Teachers these days are confused by the high volume of attacks on the profession. Members of teachers’ unions are beset by the frequent, virulent attacks on the very idea of collective bargaining.
In conservative states, governors and legislatures are doing whatever they can to weaken or eliminate collective bargaining. Two Hollywood movies in the past two years have cast the unions as the evil force that protects incompetent, lazy teachers and causes poor children to get low test scores. Without unions, it seems, our test scores would be the highest in the world and probably there would be no poverty either. All the industries that fled to China because of labor unions would have stayed here and there would be full employment for anyone willing to work for $2 an hour and live in a dormitory near the factory.
Now comes a publication from the conservative think tank Thomas B. Fordham Institute of DC and Dayton showing just how powerful those evil unions are.
Its report purports to prove that there is no association between high levels of union membership and academic achievement. Massachusetts may be number 1 in academic achievement (93% unionized), followed at the top of NAEP by New Jersey (97%) and Connecticut (99%), but TBF has devised a different way to parse those figures and conclude that unions are actually an obstacle to high achievement.
Mike Petrilli of TBF claims that I am one of those people who say that unions “can’t possibly be to blame for lackluster student achievement…if anything, unionization helps raise achievement, they say.”
This is a falsehood, misinformation, or willful ignorance. Petrilli is annoyed because I pointed out on this blog that Romney boasts about the academic gains in Massachusetts at the same time he is determined to flatten teachers’ unions, never acknowledging that those remarkable gains were accomplished by unionized teachers.
Petrilli should read my book.
I never wrote that unions cause higher achievement. DC is unionized and has low achievement, but it is not because it has a union. Student performance on NAEP is very low for Mississippi and Louisiana is very low, but it is not because they have weak unions.
What I wrote in “The Death and Life of the Great American School System” is this: “No one, to my knowledge, has demonstrated a clear, indisputable correlation between teacher unionism and academic achievement, either negative or positive. The Southern states, where teachers’ unions have historically been either weak or nonexistent, have always had the poorest student performance on national examinations. Massachusetts, the state with the highest academic performance, has long had strong teachers’ unions. The difference in performance is probably due to economics, not to unionization. Where there are affluent communities, student performance tends to be higher, whether or not their teachers belong to unions.”
What the unions do is to give teachers a voice in decisions about the conditions of teaching and learning. They give them representation if they are treated unjustly. They guarantee due process. Further, they provide an advocate for public education when decisions are made about the budget. Had there been a strong union in Texas, the Legislature would not have cut $5.4 billion from the budget for public education. Had there been a strong union in Louisiana, the Legislature would not have authorized the creation of vouchers and charters that take money out of the minimum foundation budget for public schools.
And unions do something else that matters to our society: They create a middle class. It may not be a coincidence that income inequality has grown as union membership has declined. Norman Hill and Velma Hill, veteran civil rights and labor activists, pointed out in a recent post on the Shanker blog that “the wages of black union members are 31 percent higher than the wages of African Americans who are not union members. The union wage advantage for women workers is 34 percent; for Latino workers, it is a whopping 51 percent.”
Rightwing ideologues like ALEC and like-minded think tanks across the nation want a union-free America, free to drive down wages and increase the working hours of teachers and other workers. If they had their way, teachers would have alternate certification or none at all; would be at-will employees; would serve at the pleasure of the corporation that hired them; would leave teaching as easily as they entered it; and would have nothing to say about working conditions or pay or hours.
This would predictably destroy the teaching profession. Why anyone thinks it would improve education is beyond my understanding.

These commentators are throw backs and history should inform them that attitudes like theirs are the reason labor organized to form unons in the first place–to protect workers from draconian management demands.
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They are motivated by greed and power. By destroying the unions and then the teaching profession and thus, the middle class, they are destroying themselves. When there is no one able or willing to buy their products, whatever it may be, and we have poor and wealthy only, we have destroyed our democracy, our society and our nation. Next they will go after the male dominated professions, fire and police. Privatize that, too. So as they destroy the middle class, they destroy themselves. There will be a pecking order for the elite and they shall shun the worker bees who presently do their bidding…. it will happen eventually… yes, Michelle et al..I mean YOU!
