This last year, the legislature and governor in North Carolina enacted legislation affecting the teaching profession in North Carolina.
Scott Imig and Robert Smith at the University of North Carolina in Wilmington decided that it was important to hear how the legislation affected those in the state’s schools:
They wrote:
In the summer of 2013, the North Carolina legislature passed broad educational reforms. Among these were the abolishment of tenure, the end of additional compensation for teachers who earn a graduate degree, removal of class size caps, and implementation of a voucher program. As professors who interact daily with current K-12 educators, we heard numerous anecdotes this fall about declining support for public education, increased teacher attrition, deteriorating morale, and concerns about pursuing advanced degrees. While the anecdotes were fairly consistent, there was not, to our knowledge, available data that captured the immediate and potential long-term effects of the policy changes.
Imig and Smith surveyed more than 600 educators in the state to get their perspective on the changes. Their report is titled “Listening to Those on the Front Lines.”
Here is what they found.
• Over 96% of the educators who participated think public education in North Carolina is headed in the wrong direction.
• Two-thirds of teachers and administrators indicated that recent legislative changes have negatively impacted the quality of teaching and learning in their own school.
• Over 74% of respondents indicated that, as a result of the legislative changes, they were less likely to continue working as a teacher/administrator in NC.
• 97% of respondents think the legislative changes have had a negative effect on teacher morale.
• 98% of teachers and administrators surveyed believe that the removal of financial incentives for pursuing advanced degrees will have a negative effect on the quality of teaching and learning in North Carolina’s schools.
• Nearly all respondents indicated that the failure to give teachers a raise in pay will have a negative impact on the quality of public education.
• Ninety percent of teachers and administrators indicated that the removal of tenure, with all teachers placed on 1-, 2-, or 4-year contracts by 2018, will have a negative effect on the quality of public education in NC.
• In regard to the legislature’s plan to eliminate tenure and identify the top 25% of teachers for annual pay raises, approximately 7% of teachers indicated they would give up tenure in exchange for the supplement (64% would not give up tenure and 28% are uncertain).
• 38% of respondents believe the Read to Achieve Program will have a positive impact on the quality of education in the state. Among elementary teachers, this figure is just 20%.
• A significant portion of teacher and administrator comments described working harder to protect students from the perceived effects of the recent legislative changes.
• Nearly 87% of respondents think the voucher plan, providing eligible families with a $4,200 annual voucher to allow a child to go to a private school, will have a negative impact on the state’s public schools.
What are the chances that the governor and the legislature will care what teachers and administrators think about their legislation?

Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Texas Education and commented:
Sounds a lot like Texas, the powers that be do what they want without any concern about the educators.
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Thank you for posting this Diane. I thought the questions asked by Scott Imig and Robert Smith were important and timely. I hope people click on the link and read the teacher comments. They are very illuminating. Our state is going through a really rough time in education and we really have appreciate you shining a light on what is happening here. Someone on a Facebook post made a comment wondering how much money this survey cost. I want to assure everyone that this study was conducted at no cost by the researchers for the sole purpose of trying to give teachers a voice in how the legislative changes were impacting them. I really hope the legislature listens, especially now that this study has been getting national attention.
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This fabulous Slate article was written by a Chapel Hill, NC mom about the effects of the legislative changes on our students & teachers. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2014/01/north_carolina_s_assault_on_teachers_has_to_stop.html
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I read this article & it is incredibly articulate as well as sad. Thank you for posting it. Who would ever have thought that NC, the state which once led the country in Nat’l Board Certification, would come to this? It makes you realize that this can happen anywhere.
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And I would add that leading up to 1997 under Martin, NC was focusing on education and greatly increasing the spending therein. And even though the discussions of looking at other states and this new idea (at the time) of “choice,” a Republican governor set the tone for being committed to our public schools. The bipartisan support was there.
Hunt seems more, now, like a reformer to me. He picked up where Martin left off (and things were not great in terms of education when Martin stepped in AFTER Hunt (after Hunt’s first time).
My point is that Republicans used to recognize the worth in supporting public schools.
