The Tweed insider who sends occasional reports to this blog is still anonymous. Still too dangerous to step out in the open. Wouldn’t it be swell if the Department of Education actually had a research department, instead of a hyper-active public relations department?
Insider here reviews the report on charter schools by the NYC Independent Budget Office. The report covered only the early grades, not the middle grades or high school years.
He/she writes:
Charter schools often seem to be at the center of the national debate on education. So much so in fact that when Mayor Bill de Blasio promised to review charter school policy in New York City, Eric Cantor, the Republican House Majority Leader in the United States Congress, went on the attack. Cantor claimed that de Blasio would “devastate the growth of education opportunity” and threatened to hold committee hearings about the city’s policies. To say the least it is unusual for a House Majority Leader from the United States Federal Government to threaten a city mayor who has been in office for less than 10 days. What could explain Cantor’s conniptions?
Data in a report released by the New York City Independent Budget Office the day after Cantor made his threats might answer our question. The report revealed that charter schools in New York City manage to get rid of students with lower test scores, special education students, and students who are often absent.
Here are some of the relevant quotes from the report:
“The results are revealing. Among students in charter schools, those who remained in their kindergarten schools through third grade had higher average scale scores in both reading (English Language Arts) and mathematics in third grade compared with those who had left for another New York City public school.”
“Only 20 percent of students classified as requiring special education who started kindergarten in charter schools remained in the same school after three years, with the vast majority transferring to another New York City public school (see Table 5). The corresponding persistence rate for students in nearby traditional public schools is 50 percent.”
“Absenteeism is an even greater predictor of turnover for students in charter schools, compared with its predictive power for students in nearby traditional public schools.”
It appears that Cantor and other self-proclaimed education reformers fear that transparency about the charter sector will reveal that it is an empire of cards. Rather than truly providing students with a better education it is evident that, as a sector, charter schools are just playing parlor tricks, getting rid of students who are bringing down their scores (and sending those students to the local public schools of course). No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top have managed to turn education into a set of accounting gimmicks.
Another facet of the education debate revealed by the publication of this data is the extent to which spin rather than the facts is allowed to dominate in the media. The report is now being spun by the New York Times as “addressing a common criticism of New York City charter schools, a study… said that in general their students were not, in fact, more likely to transfer out than their counterparts in traditional public schools.”
In fact, the study provides evidence that charters schools in New York City are deliberately selecting which students they keep. They keep, at a higher rate than local public schools, only those students who bring up their test scores. And they kick out students who bring down their test scores. This gets to the core mission of public education. Are schools meant to serve all students or only students who produce good metrics for the schools they attend? The charter school sector and its advocates seem to believe their only moral obligation is to serve students who do school well. Students who don’t do school well are selectively encouraged and badgered to leave or are told they are not a “good fit.” Public schools, on the other hand, still believe that education should be open to all kids and that society has an obligation to provide for every single child.
In a fascinating twist this report follows a paper released in September by two conservative think tanks claiming that the charter sector in New York City does not discriminate against students with special needs. They alleged that charter schools have fewer special education students because fewer “choose” to apply and because charter schools are less likely to classify students as needing special education services “preferring instead to use their autonomy to intervene.” This paper was trumpeted by the media and treated as though it was a genuinely objective analysis, despite the fact that its methodology had been thoroughly debunked by the National Education Policy Center. With the data in the Independent Budget Office report we now have evidence that the charter sector’s preferred intervention is to selectively attrite students who would benefit from additional supports instead of actually trying to succor them. As long as the media accepts the “findings” of clearly biased think tanks funded by conservative groups as relevant to education policy we will not be able to have an honest national conversation about what works for children.
Where do we go next? The push for greater transparency within the charter sector must continue. Charters must be subject to the same reporting requirements as public schools. Complete data must be made public so that researchers can analyze what is truly going on. At the same time the role of charters in education policy must be minimized. Charters continue to take up bandwidth that should be devoted to discussions about how to make all schools for all kids better and better. It is by now abundantly clear that the charter sector as a whole has little to contribute to this conversation.

Transparency will not emerge from the Charter schools. Therefore, it is up to individuals and organizations to ensure that the public has access to information that woul otherwise remain submerged. We ca’t rely on the printed media, who have proven to be incapable of evincing or upholding journalistic standards. We must gain access to alternative media and to any school committee members who remain pro public school. It is time to throw out the rascals from school boards, elected or appointed and to go after the elected municipal officials who work hand in glove with reformers’. Attend every school committee meeting, demand to be heard, take out informational advertisements in local papers.organize parents at every school. Make noise. End passivity and “Bring the war home”. Otherwise, we will remain functionally invisible, the converted talking
to the converted. There is hope, but we must actively grab it and not wait for it like Godot.
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It is unfortunate that this is being made to be the fault of conservatives. There are plenty of liberal organizations and individuals promoting, supporting, and profiting from Charter schools. We can only change this if we all direct our energies towards the problem without assigning political labels to the promoters of Charters.
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Only if you incorrectly conflate “Democrat” with “liberal”. There is nothing liberal about handing over the public Commons to private hands for profit, even if some of the people doing it have Ds after their names.
But you would be right if you said that this indicates how little difference there is between the parties.
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Charters are funded through taxes just as public schools. I don’t understand how they can dodge the laws that govern public schools when in essence they are using public funds. This is outrageous.
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Because a lot of these charter schools lobby aggressively and have connections–to the wealthy and lawmakers. In my state, for example, several of the most vocal charter school advocates in the state legislature are employed, or have family employed, by charter organizations or companies that build charter schools.
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Your missing the point!!! This not about political affiliation this about money and greed and getting re-elected. That is what Cantor is all about. Not just him but all of them. They voted themselves great health care remember that? Unfortunately, no one who has any morals or values wants to work in Congress and I don’t blame them. Look at Susan Collins, she is leaving because the state of politics and she is very neutral person. Look at the fact that Congressional statesman are protecting their own interests for whatever reason.
We as parents and teachers need to watch out for our children. We can’t rely on these people because they are all crooked!!!!
