In one of the comments on the blog, a reader posted critical comments about the Connecticut Policy Institute.
The executive director of the institute, Ben Zimmer, asked me for the opportunity to respond. I agreed.
I checked the webpage of the CPI, and note that it is in favor of charter schools in poor districts, using test scores (“effectiveness”) to evaluate teachers, using an A-F grading system for schools, and imposing a third grade reading exam and a graduation exam. Most of these are policies that I have criticized on this blog. Charter schools do not get better results than public schools except when they skim the best students and exclude those who might lower their test scores; evaluating teachers by the test scores of their students is a very poor measure of teacher quality that I have called “junk science” because of its recognized inaccuracy and instability; the A-F grading system introduced by Jeb Bush in Florida is incoherent and constantly reshuffled, but still incoherent; after a dozen years of NCLB, I conclude that reliance on testing is a demonstrated failure if the goal is either excellence or equity. The fact that CPI holds up not only Massachusetts as a model but Jeb Bush’s Florida and Mitch Daniels’ Indiana is a strong indication of the policy goals of the organization.
But as readers know, I post entries that I don’t necessarily agree with, and even entries that I clearly disagree with.
I am happy to post Ben Zimmer’s response here.
Zimmer writes:
Dear Readers of Professor Ravitch’s Blog,
This morning Professor Ravitch posted a blog entry reproducing a comment from an online forum. The comment critiqued a recent op-ed I wrote on teacher certification in Connecticut (http://www.ctmirror.org/op-ed/2013/06/30/vallas-certification-debacle-reveals-shortcomings-education-reform-efforts). I welcome and appreciate Professor Ravitch drawing attention to my op-ed and the work of the Connecticut Policy Institute. But the comment she reposted does not accurately represent my position and puts forward unfounded critiques. Professor Ravitch has kindly offered me the opportunity to respond.
Amidst a barrage of all-caps tirades and ad-hominem insults (“assclown” was my particular favorite), the post appeared to make three actual points: 1) That my opposition to teacher certification laws means that I support lowering standards for educators; 2) That my opposition to teacher certification laws is grounded in “bogus” studies; and 3) That I am a hypocrite for opposing teacher certification laws when I hold a B.A. and J.D myself. I will respond to each point in turn.
Point 1
The notion that I support lowering standards for educators is a complete mischaracterization of my position. Indeed, in order to make this point the author literally fabricates quotes – for instance, the author quotes me as stating that degrees in education are “worthless,” a word that never appeared in my op-ed (nor did anything approximating it). On the contrary, I believe education degrees can be a very valuable credential for teachers. But I do not believe that they are the only valid credential.
The teaching profession is enhanced when professionals from a diverse set of backgrounds are eligible to apply for positions. Right now, in Connecticut, someone with a PhD in physics or history with experience teaching college-level seminars in their field would be prohibited by law from teaching an equivalent seminar at a public school. I do not believe this restriction or ones like it further the goal of promoting the highest quality teaching possible.
Furthermore, when state laws require individuals in any profession to obtain a degree from a particular department in a particular university, that department becomes insulated from competitive pressures and accountability. Departments of education have an important role to play at higher education institutions. But the quality of those departments would be enhanced if they had to compete for aspiring teachers based on the quality of training they provide.
Point 2
Research suggests that paper certifications are not valuable predictors of teachers’ effectiveness. Rigorous studies confirming this include studies put out by the Brookings Institution (http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/200604hamilton_1.pdf) and labor economist Tim Sass (http://www2.gsu.edu/~tsass/pdfs/Alternative%20Certification%20and%20Teacher%20Quality%2011.pdf).
Point 3
It is perfectly consistent to oppose teacher certification laws while holding advanced degrees myself. I fully support teachers obtaining advanced degrees and I also support schools / districts encouraging teachers to obtain advanced degrees – insofar as those degrees actually help teachers teach more effectively. What I oppose is legal requirements limiting teachers to certain particular advanced degrees. In most professions – even ones where possession of advanced degrees is the norm and it would be difficult to get a job without one (e.g., university professors, engineers, business executives, government officials, non-for-profit administrators) – there are no laws limiting professionals to particular degrees.
That said, teaching is not the only field where state laws mandate particular certifications or licenses. In many of those other fields, the laws are similarly problematic. This is something that the Connecticut Policy Institute has studied and written on at some length: http://www.ctpolicyinstitute.org/content/CT_Policy_Institute_Regulation_Paper.pdf.