Bipartisan is key. And Democrats singing reformer songs do not make me feel any more comfortable than Tea Partiers ramming ALEC legislation through our house.
We have to work together on this and call out short sighted ideas no matter which party is backing them. And that fact is a HUGE part of breaking this public school dam now causing floods of negative consequences.
In fact a visual picture of a creek with a dam where each Rick and stick has a name should speak to folks in all three geological regions of the state because creeks are present from coast to mountains. Those rocks and sticks include:
VAM, high stakes testing, the script aspect of CCSS, the untested and age-inappropriate aspects of CCSS, the over emphasis on technology for technology’s sake, the irreverent wastefulness and lack of stewardship in implementing RttT measures, the disregard for teachers as professionals, the disregard for public schools as cornerstones of democratic process and civic life, the hollowing out of how time in school is spent, the lack of support for further education and professional training for teachers at a graduate level, a deemphasis on educating the whole child with their own unique set of strength areas, a disrespect for what America’s public schools have collectively represented in the American landscape over former generations and so on. In fact, I think I will get a piece of posterboard and a Sharpie and draw this visual tonight.
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rock, not Rick.
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Why care what educators think of the changes, Phil Berger obviously knows more about education and what’s good for kids than we do.
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“Over 96% of the educators who participated think public education in North Carolina is headed in the wrong direction.
Two-thirds of teachers and administrators indicated that recent legislative changes have negatively impacted the quality of teaching and learning in their own school.”
Interesting, because the ed reform agenda in North Carolina is identical to the ed reform agenda nationally.
There’s absolutely no difference between Art Pope’s approach to public education and Arne Duncan’s approach, with the single exception that Duncan doesn’t publicly promote vouchers, and Pope does.
Students First, North Carolina, Michelle Rhee’s organization, are in complete agreement with Pope (Rhee supports vouchers, although they’ve re-branded them as “scholarships”).
I wish “liberal” ed reformers would weigh in on this. Do they support Art Pope’s entire agenda in North Carolina, or just his approach to public education? Are they uncomfortable with this alliance, given Pope’s actions regarding voter suppression and other civil rights issues?
These are questions they should have to answer, given that they claim to be fighting for civil rights.
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Slate published an article on Jan 5 from a NC mom’s point of view. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2014/01/north_carolina_s_assault_on_teachers_has_to_stop.html
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These are Michelle Rhee’s goals for public education in North Carolina:
http://reportcard.studentsfirst.org/state-detail?state=North%20Carolina
They are identical to Mr. Pope’s actions in the state.
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Why do people who don’t live and and have nothing to do with NC have goals for our state?
That makes as much sense as me having goals for McDonalds in North Dakota. What interest does she have in it? She doesn’t pay taxes in NC.
Her interest in NC seems more like that of a scam artist of national telemarketer. “As Seen on TV” type stuff. There’s the Bamboo Steamer and there’s Michele Rhee.
Call 1-800-tak-away.
But wait there’s more! Call now and we’ll fire a teacher of your choice since they have no protections from the frivolity of powerful money!
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“There’s the Bamboo Steamer and there’s Michele Rhee.”
Careful, you’ll be accused of being a racist or at least “ethnically challenged”.
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A voucher for $4200 will only help upper class students to attend a private school. So much for being concerned about the poor! My niece works as a part of Americorp in NC. It is sad to listen to her accounts of what it is like in NC.
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Mercedes S.
Can you please analyze this study in the same fashion as the others you have analyzed. How valid is the study? What are some of the design problems? Are there problems with question wording? etc., etc., etc. . . .
Thanks,
Duane
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I am not Mercedes (but I am a researcher and a Mercedes fan). Here is the researchers descriptions of their methods at the bottom of this post. This survey is not considered a scientific study. Critics could say we do not know who actually responded ( it was self report online) and that southeastern North Carolina is not representative of the whole state. UNCW has partnerships with 13 school districts in our region so I am assuming those were the principals contacted. Since the link went to principals, it is also reasonable to conclude that not all of them sent the link to their teachers for reasons we do not know. There could be a bias. The amount of time the survey was available could have some influence on numbers of respondents. The questions are included and they do not seem to be biased in my opinion but others may disagree.