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The L.A. Times once said that you said that
“there are charter schools that have
decided they can get equally good results with inexpensive
teachers.” You should add to that sentence, “with the
easiest-to-educate students.” Yeah, that’s right. I’m
talking about “cherry-picking” or “creaming”.
(and for the record, even with those charter schools with
the easiest-to-educate students still rarely outscore the
district schools)
Case-in-point: AUDUBON MIDDLE SCHOOL
Dr. DeWayne Davis, the principal at LAUSD’s Audubon
Middle school, wrote Dr. Diane Ravitch a letter which Diane
posted on her site. In this letter, Dr. Davis condemned the
“midyear dump” of students from the nearby charter
schools. Every year, just after winter break, there are
about 147 or so kids that have left those charter schools—
either kicked out or “counseled out”. I can’t recall
the exact figures, but he said about 142 of those are FBB
(Far Below Basic)—kids who score low because of being
innately “slower”, non-cooperative, “Special Ed”,
newcomers to the country who are brand new to
English, those students just plain not willing to
work hard, from distressed home lives, foster care,
homeless, etc.
Davis tells about the great difficulties that teachers have
in their efforts to absorb these charter cast-off’s into their
classes. For the next month or two—or for even the remainder
of the school year—teachers and the pre-existing students
report varying states of chaos as a result of the nearby
charter schools engaging in this despicable “midyear
dump”.
Of course, think of the effect this has on Audubon’s
scores—they go DOWN—and on the nearby charter
schools—they go UP.
Charter school executives were furious with
Dr. Davis that he was “airing dirty laundry” to
Dr. Ravitch.
Here’s the quote from Dr. Davis:
DR. DEWAYNE DAVIS:
“It is ridiculous that they (charter operators) can
pick and choose kids and pretend that they are
raising scores when, in fact, they are just purging
nonperforming students at an alarming rate.
That is how they are raising their scores, not by
improving the performance of students.
“Such a large number of FBB students will handicap
the growth that the Audubon staff initiated this year,
and further, will negatively impact the school’s
overall scores as we continue to receive a recurring
tide of low-performing students.”
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One teacher activist explained this phenomenon with
the following analogy:
“It’s like you have two oncology (cancer treatment) practices:
Oncology Practice A
&
Oncology Practice B.
“Oncology Practice A only accepts patients with
Stage 1 cancers, carefully screening out those with
Stages 2, 3, or 4 cancers. They send the latter down
the street to Oncology Practice B. If one of the latter
happens to sneak by this screening process, they
likewise are immediately referred down the street
to Oncology Practice B. Similarly, if any of the
patients’ condition advances from Stage 1
to Stage 2, they are also kicked out and
sent down the street to Oncology Practice B.
“Meanwhile, Oncology Practice B, by law, MUST
ACCEPT ALL PATIENTS who show up in their
waiting room, and are banned from doing what
Oncology Practice A is doing—again, being selective
at the outset to only accept the Stage 1 cancer patients,
and doing a later screening out to maintain that
their patients are exclusively Stage 1.
“Well, low and behold, as things play out, the ‘data’
shows that Oncology Practice A has much higher
cure rates and higher remissions, while Oncology
Practice B has a greater percentage of patients
who are relapsing, having to undergo multiple
surgeries, enduring extra rounds of chemotherapy,
etc., and of course, dying.
“Proponents of Oncology Practice A then claim, ‘Look
at all that’s wrong with all Oncology Practice B. Their
patients are suffering, not being cured, and even dying.
And then look at how wonderfully we’re doing here
over at Oncology Practice A’.”
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Is it really reasonable to attack charter schools because they drop kids whose attendance records are bad?
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Then allow public schools to do the same. Evaluations must be made on a level playing field.
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Of course it isn’t fair! Typical anti-charter rhetoric! I can’t stand it when these people stamp their feet and whine about all those public schools that drop kids whose attendance records are bad as well.
Oh.
Wait.
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Harlan, this is what happens when you impose a market-based business model on public schools. The children are reduced to “commodities,” and the desirability of those commodities are judge by two factors:
No. 1) lowest cost to educate;
No. 2) highest outputs (i.e. profits) based on test scores.
Regarding No. 1, the students with Special Ed. are legally required to have smaller classes, with teachers who have extensive training, and also require multiple teacher aides (the number depending on the degree of disability of the students.). When you approach schools from a capitalist perspective, YOU CAN’T HAVE THOSE KIDS ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR SCHOOL.
Regarding No. 2, those same special ed kids will never score high and thus deliver those high outputs you desire. The same goes for:
— ESL students
— newly arrived immigrant children who are brand new
to learning English;
— Homeless students;
— Foster care students;
— Just plain average students
The high-end charters take it even further, and in their application forms and process, screen out kids who:
— have parents who never attended college;
— have a household income below a certain threshold.
— cannot pass an “entrance test” (I’m reminded of activist Caroline Grannan who wanted to see if the KIPP school would take her child, only to find out that her daughter needed to pass a test in order to “test into” KIPP.)
— cannot produce a report card with high enough grades
— do not bring their most recent test scores, or who do bring them, but the scores are not high enough
… and on and on…
Harlan, they’re not commodities; they’re human beings.
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At the K-8 level, absolutely. Most kids don’t have a shred of control over their attendance until high school – if Mom/Dad/babysitter/legal guardian don’t make sure they get there, young children have no way of making that happen on their own. Even at the high school level a lot of kids have circumstances they have little control over – having to babysit younger siblings or take care of Mom after a binge, being afraid to cross gang lines after their neighborhood school gets closed, etc. The kids who miss the most are the ones who need the most help. The schools should be doing all they can to figure out how to get those kids *in* school, not kick them out.
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To extend the above analogy, imagine the
promoters of a chain of “Oncology Practice
A” treatment centers then arguing:
“And guess what? Oncology Practice A’s doctors
are a lot cheaper, too—and cost the taxpayers less—
because they never went to one of those
expensive so-called ‘medical schools’ (or
they dropped out halfway through). After all,
medical school grads have to be paid so much
more, even when we know they’re not that
all that great, as determined by the ‘data’
(“data” that was made to order by organizations
funded by the promoters of Oncology Practice
A treatment centers.)