One other profession where state laws limit applicant pools to individuals who hold a particular degree is the law. Though I hold a J.D. myself, I would be the first to say that licensing laws for lawyers have many of the same problems as they do for teachers – they are less about actual qualification and more about insulating established bureaucracies from outside reform and protecting the economic interests of existing lawyers and law professors. Aspiring lawyers are forced to take on hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to attend law schools that often teach things unrelated to the practice of law. Meanwhile, law students’ debt-financed tuition heavily subsidizes the salaries of law professors who earn more than their peers in the rest of academia even though they produce articles that are equally abstract and infrequently read. This New York Times article offers an interesting exploration of these problems: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/business/after-law-school-associates-learn-to-be-lawyers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0.
Conclusion
I know that teachers have at times felt vilified by the “education reform” movement. Personally, I firmly believe that teachers are part of the solution, not part of the problem. But we also should acknowledge that the teaching profession – like all professions – is not perfect. There are certain structural features of the teaching profession as currently constituted that limit its ability to realize its full potential. I believe we should reform those features.
I welcome constructive dialogue with any of you on these issues. You can email me at ben.zimmer@ctpolicyinstitute.org, or call the Connecticut Policy Institute office at 203-404-0235.
Best,
Executive Director
Connecticut Policy Institute

If I remember correctly the Brookings Institute got caught creating studies to suite the needs of its funders.
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Paul, I don’t remember that incident, but I do remember being fired by Brookings a year ago because I was “inactive.” I wrote a post about that. ravitch.net/2012/06/11/the-day-i-was-terminated/
On the day I was fired, my latest book was #1 in social policy on amazon; the guy who fired me had a book that was #1,000,000 plus.
At the time, he was advising Romney and I had just criticized Romney’s vacuous education plan.
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At that time was “inactive” like many of the current school ratings (where cooperation, not competency earns high marks)?
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“Reformers” typically cite research by like-minded think tanks and economists, not studies by educational researchers. That’s one of the reasons why Arne Duncan was booed at the American Educational Research Association conference this past Spring.
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Thanx for continuing to highlight issues and for holding folks accountable for their comments. Let’s see what Ben’s next actions will be. Actions often speak louder than words, as we learned in kdg.
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Dear Dr. Zimmer,
I hold a Ph.D. in Cultural Studies and Social Foundations in Education. Since all degrees are equal, I want to be either an attorney in a university or a brain surgeon. They make more money and hold so much more esteem in society than Early Childhood expert teachers!
Dr. “Judy” Hiscock
Tennessee
Sent from my iPhone
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Touche.
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Right now, in New York, there is nothing stopping anyone from an alternate profession from entering teaching. We have the Teaching Fellows program which allows those accepted into the program from teaching through a Transitional B license. However, the candidate must take a Content Specialty Test and a Liberal Arts and Science Test. I am a Selector for the program. Although I do not completely agree with many of the ideas of The New Teacher Project, these candidates must commit to getting regular certification in a two year period. They enter into regular teaching certification programs in well established colleges and many stay to become permanent teachers, unlike TFA. The Fellows interview is quite rigorous and only the brightest of the bright are taken in. My son came into teaching through this program after he decided that he did not want to go to law school. He is starting his sixth year of teaching and does a great job. By the way, he fights against the corporate reformers every chance he gets.
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Ben has no problem with TFA! That is one of the great innovations Ed Reform has brought to Connecticut–at least to the “other” Connecticut, the poor, “of color,” not necessarily English speaking Connecticut.
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Recently I read a post from a scientist with a PhD who wanted to become a public school teacher but didn’t understand the need to take Ed courses. That was, until she took the courses and discovered there is more to just knowing your subject matter. I will post her story at the end of my comment.
But you left out your position on the 5 week-trained TFAs. Do you think this is a good method for alternative certification?
These are people who are “stealing” position from those who are passionate about teaching and want to make it a life-long career. I can only assume you approve of this program even though these part-timers are there for the free ride–(While getting a salary and benefits, they also get a good percentage of their student loan paid, and in some cities get affordable housing built just for them). What do REAL teachers get? Scapegoated. VAM. Benefits cut. Punished.
Where is your outcry??
