An earlier post this morning offered advice about how to read reports about charter school data. A commenter complained that the data in the post specifically referring to Eva Moskowitz’s Success Academy was incomplete and therefore misleading.I asked the author of the post, who works at the headquarters of the Néw York City Department of Education, to respond. The author worked at Tweed during the Bloomberg era.
Here is the response:
“Success Academy’s Numbers
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“Let’s start by saying that all analysis of Success Academy is difficult because they refuse to be transparent with their data. When the New York State Comptroller attempted to audit Success Academy’s use of public money, Success Academy sued to prevent the audit. And Success Academy is, believe it or not, even less transparent with the data that would answer the questions in How to Analyze False Claims about Charter Schools. Every citizen should encourage Success Academy to openly share their data with the New York City Independent Budget Office or the New York City Comptroller’s Office so that a full evaluation of their numbers can be done.
“What do we know? We know that other analyses have found a similar result as the one shared in the essay. Very few of the Success Academy schools have been around long enough to establish a record. The ones that have show very, very, very high attrition rates.
“One such analysis found “at Success, the pattern is similar, if not more stark. Not only do its classes contain disproportionately few students with disabilities and English language learners (ELLs), but their numbers almost invariably decrease with each passing year. This should have no uncertain effect on test scores. Clearly, the ranks of students with disabilities consistently dwindle. The pattern for students learning English is less consistent but equally egregious. In the first two years of available data, there were hardly any ELLs. In 2010 Success suddenly came up with a nearly representative portion of these students, but their numbers more than halved by the next year. (2012-13 data isn’t yet disaggregated by student demographic.)”
“Insideschools reported that “according to figures on the school’s New York State Report Card, 83 students entered kindergarten in 2006-07, the school’s first year of operation. When that class reached 4th grade in 2010-11, it had only 53 students — a drop of 36 percent. Harlem Success also took in a 1st grade class with 73 students in 2006. When that group reached 5th grade, it too had shrunk appreciably — by 36 percent. The attrition accelerated as the classes advanced. The 2006-07 1st grade class, for example, did not shrink at all as it entered 2nd grade, but saw one sharp falloff between 2nd and 3rd and another between 4th and 5th.”
Yet another analysis found something similar “So the next thing I looked at was their student attrition. If they ‘lost’ many students, these scores are tainted. Now there is only one Success school that has been around since 2007. That school started with 83 kindergarteners and 73 first graders. Those cohorts just tested in 6th and 7th grade, respectively. The school has ‘lost’ a big chunk of those original 156 kids. Of those 73 first graders in 2007, only 35 took the seventh grade test. Of the 83 kindergarteners, only 47 took the sixth grade test last spring. Overall, they have ‘lost’ 47% of the original two cohorts. If this is one of the costs of having such high test scores, I’m not sure if it is worth it.”
“Success Academy rather uniquely tends to open elementary schools that only serve grades K-3 or K-4. This suggests that their attrition rate is high enough that it becomes necessary to combine multiple feeder elementary schools into a single middle school by 5th (or even 4th grade). It has been noted “it may be significant that the bulk of the attrition at Harlem Success Academy 1 seems to have come in the tested grades.”
“The essay analyzed the attrition rate at Success Academy using a different data set, namely the –testing cohort data. This may do a better job of accounting for Success Academy’s approach of holding many students back a grade level which creates a 3rd grade bulge as those students don’t move on to 4th grade. As clearly stated in the essay this method assumes that the size of each entering class is relatively stable from year to year, as they tend to be in the established Success Academy schools. The results are similar to those of other approaches which find attrition rates approaching or exceeding 50% by the end of middle school.
“Success Academy, more specifically Eva Moscowitz, is at a crossroads—they can choose to cancel school, to protest, to walk over bridges, to travel to Albany, to buy TV ads. Or they can choose to be transparent and open and conduct an honest conversation about education, equity and access for all children.”
After following the threads arguing pro and con the alleged success of Eva Moskowitz’s charter schools, I desperately wanted to see a ‘simple’ spread sheet comparable longitudinal data for Moskowitz and public schools. Until the public can make has access to data required to make valid comparisons, then the Moskowitz schools have not met their burden to demonstrate their comparative success. Lacking sufficient data, the postings of the Moskowitz advocates is tantamount to the “Sound and The Fury”, signifying nothing.