You are only needed for so long and for their purposes only. Then, you too will be tossed aside. Remember once Boxer was no longer useful he was sold to the knacker.
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Most parasites are smart enough not to kill their hosts.
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Please excuse this off topic post, but I noticed that Dr. Ravitch removed the “attention must be paid” post based in the comment of K Spradlin in the NC Teacher “I quit” post. Was that because Dr. Ravitch concluded, along with many others, that the story the post was based on is false? I am not sure about Dr. Ravitch’s editorial policy here, and hope some one more familier with it could help me understand it.
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I have no idea what you are talking about and
You are always such a naysayer about almost everything here that I don’t know why you even bother reading and posting. It is familiar…ar not er… But possibly that was just a typo.
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I a very supportive of many posts here. The post I am talking about was a repost of this comment:
K. Spradlin
October 27, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Where I live in Pahrump, Nv, we have had 7 math and science teachers leave the high school this last week. They all planned to leave together as a protest. All of them had Ph.D degrees in math, and two of them had double doctorates in math and physics or biology. They left in protest of test driven evaluations now in place state wide here in Nevada, and they do not approve of the push to try to make all children go to college. As they stated in an open letter, They can only teach, advanced math takes a persistent concerted effort to learn. Many students in their Calculus classes do not need the class and are not prepared well enough to do well. Very few of these students will need the class either. To evaluate the teacher based on these factors they stated should be unconscionable. They close by stating that if math is so easy that all can readily master it, the district should have no problem replacing them. They all have other jobs in different states. None of them plan on continuing in public education.
The post, and 28 comments, was removed.
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When Kevin Spradlin told me his account had been hacked and he had not written that post, I took it down.
I have an editorial board, and I am the editor in chief and the sole member of that board. All decisions are mine.
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It is good to know that K Spradlin’s account was hacked. That series of posts had lead me (and perhaps others) to doubt all of K Spradlin’s posts on this blog.
It is unfortunate that he did not let you know about the hacked account until well after you had featured this bogus comment on the blog.
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Dr. Ravitch,
Do you know if accounts here are often hacked and used to post fraudulent information? Do you know how the account was hacked?
I am concerned because 1) I should take steps to prevent my account from being hacked, if possible, and 2) I should read and respond to posts with the understanding that the comment may not have been made by the person who commented using that name in previous posts.
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Yes it happens all the time. This is Linda2. I think you should disable your email, set up a new one and start your own blog then you don’t have to worry. I actually don’t believe that is the true intent of your questions. You must be a blast at a party. Happy Halloween.
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Linda,
What is the true intent of my question?
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You know.
If you are so concerned, don’t post.
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Linda,
I really don’t know. Dr. Ravitch’s very reasonable policy is to remove posts from hacked accounts. I noticed that this post was removed, but I don’t know if that is the first time it has happened or if accounts here are commonly hacked and many posts have been removed.
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I see Dr. Ravitch has put the post back up.
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Would the elimination of unions make education less expensive? Would that lower my taxes if I’m a home owner with no children in school? Would that lower my taxes if I’m a business? Would privatization be an opportunity for expansion of my for-profit charter school? The answer to each of these questions is “Yes”… and THAT’s why SOME people believe the elimination of unions would improve education… The challenge is to get folks who define education as an “expense” to see it as an “investment”…
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Anyone who thinks education would be less expensive without teachers unions is drinking the kool aid. The unions and a handful of activists are about the only ones left standing between even more charters, vouchers, standardized testing, and many other forms of educational profiteering.
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And do you get to decide who is worthy of being educated since your post is mostly about you and your money?
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Linda,
wgerson is trying to show how some people think about unions and taxes. I don’t believe that the post was really about him.
