back to her old happy self.
I used to scorn homeschoolers, and I still dream of having a good nurturing public school for my children to attend, but it’s simply not the reality right now, and it never will be once CC firmly takes root.
Thank for the well thought out response. Hopefully he will actually listen. What it takes to make a successful classroom is experienced teachers, support from parents and administrators, material supplies, small number of students but the essence of a classroom is the teacher student bond. They don’t care what you know until they know that you care. Every good teacher knows this. Quite obviously common core erodes this bond forcing teachers to force students into circumstances that are not in their best interest such as long complicated math explanations and 6 to 8 hours of grueling testing, cancelling of art, music, PE, school plays and programs, in short cancelling joy from childhood. I would quit who wants to drill kids to death and watch the joy disappear from their innocent trusting eyes. I remember once my kids came up in front and wanted to demonstrate something for me. There was a tv program at the time where these two crazy room mates did the dance of joy. So five of them formed a circle and did the dance of joy for me. I was so in love with them, I felt the honor of being their and witnessing such joy and natural sweetness. My deepest fear is that kind of spontaneous love and joy, unique to childhood will be squashed and that is a tragedy far greater than failing a test.
Diane,
I especially like your proposal that standards play an aspirational rather than dictatorial role. The four minute mile example was terrifically apt.
Great response!
“The passing mark was set so high (artificially high). . .”
Whatever the cut scores are it doesn’t affect the COMPLETE INVALIDITY of the whole process. By discussing these implementation “problems” we assure that implementation will continue. We should be driving home the point that these tests are, not only COMPLETELY INVALID, but also UNETHICAL and HARMFUL TO STUDENTS through a false narrative of “scientificity”-that the teaching and learning processes can be “measured”.
Until we stop giving ground, we will continue to go backwards. Go after the heart of the problem as Noel Wilson has done, rip it out as Noel Wilson has done, utterly destroy the epistemological and ontological foundations as Noel Wilson has done. Read and comprehend these things, folks and spread them far and wide. Until we do we will continue to lose to these COMPLETELY INVALID, UNETHICAL AND HARMFUL TO STUDENTS EDUCATIONAL MALPRACTICES.
Read and learn Wilson’s never refuted nor rebutted study. It has all the ammunition and then some to destroy this beast. “Educational Standards and the Problem of Error” found at: http://epaa.asu.edu/ojs/article/view/577/700
Brief outline of Wilson’s “Educational Standards and the Problem of Error” and some comments of mine. (updated 6/24/13 per Wilson email)
1. A quality cannot be quantified. Quantity is a sub-category of quality. It is illogical to judge/assess a whole category by only a part (sub-category) of the whole. The assessment is, by definition, lacking in the sense that “assessments are always of multidimensional qualities. To quantify them as one dimensional quantities (numbers or grades) is to perpetuate a fundamental logical error” (per Wilson). The teaching and learning process falls in the logical realm of aesthetics/qualities of human interactions. In attempting to quantify educational standards and standardized testing we are lacking much information about said interactions.
2. A major epistemological mistake is that we attach, with great importance, the “score” of the student, not only onto the student but also, by extension, the teacher, school and district. Any description of a testing event is only a description of an interaction, that of the student and the testing device at a given time and place. The only correct logical thing that we can attempt to do is to describe that interaction (how accurately or not is a whole other story). That description cannot, by logical thought, be “assigned/attached” to the student as it cannot be a description of the student but the interaction. And this error is probably one of the most egregious “errors” that occur with standardized testing (and even the “grading” of students by a teacher).
3. Wilson identifies four “frames of reference” each with distinct assumptions (epistemological basis) about the assessment process from which the “assessor” views the interactions of the teaching and learning process: the Judge (think college professor who “knows” the students capabilities and grades them accordingly), the General Frame-think standardized testing that claims to have a “scientific” basis, the Specific Frame-think of learning by objective like computer based learning, getting a correct answer before moving on to the next screen, and the Responsive Frame-think of an apprenticeship in a trade or a medical residency program where the learner interacts with the “teacher” with constant feedback. Each category has its own sources of error and more error in the process is caused when the assessor confuses and conflates the categories.
4. Wilson elucidates the notion of “error”: “Error is predicated on a notion of perfection; to allocate error is to imply what is without error; to know error it is necessary to determine what is true. And what is true is determined by what we define as true, theoretically by the assumptions of our epistemology, practically by the events and non-events, the discourses and silences, the world of surfaces and their interactions and interpretations; in short, the practices that permeate the field. . . Error is the uncertainty dimension of the statement; error is the band within which chaos reigns, in which anything can happen. Error comprises all of those eventful circumstances which make the assessment statement less than perfectly precise, the measure less than perfectly accurate, the rank order less than perfectly stable, the standard and its measurement less than absolute, and the communication of its truth less than impeccable.”
In other word all the logical errors involved in the process render any conclusions invalid.