Here is the description form the authors:
Methods
The purpose of this study was to gather opinion data from teachers and administrators on recent education policy passed by the NC legislature. This document offers findings from a quantitative survey of teachers and administrators in North Carolina. Participants completed the survey online.
A link to this survey was sent to K-12 principals in multiple counties in
southeastern North Carolina on November 12, 2013. The principals were invited to share this link with their school faculty members. In addition to our direct email to principals, individual participants who completed this survey posted the survey link on Facebook and Twitter. The survey was closed on November 28, 2013.
Participants
• 700 teachers and administrators in 40 school systems in North Carolina participated in the survey. A total of 620 (88.6%) participants responded to every question on the survey. For each question reported, the number of respondents is also listed.
• 561 participants identified themselves as classroom teachers. The remaining participants identified as administrators, support personnel (i.e. counselor, social worker), or classroom assistants.
• Among all participants, 2.7% identified as working at the pre-K level, 37.0% elementary, 26.5% middle school, and 33.9% high school.
• 9.8% of respondents had between 1-3 years of experience, 46.6% between 4-14 years, and 43.6% more than 14 years of teaching/administrative experience.
• 187 participants indicated a willingness to participate in the follow-up interviews/focus groups related to this study.
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Janna,
Thanks for the information! Those are the kinds of things I was wondering about. It helps to know what some of the objections by the edudeformers to the survey will be ahead of time by knowing the limitations. And it’s important for the sake of honesty and truth that the limitations and drawbacks be stated right up front, which it appears the authors have done.
Again, thanks Janna. And don’t worry, I won’t call you Mercedes-ha ha-although that could easily be taken for a compliment as you know!
Duane
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Aww- I am blushing. It is absolutely a compliment. Mercedes could probably do a better job but I am flattered to be mentioned in the same paragraph as her.
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“Aww- I am blushing.”
Didn’t know my words could have that effect-ha ha!!
Well, have a nice adult beverage of choice to settle down. I just finished off a nice mug of hot chocolate (well it’s only one degree with plenty of snow outside currently)-one tablespoon each of cocoa and honey with a couple of drops of extract of vanilla stirred together with a couple of drops of milk to form a paste and then add either hot milk or cold and heat in microwave. MMMM!!!
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Duane,
Sounds yummy ( the hot chocolate). You did remind me of one reason people may still want to teach here. While you are are all shivering today I have weather in the mid 60’s here are the beach. Cold enough for a sweater.
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Janna it is 12 degrees in Asheville. No school today or tomorrow. Low of 1.
NC is a long and varied state.
My new solution to everything is that they legalize pot here and quit hollowing out the schools to free up cash flow. Suddenly Madison County would go from poorest county to wealthiest.
I personally never cared for the stuff. But it would sure be a nice change of discussion for our state. So far, I’ve heard no mention of it. Only the remote possibility of Rhode Island on the East coast.
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Cuomo is going to legalize medical marihuana at select facilities in NYS in the near future. Coming to a state near you.
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Ellen– I used to think legalizing maijuana was a bad idea, but for the revenue it could bring NC and how it could shift focus from a beat down to a new industry, I’m all for it. Besides, it does have good medical uses.
Something needs to redirect the assault on public schools sbdSi hAve always believed much if the witch hunt is economically driven. There is a subtext to everything–even the Obamas’ support of charters. The secret is decoding subtext.
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Janna, thank you for your unput.
Duane, as to question wording/reporting:
Question wording is neutral, with the complete question and spectrum of answers reported for each question. Also, the researchers used no graphs, which I appreciate since graphs lend themselves to shaping perceptions of study outcomes.
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Mercedes,
Thanks for the info!
I appreciate having experts available to answer so quickly my questions!!!
Best part is. . . it doesn’t cost me anything-cheap ol curmudgeon that I am.
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Duane– glad that you recognize you are a Cirmudgeon. 🙂
But you are a different variety than Harlan.