Agreed, I have a doctorate which allows me to read complex studies, but the average public citizen does not have the skills or inclination to cut through the B.S. The truth is all we have.
I can’t tell you about Success Academy’s data but I can tell you about the “secret” of the high-scoring parochial school my son went to: They sent the standardized test home for homework the night before the test! That’ll do it!
About twenty years ago, when all this testing craze started, I remember being excited about the “miracle” schools because I naively believed their “data.” Once I was going to travel to Boston to see one of these schools in person. However, I DID have the sense to do some research first and found out that every single one of these “miracle” schools had a “secret” to success. Some of these secrets were:
Hold back most of your first graders so that the test takers in the upper grades will be a year older than the population on which the test is normed.
Choose your student body carefully. Give a “placement test.”
Drill the students on the actual test from September to May.
Advise parents to take out low-achieving children. Say, “We cannot meet your child’s needs.”
Find a way to “excuse” your lowest performing children from the test. Make certain you give “make-ups” to the smart kids if they miss the test due to illness,
Manipulate your testing data. For example, say that parents did not complete high school even if they did.
Tutor the children who are most likely to score “proficient” on the test. Ignore students who always score very high or very low.
Etc. It’s fairly easy to game the system, especially when the school administers this test without anyone looking on.
The good news is that more and more journalists are catching on to this hustle. The sad news is that many are still so naive. For example, one writer reported that the regular public school kids scored in the lowest quartile on a standardized test while the charter kids, supposedly with the same socio-economic characteristics, scored above the ninetieth percentile. Yeah, right! These journalists often don’t even question these scores but just accept them as reported.
What education needs now more than anything is the truth. Now that the effects of the Great Recession are waning, I hope journalists will go back to doing some investigating before reporting.
Linda Johnson: spot on.
Thank you for your comments.
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Linda: I also attended a parochial school in what is now considered to be an inner city neighborhood in Brooklyn.
I’m very disheartened to hear that the school your son attends is basically condoning cheating in order to achieve good scores by the students.
Sad, and goes against everything that the good nuns at my now closed school taught us about character.
Joan, this incident at my son’s school was an isolated one, but I wanted to make the point that cheating occurs at all kinds of schools so these scores cannot be trusted unless the tests are administered professionally and with security.
I too went to a Brooklyn parochial school (St. Rose of Lima) that is now closed.
what are the legal rights for the students who are selected out?
What SA is doing is basically the “mantra” of corporate “ed reform” which is to create systems that can be favorably and sneakily gamed to favor their stance whether it is adding a few easy questions on a test, erasing wrong answers on a test, making kids in testing grades repeat a year to increase test score gains or by weeding out ELLs and special ed students. It seems as if everyone else in education has to be preoccupied with.. uncovering the “gaming scams” of these reformers and exposing their PR scams! Think Texas Miracle, NYC Miracle, DC Miracle… all of which have involved cheating and scamming. We need to stop playing these “games”. Glad that Ravitch is taking a good serious look at the false claims of Moskowitz whose self interest makes her out to prove that charters are heads above public schools. Just wondering how Obama’s newest education nominee, Ted Mitchell will plan an underhanded method to increase for profit “public school” charters despite what failures they are. I am sure he has probably put a plan into place well in advance of his recent appointment and already has full support of mega millionaires to assist in the implementation.
I’d brand this “The Moskowitz Mirage”
Its a miracle that more people cant see through her.
And Eva’s minions, where are they tonight?
cashing their checks?
Wait, MS hasn’t replied. Must be off the clock.
Daniel Spaniel: off the clock and preparing a “dueling rally” sign that reads on one side—
“Unfettered Greed Will Answer Every Need!”
And on the other side—
“$tudent $ucce$$ now, $tudent $ucce$$ tomorrow, $tudent $ucce$$ forever!”
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Well, the secret to sustainable success has always been to cook the books. Please see:regression to the mean.
Until MS, or whomever represents the Moskowitz empire, presents substantial valid and reliable data there is no point in engaging in further ‘back and forth’, unless you get your kicks from useless, endless disputation for naught. What we can do is to work in our communities to support public schools by dispelling the myths and fairy tales perpetrated by he ‘reformers’.