5. The test makers/psychometricians, through all sorts of mathematical machinations attempt to “prove” that these tests (based on standards) are valid-errorless or supposedly at least with minimal error [they aren’t]. Wilson turns the concept of validity on its head and focuses on just how invalid the machinations and the test and results are. He is an advocate for the test taker not the test maker. In doing so he identifies thirteen sources of “error”, any one of which renders the test making/giving/disseminating of results invalid. As a basic logical premise is that once something is shown to be invalid it is just that, invalid, and no amount of “fudging” by the psychometricians/test makers can alleviate that invalidity.
6. Having shown the invalidity, and therefore the unreliability, of the whole process Wilson concludes, rightly so, that any result/information gleaned from the process is “vain and illusory”. In other words start with an invalidity, end with an invalidity (except by sheer chance every once in a while, like a blind and anosmic squirrel who finds the occasional acorn, a result may be “true”) or to put in more mundane terms crap in-crap out.
7. And so what does this all mean? I’ll let Wilson have the second to last word: “So what does a test measure in our world? It measures what the person with the power to pay for the test says it measures. And the person who sets the test will name the test what the person who pays for the test wants the test to be named.”
In other words it measures “’something’ and we can specify some of the ‘errors’ in that ‘something’ but still don’t know [precisely] what the ‘something’ is.” The whole process harms many students as the social rewards for some are not available to others who “don’t make the grade (sic)” Should American public education have the function of sorting and separating students so that some may receive greater benefits than others, especially considering that the sorting and separating devices, educational standards and standardized testing, are so flawed not only in concept but in execution?
My answer is NO!!!!!
One final note with Wilson channeling Foucault and his concept of subjectivization:
“So the mark [grade/test score] becomes part of the story about yourself and with sufficient repetitions becomes true: true because those who know, those in authority, say it is true; true because the society in which you live legitimates this authority; true because your cultural habitus makes it difficult for you to perceive, conceive and integrate those aspects of your experience that contradict the story; true because in acting out your story, which now includes the mark and its meaning, the social truth that created it is confirmed; true because if your mark is high you are consistently rewarded, so that your voice becomes a voice of authority in the power-knowledge discourses that reproduce the structure that helped to produce you; true because if your mark is low your voice becomes muted and confirms your lower position in the social hierarchy; true finally because that success or failure confirms that mark that implicitly predicted the now self-evident consequences. And so the circle is complete.”
In other words students “internalize” what those “marks” (grades/test scores) mean, and since the vast majority of the students have not developed the mental skills to counteract what the “authorities” say, they accept as “natural and normal” that “story/description” of them. Although paradoxical in a sense, the “I’m an “A” student” is almost as harmful as “I’m an ‘F’ student” in hindering students becoming independent, critical and free thinkers. And having independent, critical and free thinkers is a threat to the current socio-economic structure of society.
OMG. Once again, for the nth time, Duane, a progressive,often good humored, educator, inflicts posters with his standard Noel Wilson excerpts and restatements.. Duane, how about just a citation? There are just so many times posters have the wherewithal to wade through the same elaborated postings re NW. It is mind numbing. I know you are coming from a good place, but, give me (us) a rest.
I amuse myself by saying, “Is that Duane Swacker’s theme music I hear???” in my best WWF-announcer voice while scrolling through, if that helps you any.
Tim, I thank you for your sound advice. It is good to know that I am not an N=1 (at least in the instant case). Now, let’s continue move forward in our struggle. 🙂
You know, you are not required to read it.
Duh. Of course not. That was notmy point.
Mr. Nazaryan,
I invite you to contact me at dswacker@centurytel.net to discuss Wilson’s study and how my opposition to CCSS and the accompanying tests is based in a sound logical dissection of the processes involved and has nothing to do with the Tea Party nor a disgruntled left/union. I challenge you to refute/rebut the the arguments that Wilson has promulgated.
Thanks in advance,
Duane Swacker
Don’t hold your breath! I would be pleasantly surprised if you get a response from Mr. Nazaryan.
Sigh!
Wonderful response, Diane. No one out there nails the truth as well as you do. You laid it on the line with Bush, and your argument here, filled with evidence cannot be disputed… BUT it can be ignored, because the people who run the show, and those who support their perspective are wedded to their one beliefs, and the truth has no place there.
There ignorance is intentional.
The hypocrisy exhibited by these people is explained so well in Deans’ wonderful book “Conservatives Without Conscience.” I listen to the audio version of this on a long trip, and I highly recommend it. He devotes 2 chapters to a professional analysis of how these people can maintain their positions in the face of observable reality which points out the falsehoods.
I get to the point where it is hard to listen to all the poopy that is disseminated.
Sigh.
I sigh a lot.
Oh and Alexander,
Didn’t buy your sniping at the efforts of public school teachers, portraying them as lazy, and lauding your own ( wow 5 whole years, whoopee) teaching experience.
There are few as dedicated as those teachers who have worked- for decades- in the “trenches” at impoverished public schools. Patting yourself on the back in your article, while discussing your own work at a well-funded public school, and denigrating the other teachers with whom you worked…sorry don’t buy what you are selling…they are probably still there making a difference, not cashing in like you.