What has your organization done to include real teachers in the conversation? Are you calling for lowering class sizes? Improving the infrastructures of many of theses schools?
Advocating PAR over VAM? Calling for more social services in these communities? Calling for a program whereby students can receive remediation and not be subjected to being “labeled” a failure due to high-stakes testing, or are you like many teachers calling for a way to measure a student’s actual progress? Why aren’t you against for-profit charters, many that have horrible reputations, using our tax dollars?
I have yet to see any “reform” legislation that is actually helping students, teachers and their families. But I do see legislation that wants to limit the voices of teachers, cut salaries and benefits, and put more students in classrooms.
http://femaleintel.com/blogs/view/why-teaching-is-harder-than-it-looks
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Well said schoolgal!
Since Ben Zimmer is committed to constructive dialogue, I hope that he reads you comment, and responds to your questions, particularly the one regarding his position on the five week trained TFAers.
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Jonathan: I agree.
Let me add that when Mr. Zimmer calls for “constructive dialogue”—which he defines as sending him an email or calling the CPI—he seems to entirely miss the point of this and similar blogs.
This blog is an exemplar of “constructive dialogue” because by its very nature the back-and-forth of postings and blogs is accessible by anyone that can access the internet. So far that amounts to five, now approaching six, million views. It is not a secretive private exchange of views, one-on-one, but a forum for encouraging a wide-ranging, democratic and transparent discussion of a “better education for all.” It models what it preaches.
I don’t want the above to be misconstrued. Good for him that he wants to engage in some sort of discussion. But the model he follows constrains him, making his call for “constructive dialogue” seem more like a “let’s make a deal” than “let’s make it real.”
I invite him to engage in discussion, openly and publicly, on this blog.
Let the better ideas, data and logic prevail.
🙂
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Schoolgal,
You are dead on in your post. Right on!
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Excellent comment.
I look forward to a series of articles and blogs on the Connecticut Policy Institute website that argues new and well-researched positions and that even contradicts the usual pablum supplied by Ben Zimmer. Since Diane Ravitch was generous and tolerant enough to give Zimmer a platform, let’s see him do likewise. Bend your brain, Ben! Have some new ideas that are not backed by corporate dollars.
Zimmer acts like there are long lines of PhDs in math and physics who are ready to say good bye to their academic jobs teaching college courses, conducting research, and publishing findings so that they can teach 5th grade science.
There is nothing wrong with 5th grade science or with 5th graders, but teaching them is completely different from teaching college students. There is no point giving anecdotal evidence (I know a PhD who…–in fact, some of the PhDs who teach in public or private schools have PhDs in education fields, not in academic research areas), but I think most of the informed readers on this blog–teachers and non-teachers alike–(and yes, I am a college prof not a secondary-schools teacher–I have profound respect for public school teachers and pre-school teachers who are some of the most creative and intelligent people I know)–intuit that Education is a profession and a vocation, just as college teaching is, and just like practicing law (and not everyone with a law degree practices law or has passed the bar, even… and we may indeed be suffering the consequences in Connecticut of having an Education Commissioner, Stefan Pryor, who has no meaningful experience in education. Alas, to have the lunatics running the asylum (i.e., those who have never been educators determining who or what would make an ideal educator).
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I totally agree, but I will chime in with one piece of anecdotal evidence: myself. I started my career as an historian (just as Diane did) and taught college for ten years before I decided what I really wanted to do was pure teaching rather than the research grind and returned to get a M.Ed. and certification. That alone, by the way, makes Mr. Zimmer’s first point a bit shaky, since a professional with an advanced degree most certainly can become a certified teacher in a relatively short period of time, especially since they don’t need preparation on their content knowledge. But I digress.
I shudder to think what would have happened to me had I just done what Mr. Zimmer suggests and transitioned directly from college to high school teaching. I’d probably have washed out of the profession, since I wouldn’t have had any idea how to manage a classroom at those age levels or how to present content for younger minds. While Mr. Zimmer may feel that teaching a college seminar course means you could do the same in a high school, that’s only because he’s never tried it. I can practically guarantee that it would be a miserable failure. I know that if I taught now as I did in my college courses (where I was highly rated as a teacher, both by students and colleagues) I’d be a terrible teacher and my students would not understand a tithe of what I can teach them now in the same time period. The vast majority of college professors thrown into a typical high school classroom (much less a typical urban, comprehensive high school classroom) would be eaten alive or quit in frustration by the end of the first week.