Hi John, see my post below. The problem is that the anti choice movement doesnt acutally do their homework, they just run with the first blog they see claiming something is up at a charter. I have dispelled each and every single charge against SA on this blog for about a month now. Unfortunately all we see are Mrs Ravitchs bloggers regurgitating the same factless drivel.
MS/charter PR consultant, I am pro-choice, my preference being pepsi.
You still haven’t answered my question if you are being remunerated or have relations to someone/something, which compels you to post here.
Are charters required to report when and why students leave their school? Perhaps there should be a policy that parents fill out an exit poll. If that is not possible, maybe the public schools should report where the student was before enrolling in their school. That should be simple enough to do considering all the information they collect at registration.
In NYC Public Charter schools have lower attrition rates vs zoned schools. Why are you more concerned with the lower attrition at public charters and not concerned with higher attrition rates at zoned schools?
I am not more worried about one vs the other. I think it would be useful to find out why students leave any school. For the zoned schools, do the students leave the district or do they enroll in different schools? I think it would be useful to know why children leave any school and to also know where they go.
In my town, with a high number of low income students, people tend to move (even in the middle of a school year) so we have students leaving but we also have students enrolling on an on-going basis. Maybe that is the case at SA?
If you read what I wrote, I did state that it would be helpful if zoned public schools reported where the student was enrolled before registering – I didn’t limit that they only note if they were coming from a charter school.
Everyone should be concerned about attrition rates at all schools and we should work to find out the cause. IF SA wants to help all students and be a model for change, they should want to know why students leave their school and to figure out how to minimize students leaving.
Has the total # of students in neighborhood schools dropped?
I only asked the questions because I think we need more information.
In NYC they leave for choice. People talk about the speical needs kids being kicked out of one public charter to be tossed into the zoned school a lot, but what they do not understand is that the kid is generally going to be better off in that zoned school. Public charters are underfunded on the state level compared to the zoned schools, they just do not have the funding to put into special needs classes. It makes sense that a parent would choose to put their child in a zoned school vs a public charter because that zoned school will have better programs for special needs. If I were a parent of a special needs child why would I even try to put him in a charter that doesnt get funding for it when my local zoned school has funding, specialized teachers for it and programs built around it. This is choice doing what it’s suppose to.
Now, Success Academy use to put aside 20% of their lottery seats for ELL students but the federal government made them stop. Its ironic that we hear these fallicious calls of creaming out yet its the laws passed by the Obama Administration that forced SA to stop its lottery preference for ELL students:
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130913/upper-west-side/no-more-reserved-ell-seats-at-success-academy-leaves-advocates-fuming
SA worked very hard to increase its ELL student population but the government at the fedreal and state levels have left them pretty hamstrung on this issue.
I responded to this latest lame attempt to discredit Success Academy yeasterday and the moderators erased my post. It is clear that Mrs Ravitch probably does not post or write much of what is posted on this blog, she has workers doing it for her. I will post my response again, lets see if it gets erased again…..
my post is ‘waiting moderation’! If anyone wants to read it they can also find it on this thread in the comments section:
https://dianeravitch.net/2014/02/28/how-to-analyze-false-claims-about-charter-schools/
Both posts are virtually the same given the thread is the same lame attack dog nonsense lacking any credible fact.
This comment is further evidence of the total disregard for facts, the willingness to repeat oft-debunked lies, and the capacity to make-up numbers that seems to be a common characteristic of charter school supporters.
Let’s address the falsehoods one by one:
The audit: As the largest charter school chain in NYC Success Academy’s use of PUBLIC MONEY is and should be subject to audit. To quote the actual information in the link ” DiNapoli cited a 2010 amendment to education law that said charter schools, in addition to submitting to audits by authorizing entities, “shall be subject to audits of the comptroller of the state of New York at his or her discretion.”” Cant get much clearer than that. Again, what is Eva hiding? Why the refusal to be transparent?
Charter costs: The Independent Budget Office already replied http://ibo.nyc.ny.us/cgi-park/?p=763 to the paper cited by the commentator. Note that the paper was written by a charter advocacy group NOT independent researchers. This is one of the standard charter tricks noted in the essay above. Citing biased groups and organizations and not independent ones does not do much for your cause.