Work for 10 years in the hood, and stop bragging about it, and maybe then we could respect you.
I never heard of this Alexander guy and I don’t give a 💩 what he thinks.
Diane, You’ve done what so few can do so efficiently when refuting the reformy nonsense. As they say in the south- you kicked butt & took names.
The common core does not prohibit the teacher in AL from teaching Flannery O’Connor. They are standards-not content.
Annette, I was responding to Alexander’s claim that teachers from Alabama to Alaska should be teaching the same things.
Yes, Diane an awesome response.
I am tutoring a few students in Nashville to get them ready to take the Algebra 1 achievement test. We practiced with some TN practice tests, and then I downloaded a CA practice test. The CA practice test was much more comprehensive and rigorous: it covered the quadratic formula and its proof, which the TN test doesn’t even touch on. It also had some word problems involving simultaneous equations, which the TN test does not. A TN student who did well on the TCAP might think he had mastered Algebra 1, but when he goes to college, competing perhaps with CA students, he will be at a disadvantage. This is not fair to TN students.
I agree that common standards will not solve the problems of poor students, but letting them slide by with overly easy curricula is not doing them any favors either. I looked at the Mississippi Algebra 1 test, and it was even easier than Tennessee’s. Maybe Diane Ravitch would think differently about CC if she was tutoring poor children in the South. Some of these students are quite bright, but their parents and teachers don’t expect much from them, and they have no idea what the competition is like. Also, our state has trouble attracting good jobs because of our poorly educated work force.
Thank you for pointing out these basic things. I feel that what Dr. Ravitch and others are alarmed about are the madness of bad tests, terrible test prep regimens, test binges, VAM in teacher evaluation, and the criminal activity associated with some charter schools and privatization. Not all states are engaging in these bad practices when they work with the Common Core, some were behaving in this way before the Common Core, and some are using the Common Core to advance destructive agendas.
I agree with you about the standards. I think if we were discussing the standards and not the behavior of some states and districts, who are either panicking, or intentionally trying to discredit the Common Core and public education, I think we would be having a better discussion.
Sorry, the common core standards are not “more rigorous,” especially in high school. Successful first-year, college students need to be immersed in LITERATURE, not informational texts, if they are to compete with the children of the wealthy. And the CCSS at the elementary level are inappropriate. The standards are, as Robert shepherd has opined, “amateur,” among other things. Just look at EngageNY for proposed texts at each grade level. Something is clearly amiss.
nimbus,
No need to apologize. I agree with you that, “Something is clearly amiss.” I don’t think I said the CCSS were more rigorous, and I think shannonstoney was very clear about what she was comparing, what she was working with, and that they were tests. But I think she was also clearly right that when state standards differ, it’s fine for those that are rigorous but not so good for those that, as she said so well, don’t expect much.
Here is Diane’s posting of Bill Honig’s description of the California approach:
https://dianeravitch.net/2014/01/07/bill-honig-why-california-likes-the-common-core-standards/
Bill Honig: Why California Likes the Common Core Standards
By dianeravitch
January 7, 2014
“In this post, Bill Honig explains why the Common Core standards have won broad support in California. Bill was state superintendent of California in the late 1980s and early 1990s and is a personal friend. California has not yet implemented the testing that has proved so upsetting to students, parents, and educators in other states. Will California be able to avoid test-based teacher evaluation? Can the state decouple the standards from the tests and the other parts of the market agenda?
Bill Honig writes:
Common Core Standards, YES
High-stakes Testing, Rewards and Punishments, and Market-based Reforms NO
The California Story.
This article is a plea not to let legitimate hostility to pervasive high-stakes testing, rewards and punishments based on junk science, and privatization measures aimed at delegitimizing public education, which too often accompany the adoption of Common Core Standards, blind you to the value of the standards themselves. In California, there is strong opposition to such “reform” efforts, yet widespread, enthusiastic support for the standards…”
An eloquent and incisive response, Diane. Thank you for speaking for the silenced and gagged teachers, administrators, students, and parents.
How unfortunate that we must continue to remind people that student achievement is linked to so many factors. I was so lucky. I had great teachers who demonstrated their love for children first and worked hard to make us feel confident and competent. We were engaged and motivated because our teachers worked hard. There was “joy” and a deep sense of pride.
My 86 year old mother-in-law started teaching with a Normal degree. She loved mathematics and made sure that her students learned to love it as much as she did by making it interesting and fun. She taught for almost 40 years and can still teach anyone to understand calculus. She continued to go to school because she wanted to be a better teacher and because Math fascinated her.
There are many like her and the wonderful teachers I had when I went to school in American classrooms today. Perhaps more than we think. Thanks for your blog. I have read many of your books. Kudos!