So Mr. Zimmer’s first point is based on a set of incorrect assumptions: that it’s too hard (he implies “almost impossible”) for a professional in another field to become a teacher because of certification requirements (it’s not, as I know from personal experience); that people without training in K-12 education can teach effectively without additional training (which may apply to a select few, but not to most, even when they are a successful college professor); that somehow ed schools do not “compete” for students and this leads to insularity based on the assumption that you must attend a limited set of schools (despite the fact that there are a host of ed schools and any degree from an accredited school is good anywhere in the nation to get you to the level sufficient for certification in every state); that an ed degree and certification are inherently tied together (they aren’t, but the first is almost indispensable if you’re going to be able to pass the tests to gain the second, which is all about proving you have the knowledge base to be an effective teacher as well as a content specialist.)
My own experience tells me quite clearly that Mr. Zimmer has no idea what he’s talking about with this first point. It’s a set of poor arguments made from ignorance of what is actually required to be a teacher and why certification is necessary. To put it as bluntly as possible so he can’t mistake my meaning, what it really comes down to is that K-12 teaching is its own skill set, different from content knowledge and college teaching experience, and this cannot be learned by osmosis unless you’re willing to throw these folks into a classroom unprepared and abide by the inevitable poor results and the harm this does to students.
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Well said, schoolgal.
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I am immediately suspicious of this person…..”If Bridgeport does ratify mayoral appointment of its school board, it will join a national trend of urban districts replacing elected boards with appointed ones. The impact of these changes on student outcomes has been very positive in cities where mayors have used the appointment authority to promote new routes to teacher certification, better teacher assessment, school grading, school choice, and retention and targeted intervention for students who don’t meet minimum reading standards. The need for these changes is emphasized in “Reforming Connecticut’s Schools: The Four Big Things,” a recent policy paper by the Connecticut Policy Institute about education policies that have had the greatest impact on improving student performance.” I witnessed some bizarre things when the Mayor took over st. Louis public schools, none more disturbing to me than a complete shutdown of media followup on the murder of ex-student Tim Bacon. I have had 1483 views of my you tube talking about it….and comments including a judge’s explanation of why the report of Tim’s alleged beating by a basketball coach was no longer in the family services records. The latest action by this appointed board….they traded KIPP a building in exchange for letting them count KIPP’s stats with the regular schools in the reports to the state. Kind of cherry picking their charter schools. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BctOq3y1Lrk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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You are absolutely correct to suspect this person!
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are there any studies or stats about just how great these appointed boards are? It looks to me like mostly a power grab, using the usual holier than the stupid voters reform excuses…
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My undergrad degree is in English with a History minor. I have an MA in English and a second MA in Teaching and Learning.
By Mr. Zimmer’s reckoning I should apply for a medical license because I have shown talent in putting Band-Aids on 1st graders’ boo-boos.
Or maybe I should apply to take the Bar Exam since I have shown great talent in arguing with people in blog comments over points of law.
Maybe I could get a pilot’s license since my nephew flies fighter jets for the Air Force and I’ve flown many times myself and I have a clear talent at taking off and landing without incident (so far).
Electricians make a lot of money. I could get an electrician’s license since I’ve successfully used electricity for over 50 years without having a single electrocution incident.
Since Mr. Zimmer relies on economists to define teacher value I think we should also consider relying on archeologists to define the value of computer programmers. Or we could ask biologists to determine the value of musicians.
However you spin it, Mr. Zimmer, your argument that professions only require specialized training and licensure in order to avoid competition is about the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. Professions have historically controlled entry to their ranks because it’s common sense that people who are experts oversee the training and work of those aspirants who want to join them. It is a very reliable and efficient system of weeding out most of the unqualified (if not all of those with bad intent) and being held accountable by one’s peers keeps most people honest and diligent.
Licensure and certification may be thorns in the side of libertarian thinkers but they serve a very real purpose of protecting the general population and ensuring a standard of excellence and expertise that market-based accountability is incapable of reproducing.
