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Professor Laurence Tribe on Trump Indictment

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June 10, 2023 //
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  1. Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
    June 10, 2023 at 5:52 pm

    Diane: So glad to see this getting around. I refer to Tribe as “Dr. Constitution.” CBK

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  2. Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
    June 10, 2023 at 6:07 pm

    Thank you, Professor Tribe. And I repeat his message: Read the indictment yourself. It’s fascinating. And it’s really damning. Jack Smith is a hero of democracy.

    Click to access trump-indictment.pdf

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  3. GregB's avatar GregB says:
    June 10, 2023 at 7:53 pm

    Here is another good summary and way to think about it:

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    • GregB's avatar GregB says:
      June 10, 2023 at 7:54 pm

      http://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-countdown-with-keith-olbe-99705496/episode/i-am-only-sorry-trumps-is-116975376

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      • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
        June 11, 2023 at 12:30 am

        That’s a stunning statement comparing Trump to the Rosenberg.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 1:18 am

        yup

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  4. H.Hurley's avatar H.Hurley says:
    June 10, 2023 at 8:06 pm

    Dr. Laurence Tribe always stops the Earth on its axis……another
    “E.F. Hutton Moment” on an amazing nightly program hosted by
    Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC.
    What would we do without their ethical journalism during these dangerous times in our history?

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  5. Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
    June 10, 2023 at 8:12 pm

    Meanwhile, actual NAZIS with DeSantis signs outside Disney World in Florida:

    hhttps://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1667589406511988742/photo/1

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 10, 2023 at 8:12 pm

      https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1667589406511988742/photo/1

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    • GregB's avatar GregB says:
      June 10, 2023 at 9:02 pm

      Remember when “actual NAZIS” were just a couple of occasional kooks with socialization problems and not an existential threat to humanity? Good times. Scratchin’ and survivin’. Hangin’ in and jivin’. Ain’t we lucky we had ’em?
      Good times.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 10, 2023 at 9:24 pm

        the current version of the Republican Party, aka, Nazis

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  6. Lloyd Lofthouse's avatar Lloyd Lofthouse says:
    June 10, 2023 at 8:22 pm

    U.S. voters did not elect Traitor Trump in 2016. The Electoral College did that. The traitor lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes. In 2020, the traitor lost by about 8,000,000.

    The U.S. is the only country in the world with an Electoral College that sometimes lets the loser win.

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 10, 2023 at 9:28 pm

      The Electoral College is an obscenity.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 11, 2023 at 7:09 am

        You know it when you see it… on ElectoralHub

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    • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
      June 11, 2023 at 7:15 am

      An Electoral College degree has never been what it was cracked up to be.

      Although it does look impressive hanging on my wall in that gold frame.

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  7. Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
    June 10, 2023 at 9:39 pm

    “I’m an innocent man. I did nothing wrong.” –Don the Con Trump

    “People gotta know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook.” –Tricky Dicky Nixon

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  8. Ken Watanabe's avatar Ken Watanabe says:
    June 10, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    The man is a total jackass. No doubt about it.

    But I’m not so sure if this will bring any substance in the first place. It draws ramifications on the trustworthiness of national intelligence, which is seriously at stake.

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 11, 2023 at 1:17 am

      The most breathtaking and abject intelligence failure in history is this: for four years a Russian asset was president of the United States. And the jerk is still waddling around free.

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      • Ken Watanabe's avatar Ken Watanabe says:
        June 11, 2023 at 4:30 am

        Or the FBI gave a tiny contibution to the presidency of the jackass? Sure, they deserve blame. I still don’t understand why Democrats are willing to support them. They have a long history of political intervention, spying citizens, manufacturing political narratives by serving for both Democrats and Republicans. Many of those outcomes aren’t really good, in my opinion.

        Speaking of the jackass clown, he’s actually the one responsible for worsening US diplomatic relationship with Russia. He did further damage to their interests for sure.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 9:57 am

        Or the FBI gave a tiny contibution to the presidency of the jackass?

        If the suggestion is that the FBI planted the classified documents, this is extremely wild and unwarranted speculation that is belied by Trump’s own admission, on tape, that he had classified documents, as well as by reports from others who witnessed the documents that Trump was hiding.