Louis CK was acting as a parent. If it happened to be a negative comment, albeit truthful, it should not be compared to his comedian style. I happen to really like most of his work. Many of the younger generation get their news from late night shows, Colbert, Stewart, Letterman, Fallon, Leno, Kimmel, other comedians, etc. It is often through a negative slant on things that people begin to see the humor or idiocy of what is happening in the world today. Long live those brave enough to expose the truth, no matter what venue they use to share their wisdom.
Diane, you are a rock star. Thank you for once again giving a voice to what we are all thinking and feeling.
agreed!
Diane: I think you are right about top down imposed national education standards, but I think the analogy to the ACA is in fact true, and that top down imposed national health insurance standards are doing much more damage to medicine in the US than the CCSS have so far done to education.
At present it even seems as if the ACA is promoting “dis-equity” with poor people shunted to Medicaid, and more formerly middle income people likewise being shunted to Medicaid.
The prediction of some is that there will grow up a two tier medical system in the US, a good system of concierge physicians and high end hospitals for cash or private insurance patients for the affluent who can afford it and government medicine for the rest.
We already see that in education the poor get poor education while you and your grandson and others of the wealthy will get good education at home to begin with and will manage to find good schools public (as for your grandson) or private.
The same kind of policies, national over regulation by government, are likely to produce the same results, good services for the wealthy and upper middle class and bad or government services for the poor and lower middle class.
Thus I wonder whether you wouldn’t agree that your support of the ACA is inconsistent with your condemnation of the CCSS.
Yes!! three cheers! Standardized testing will not lead to better education or more productive, creative graduates. Judging children, teachers, schools, states or nations by its results is worse than meaningless – it tells us nothing but that teachers, schools states or nations know how to subject children to mind numbing test preparation, and rote learning.
Wow! Great reply! He is cooked!
This post makes me feel better about the future of American education. I’ll have my own classroom within a couple years, God willing, and I’m hoping to make a difference in some teenagers’ lives. I believe our schools are going to look much better in five years time. Not just because of me : ), but because a lot of people are starting to get their hearts and heads right. Let the healing begin, and the uphill struggle continue.
You all know that IBT bought Newsweek last August, don’t you? I wonder if Nazaryan reads the US edition of International Business Times? If he wanted to defend his sacred Common Core Cow from attack, he might have answered this breathtakingly Catholic condemnation of the ELA CCSS I found, from a month ago, March 25, 2014:
“America’s Common Core: Standardization By A Low Standard”
“The latest calamitous “dumbing down” of America’s already beleaguered education system is the introduction of the monstrous Common Core State Standards Initiative. At the risk of seeming a trifle sensationalist, this latest affront to educational standards is nothing short of being a crime against humanity. Let’s not forget that the humanities are thus called because they teach us about our own humanity. A failure to appreciate the humanities must inevitably lead to the dehumanizing of culture and a disastrous loss of the ability to see ourselves truthfully and objectively.”
http://www.ibtimes.com/americas-common-core-standardization-low-standard-1563457
Pearce goes on to condemn Common core and secularism itself for indifference to Truth as he sees it. My quarrel with the Common Core is smaller. I’m a big fan of ordinary, everyday truth with a lower case “t”. Common Core actively preaches that there’s no such thing, and if there were it wouldn’t matter anyway because the standard is just to shut up and generate a page of bullshit prose about the stimulus that’s put in front of you by the machine.
Wonderful rebuttal! I love the analogy to running a four-minute mile as a standard. It’s something that can inspire us, but few will ever achieve it. “Education is not about winning or losing. It’s about the chance to develop one’s talents and abilities to the fullest.” I think I will post those words in the teachers’ lounge. Oh wait, we don’t have one. I’ll post by the photocopier, the only place where teachers in my building gather. Thank you Diane!
I’ve been using a different sports analogy for Common Core. If a high jump team is not doing well, should we train better or raise the bar higher?
Excellent.
Dr. Ravitch: plans to publish this in Newsweek or another major outlet? Nazaryan is only cooked if a broader base hear the facts. And right now the testing and”accountability” people are winning the media war on almost every outlet, including NPR. -a frustrated school librarian tired of straightening out friends and family who think we are afraid of being evaluated
Jennifer, Diane cannot just “plan” to publish this in Newsweek. The editors there have to accept it. (I suggested though, in another post on this thread, that she submit it to them and request that they publish it as a rebuttal to Nazaryan, who asked her to write it,
You are correct, however, that the mass media in general in this country usually takes the side of the “deformers”, and it is hard for us to get the truth out. I think some who read and write to this board may get a skewed view that most in the country now agree with us (because most on this board agree with each other), when that is not likely true.
I think it is good that this Louis CK stuff brings more publicity to our opinion.
It also doesn’t help that the tea party types are now against the Common Core, because then we get lumped together with them., (Narrative something like “extremists of both the right and left oppose the Common Core, while the moderate middle supports it”. (Of course then people who don’t know anything about it, would rather associate with being “moderate” than an “extremist”.) The tea partys opposition to CC will tend to make liberals (at least those who don’t know much about it) go in the opposite direction, to support it.