If I go to an uncertified “expert” doctor and he accidentally removes my liver instead of my appendix then I can’t shop around for the best doctor the market indicates because I’m dead. If I hire an uncertified “expert” lawyer with, say a background in pharmacology, and she puts up no defense then I can’t shop around for another lawyer in the free market because I’m in jail for 20 years. And that lawyer who is an unlicensed “expert” in pharmacology just poisoned me and I’m dead so I can’t shop the free market for another “better” pharmacist, can I?
Why are you asking parents to risk the education and the future of their precious children with uncertified and unlicensed experts who receive a special dispensation because they have been successful at something else?
I teach first grade. Tell me who qualifies for alternative certification and licensure to teach a 6 year old how to read and write and add and subtract? It is rocket science, as Lousia Moats so famously argued and no outsider, now matter how rich, how lauded, or how successful in business has the skills I have or the ability to do it well without being trained as I was (and am still) and by putting in the years I have to gain the expertise to do it properly.
If I want to teach undergrad classes in Physics then I would need to pay my dues and earn credentials in Physics. Why do you think experts in other fields should receive a pass when it would never be asked or expected if the movement were reversed? Which profession is waving their licensure and certification to welcome teachers into their fold without learning the field, paying the dues, and passing the exams?
I totally and unequivocally reject your arguments against licensure and certification by traditional means and through traditional schools of education because it makes no sense, would not work, and destroys the very profession of education, no matter how many times you claim to like and respect teachers. I’m not fooled.
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“…your argument that professions only require specialized training and licensure in order to avoid competition is about the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. Professions have historically controlled entry to their ranks because it’s common sense that people who are experts oversee the training and work of those aspirants who want to join them.”
Your words really hit me as the perfect rebuttal.
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Perfect, perfect, perfect, response.
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Chris, your’s is the quintessential response to this topic. Great post!
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A masterpiece was once simply a work done to become a master in a guild. As sitting masters sought to limit their competition, standards increased and the meaning of the word changed.
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That’s just silly.
That is indeed the etymology of meesterstuk, but in applications of the word to other areas of mastery, outside the guild system, it just has the connotation of mastery, or the personal best of the master in question. That usage developed among people who didn’t care a whit about the guild system, so it couldn’t have come about because “sitting masters sought to limit their competition”
The spin of argument has many similarities to Zimmer’s effort to discredit mastery itself in order to attack teachers for our very expertise. Such know-it all pretense and puffery is laughable and detestable at the same time. There ought to be a word for it.
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The claim was that groups contriving their own membership would never make decisions for their own economic advantage. That claim is false.
I think, however, that much of the tegulation around teacher qualifications involves an attempt to limit the ability of local politicians to use teaching positions as patronage positions.
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“Such know-it all pretense and puffery is laughable and detestable at the same time. There ought to be a word for it.”
There is a word for it, maven, from Yiddish but used by English speakers, too. Technically, maven means expert but when used in a negative sense, it means a know-it-all. (The eye-roll is a quick give-away that it’s not meant as a compliment.)
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No, teachingeconomist, I did NOT claim that “that groups contriving their own membership would never make decisions for their own economic advantage”. Of course they do; it would be self-defeating and silly if they didn’t. My claim was that groups of experts act ONLY in the interest of avoiding “competition” is ludicrous.
And your jump to “preventing patronage” in teacher hiring was quite a leap in changing the subject considering that Mr. Zimmer argues for special treatment for people such as the imaginary PhD physicist or historian being “prevented” from teaching high school by a lack of credential or, perhaps, his good friend Paul Vallas? Talk about patronage!
Credentials were created by states to ensure a baseline of quality and qualification in the school workforce. Teachers are required to pass health and criminal screenings to prevent contagious individuals and those with a criminal background from entering a classroom. Are those credentials also to be waived for special people like Zimmer’s reform friends?
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I don’t think it is a leap at all to say that regulation of teacher qualifications is an attempt to limit patronage. The local public school system is often the largest local employer in the town. Perhaps a historian of education could step in and comment on patronage and public education.
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As you acknowledge, other professions have certification requirements. Yet, I don’t see any movements to tear down the licensing requirements for doctors, lawyers, police officers, nurses, insurance agents, building contractors, pilots, etc. What is it that makes teaching so much different than these other professions?
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Power and money. . . . to answer your question.
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Ben,
It’s me, the original poster…
HOW ARE YOU DOING?
Sorry… I can’t help using the ALL CAPS thing..