“Instead, these unlicensed, (or alternatively-licensed)
care-providers at Oncology Practice A merely went to an
‘alternative certification’ medical program (think Teach
for America er… Doctors for America).
“Sure, it’s just a short 5-week ‘crash course’, but look
at how their data/results/patient outcomes
outdo that of those expensive Oncology
Practice B doctors, with all their high-falutin’
but ineffective…
” ‘M.D. degrees’,
” ‘four-year
residency programs’,
” ‘internships at the Harvard Medical
School.
” ‘attending-ships at the Mayo Clinic’, etc.
“Don’t you see? This just proves how useless
all that expensive extra higher education and
training that Oncology Practice B physicians get is,
and what a waste of money it is for taxpayers to
pay them for it.”
(I’m referring the NCTQ’s ‘studies’ proving that
university teacher training is “worthless”… as
detailed on this site).
They then further impugn the “medical schools”
as being out to protect the livelihood of all
who teach and work there, at the expense of
patients… as they don’t allow “competition”
from “Doctors for America.”
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NCLB and RTTT have encouraged the focus on massaging data and numbers instead of focusing on education. Without such federal laws and their obsession with testing “outcomes,” schools would not have as big an incentive to play these sorts of games with numbers. Without such laws, laws that deliberately privilege the growth of the charter sector, the charter sector would be identified for what it is: a slight of hand numbers game, NOT genuine educational progress.
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I’ve got so much more to say on this.
At union meetings, I always have my ears open.—and
in LAUSD, I can tell you that this “creaming”
of the “best and the brightest kids” by LAUSD
charter schools is widespread,
and
that the concurrent “purging” (Dr. Davis’ word) of the
lowest performing/hardest-to-educate back into the
public school system is similarly rampant.
The current UTLA chair at one school tells
me the big dump of FBB’s from
the nearby charter schools happens just before…
you guessed it… the CST’s. Isn’t that timing a little
suspicious? The elementary school where I
teach has the same problem.
Here’s the other problem with dumping/moving
kids from Charter schools to public schools…
THE MONEY DOES NOT FOLLOW THE
STUDENTS. A charter school can keep a student
for just a month, a week, or even just a day (though
they’re rarely that blatant), and THEY KEEP THE
FUNDING FOR THAT STUDENT FOR THE
REMAINDER OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. No
pro-rata amount of funding follows that child
to the public school to which he/she is being
dumped.
Think of the resulting impact on both schools—
public and charter. The charter school now
has MORE money to teach less (and easiest-to-
educate) kids, while the public school must
struggle to teach more (and hardest-to-educate
kids) with LESS money.
In another example, a 5th grade GATE (Gifted
And Talented Education) teacher from
an elementary school in the South Area,
told me about the P.S.C. battle over a
newly-built school in her area.
The P.S.C.—Public School Choice—
was a program thankfully abandoned
due to a positive change in the makeup
of LAUSD’s schoolboard. Incredibly
and outrageously it gave over
low-performing campuses—old
and brand new—to charter school
operators.
There was even a non-binding vote
from the parents and community as
to what their preferences were for
who took over the school…. which
were all overwhelmingly in favor
of keeping the schools within
the oversight of the district with
unionized teachers.
In the vote regarding the new
“Firestone Avenue” campus (discussed below),
the community was unanimous in their
rejection of having an outside charter
operator (ASPIRE) taking the campus, and
instead supporting the teacher/community
plan. Numerous meetings, door-to-door
walks etc. led to a near unanimous (95%)
vote in favor of the UTLA teacher/community
plan followed.
Did they get the school? No, Yolie Flores, then LAUSD
board member with connections to ASPIRE, ignored
the will of the community and was the prime mover
in giving this brand knew multi-million-dollar school
site to over to the ASPIRE charter school company.
(Ms. Flores was rewarded for this with a $200,000
job in the charter industry after she left the board…
but that’s another story.)
(It’s now called ASPIRE FIRESTONE. Every time I
drive by, it pisses me off.)
Here’s where the “creaming” issue comes in. This
GATE teacher, whom I know well, told me about
the George Steinbrenner-like attempts to recruit
her gifted students over to ASPIRE FIRESTONE.
“Someone at the District gave ASPIRE all the contact info
on all my students—addresses, phone numbers, emails,”
she told me, “My students’ parents are being
deluged with phone calls, mailings, and even
door knockings in person from ASPIRE telling them
how much better it will be for the students if they
transfer to ASPIRE FIRESTONE. They use these
ridiculous lies and scare tactics about how if they stay
at our school, ‘their children will never be
able to go to college.’ They’re trashing our school,
and by implication, me, and in this context, we and I
have no way to counter these lies.”
“Is it working?” I asked.
“No, we only lost two kids. One parent even compared
it to when she was stalked by some guy who kept
trying to ask her out on a date, but would not take
no for an answer. The ASPIRE people were very polite,
but also very pushy and creepy, like someone from a religious
cult. Most of the parents are angry at their contact
info being given out without their consent, and the
harassment that resulted.”
Another thing you have to consider is… “how
did these kids get to this point where they
are now so desirable for the charters to attempt
to poach them from the public schools?”
Apart from the innate abilities these kids
have, it was due to the hard work, skills, and
dedication of those unionized permanent
teachers at the traditional public schools
that got these students to this point—from
Pre-K all the way to 4th or 5th or whatever
grade the kids are when they are targeted
for poaching.
And then, if the kids are successfully
poached and lured over to the school,
THE CHARTERS THEN TAKE ALL
THE CREDIT FOR THESE STUDENTS
ACADEMIC SUCCESS (???!!!)
You see no such outreach from the
charters for:
—special ed kis
—homeless kids
—foster care kids
—kids with behavior issues
—low-performing kids.
I’ve talked with over a dozen 4th grade
and higher teachers who describe charter
schools’ George Steinbrenner approach to
selecting their student body… You “buy
the Yankees”… as the saying goes, “and
you’ll win the World Series.”