        Trump carried water for Putin throughout his administration. He requested that Russia hack the electronic correspondence of his opponent, and Russia complied. He brazenly did this in public. He denied the findings of his own intelligence agencies and of the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia had spent enormous intelligence resources to get him elected. He met in private with Putin and emerged to tell the world that he believed his pal not to have anything to do with election interference in the US. He constantly ran down our NATO allies, told aides that he wanted the US out of NATO, and generally alienated all our allies. He withheld military aid to Ukraine. He unilaterally pulled US troops from northern Syria, leaving it to the Russians and to Assad (and thereby ensuring the deaths of soldiers among our allies, the Kurds), an action so egregious that his own Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, resigned as a result. Trump unilaterally pulled us out of both the INF and the Open Skies Treaties at the very time when Russia was fielding a new generation of hypersonic nuclear missiles. He unilaterally dramatically reduced US troop strength in Germany, a key component of our NATO force. He met with the Russian ambassador int he Oval Office and gave him sensitive intelligence information. In other words, he gave his pal Putin everything the bloody little Chekist could want. He most certainly did NOT work to worsen things with Putin’s despicable regime. That’s ridiculous. Trump was and is Putin’s dog.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 10:14 am

        And that’s only the beginning. Who knows how much more this Russian asset compromised our national defense and security during his maladministration. It would not surprise me at all if he ended up fleeing to Russia like that other traitor to his country, Edward Lee Howard.

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      • Ken Watanabe's avatar Ken Watanabe says:
        June 12, 2023 at 9:15 am

        He most certainly did NOT work to worsen things with Putin’s despicable regime.

        I’m sorry, I respectfully disagree.

        It was Trump who withdrew INF treaty between US and Russia since 1987.

        He accused Germany of making a deal with Russia on natural gas, and shut off Nordstream 2.

        It was his administration who decided to send Ukraine $47 million worth of lethal weapons in 2018 (Obame didn’t.) Despite his change of mind to briefly halt the aid in fall 2019, he ended up sending weapons to arm their Neo-Nazis.

        I don’t think he would make these horrible decisions if he really was (is) Putin’s boy — like US mainstream media protrays.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 12, 2023 at 3:05 pm

        lol

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 12, 2023 at 3:21 pm

        Trump withdrew from the INF and from Open Skies, which allowed for mutual verification via fly overs, AT THE VERY TIME WHEN RUSSIA WAS FIELDING HYPERSONIC MISSILES.

        Trump dithered on Nordstream 2 until it was completed. And only then did he give in to pressure from US Senators to send Germany a letter requesting that it be shut down.

        Trump infamously withheld arms to Ukraine.

        Sure, Ukraine is run by a Nazi. Who is Jewish. Whose father’s three brothers all died fighting the–wait for it–Nazis.

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  9. Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
    June 11, 2023 at 1:14 am

    Millions of Americans are so ignorant and stupid that they just don’t get why the Trump handling of classified documents was a problem?

    It’s getting embarrassing to be an American.

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  10. James Eales's avatar James Eales says:
    June 11, 2023 at 1:37 am

    General Patraeus. Sandy Berger. Hillary Clinton. Now, Donald Trump. There are a lot of classified documents to keep track of!

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    • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
      June 11, 2023 at 7:08 am

      James,

      You must admit: Trump beats all the rest of them by sheer quantity. And by his effort to hide them. In a bathroom, in a ballroom, in a bedroom at MAL.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 11, 2023 at 7:36 am

        Clueless: “It happened in the bathroom with Donald Trump and the Top Secret Document”

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 10:00 am

        By sheer quantity and by the sensitivity of the documents involved.

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    • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
      June 11, 2023 at 7:29 am

      “So many classified documents. So little time to read them” —Donald Trump

      If Trump had had ChatGPT read and summarize the documents, he could have returned them to Dick Cheney and avoided a lot of headache.

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    • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
      June 11, 2023 at 9:20 am

      James Have you read the indictment? None of the others did those things. If you are implying what your own innuendo implies, . . . that there is no big deal, and no difference between Trump and what these others did about classified documents, you either are not paying attention, or you have a “block” sitting between the facts and your thinker. CBK

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      • GregB's avatar GregB says:
        June 11, 2023 at 10:50 am

        To Smith’s great credit, the indictment is one readable, easily understood narrative. You don’t have to be a lawyer to comprehend the gravity of the situation. That’s why they don’t want to read it. Much easier to keep mischaracterizing.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 12:13 pm

        GregB We know it’s The Cult of Stupid Americans when it doesn’t matter that even Trump’s own words about Hillary condemn what he has done with the documents. CBK

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 11:02 am

        Much easier to keep mischaracterizing.