Seriously, though, thanks for clarifying your positions…
I’ll respond later in detail…
Peace out,
Jack
P.S. Calling you an “assclown” was and is regrettable
on my part… sorry… I get carried away sometimes.
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Jack,
I’ve never heard the term “assclown” before. I am curious as to its etymology. Thanks for adding another word to my vocabulary;o)
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I don’t think that the word has been formally acknowledged. But plenty of urban definitions can be found. My favorite: A person who is laughable and detestable at the same time. Usually pretends to be a know-it-all, often enhancing their stories, knowledge, experience, and every thing in between with pure bullsh**.
Source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=assclown
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But is it acceptable when playing Scrabble??
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Perhaps for a seven letter word (preferably on a tripleword square) it is worth a try, schoolgal.
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Clarification noted. Thank you! We never stop learning or wanting to learn.
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Zimmer’s indignation is misplaced, and in fact he has mischaracterized Arizona Teacher’s comment.
For instance, there are no “all caps tirades” in Jack’s comment. There are fifteen words in all-caps, and eleven of those are Zimmer’s own.
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Thank you for posting that….it says more to me than all the krap he posted.
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There are certain structural features of the teaching profession as currently constituted that limit its ability to realize its full potential. I believe we should reform those features.
Ben,
Explain to me why it is the teaching profession your institute has decided to focus on if others are also not perfect. Are you interested in helping the banking profession, the reform hobbyists or the proliferation of policy wonks? I’m confused what expertise you have when it comes to reforming a profession you have never mastered yourself. Y
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The argument Mr. Zimmer makes in supporting someone who knows high level content in a specific subject area is not as important to the State of CT as is educational pedagogy. The pilot SEED teacher evaluation system in CT was skill based (http://www.connecticutseed.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CT_FFT_Smart_Card.pdf) with four domains. Here is an example of:
DOMAIN 2: The Classroom Environment
2a Creating an Environment of Respect and Rapport
• Teacher interaction with students •Student interaction with students
2b Establishing a Culture for Learning
•Importance of content •Expectations for learning and achievement
•Student pride in work
2c Managing Classroom Procedures
•Instructional groups • Transitions
• Materials and supplies • Non-instructional duties
•Supervision of volunteers and paraprofessionals
2d Managing Student Behavior
•Expectations • Monitoring behavior • Response to misbehavior
2e Organizing Physical Space
•Safety and accessibility •Arrangement of furniture and resources
Out of the 18 standards listed on the evaluation document lined above, content is mentioned as criteria only four times; three of those are in “sub-groups” as in the example above (under “Creating a Culture for Learning”)
Perhaps the reason for focus on pedagogy rather than content at the higher levels, the levels that Mr. Zimmer is building his argument to include, could be the lack of qualified evaluators who could accurately determine if the content for an AP Physics or AP Latin Virgil class was indeed appropriate.
Based on this SEED document, which was rejected by numerous districts around the state as too unwieldy, Mr. Zimmer should be aware that this state plan to evaluate teachers was developed around a nationally recognized educational pedagogy (Charlotte Danielson model). Teacher evaluations are taken very serious in CT, and most teachers recognize that to meet the standards outlined above requires training and practice. Even the PhD in history he would put in front of the class would need many, many hours of teaching practice to smoothly meet the demands specified in each of the four domains.
While I personally believe in the importance of content, I also fully support certification and licenses. I came to teaching through an alternate program, and I continue my graduate education to this day. The certifications and licenses are, as I stated in an earlier response, the means to ensure educators…all educators…. are qualified to prepare their students to be career and college ready in order make the state desirable to live and do business.
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The document LINKED (not lined) is (http://www.connecticutseed.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CT_FFT_Smart_Card.pdf)
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Here is the truly ironic thing…we are now ALL about standards (i.e. Common Core) and ensuring a standardized education to take a standardized test to ensure “college and career” readiness.
Yet, having “standards” in Educational certification is Kafkaesque? By this definition – “Marked by a senseless, disorienting, often menacing complexity” – I would say that Education Reform would more aptly be described as emanating from a Kafka novel.