Duane
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Excellent analysis re role of teachers unions. Surprising that the anti-teachers-union campaigns have been so successful with the general public. We rarely see similar campaigns against police unions or fireman’s unions; years ago, I would have thought that the general public held teachers in even higher esteem than police and firefighters. Possibly, the fact that teachers’ salaries have increased significantly (relative to say the 1970s) combined with the fact that earnings have stagnated for most middle-class jobs during the same period has made the middle-class public somewhat envious of teachers (or at least no longer sees teachers as people doing good deeds for low pay)..
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Police and fire – mostly men
Teachers – mostly women
Let’s see what happens when they try to go after male dominated unions or have they?
Walker left them alone but skewered the primarily female dominated profession/union.
I wonder why?
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I think the increase in teachers salaries since the seventies is the result of reduced occupational segregation for women. I think the public school system still has not fully dealt with the fact that women have many more choices in professions.
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If you factor for cost of living since the 70s, there isn’t a significant increase to teacher salaries.
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Linda nailed it.
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Teacher’s salaries have increased significantly? And compared to other comparable middle class jobs? Where are you getting this information?
FROM Who Stays in Teaching and Why: A Review of the Literature on Teacher Retention (NRTA, 2005)
“There is also evidence that relative pay for teachers has declined since the 1970s. This decline has particular effects for women and minorities, who now have access to many alternative careers that were not open to them in the 1970s. Loeb and Page (2000) found that the salaries of women teach- ers, which were higher than those of their non-teaching counterparts in the early 1970s, were con- siderably lower by 1991. Thus, for women who have access to many career options, choosing to teach today often means foregoing higher pay in another line of work.”
AND
“There is substantial evidence that teachers are paid less than comparably educated workers and that this discrepancy is growing. An analysis conducted by Education Week showed that in 1994 the difference between the salaries of teachers with bachelor’s degrees and non-teachers with bachelor’s degrees was $11,035 (in 1998 dollars). Four years later, in 1998, this gap had expanded 61 percent to $18,000. For master’s degree recipients, the comparison was even starker. The salary gap between teachers and non-teachers had almost doubled between 1994 and 1998, from $12,918 to $24,648
(Olson, 2000). Similarly, Henke et al. (2000) analyzed NCES data and reported that, among bache- lor’s degree recipients who graduated in 1993 and were working full-time five years later, teachers’ salaries, as compared to the salaries of other professionals in the cohort, were the lowest of the cohort. Loeb and Reininger (2004), reviewed research based on the Schools and Staffing Survey 1999-2000, and concluded that “teachers’ salaries are close to those of social workers, ministers and clerical staff. Lawyers, doctors, scientists, and engineers earn substantially more, as do managers and sales and financial workers” (p. 40). These findings are echoed in the recent report from Allegretto, Corcoran, and Mishel (2004) of the Economic Policy Institute, in which the authors find a large difference between teachers’ weekly salaries and those of employees in comparable fields (e.g. accountants, phys- ical therapists, editors, registered nurses, and architects). The authors utilized a measure that defines the level of skill needed for a job along ten different dimensions, including knowledge, complexity, and scope and effect of one’s job. This, along with a measure of the market value of a job, was used to determine the occupations that are comparable to teaching. They conclude that, on average, teachers earn 12 percent less per week than the composite salary for the comparable professions”
professions.”
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In the 1950s, teachers were significantly underpaid relative to other college-degreed jobs. Sometime between 1960 and 1990 (perhaps varying in different parts of the country), teacher pay went up significantly relative to other college-degreed jobs. This was attributable to multiple factors — suburbanization, property values increasingly tied to perceived school quality, teacher unionization, increased numbers of men going into teacher, and, obviously, the ability of well-credentialed women to pursue other careers. The 1950s image of the teacher was one of a “good human being” doing socially valuable work for minimal pay (and usually a woman whose family was supported principally by her husband’s income) — almost like charity work. By the 1990s, the image of the teacher had changed to resemble more one of a civil servant doing an important job, doing it for govt pay (less than private sector but not much less) and with govt hours (lots of vacation time). It’s possible that teacher pay has flatlined relative to comparably-credentialed jobs since 1990; my anecdotal experience suggests that this has not happened and that contrary studies are including higher-skilled jobs (lawyers, engineers) or high-demand jobs (computer specialists) as comparables. But. even if teachers are still paid much less today than comparable jobs, teachers today are no longer paid the extremely low salaries of the 1950s and therefore the public no longer views teachers as good-hearted charity workers.