And here’s the kicker to all of this…
even with all this kicking out, poaching,
etc. THE CHARTERS STILL DO NOT
OUTDO THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC
SCHOOLS IN ACHIEVEMENT (on the
dubious measure of test scores)!!!
They should be kicking ass, and they’re
not. At best, they get similar results,
and at worst, results below traditional
schools.
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The true-life story of former L.A. Mayor Villaraigosa, a product of the much-maligned-in-
recent-days public school system, is instructive in this instance.
(Mind you, Villaraigosa was “bought” by the privatizing “school reform” crowd shortly after being elected… and is today a highly-paid puppet and mouthpiece for the union-busting, privatizing “ed reform” croud… but that’s another story… a sad one.)
When he was a boy, Antonio’s biological father abandoned his mother
and siblings. As a consequence, he was involved in gangs,
and criminal behavior as a teenager. Back then, he would certainly
have been barred from the typical charter school, or kicked out
shortly afterward.
However, there was one public school teacher, Herman Katz, who took an
interest in Antonio. A surrogate father, he encouraged him to make
something of himself, pushed him to turn his life around,
work harder at school, and then later, apply for college, and on and on…
(And I know this sounds like a Hollywood movie, but it’s our former mayor
who claims this all to be true). In lieu of his father, former Mayor Villairagosa
had Mr. Katz sitting in the front row behind him while he was
twice inaugurated.
Here’s a 2-minute video of former Mayor Villaraigosa and Herman Katz”
http://myteachermyhero.com/story/98/usa/ca/los-angeles/antonio-villaraigosa/
Do you think if education officials and a teacher like Mr. Katz had
the same attitude towards and treatment of difficult students
that charter school so, that Mayor Villaraigosa’s life would have
turned out the way it did?
Do you think that the Walmart-ized charter schools that the privatizers
want to replace traditional public schools with—i.e. low-paid teachers, poor/mediocre results, and sky-high attrition of both teachers and students—would produce an outcome like that of Mayor Villaraigosa?
Indeed, a student with the same behavior profile as Antonio would likely be kicked out … er excuse me… “counseled out” of these schools, and dumped back into the resource-starved public schools.
You know… the same “failure factories”, or “dropout factories” that privatizers also want to privatize eventually?
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Sure is valuable to read the actual report (which I have done). Some of the comments above do not appear to have been informed by doing so.
A few key points:
* This was a study of about 10,000 kids in NYC elementary schools…not all charters, not all district schools.
* Researchers looked at students grades k-3.
“On average, student at charters stay at their schools at a higher rate than students at nearby traditional schools.” Please re-read that sentence.
“This higher rate of staying at charter schools also is found when students are compared in terms of gender,race/ethnicity, poverty, and English learner status” So students from low income families and students who are English Language Learners are MORE likely to stay in charters.
“The one major is special education students, who leave charter schools at a much higher rate than either general education students in charter schools or special education students in traditional public schools. Only 20 percent of students classified as requiring special education services who started kindergarten in charter schools remained in the same school after three years.”
This definitely DOES need more examination. But those of you critical of charters might want to consider the findings re low income kids and ELL students.
Here’s what it said:
“IBO examined a cohort of students who entered kindergarten in September 2008 and followed them through third grade. This involved tracking data on 3,043 students in 53 charter schools and 7,208 students in 116 traditional public schools nearest to each charter.
We compared the rate at which charter school students in this cohort left their kindergarten school with the rate at which those in the same cohort in neighboring traditional public elementary schools left their schools. In addition to comparing the overall rates for the schools, we also consider any differences in rates based on such student characteristics as gender and race/ethnicity as well as poverty, special education, or English language learner status. Among our findings:
On average, students at charter schools stay at their schools at a higher rate than students at nearby traditional public schools. About 70 percent of students attending charter schools in school year 2008-2009 remained in the same school three years later, compared with 61 percent of students attending nearby traditional public schools three years later.
This higher rate of staying at charter schools also is found when students are compared in terms of gender,race/ethnicity, poverty, and English learner status.
The one major exception is special education students, who leave charter schools at a much higher rate than either general education students in charter schools or special education students in traditional public schools. Only 20 percent of students classified as requiring special education services who started kindergarten in charter schools remained in the same school after three years.
We also found that for both charter school and traditional public school students, those who stayed in the same school from kindergarten through third grade did better on standardized math and reading tests in third grade than students from the cohort who switched schools. The achievement gap between stayers and movers was considerably larger for those who left charter schools and the gap was larger in math than reading.”
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Joe,
I can tell you how admissions works at a traditional public school in Los Angeles, as I’ve witnessed it with my own eyes on countless occasions.
Parents (or a parent) brings their/his/her child to the counter of a school’s Main Office, and presents the office manager with proof that that child lives in the attendance area—apartment lease, utility bill, etc.
Watch what happens next.
While that parent is still filling out the paperwork, the child is then escorted to a classroom with an admissions slip, and introduced to the new teacher and classmates, then is immediately given a desk, books, etc. (or, if they had been in a special ed. class at their previous public school, are escorted to a special ed class appropriate to their needs.)
You got that?
In a traditional public school, anyone within the attendance area—and can prove it with just a valid document—and who shows up in that office gets immediately placed, with no conditions or qualifications (other than special ed, as described in the above paragraphy.)… at any day during that 180-days school year.
That’s how the traditional public school dream of accessibility and opportunity for all works.
We take ‘em all, Baby!
In the charters… not so much… with the KIPP schools and others, there’s a total ban on transfers students being admitted, after the start of school.
Think of it as an arrow on a flow chart that only flows ONE WAY… and that’s OUT THE FRONT door for the harder-to-educate kids getting kicked out… errr… excuse me… “counseled out” from charter schools, and no accompanying arrow going the other way. (Exceptions are made, of course, for gifted and high-achieving students who will raise charter schools’ overall test scores, of course.)
As for ESL, many charters have applications which inquire as to the following:
— primary language spoken in the home;
— the household income;
— number of occupants in the household (???!!!)
When asked why such things are on the application, charter operators will say, “It’s so we can best meet the students’ needs.”