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I have taught both college and high school. I have interacted deeply with college faculty, many of whom care deeply about student learning, but do not study it enough to really be effective for the diverse learners that we see K-12. . Content experts do not automatically make good teachers. To say that displays an ignorance of the nature of teaching. Teaching is not telling. It is looking at the material through the leans of the learner, not the expert, although you need to be an expert to do this. It is not bringing down, dumbing down or breaking down content. It is rearranging, mixing up, going backwards, sideways and anyway that connects with the learner. I don’t want a physics Ph.D teaching my child unles they know how people learn and how people develop. As far as I know, those are not required learnings for a science Ph.D.
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I agree with Alice about people with advanced degrees. It sounds reasonable to those who don’t understand K-12 education, but it doesn’t always work well. This is also applies to some of the more intelligent teachers I know. Just because a teacher is brilliant, it doesn’t make them able to connect with students, especially at the K-12 level. Many professors are terrible teachers. They are researchers. These teachers would do better teaching AP-level classes, perhaps. What are Mr. Zimmer’s credentials? How long was he a teacher in K-12? Was he a professor for many years? Is he like an Arne Duncan character who has never taught. I only ask because some of the points he makes tells me that he hasn’t “been there” as a teacher or professor. This is akin to having a general who has never been a soldier. Can you imagine a general trying to command men when he has never been a soldier himself. Can I be in think tank for making health care better in America even though I have never worked in health care? There are many people engaged in education “reform” that have never been teachers. Isn’t that incredible! I would like to know how Mr. Ben Zimmer got into this game. Did he have a golfing buddy? Did he play basketball with someone wealthy? This is all very absurd to me with people talking about things that they don’t understand at all. They have no experience. How dare they talk about something they don’t know- at all. Why don’t I tell surgeons how to operate? Amazing! Unbelievable! Do they quote this guy in magazines and newspapers?
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Here’s what the CPI website said about Zimmer when it announced, “Ben Zimmer named Executive Director of CPI” on Sept. 1, 2011:
“Mr. Zimmer is currently a third-year student at Yale Law School. Prior to law school, he worked as a consultant for McKinsey & Co. and as a member of the Obama-Biden Presidential Transition Team. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard College in 2007, where he studied history and economics. He has also worked for the New York City Corporation Counsel and for Jenner & Block, LLP in Washington, D.C.” http://ctpolicyinstitute.org/announcements/page/press-release-ben-zimmer-named-executive-director-of-cpi
So, he was still a STUDENT when he was appointed Executive Director of CPI and he has no experience in education. Sounds like the same cronyism that has been filling the top jobs with preferred non-educator elites that we see all around us in education today.
No wonder he sees no value to a background in education. He knows nothing about it. Ignore him.
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Thank you for the insight. But it’s true, you don’t need to know anything about education if you are hired to destroy it then privatize it.
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“you don’t need to know anything about education if you are hired to destroy it then privatize it.”
Yes, you are right. By ignore, I meant don’t let know-nothings get to you personally. Definitely do counter such bogus attacks with the truth.
Interestingly, according to this article, Zimmer’s father is the president of the University of Chicago. Also, apparently CPI is a front for GOP candidate Tom Fowley’s next run for CT governor: http://www.ctmirror.org/story/2013/06/28/gop-gubernatorial-hopeful-and-his-nonpartisan-policy-institute
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Oh my God. This Ben Zimmer guy is such a right-wing, privatizing, union-busting douche. He IS and assclown, after all.
Read the article again:
http://www.ctmirror.org/story/2013/06/28/gop-gubernatorial-hopeful-and-his-nonpartisan-policy-institute
He’s 22 years-old, never worked in education in any capacity, and is basically the ass-licking minion / sidekick of some creepy ultra-right-wing guy running for governor…
If there was any doubt about this guy’s lameness in anyone’s mind—there was never any such doubt in mine—this clinches it.
His University of Chicago President father must be utterly mortified.
(You can see a picture of him, too… looks like the tall, skinny character Gabe from THE OFFICE)
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Wow, Jack…
You ain’t kiddin’…
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Here’s a great video of my union president, Warren
Fletcher, who has been raising the consciousness of
myself and our 40,000 members since his election
in spring 2011. This is from his PART FOUR
of Fletcher’s first address to the membership at
UTLA’s annual Leadership Conference. The attendees
are comprised of hundreds of Chapter Chairs from
each individual school site.
(this year’s conference starts later this week.)