I think it could perhaps help if we teachers created some kind of alternative, rather than just opposition to CC. For if we want to do away with CC, then what do we want? Back to the previous standardized testing (for instance CST here in California)? Well, that is miserable too. We should be proposing perhaps a new alternative.
I would be for eliminating standardized testing entirely, and I think most teachers would. However, I think we should realize that will never happen. Public schools will always be intertwined with politics, and politicians will want some sort of standardized testing. So perhaps we can come up with a proposal for much less and better standardized testing?
And I think we should be clear that we are not opposed to the goals of CC. I think most teachers would agree with the stated goals–deeper more critical thinking, going more in depth into subject matter (even if not covering as much material), etc. But only that the current implementation of CC, created by non-educators without any teacher input, is very bad, and does not help achieve those stated CC goals at all.
And then come up with our alternative plan, involving much less standardized testing, with teachers very much involved in the whole process. Then they cannot just say we are negative, defined as “opposed to Common Core”, but presenting an alternative.
I don’t know who could organize that? Perhaps the national teacher’s unions?
It’s up on the Washington Post, and also C.K. tweeted the link this afternoon:
Louis C.K. @louisck 7h
this caring, thoughtful and qalified person @DianeRavitch wrote this about CCSS https://dianeravitch.net/2014/05/02/my-reply-to-alexander-nazaryan-of-newsweek/ … listen to her. Not me.
Alexander Nazaryan: Corporate Deform Apologist
Louis C.K.: The Conscience of a Generation
Hmmmm, I wonder who I’ll go with.
Brilliant and powerful. Thank you, Diane!
This should be “mandatory” reading for every pundit, hedge fund manager, corporate exec or others who are so blindly following the rhetoric of the Common Core master, Mr. Arne Duncan!!
Joy should be a part of learning. Attitudes about knowledge IS important, and I”m glad this post discuss it. In my own experience from Norway I know teachers have been important as well!
Excellent response, Diane! Since Mr. Nazaryan asked you to write a critique of his article, is he going to try to get your response published in Newsweek as well? If not, why did he ask you to write it?
If he doesn’t, I would suggest that you send it to the editors of Newsweek, tell them that Mr. Nazaryan requested it, and that you would like it published. For if they wish to have the image of being fair and “balanced”, they need to present more than one point of view. (Point, counterpoint, you know.)
I don’t know that that would be successful (in getting it published in Newsweek), but I think it is worth a try.
I was almost in tears reading this, when I wasn’t cheering out loud. This just negates every argument out there! LOVE IT! Thank you, Diane!
Thank you for shedding light on a very confusing issue. I’ve never been a proponent of corporatizing our educational system, that goes for Charter schools as well as testing.
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Some facts that we’re not getting from the mainstream media
As it’s the birthday of Horace Mann, a quote from him seems appropriate: “A teacher who is attempting to teach without inspiring the pupil with a desire to learn is hammering cold iron.”
That’s why you need joy in a classroom.
Isn’t the point to make sure all the nations schools are teach more than just creationism? Is that not what these national standards are supposed to insure?
I’m with the whole “national” idea, I think it is the feds who are promoting humanism more so than the samller State governments and the even smaller counties, so national administration of education standards sounds like a good idea, like I said above, perhaps small entities like states and counties are more subject to anti-science and pro-Christian education.
Shouldn’t you treat it like the healthcare thing, accept, warts and all and work with it to improve it, to make it what it should be?
I’m curious about Mr. Mazaryan. I can find no biography of him online.
He claims in his article to have been a teacher. Does anyone where, what subject and for how long?
That’s, of course, Mr. *Nazaryan*.
I also want to say thanks to Nazaryan.
Make a similar statement against the hyenas in Congress who decry the ACA.
Fantastic, thoroughly enjoyed this, and I agree!
Wonderful rebuttal, Dr. Ravitch, with all the facts organized and explained so well. All this, though, we have known for a good while now. Our education policy makers et al have convinced many Americans that they have the answers to fix what is wrong with our schools, and if we do not implement said policies then American schools will remain in the sorry state it is. They are correct in that schools are in a sorry state – students are stressed from the continuous over-assessment, teacher morale is low, and parents are torn between their children’s peace of mind and high scores. All this due to the fact that schools are not allowed to do what is truly best for students’ learning and emotional well-being.
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Education historian and analyst Diane Ravitch presents a detailed breakdown of the issues with Common Core standards in a refutation of Alexander Nazaryan’s vocal support of the program.
Diane, you may a couple of essential points in a few different ways:
“…The fact is that our international scores reflect the very high proportion of kids who live in poverty, whose scores are lowest. We are #1 among the rich nations of the world in child poverty; nearly one-quarter of our children live in poverty. Our kids who live in affluent communities do very well indeed on the international tests. If we reduced the proportion of children living in poverty, our international test scores would go up. But in the end, as I said, the international scores don’t predict anything other than an emphasis on test-taking in the schools or the general socio-economic well-being of the society…
… The ratings, as noted above, are arbitrary, and say more about classroom composition than about teacher quality. Nor is there any evidence that education gets better if teachers everywhere are using a common script. Doing well in school depends on family support, student motivation, community support, adequate resources, class sizes appropriate to the needs of the children, experienced teachers, wise leadership, and students who arrive in school healthy and well-fed…”
My community, which has a history and strong pedagogical grounding in diverse schools and classrooms, is criticized by a small number of parents who are enrolled in a local G and T track (one section/grade in one school).for not offering tracking or select academic programs in Middle School.