Oh yeah, THEN WHY DON’T YOU ASK THIS -AFTER- THEY’VE BEEN ACCEPTED AND PLACED IN A CLASSROOM? Why is that on the application that also says of itself that “Submission of this form does not constitute enrollment”? (SEE BELOW)
If this information is not used to screen out certain classes of kids, why do you need it BEFORE a child is accepted and placed?
This dovetails to the discussion of the infamous lotteries. Charter operators stubbornly refuse to have their lotteries operated by an outside, neutral third party, one that would ensure that every parent that puts in an application has a card with their kids’ name will end up in the lottery’s rolling drum… you know, like you see in those grotesque, manipulative spectacles you see in all the propaganda documentaries like WAITING FOR SUPERMAN.
With this the case, it’s so easy for charter folks to make sure that Juan or Maria with mono-lingual Spanish-speaking immigrant parents to “accidentally” have their card left out of the rolling drum…
Ditto for the applications of low-income parents, or—SEE BELOW—the students who have too many occupants in the household…
If that question about “number of occupants in the household” is not racist against Latino immigrants, then what the-Hell is?
Also, as shown in Michael Winerup’s exposes of NYC charters, even those kids who win the lottery can be throw out… er excuse me again…. “counseled out” of the schools of Eva and Geoffrey and whomever.
In L.A., the schools charter application can say in large print that they’re out to serve the attendance area near the school’s location, but conveniently in the small print, state that they’re also open to students who live in a wider geographic area… in effect, rendering their promise to educate students in the attendance area effectively meaningless and worthless.
What they want is real estate and funding, with the freedom to cream an easier-to-educate student body from an unlimited attendance area.
A couple year back, I downloaded the application for CITIZENS OF THE WORLD Charter school here in Los Angeles.
Here’s some of what I saved: (as it has since been removed, and applications are no longer downloadable on the internet… more on that later):
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“APPLICATION FOR ENROLLMENT 2012-2013
(SOLICITUD DE INSCRIPCION)
“due by 3/1/12
“Please read the instructions carefully. Submission of this form does not constitute enrollment. Please complete one enrollment form per student.”
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Note this “does not constitute enrollment” disclaimer is unlike the public school scenario I have witnessed, and which I’ve described above.
Below is more. Before they start with the notorious questions, they then post the “me-thinks-the-lady-doth-protest-too-much” disclaiimer:
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“The following questions do NOT impact your chances for enrollment or any other status at CWC – admission to CWC is based on lottery. CWC will not discriminate against any person on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, marital status, sexual orientation, disability or other characteristic protected by law.”
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Oh really? Then why are you asking this stuff? Why don’t you accept kids BLIND TO THIS INFORMATION as the public schools do, or run the lotteries BLIND to this information?
Here come the questions. They want the parent to check the following:
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“___ YES, we qualify for free/reduced-price lunch (see chart on
reverse)
Sí, calificamos para el almuerzo gratis o rebajado (vea la tabla en reverso)
“___ NO, we do not qualify”
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There’s an accompanying chart which sets the free/reduced lunch qualifications based on: 1) income; and 2) number of people who live in the home.
THIS WOULD NEVER BE ASKED OF A PARENT PLACING THEIR CHILD IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL CLASSROOM… PRIOR TO BEING ACCEPTED AND PLACES.
In any truly “public” school, it would and should have no bearing on a child’s admission to a school.
Joe, there’s more:
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“Language most frequently used at home:
“_______________________________________________________ ”
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Again, why is that being asked PRIOR to acceptance and admission?
Here’s more:
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“Child’s Ethnicity: ___African American ___ American Indian/Alaska Native ___ Asian ___Caucasian”
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Why the-Hell are they asking this… again prior to the child being accepted and place?
and let’s not forget:
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“Household Size
Personas En Hogar
1
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5
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8″
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Oy vey!
At the time, I saved the url for downloading the application forms for Citizens of the World—Hollywood:
http://www.citizensoftheworld.org/docs/APPLICTION_FOR_ADMISSION_TO_CWC_HOLLYWOOD_2012-2013/pdf
I then passed this on to an organized and quite vocal group of public school parents opposing a co-location from this charter chain, who then voiced the same objections I have voiced here.
Shortly afterward, CWC mysteriously pulled this application from the CWC website and internet altogether. From that point on, and to this day, you get a “404″ message when you try and click this.
I just did a thorough search of their site, and unlike before, there’s no application anywhere on-line that can be downloaded by parents. You have to go in person to the school site to see what the application looks like today.
Thankfully, I saved it.
Another thing that I recall is that Citizens of the World did all their promotions in upscale neighborhoods, and with English-only fliers… at places like the West Hollywood Library, the Ralph’s Grocery Store at Beverly & Doheny., etc. That’s yet another way to screen certain groups of students in/out.
That’s all for now.
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Jack, I understand what you are saying about neighborhood schools.
here’s the link to magnet school applications in LA:
http://echoices.lausd.net/
A daunting process.
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Joe,
You seem to be making a false equivalency between magnet schools and charter schools… and how they both are free to have stringent requirments for entry.
Magnet schools within a public school district—and staffed with unionized public school teachers—are the mirror image of special ed… Just as special ed kids need … well… “special” teachers and curriculum to compensate for their innate disability and maximize their potential, magnet schools also provide a different but, again, special (more challenging) learning environment and curriculum for kids who are at the other end of the genetic lotto in ability, and corresponding achievement. They exist so that these children’s gifts can be maximized in a way that, if they remained in a mainstream class, those gifts would not be maximized.
Magnet schools, their administrators, and their public school districts are pretty upfront about what magnet schools are, whom they service, and what their mission actually is. I have no problem with their existence, or with their admissions process, and frankly, I don’t understand anyone who would.
Charter officials and their shills, on the other hand, lie their asses off all the ding-dong day with statements like: “we educate all students… we have the exact same admittance and expulsion policies as the regular public schools” and on and on… when the fact is that they don’t.
The charter schools never claim that they are competing with or taking the place of public magnet schools, and thus, are likewise free to have stringent requirements for entering and staying at their schools. No, the image the promote it that their goal is to replace the regular, neighborhood public school—not the magnet school—and that those kids need to leave those “failure factories” and enroll in the charters.