Attrition rate: As per the Independent Budget Office report charter schools in NYC as a sector lose many more students with low test scores, student with special needs, and English Language Learners than nearby public schools. They get rid of the kids who bring down the test scores. This makes any flaunting of test score results by charters a ridiculous fiction. Of course your test scores are high if you get rid of kids with low test scores.
The students in public schools, specifically public schools that dont screen their students prior to admission and whose parents are not required to apply to schools, have a high mobility rate. This means that they move from place to place due to family circumstances. When this happens students transfer from one public school to another. This is not the same as the selective attrition aimed at specifically getting rid of kids who bring down test scores that the IBO data shows charter schools employ.
Comparisons to public schools: All the other links cut and pasted by the “MS” commentator betray the flaws specifically called out in the essay. They don’t account for any of the questions in the ICBS strategy and are therefore irrelevant.
The only thing we are waiting for is your answer to the question: Are you being remunerated to post here? Your ‘parent’ cover has been blown.
This is not aimed at Success Academy. This is about charters and the gaming in general. A trend I’ve discussed many times. (I have also noted that gaming the system would become SOP for teachers and schools in order to keep jobs or promote “success.”)
I propose basic math:
1. A school has 100 third graders and 50 score proficient on the state exam. 50% passage rate. The following year, due to a variety of reasons they retain 80 of those students. The same 50 are proficient. 62.5% passage rate. Growth!
2. A school has 100 third graders and 50 score score proficient on the state exam. 50% passage rate. 30 are held back due to poor performance. 70 are promoted to 4th grade. They all stay. Full retention. The following year 50 pass the state exam. 71.4% passage rate. Growth!
Now combining those two elements is delightful.
3. A school has 100 third graders. 50 score proficient on the state exam. 20 leave the school (for whatever reason, could be normal transiency, could be counseled out, whatever). Another 30 are held back for failing to pass the state test. The next year, fourth graders number fifty and all pass the test. 100% pass. What an amazing school!
People don’t understand how this kind of gaming goes on. It’s the explanation of the “Florida Miracle” on 4th grade test scores. It’s a game. People misunderstand and misinterpret statistics all the time. If you want great examples, read “The Drunkard’s Walk” by Leonard Mlodinow.
I had it happen to me. I teach AP European History. On average, I have 75 students per year take the class but not many take the test. Two years ago, I had 30 students take the test and most were not ready for the challenge. I looked at the list and braced for a low passage rate. 17 scored a “3” or better (passing). The following year 30 different kids took the AP test and I looked at the list and saw many of the most dedicated students. 24 scored a “3” or better with 4 receiving the highest score of “5” (no “5’s” the prior year). An administrator said that I showed great improvement with my kids over the prior year. Not really. In fact in reflection, I felt I had done worse. Many of my newer lesson plans were kind of flat. But my administrator didn’t make the connection that it was a better caliber of students who took that test the second year.
Steve K: thank you for keeping it real.
Not Rheeal.
I don’t care who generates the numbers and stats—context, definitions, low- or high-stakes attached to figures, etc., need to be considered.
And that can only happen when context, definitions, procedures, etc., are available for public viewing and analysis.
The public HS where I worked juked the stats on all sorts of things in order to keep up its public image—in large part to attract high-scoring students to its special magnet programs. And I know you will be shocked—shocked I tell you!—that it worked.
Gaming the system is especially addictive when it works out well—at least for the people doing the gaming.
Again, thank you for your comments.
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The Success Academy refuses to be transparent with their data, and sued to prevent an audit.
Well, what does that imply to the average reader of this blog? To me, they have something to hide.
Seems counterintuitive to their claims, doesn’t it?
My posts are being deleted by the moderators now. LOL, how Stalinist…
Even Stalin provided public schools, as it was seen as an investment in the nation. You, PR flak, are only interested in private profit from public investment, using contrived statistics.
What is the total per pupil spending at SA? How much grant money does this school receive?
If every child attends in a charter school, who will pay for the buildings and upkeep?
Will every charter receive large grants? (I assume the people giving these grants are doing so in part for their own tax savings and they don’t have an endless supply of money they are willing to give to charter schools).
If the total per pupil spending is less when considering all sources of funds, then you have a point. However, if the schools are getting money from other sources it is not correct that they are getting better (bubble-in test) results at a lower cost per pupil.