The parents do not feel the local MSs, which are either diverse because they intentionally select for diversity or are segregated by race and SES through choice/neighborhood demographics, are academically good enough for their children, based on test scores and curriculum (not enough accelerated or AP classes in MS).
We hold forums and workshops and other events to address these issues and the consensus among educators ad community members is largely for diverse schools and classrooms, which reams of research demonstrates provide benefits for all children and narrows the achievement gap. The G and T parents rarely participate in these events, yet complain they are not heard.
If test scores reflect the demographics and material conditions in the school or classroom, how do we justify the practice of G and T tracks in elementary school?
Or academic selection in MS?
Particularly since the G and T tests and academic selection act as a sorting hat for race and class and geography?
It is ironic that the recent Special Education reforms have called for universal inclusion as being better for all students, yet G and T programs indicate it NOT good for some students.
We are told that “special education” is a service not a place, yet G and T education IS a place.
How can this be?
Lisa,
I have never been a big fan of G&T schools. I think students need the challenge and stimulation appropriate to their abilities, interests, and talents. But I fail to see why this necessitates separate schools. Some kids might be accelerated in math but not history. Others in English, but not math. Separating kids out into schools only for the top 1% is not something I admire.
The major advantage of G and T schools is economies of scale. Few high schools, for example, would be able to offer a good class in multivariate calculus or linear algebra given the relatively few students who would be interested and capable of taking that class. Put all those students together in one high school though and you can offer a live class every year that students can take with many peers.
I do think that this is more of a problem with mathematics and the sciences than with english language arts. A student might fulfill a class assignment in a creative writing class by writing something that would make a professional author proud. No assignment in a high school mathematics class would result in something a professional mathematician would find interesting.
Thanks, teachingeconomist, but I was not referring to HS.
I get your points and think they are worth consideration, even if the outcomes and disparate impact in NYC HS’s choice and selection based system are at apartheid levels, overall.
Certainly testing and screening students at ages 13 or 14 is quite different from doing so at 4 years old when most G and T decisions are made in NYC.
That said do you think elementary and middle school students require these highly varied, accelerated classes?
interestingly the local G and T tracks in NYC cover the exact same curriculum as the general education classes do they just do so in a “deeper” and accelerated’ manner, though I am not clear what that means in terms of curriculum and teacher training (G and T instructors have to have some form of certification in NYC).
I think the answer to your question largely rests on what you mean by “require”.
In my local public school district (large for my state, small by comparison to the coasts at 10,000 students) there are no G&T schools at any level. Students who want advanced courses in high school can take courses at the local university if they can afford the tuition or will take an independent study class perhaps based on a MOOC. Students who are advanced in earlier grades will skip grades, which brings its own set of concerns. Those are possible alternatives to G&T education.
Is it better for a student to have an education that they find challenging and interesting among peers that they can interact with that also find their education challenging and interesting? Probably so. Is it required? That is a public policy decision.
Thanks, Diane.
Don’t most classrooms offer those opportunities?
I know with growing class sizes it is harder to provide “differentiated instruction” but isn’t that the assumption for all students? That they are getting extra support and challenging work in many ways throughout each day?
Leveled libraries, independent and group projects, class studies, field trips, overnight adventures, math games, mixed age groupings, individual conferences, editing and publishing parties, portfolio review, etc are some of the ways that teachers structurally “meet kids where they are”, I believe.
Test scores do not seem to provide the same lens on learning nor do academically selective school environments.
I honestly have never met a kid with NO gifts or talents and I have also never met a kid so gifted or talented that he or she had to be put in a special, separate environment in elementary or middle school.
But I have not met every kid- maybe they are out there?
“Leveled libraries, independent and group projects, class studies, field trips, overnight adventures, math games, mixed age groupings, individual conferences, editing and publishing parties, portfolio review” – yes! This would be a wonderful classroom. But, sadly, it is far from the norm. With overcrowding, teachers are doing more administrating and refereeing than any individual teaching. My daughter needed extra support with reading and her teacher flat out told me it couldn’t happen in her classroom. It’s teaching to the group and hoping everyone keeps up.
Thank you Ms. Ravitch for your words, insight, and honesty. It baffles and confounds me that everyone, but teaching professionals themselves are considered the experts when it comes to ed reform. Is it any wonder why one reform after another has failed to achieve its goals?
very nice post…
Thank you for this! I am a mom and a blogger, and I am using my blog to get information out to others about Common Core, along with my Facebook page. I have lost a few friends, but I am ok with that.