Indeed, they engage in highly-selective creaming process at the front end, and kick out the hardest-to-educate kids, BUT NEVER OWN UP TO EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING… “we teach the same kids as the public schools, blah-blah-blah…” Then, when the data is to their advantange, they try to make comparisons with the traditional public schools, NOT the magnet schools.
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No I don’t say charters and magnets are equivalent. I think selective magnets are directly inconsistent with the fundamental idea of public education.
You bet I disagree with charters that have admissions tests, or push kids out. But I see zero willingness from you or most others who post here to challenge selective admissions magnets.
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I don’t see the problem with providing kids who posses innate intellectual gifts with a learning environment that helps them maximize those gifts… i.e. and accelerated program that will challenge that child in a way that a mainstream classroom will not.
Should such a child be left in a learning situation that leaves them bored and frustrated? Or would they be better off in a class, or an entire school made up of students like themselves?
Again, it’s the mirror image of “special education” for kids who are “slower” than mainstream kids. Both demand particular—but different—sorts of attention in order to reach their full potential.
And I don’t have a problem with such classes or entire schools—“gifted”/”magnet” for the gifted; “special ed” for the innately “slower”—being publicly funded.
And as I’ve said before, the argument “magnets get to do it, so charters should, too” to be asinine, and a false comparison.
I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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No Jack, I am not arguing that charters should be allowed to do it. There is a huge double standard at work here – people criticizing some charters for have admissions standards and being very willing to allow magnets to do this.
This double standard is not lost on lots of folks.
Yes, students should be challenged. That does not mean for many of us that you create an entire school just for kids who can pass tests.
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The latest wrinkle in all this is that Charter associations are going to the wall to defend charter school officials, even when the corruption they perpetrate is beyond dispute:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/04/local/la-me-1005-charter-sentence-20131005
So you have this couple running a chain or charter schools who are as corrupt as the day is long, and are found guilty of criminal acts and sentenced to jail.
The Charter association argues that, no matter how heinous the actions… so what?… the schools are “non-profits”, so technically, “no crime” was committed:
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“Charter advocates followed the case closely. They said it could expose other operators to prosecution and could undermine the flexibility of California campuses that now enroll more than 410,000 students.
“The California Charter Schools Assn. filed a brief with the court seeking a new trial, contending that ‘there was no crime here.’
“For charter critics, however, the result is a long-overdue rebuke of what they say is an anything-goes mentality that sometimes abuses the public trust and drains resources from students.
“Charters are independently managed, publicly funded and exempt from some rules that apply to traditional schools.
” ‘The operators of charter schools cannot use public funds for their own personal use or else they will be prosecuted,’ said Los Angeles County Deputy Dist. Atty. Dana Aratani.
“Defense attorneys argued that charter schools — California has about 1,000 — should be treated as nonprofits, which have flexibility in spending money, provided that they are furthering the mission of the organization. The couple insisted that much of their questioned spending was for such activities as teacher appreciation, either group events or individual gestures, to build morale.”
” … ”
“Selivanov will appeal his sentence, said his attorney, Jeffrey H. Rutherford.
” ‘We maintain that this prosecution is driven by a fundamental misunderstanding of charter schools and how they operate,’ Rutherford said.”
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Wow talk about cluless anti choice leftists. The IBO report shows that charters have a greater retention rate for their overall student base then zoned schools.
I guess the anti choice left has no intention of discussing why that is do they?
Why do zoned schools lose more students then charter schools? Do the zoned schools ‘counsel out’ thier kids? Or is it, that kids are leaving for charters because they offer better educations.
Think people, it isnt that difficult….
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Why do zoned schools have more children leave their classrooms then charter schools?
If charter schools ‘cream’ the bad students out and back to the zoned schools, then these facts should be in reverse.
I bet I dont get an answer on this one. The entire creaming argument has just been completely defrauded and can no longer be used by the anti choice extremist left. Lets see if they can explain the creaming that is going on at zoned schools….
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For one thing, it’s not a level playing field to begin with to compare charters and public schools. The very fact that a parent has to apply to attend a charter—and often go through a very involved application process— has the effect of self-selecting kids and parents who are more cooperative and motivated, and repelling those who are less cooperative and less motivated.
In addition, the parents often sign contracts promising to volunteer a set number of hours per week, and to monitor the kids homework, etc.
Public schools can’t make such demands on parents: “Do all of this or else your kids can’t go to school here.” Indeed, some parents—because of demanding, low-level jobs that demand long hours, or because they just don’t want to take on such demands—balk at these contract demands. So Joe’s claim “building better relationships with parents” leaves all that out of the picture he paints. It’s easy to “build better relationships” if you have a subset of parents who are more cooperative and motivated.
Also, on the subject of this not being a level playing field: the charters, including those in co-locations, typically have millions more from outside funding to pay for expensive computers, and re-furbished classrooms and brand new desks and tables. Visually, it is more enticing.
You’re right about not being from the area. I’m from L.A., but I follow the Big Apple and other cities from afar.
Writers like NYC’s Gary Rubenstein have done a good job of refuting the whole “charters educate the same kids” nonsense. “Same buildings, same kids, same lies.”
(granted this school in the following link is located in Chicago, but the point stands)
http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2011/03/06/same-kids-same-building-same-lies/
And when you’re done reading that, here’s a post where Gary goes after a prominent NYC charter school operator—Deborah Kenny’s HARLEM VILLAGE ACADEMY—and Kenny’s “same kids but better results” claims:
http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2012/06/12/it-takes-a-village/
(NOTE, what follows also highlights other problems common to other high-profile charters Deborah Kenny’s HARLEM VILLAGE ACADEMY… including one teacher’s testimony in how this charter school is such a wonderful place to work and teach… NOT!!!).
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GARY RUBENSTEIN:
“Throughout the years, though, this school has been criticized for its high attrition rate of both students and teachers. Two good posts from about two years ago are here and here. With the release of the new book, I thought I’d check the most recent 2010-2011 data to see what is happening there.