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Teacher’s don’t get vacation time. I get paid just under 45K, after 15 years of service, and I have so many degrees, I will not take the time to list them.
I work in the summers (roofing/construction), as do most teachers, especially males. In fact, coaches at the high school level continue to train their athletes during the summer months without pay – especially football.
Whatever your “anecdotal experiences” are, please never imply that teachers get paid as much as comparable professionals, or that our wages are not “extremely low” whether you are comparing the 1950’s or not.
Please feel free to look at more evidence. Choose any state and look at the pay-parity study on page 11. Only 10 states pay teacher wages that are competitive with comparable professions, and only a handful of those states pay more than comparable professions.
http://www.edweek.org/ew/toc/2008/01/10/index.html
Teacher pay is terrible, period. There is no reason to disguise this fact with pithy language. We are educated professionals working in what are, in many cases, hostile conditions.
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Thank you Diane! I am absolutely struck by the similarities between a hostile corporate take-over of a company and what is happening to public education in our country. In fact this Wikipedia definition of a Strategic Takeover describes it perfectly:
” Other takeovers are strategic in that they are thought to have secondary effects beyond the simple effect of the profitability of the target company being added to the acquiring company’s profitability. For example, an acquiring company may decide to purchase a company that is profitable and has good distribution capabilities in new areas which the acquiring company can use for its own products as well. A target company might be attractive because it allows the acquiring company to enter a new market without having to take on the risk, time and expense of starting a new division. An acquiring company could decide to take over a competitor not only because the competitor is profitable, but in order to eliminate competition in its field and make it easier, in the long term, to raise prices. Also a takeover could fulfill the belief that the combined company can be more profitable than the two companies would be separately due to a reduction of redundant functions.”
The current efforts of the aggressive Charter School Movement has many of these same indicators: The public schools are “broken”, they would be better served through private or political management, the removal of powerful unions is the first step.
Frightening stuff.
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This study used the 50 state unions and Washington DC. It ranked Florida 50th. Despite that ranking, the ideologues on Florida’s media sites reporting this still treat the union like it’s the big Cookie Monster.
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Conservative think tank? I fail to see what is “conservative” about all of this neoliberal adventurism and radical “reform” that has been going on lately.
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Diane, Are you aware that the Thomas Fordham Foundation website has a part of a chapter of a book they are purporting to be your new one that has you claiming how wonderful scientology its and how it has changed your life? There its nothing on the page to indicate its a spoof. Its defamation of character! I
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Oh, dear, they are desperate, aren’t they?
They usually wait until April 1 to make fun of people.
Given the laws re defamation and libel, there’s nothing I can do but hope that people use their common sense and recognize that it is supposed to be funny.
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Diane, Are you aware that the Thomas Fordham Foundation website has a part of a chapter of a book they are purporting to be your new one that has you claiming how wonderful scientology its and how it has changed your life? There its nothing on the page to indicate its a spoof. Its defamation of character! I find it hard to consider that kind of act the kind that a legitimate ‘ think tank’ would undertake. They manage to degrade their own reputation among thoughtful people of any political stripe
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Diane, As you are aware Connecticut’s Governor hired as his new Education Commissioner a Lawyer and former assistant mayor of Newark and lastly a member of the board of directors of Michelle Rhee’s teach for America!
Unions are being branded as the problem, but the real problem is think tanks and education companies have realized the that public education is a Cash Cow and are devising ways to cash in on it. Pearson Education is currently charging New York City 7 million dollars to develop a new standardized test, which in trials parents have opted out due to excessive testing (New York Times, Oct. 2012).
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