Thank you for expressing so eloquently what I’ve experienced first hand. I hope your voice will be heard.
Thank you so much for your intelligent, thoughtful, and articulate critique of the current national education regime. To me the heart of the issue was captured by this statement: “Education is not a race. It is about full human development of every human being. Education is not about winning or losing. It is about having the chance to develop one’s talents and abilities to the fullest.” This goes to the core of what is wrong with having business as a model for every social endeavor in our society.
Love this. Thanks for sharing
This statement – “The fact is that our international scores reflect the very high proportion of kids who live in poverty, whose scores are lowest.” – is incredibly inaccurate.
Actually, students from all socioeconomic backgrounds in the U.S. do worse. See this report: http://www.americaachieves.org/docs/OECD/Middle-Class-Or-Middle-Of-Pack.pdf
When I read the questions on that international test (the PISA), I find that they are questions that our students absolutely should be able to answer. There’s not any doubt in my mind that, if they can’t answer problem-solving questions like those, they are not prepared for college and good, decently-paying jobs.
Jacqueline, the scores on PISA predict nothing. Nothing. Our kids have never done well on PISA or other international tests and our Nation is the most powerful in the world. Explain that.
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What do you think of Eric Hanushek’s arguments about how student learning, as shown by these test scores, affects GDP? (http://educationnext.org/files/ednext_20082_62.pdf)
He mentions your argument, that our test scores have never affected us, but does point out, rightly so, that “the historic advantage of the U.S. in school attainment has come to an end, as half of the OECD countries now exceed the U.S. in the average number of years of education their citizens receive.” It’s not so much that the performance of U.S. students is slipping, but rather that they face increased competition (which they’ll feel in the globalized job market) — as the educational attainment of students in other countries increases.
Whether or not we can show an actual causal effect of student learning (as measured in test scores) on economic growth, what if we just look at the PISA questions and think about whether or not they are ones we’d like our students to be able to answer?
Here’s an example of a PISA test question, for those who may not have ever seen one: “The burning of coal, oil and natural gas, as well as deforestation and various agricultural and industrial practices, are altering the composition of the atmosphere and contributing to climate change. These human activities have led to increased concentrations of particles and greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The relative importance of the main contributors to temperature change is shown in Figure 1.” “Use the information in Figure 1 to develop an argument in support of reducing the emission of carbon dioxide from the human activities mentioned.” (Shortened slightly) http://pisa-sq.acer.edu.au/showQuestion.php?testId=2300&questionId=5
I don’t know about you, but that’s a much, much better test question than any I ever received on a high school standardized test. Shouldn’t our students be able to form argumentative arguments, using evidence? If they can’t, shouldn’t that worry us?
Vast natural resources, a society relatively untouched by the horrible devistation of wars, a strong system of property rights mad rule of law that encourages investment, a flexible market system all contribute to the relative wealth of he United States.
The United States also has the most Nobel Prize winners at 270. The UK has the second most at 101. The PISA had nothing to do with that either.
The PISA is an exercise in stupidity—I’m not talking about the 15-year olds that take that thing. I’m talking about the nut cases and idiots who created it. I think it’s just another scam for someone to make money from. Once you start to look closely at the differences between countries, the PISA makes no sense at all.
[…] on a single topic and takes (and takedowns) of widely circulated articles. Consider educator Diane Ravitch’s recent reply to Alexander Nazaryan of Newsweek on comedian Louis C.K. and Common Core standards, which summarizes the article and issue-at-hand […]
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Diane Ravitch providing some great insight into educational issues. Down with Common Core and national standards!
What about the children in foster care or the children that relocate due to their parents careers? Common core will be good for them, because they will know without a doubt that they are getting the same education whether they are in Alaska or in Alabama.
Please, consider doing this blog over. It is good, excellent, actually. I would just like for you to really enlighten me as to how common core wouldn’t be any good. I personally can give insight on how we need other things, but at the end of the day I can’t do anything about it until I have knowledge. Plus, it is only fair that all of us(the U.S.) are on one accord. It will not control how children with disabilities learn, because they have their own school, already equipped with teachers and tutors; some retired teachers, student teachers and people in general volunteer to help teach them. And common core doesn’t stop how the teacher teaches, it simple gives them guidelines to follow so they will know what to teach. So, please, I really do believe that if you are right and my outlook on common core is wrong, that you should do this topic over.
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An excellent read…and a viewpoint I wholeheartedly agree with. It is time to examine whether the Common Core is really the panacea we are all being sold, or simply a set of guidelines to which we should aspire, but not rely on completely. There is far too much at stake—we MUST look at poverty, language acquisition, demographics, and learning ability, and then factor in teacher accountability. The Common Core does not account for any of the issues faced by our nation’s students or teachers, not in a realistic fashion. An example: Teachers being “encouraged” to start discussing “college readiness” in a Kindergarten class, drilling these little minds using “nonsense words”, eschewing fiction, folktales, and fables in favor of mainly science and math-based non-fiction. This is not to say that non-fiction texts on science and math themes are not fascinating or academically sound…my own students love them. But the latter types of literature tap into the imagination, the psyche, the emotions. Well-rounded education should include these and more, taught with a passion by teachers who are allowed to teach! I truly hope the discussion continues about the Common Core. Even as I must follow these standards, I will continue to question them, find a way to implement them fairly, while continuing to bring in rich literature and truly phonetic awareness, to help my little English Language Learners make sense of words. Before they can tackle the “deeper and wider” standards, they must have the proper groundwork laid for language acquisition, it must be meaningful, and yes…joyful.