“I downloaded the recent state and city report cards from here and also the state report cards for New York City district 5 here, and found some interesting information.
“In 2010-2011, HVA had 55% free lunch and 13% reduced lunch. The district, that year, had 74% free with 5% reduced.
“In 2010-2011, HVA had 3% LEP vs. 11% for the whole district.
“In 2010-2011 38% of the students at HVA were suspended for at least one day while 7% were suspended for the whole district.
“Student attrition at HVA is huge. For example, the 66 5th graders in 2007-2008 have shrunk to just 16 9th graders in the 2010-2011 school year. This is a 75% attrition. In that same time, the district that the school is in went from 904 5th graders in 2007-2008 to 1313 9th graders in 2010-2011. That is a 45% growth.
“Though these are different cohorts, the graph below from The Charter Center show HVA’s enrollment by grade for 2010-2011. This is not what this graph would look like in a regular school.
(NOTE: there’s a cool bar graph here that powerfully illustrates his point, but it can’t be cut and pasted here… so follow the link and see it for yourself.)
“As far as their achievement, it is true that the students had a high passing rate on their state tests, particularly in math. But when I looked at their Regents grades, I noticed that, according to their state report card, no students took the Geometry or the Algebra II / Trigonometry Regents. So their 100% passing rate seems to come from all their students, through 12th grade, only taking the 9th grade level Algebra Regents.
“When I asked the school, though a mutual acquaintance, why this was, they wrote back that the state didn’t include all the data and they actually had 90 students take Geometry (nothing about Algebra II), and that 82% passed. But since they only had 80 students who could feasibly qualify to take that test, this seems unlikely. I currently have a data request into the NYC DOE to clear this up, so I will update if I get new information.
“When a school is truly great, teachers want to keep teaching there year after year. So it should be telling that in this school over the past three years the amount of staff turnover was 2007-2008 53%, for 2008-2009, 38%, and for 2009-2010, a whopping 61%. By comparison, the teacher attrition for the entire district in 2009-2010 was just 19%.
“To me, this teacher turnover is the most alarming statistic of all. So I tracked down a TFA alum named Sabrina Strand who taught for one year there. Sabrina wrote an excellent blog post called ‘I’m no Superman.’ I asked her if she would give more details about her experience, and here is what she wrote:
SABRINA STRAND: “I’m really glad you’re dedicated to exposing the truth behind the whole TFA/charter school charade. It is very much a charade, an elaborate, expensive smoke & mirrors. HVA, as I knew it, was one of the worst offenders of creating and sustaining the myth that teachers can solve everything. Waiting for Superman infuriated me because just like HVA – just like Deborah Kenny – it sent the message that good teachers should be martyrs, not people with lives and passions of their own that happen to also be talented and passionate about educating children. I am not a martyr, and as I titled my op-ed, I am also not superman. But yet many would say I am a very good teacher. In Deborah Kenny’s world, that would be impossible.
“During the 2006-2007 school year at HVA, I taught huge classes of 5th graders who were poorly behaved. The administration was weak and ineffective. Everyone, including the principal and the dean, was so stressed out that there were often medical problems. I used to take the bus up to Harlem with my co-teacher and best friend at the school, Johanna Fishbein, and we would often cry on our way to work.
“The working conditions at the school were plainly unreasonable. They took advantage of young, idealistic, competent teachers; they squeezed and squeezed until there was nothing left to give, even our dignity.
“Deborah Kenny is LARGELY to blame for this, as we were all desperately trying to play our parts in the Deborah Kenny play – one where she produced and directed but never wrote or starred in the productions. I have zero respect for that woman. The only time she actually came into the trenches is when she was preparing the kids for some dignitary’s visit. At that time, she would talk to them like they were slow kindergarteners, and when she left, they would all ask me who she was. That’s how connected she is to the school.
“Yet when President Bush came to laud our teachers’ efforts for earning the highest math test scores in the city, it was Deborah who schmoozed and gave the tour, Deborah who took the credit.
“Deborah Kenny and her Village Academies take advantage of budding teachers, often crushing their spirits in the process. Though we barely made more than NYC public school teachers while working seven weeks over the summer, teaching on multiple Saturdays, and averaging 12-hour work days during the week, Deborah pays herself the HIGHEST SALARY out of any charter school executive in NYC (that stat was recently published in The New York Post). She makes almost nine times as much as her teachers who are doing all the real work, the hard work, that lands her in the press so often and helps her send her own kids to tony private schools.
“Her ‘vision’ is a bunch of bullshit – basically, work your teachers to death, and you’ll see results. Sure, and you’ll also see a lot of unhappy teachers, and a lot of people leaving your school and vowing to never come back.
“The year I left, my entire fifth grade team left with me. Deborah refused to write letters of recommendation for any of us. Contrary to what she preaches, teachers are her lowest priority and she never has their best interests at heart.”
“No school with a 60% teacher turnover rate should be praised in the press as the model for other schools to follow. Now that I’ve taught in a relatively stable independent school for four years, I see that a school’s real success comes from its sense of community. When teachers are leaving left and right because they’re being asked to perform superhuman feats for little compensation, the idea of “community” essentially vanishes. All that holds Village Academies together is Deborah Kenny’s unrelenting ambition and greed.”
GARY RUBENSTEIN: “In summary: HVA, No miracle for you!”
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Here’s another one from Gary on NYC charter school performance at:
http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2013/08/09/driven-by-data/
(NOTE: the CAPITALS in one sentence are mine… Jack)
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GARY RUBENSTEIN: “In the Stephanie Simon report she mentions that KIPP Star and Democracy Prep hadn’t done so well with their proficiency rate, but she doesn’t mention how far they had dropped. Out of over 500 schools, which includes about 35 charter schools, of the one hundred largest drops, 22 were charter schools.
“The most stunning example is the famed Harlem Village Academy which had 100% passing in 2012, but only 21% passing in 2013 for a 79% drop (you can see that sad dot all the way at the right of the scatter plot).
“Democracy Prep Harlem Charter, run and staffed by many TFAers, dropped 84% in 2012 to 13% in 2013.