        Exactly

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 8:50 am

        Mischaracters mischaracterizing?

        What a surprise.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 8:56 am

        As surprising as malefactors malefacting (making up false “ facts”)

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  11. SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
    June 11, 2023 at 7:50 am

    Tribe expresses concerns about a particular Trump appointed judge, but what he should worry most about is the Supreme Court headed populated with Trump appointments and headed by his student John Roberts.

    There is zero chance that they are ever going to let a conviction stand.

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    • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
      June 11, 2023 at 7:53 am

      Roberts and the other members of the majority are undoubtedly already combing through the indictments to cobble together “legal” arguments that will allow them to declare them unConstitutional.

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    • Roy Turrentine's avatar Roy Turrentine says:
      June 11, 2023 at 10:12 pm

      Hey! Good to have you back around here.

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  12. Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
    June 11, 2023 at 9:22 am

    Even my very brief notes are going to moderation. CBK

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    • GregB's avatar GregB says:
      June 11, 2023 at 9:51 am

      It’s your turn. It’s been mine occasionally too. Might be the Gremlins!

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 12:07 pm

        GregB Thanks. See my note to Bob and think Rod Serling. CBK

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    • GregB's avatar GregB says:
      June 11, 2023 at 9:51 am

      My snarky reply just went into moderation! 😂

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 11, 2023 at 10:01 am

      This happens, CBK. WordPress is weird.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 12:04 pm

        Bob . . . do do do do, do do do do. CBK

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:03 pm

        Haaaa!!!

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      • GregB's avatar GregB says:
        June 11, 2023 at 1:12 pm

        That’s a lot of doo-doo.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 1:15 pm

        GregB Yes, but it’s a moderated kind of do-do. CBK

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  13. Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
    June 11, 2023 at 10:21 am

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-indictment-seems-to-show-he-learned-nothing-from-nixon/vi-AA1cmp3e?ocid=msedgntp

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  14. Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
    June 11, 2023 at 10:45 am

    The materials treated so sloppily by The Orange Idiot included nuclear secrets of the US and its allies and operational plans for possible military action. As presidential historian Michael Beschloss says in the clip that I posted above, what if some vile, traitorous moron like Trump had been president during the lead-up to D-Day and the Nazis had known precisely where we were going to land and with what? The cost to the US and to the free world generally in blood and otherwise would have been incalculable. Or imagine our enemies learning our intelligence methods and technologies from such documents and using this information to uncover and kill our covert agents. This is not a GAME. What Trump did is AS SERIOUS AS IT GETS. He should be treated precisely as the likes of Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were because what he did was as bad or worse.

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    • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
      June 11, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      One of the blogs—I forget which-/said Trump should get the same treatment as the Rosenbergs. What he did was as bad if not worse.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:02 pm

        The piece from Oberman that Greg B posted

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      • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:27 pm

        This is from Andrew Tobias’ blog:

        As for the “what-about-ism” that Trump and so many elected Republicans instantly invoked, someone named Emery writes:

        Before any right wingers start up with their “but other people had documents” nonsense, allow me to point out the distinctions:

        Pence: “I have classified documents. My bad! The FBI can come and get them.”

        Biden: “I have classified documents. My bad! The FBI can come and get them.”

        Trump: “I don’t have any documents at all, and I never did, except for the ones that I do, which I don’t. And what I have is my property, so the DOJ committed a crime by taking them back, even though I didn’t have them. I’m the victim here, because now they’re telling everyone what I had, even though I didn’t. And keeping classified and top secret documents isn’t illegal, even if it’s against the law. I didn’t do all of the things I did.”

        So, the situations aren’t identical.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:31 pm

        Exactly. And Trump keeps talking about how “Biden has 1,850 boxes.” These are Biden’s papers from his Senate career that were donated to the University of Delaware. So, not classified national security and defense documents available only to a select few, including the president. But ofc Trump keeps repeating what he knows to be a lie. It’s how he responds to stuff. And now his pal is going to be the presiding judge in his trial. Does the Teflon Don II slide again?

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 4:08 pm

        Flerp, I would be really, really surprised if Russian asset Donald J. Trump has not sold or traded for favors our country’s national secrets. He is as vile as they come. A criminal through and through. And he’s been Putin’s dog for a long, long, long time.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 12, 2023 at 7:01 am

        “At this point, no one knows why Trump stubbornly held on to classified documents, refused to turn them over, hid them, pretended he didn’t have any.”