My high school history teacher had a mug with his picture on both sides. One side said “Captain Curmudgeon” and the other side said “Captain Fun.” Two sides to every equation. 🙂
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Why no question in the survey on lifting class size caps? That seems to me to be crucial.
As for the rest, what would one expect from people directly affected by the cuts.
The ultimate question is: “What are the appropriate goals for public education?”
Answers to that question seem to me to be extraordinarily sparse among public school teachers. And don’t say “It’s obvious,” and that anyone who isn’t a chuckle headed conservative would KNOW.
My guess is that there isn’t a single public school teacher in North Carolina who can give a reasoned answer to that question. And THAT’s why Art Pope is conducting his crusade.
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There was a question lifting class size caps if you read the survey.
With the passage of NC Senate Bill 402, class size caps in NC were removed.
Findings:
• Nearly 100% of respondents think that this legislative change will have a negative impact on the quality of education in NC
Table 12. To what extent do you believe these changes will impact the quality of public education in NC:
Removed class size caps
go to page 9 for specifics.
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Thanks. I didn’t read the actual survey but depended on Diane’s reportage.
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Diane was reporting what the authors had identified as key findings at the beginning of the report. I am not sure why removal of class size caps was not included. But the whole report is worth a read and it is not long. The teacher comments may interest you since you believe they have no clue about the purpose of school.
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HU,
Well, in the Show Me State, and granted that’s not North Carolina, there is at least one public school teacher who can answer your question but who would word it differently: What is the fundamental purpose of public education?
See my response at 9:45 in this post: https://dianeravitch.net/2014/01/06/why-common-core-tests-cause-scores-to-collapse/#comments
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I have.
Many times.
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then it should not be a difficult task to re-say it succinctly.
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Harlan. Too broad a brush.
I am a teacher in NC. I have a good answer.
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Give it.
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I am not a grade school teacher, but I am very interested in following public education as a parent. I continually weigh my passion for following public education with looking at the compensation and conditions that teachers work with to consider if I would want to switch careers and become a grade school teacher. I think I would be good at it. On the other hand, I am raising a family, helping to pay a mortgage, putting a child through college, and getting a certain amount of satisfaction in my current job. Being a teacher would be too challenging and stressful in light of these personal factors, which I also think teachers should have a right to pursue.
This new legislation makes me even less interested in becoming a teacher. It looks like it infantilizes the teaching profession. It also makes me wonder how North Carolina public education will attract new teachers. Even if there is an explicit underlying agenda to break up N.C. public education, what replaces it, and what is there in a new model that would make grade school teaching attractive as a profession?
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The reform model leaves nothing to make teaching an attractive profession…low starting pay….very little, if any, increases in pay for both increasing experience or for getting higher degrees….low benefits package…loss of job security (and I’m not talking about tenure as a job for life, it is a guarantee of academic freedom and due process)…loss of creativity and autonomy within the job (everything will be scripted and you had better tow the line)…much higher class sizes…teacher managers (not really administrators at this point) with very little experience…job performance evaluations being tied to things way beyond your control…constant threats…loss of any real scientific reasoning and judgements in making important decisions…About the only people this might look good to are idealistic and/or inexperienced college (if college will be a requirement in the near future) grads…who will soon learn their mistake and leave, only to be replaced the next year by more of the same. Sounds lovely for our future citizens, our children, doesn’t it?
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Tracy, all true – with dismal consequences for all.
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We have a lot of people leaving NC education. The only sales pitch I can make to you for becoming a teacher here is I predict we will have a good amount of teacher position openings next year.
The new model is charter schools and private school vouchers. We also have online classes.
But it is not all bad news. We have a lot people actively fighting the new reforms. I am hoping these reforms will not stick around for long. They are harming teachers and schools which is bad enough, but they are also harming children which is not tolerable.
The same legislature did a real number on the voting rights as well and adopted a lot of laws that restrict voting. So it may not be easy to change who is in office but that does not mean it cannot be done. They did not only go after education, they cut Medicaid, unemployment benefits and basically anything designed to help people. So there are quite a few people upset here.