“KIPP Amp dropped from 79% in 2012 to just 9% in 2013.
“The Equity Project (TEP) which pays $125,000 for the best teachers had finally gotten some test scores they can brag about with 76% in 2012, but that has now sunk to just 20% in 2013.
“The Bronx Charter School Of Excellence, which recently received money from a $4.5 million grant to help public schools emulate what they do, dropped from 96% in 2012 to 33% in 2013.
“So these are the schools that are the red ‘outliers’ hovering near the bottom right of the scatter plot. In general, THE AVERAGE CHARTER SCHOOL WENT DOWN BY 51 PERCENTAGE POINTS COMPARED TO 34 PERCENTAGE POINTS FOR THE AVERAGE PUBLIC SCHOOL. The most plausible explanation for charters dropping so much more than public schools is that their test prep methods were not sufficient for the more difficult tests.
“In other words: ‘You’re busted.’
“I just don’t see how the ‘reformers’ can reconcile these statistics with their statement that these lower scores are a good thing since we are now being honest about where we stand. The low scores in general do not decisively prove anything. The cutoff scores for passing were an arbitrary choice by some politicians in Albany. But the evidence that charters are certainly not working the miracles they claim is very clear from this data.
“Now, remember that I don’t think that test scores capture all the good in a school. Perhaps these charter school have a lot of those intangibles that help kids eat grits or whatever. I don’t know. But I do know that if the ‘reformers’ really value their ‘data’ so much, they should really think about how to interpret the charter grade crash. To me, this suggests that maybe the hundreds of millions of dollars given to charters, both from the government and from private benefactors could be spent elsewhere in education more effectively.”
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BELOW is a COMMENT from a KIPP charter school alum who goes off the script and tells the truth about whether or not charters “weed out” lesser kids.
Jim Horn posted an interview with a former KIPP teacher who talks about how the kids were forced to sit on the floor for the first week of school… until they “earned” the right to have a desk… I kid you not:
http://www.schoolsmatter.info/2013/12/one-hundred-kipp-5th-graders-in-single.html
Below this is the Stockholm Syndrome-inspired COMMENT from the anonymous KIPP-ster in NYC… the Bronx, to be specific (it’s the fourth COMMENT down):
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KIPP BRONX ALUMNUS: “This (practice of him and other kids being forced to sit on the floor for a week and beg for a desk) is what builds TEAMWORK, which is the KIPP motto. It may seem militant to you, but in a system where kids are passed grades because the STATE doesn’t want to look bad, instead of letting the children EARN their education, you need this kind of attitude to weed out who is capable of completing the strenuous 7-5 pm accelerated curriculum that KIPPSTERS endure, not to mention the Saturdays spent if you are in a program like Capoeira or Orchestra. Don’t open your mouth until you UNDERSTAND what it is to be a KIPP student.” from -A KIPP ACADEMY ALUMNI. That’s In The SOUTH BRONX In Case You Would Like To Research Further, You Definitely Need To Jim.”
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Pretty creepy stuff. The mask really dropped from this guy’s face, didn’t it?
What’s that? A charter school alumnus comes clean and proudly brags about how charters like KIPP deliberately “weed out who is capable.” But how can that be? MS says such “weeding out” never happens in NYC’s charter schools.
Who’s telling the truth?
Well Jim Horn responded thusly,
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JIM HORN: “I don’t normally post anonymous comments, but your rant is so compelling that I could not resist. I think the key phrase in your comments comes from identifying KIPP’s purpose, which is to ‘weed out who is capable.’ As one of the obvious ‘capables,’ it would be normal for you to focus on that part of the equation. On the other side of the weeding are those who are self labeled as failures, which is a result of the ‘no excuses’ thought disorder that children are taught to absorbed by the corporate school model, along with their earned failure they are taught to stoically accept (failure comes to 40 to 60% of KIPPsters between fifth and eighth grade).
“I see, too, that you have absorbed some of the common verbal courtesies used at KIPP schools. But if I had endured what you have as a result of learning to embrace your oppressor, I would probably be more angry, still.”
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Re-reading this COMMENT shows what a first-class d-bag this KIPP alumnus is — bullying, condescending, controlling, threatening…
It’s kind of like in THE MASTER when Joaquin Phoenix got mad at someone at a party who criticized Phoenix’s L. Ron Hubbard-ish guru—played by Philip Seymour Hoffman—then tracked the guy down to his apartment and bead him senseless.
“you need this kind of attitude to weed out who is capable of completing the strenuous 7-5 pm accelerated curriculum that KIPPSTERS endure… ”
What is this? The Hitler Youth? Get over yourself, dude!
“Don’t open your mouth until you UNDERSTAND what it is to be a KIPP student.”
Oooohhhhh, I’m shaking… is this what passes for a debate of ideas at a KIPP school?
Newsflash: people having an intellectual discussion don’t appreciate some bullying d-bag
barking orders at them…
“Don’t open your mouth until you UNDERSTAND … ”
Yeah, well why don’t you SHUT your mouth instead! Better yet, bite me, you schmuck!
“That’s In The SOUTH BRONX In Case You Would Like To Research Further, You Definitely Need To Jim.”
Neither Jim nor I don’t “need to” do squat, you imbecilic jackball! And what’s with the SOUTH BRONX reference? Is that supposed to be some kind of … “if you’re tough enough to come here” kind of comment?
Whatever…
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imbecilic “jackball”! Now that’s a term I’ve never heard. Jackball. A new word in my lexicon for this superannuated English teacher. Instead of a Shakespeare three-column insult list, I need to start compiling one from this list. Yours is my first entry
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Hi, Harlan.
“Jackball” is a term I borrowed from my favorite radio personality Phil Hendrie… a sort of synonym for “jackass” or “idiot” or perhaps “a–hole”…
Now that I think of it, I’ve never heard it outside of Hendrie’s show… perhaps I’m subconsciously trying to popularize it.
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I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary through Wikipedia. It’s a perfectly normal colloquialism meaning someone who is stupid and keeps on getting stupider. The etymology is a little suspect as deriving from a jack-in-the-box ball whatever that is.
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