Here’s a great moment at:
7:10
In this speech from two years ago, Fletcher calls
out people like Ben Zimmer, and organizations
like the Connecticut Policy Institute:
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FLETCHER:
“The goal of the phony ‘reform’ movement
isn’t to CHANGE your job; it’s to ELIMINATE
your job.
“Their goal isn’t to CHANGE the teaching profession;
it’s to ABOLISH the idea of teaching AS A PROFESSION.”
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If you have time, watch all four parts:
PART ONE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzkHi7pEicY
PART TWO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywB0aJITMQ
PART THREE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emT9JGVzmAU
PART FOUR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYWCpQgMWWQ
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I don’t know why Mr Zimmer feels he needs to “reform” the teaching profession in Connecticut by attacking certification requirements. Connecticut already has an avenue for professionals in other fields to enter teaching. It is called the Alternate Route to Certification program, and it has been in existence since 1986. The link is below. Entry to the program is highly selective. I know several veteran teachers who entered teaching via the ARC program. It is NOT a TFA-style program that assumes any 22-year-old with a bachelor’s degree can teach. Its focus is on areas of need within the profession and “mid-career” candidates who truly wish to teach as a career (not as a lark).
http://www.ctohe.org/ARC/
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As someone who became a certified teacher at the age of 43 after 20 years in the international shipping market, I can only say that I find Mr. Zimmer’s points miss the point. My experience (and, BTW, I exited my first career as the founding partner of a successful tanker brokerage firm) was not sufficient to qualify me as a teacher. Mr. Zimmer’s experiences and education, unless they included classroom experience for more than a day, do not qualify him to comment on the requirements for teaching certification. I offer one example-
My spouse, who holds a PhD, is a published author, is internationally recognized in her specialty – currently writing a chapter (solicited by the editors) for an academic publisher in Spain – spent one year as an adjunct professor and despite her qualifications and experience as a clinical psychologist barely sufficient to teach in a setting without the demands placed on public school teachers; where the students were: present voluntarily, pre-selected by the institution admission process, in pursuit of specific career goal. She found the administrative demands and paperwork far more time-consuming than expected (she had thought I was merely unorganized), and in the end decided that the ration of crap work to educating students with poor monetary compensation not worth it. And that was without the demands foisted upon public school teachers by “reformers” and “experts” like Mr. Zimmer, Esq.
One of the reasons that people that are highly qualified in fields other than education require training and certification is that they generally (I use the quallifier only because there must be some exceptions to the rule) know little or nothing about teaching a room full of children. Even a room full of children that have all been well fed, come from stable and supportive homes, and are materially secure presents challenges that a non-teacher does not appreciate.
I have a modest proposal-
No legislator, researcher, editorial writer, or reformer of any type should be permitted to publish or speak on the topic of teaching without having shadowed a teacher for at least a week – and preferably, three teachers (elementary, middle school, high school) for a week each.
I extend my personal invitation to Mr. Zimmer to follow me for a week in the fall.
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sorry, I meant to leave my full name
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It doesn’t appear he is willing to have a dialogue here, so I encourage all to take him up on his offer and at least email your comments to him:
I welcome constructive dialogue with any of you on these issues. You can email me at ben.zimmer@ctpolicyinstitute.org, or call the Connecticut Policy Institute office at 203-404-0235.
Best,
Ben Zimmer
Executive Director
Connecticut Policy Institute
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Heh, heh. They won’t be able to keep up!
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Point 1 – I don’t mind if a physics teacher enters the field without an education degree. I just expect him to get one or get certified in some form or fashion, whether it be an add-on or something to that extent.
Anything less is demotes the teaching profession. Not anyone can teach, and everyone should prove they have the head knowledge to get the job – enter education add-on degrees or some form of certification.
You can supply as much word salad as you wish, but I see through your bogus arguments. Our kids suffer because of people like you.
Point 2 – I know I have read Sass’s study some time ago. I don’t have time to review it now. I will say that if you expect me to believe that someone can tease out the effects of teacher certification among groups of teachers with probably thousands of variables to control, then your an assclown.
Point 3 – What the crap do I care what other professions do? We are talking about our children here. I don’t want some assclown with 5 weeks of training being certified to teach my children.
I want someone who has completed teacher certification, or is in the process of attaining such certification, and is fully credentialed, to be teaching my children.
Anything else poses a risk to our students no matter what Sass says.
He’s an assclown too.
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Which state’s certification requirements do you require?
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