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As for sales pitch: if you are like me it’s just what you are going to do while you fight for better public schools. I hear of people jumping ship, and the allure of charter “freedom” does sound tempting to many, I am sure.
At this point I am following the leadership of my principal. (Go ahead Duane, pick on something I say). I will stick with her, while continuing to stay informed, until I get some bold hunch not to.
Schooling is about people and I am in it for them—the little ones, ages 5-10. The arts and “specials” teachers still have some creative flexibility. Should they begin testing in music (which I think is beside the point in elementary music, that will be my cue to find another vocation). As for new teachers coming in, they simply have to weigh their options.
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Joanna,
Your cold weather is coming here tomorrow- schools delayed 2 hours for weather below freezing since our wet roads will freeze. The note you received is priceless and shows what an impact music can make. We are very fortunate that most districts in NC have kept music and art and other programs not measured by standardized assessments. My daughter is in orchestra and my son takes art and chorus. My daughter is competing in a couple of art and music competitions. They both are taught using project based learning. So both just finished elaborate science fair projects, but also have created videos, animations, websites, sculptures, games. parodies of songs, and so forth in their language arts, math, science and social studies classes.. If that is teaching to the test then I am all for it.
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Janna – angry people vote, complacent voters stay home.
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I hope you are correct Ellen.
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Ellen–exactly.
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“(Go ahead Duane, pick on something I say).”
If I do would I be following your “leadership”?-ha ha!
Didn’t realize that I’ve been quite so grouchy, much of a sorehead and crank person to you. If so I apologize as that is not my intention as I just pick things out that stand out to me (and maybe it’s to me only which is kind of scary in a sense) that I want to comment on.
Now I’m trying to figure out how to get the other definition of curmudgeon into this post: cross-patch. “n. A peevish, irascible person; a grouch. [cross + patch, jester.] crosspatch (ˈkrɒsˌpætʃ). n. 1. a peevish bad-tempered person.”* Someone help! Never heard of the term. Learned something new today because of you Joanna, thanks!!
*from thefreedictionary.com
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The only constituents they care about are the Koch brothers and their ilk, who are calling the shots in order to dismantle a public good for private gain.
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You do not teach anything in NC…You prepare students for many Tests..That is all.
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I teach many things to students in NC.
This is a process.
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•From the survey: A significant portion of teacher and administrator comments centered on working harder to protect students from the perceived effects of recent education changes.
Although education has been harmed in NC I know of many teachers doing a wonderful job in NC. Please do not disparage their hard work under difficult circumstances.
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Exactly, Janna.
When you get a hand made Christmas card from a six year old that says “Thenk you for the inspirerashun of myoosic” you know you are doing the right thing. I am certain many teachers in all areas have such notes that keep them going.
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Interesting. But do you think anyone will listen to the teachers? I’d be more interested in a survey of what the parents think. Also of interest is how the community leaders would respond. I think this would give of a better feel of which direction the state is pointed.
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I speak about public school as a parent.
When I write to state leaders it is always as a parent.
I am interested because I am a parent.
It is true parents need to be more vocal and outraged.
Time will tell.
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It’s. Hard to separate the two. On one level, I want to speak out for my fellow teachers, on the other, I need to be thinking about my grandchildren. I guess being a mom – grandma trumps everything.
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Ellen, again yes. Exactly.
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I have both roles too. I speak out for educators, schools and children professionally but I am also a mom. So this is all very personal to me.
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One of the authors of the survey told me the surveying parents was the next step they would be pursuing. 🙂
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It will be interesting to hear about the results.
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[…] Yesterday, it was announced that one of my teaching friends in North Carolina, Brenda W. Gorsuch, won the JEA’s Yearbook Teacher of the Year award. I hope that brings some joy to Brenda and her colleagues in a year of bleak news for North Carolina teachers. Why should we be concerned about what’s happening in a state so far away? Because it is part of a national attack on public education, and we are not immune. https://dianeravitch.net/2014/01/06/what-educators-in-north-carolina-say-about-recent-legislative-cha… […]
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