Thanks, Ms. Ravitch, for writing this insightful blog post, and keeping the conversation going.
In the state of Arizona, where I teach English Language Development, my students and I have struggled under previously inadequate standards, and now the too quickly-implemented Common Core standards. Although professional development covering the standards have been provided since implementation here (roughly around 2011), we were made to begin implementation (not trial implementation), while still being expected to teach the older standards, which many of teachers found redundant and a pointless exercise of “hoop-jumping”.
Then we found our curriculum (mainly reading and math) did not align to CCS. Our state testing did not align, either. So who was held responsible? The teachers. OK…so we research and locate adaptations to the curriculum, in an effort to address the gaps. Teacher “coaches” and state education department reps come in and point out our flawed choices, but provide little in the way of proper resources, opting instead to put all students on computer learning programs, computerized assessments, and then begin “piloting” a new state test, telling teachers to start teaching in preparation for this test…then, they pull the plug.
No fully rational explanation that has been provided as to why, but I suspect that the testing “heads” found out that this test, which was supposed to knit nicely with the CCS, was unsuccessful in providing a true picture of its efficacy—because the students taking it were not prepared to take a test for standards that have not been fully implemented for more than 2 years! It’s just insane to blame educators for students’ lack of CCS knowledge and familiarity, especially at this early stage of implementation, while lacking proper resources, support, or assessment solutions. It is simply madness.
A few years ago, we were discouraged from “teaching to the test”, but now, that is about all we are encouraged to do. I respect the use of technology, and varied assessments, in daily instruction. Snapshots of student learning should come from various sources, must be given with fidelity and consistency, and the data produced should be consulted and used to inform instruction. But there is truly no “one size fits all” assessment, any more than there are “one size fits all” learners. When the powers that be finally get around to seeing this simple truth, they will have lost a lot of good teachers, and we will have a nation of drones and dregs: Students who are doing most of their learning and assessing online, and students who drop out, only to become part of an ever-increasing “working poor” population, or worse yet, institutionalised. This is not an old argument, I realize, but it continues to be summarily dismissed by those who don’t actually do the teaching.
Despite this knowledge, we soldier on. Thanks for your insightful article, and your support. I have reblogged your post, and look forward to more! Thank you.
Having a suggested curriculum grades K-12 nationwide would be helpful to American families, who move around a lot. If 5th grade is the Civil War year, then kids will not be thrown into the middle of Egypt because they’ve moved across state lines. (Leaving the how and the what to the individual teacher or district.) But the great American error has always been teaching to the child’s weaknesses rather than to his strengths, which may help the struggling child (doubtful) but is disaster for the gifted! We need teachers who know how to run an individualized classroom in which every student is working at his own level. Yes, it can be done! Testing discovers whether the child is progressing compared only to his past progress, and achievement standards which must be reached by a given date in a given grade are put out with the rubbish where they belong. The great benefit to the child of doing it that way is that he will not be sent to the next level until he has truly mastered the current one, so he has firm ground from which to step up. Common Core then becomes a useful guideline, nothing more.
I teach at a California public charter and I agree with many points in this blog post.
I can’t speak for ELA, but the Nextgen Science standards which have been adopted by Common Core are not content specific. They are about thinking like a scientist or engineer, an improvement over the previous content driven standards. The Math standards are all about kids being able to explain their mathematical reasoning rather than rote use of math operations and formulas. Teachers in Alaska and Alabama will have the options to use meaningful content from their communities to meet the standards.
We also piloted the California standardized tests (ELA and Math only this year) at our school. Yes, they were lengthy. Kids who needed more time were given the time they needed since we planned for test make-up time. There were no cases of children crying. In fact, some kids even enjoyed the test! And most of them took the performance tasks in stride. We basically told the kids that this was a test of the test and that they shouldn’t be anxious about the tests.
It seems that at our school we have been able to adapt to the CC mostly because our administration and staff has taken the initiative to do so. This will not be true for all schools and that is where a divide might initially be apparent in the test results. This divide will not be caused by the standards alone. It might be exacerbated in schools where teaching to the test is norm and my theory is teaching to the test won’t really work with the new tests. Ultimately, it is up to the school districts and individual schools to implement the standards in their curriculum, and there are ways to do this without teaching to the test.
I wish for a less tense relationship between districts and charters. If districts look around, they will find that some charters are willing to collaborate with them to avoid the traps of teaching to the test and fearing the possibility of being de-funded.