        My boxes. My precious. No one. No one looks in my boxes. Precious boxes. People call me. They say, Sir, what’s in your boxes? Wouldn’t you like to know? Mine. All mine. My boxes. The most beautiful boxes. You wanna talk big league? Mr. President’s precious. More boxes, more votes than any sitting president. Secrets. the most secret secrets. Mine. My precious. . . .

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      • FLERP!'s avatar FLERP! says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:39 pm

        That was renowned scholar and former ESPN personality Keith Olbermann, I believe.

        What Trump alleged to have done is terrible, but he hasn’t alleged it have engaged in espionage, and the penalties for his alleged crime do not include execution.

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      • FLERP!'s avatar FLERP! says:
        June 11, 2023 at 6:18 pm

        “Flerp, I would be really, really surprised if Russian asset Donald J. Trump has not sold or traded for favors our country’s national secrets.”

        Bob, I would be surprised, although probably not stunned. But in any event, there’s a difference between what would not surprise us and what’s alleged in the indictment.

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      • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
        June 11, 2023 at 7:30 pm

        At this point, no one knows why Trump stubbornly held on to classified documents, refused to turn them over, hid them, pretended he didn’t have any. Why? No one knows. Was it vanity or greed?

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 7:38 pm

        FLERP What is in the indictment just skims the surface. That’s the difference between the indictment and what would not surprise us (from being quite aware of the pattern). CBK

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 8:55 pm

        Did Mohammed bin Hacksaw pay 2 billion dollars for information from Don the Con on US contingency plans for invading Iraq? Enquiring minds want to know.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 8:56 pm

        cx: Iran

        oops

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 9:03 pm

        How cushy to be Kushner.

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      • FLERP!'s avatar FLERP! says:
        June 12, 2023 at 7:52 am

        The indictment is all that matters. We’re out of investigation mode and into prosecution mode.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 12, 2023 at 7:57 am

        This goes far, far, far beyond Trump and his trial, Flerp. In what ways and to what extent have our national security and defense been compromised by Trump, either deliberately, because he was peddling information, or inadvertently, because he left it sitting in freaking bathrooms and ballrooms in a freaking beach club? Our intelligence and defense services are going to have to parse this. It’s a disaster. Who now know what that should be secret, and what are the consequences of that? Big questions.

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      • NYC public school parent's avatar NYC public school parent says:
        June 12, 2023 at 12:38 pm

        INTENTIONALLY retaining classified documents and UNINTENTIONALLY retaining them.

        There is no question that Trump INTENTIONALLY retained them. And INTENTIONALLY showed them to others.

        When you have unimpeachable evidence that someone INTENTIONALLY hit someone with their car, their motives don’t matter. Their crime does. And they don’t get to invoke all the people who accidentally hit someone and have their apologists whine that it is unfair that someone who INTENTIONALLY hit someone with a car gets prosecuted.

        Trump’s motives don’t matter, except we can all be 100% certain that he committed the crime for self-serving reasons.

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 11, 2023 at 9:29 pm

      “was it to curry favor with persons . . . overseas?”

      –Ex CIA Director Brennan, speculating on reasons why Don the Con might have gone to such extreme lengths to hide his possession of extraordinarily sensitive, top secret documents

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 11, 2023 at 9:31 pm

      Given how unsecured all these highly sensitive documents were for how long, it would be highly unlikely that foreign intelligence services didn’t lay their hands on them. All they would have had to do is to waltz into a bathroom or a ballroom or to pay someone to do that.

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    • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
      June 11, 2023 at 9:33 pm

      So, how much damage did this traitor to his country, Trump, do? That’s ONE of the really big questions here. Who knows what, now, that they shouldn’t know, and how deep does the damage go?

      ALSO, given how damning this indictment is, WHY, WHY, WHY have search warrants not been executed at every other Trump property, as well as at the properties of those closest to him?

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 9:35 pm

        If that doesn’t happen, it sounds like malfeasance to me. Should have been done before the indictment came down.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 9:05 am

        Why haven’t Trump search warrants been executed for Jeffrey Epstein’s bedrooms and saunas at his residences and pedophisland?

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 12, 2023 at 3:35 pm

        Those were already thoroughly searched to gather up and dispose of any photographs or video evidence of wrongdoing by anyone rich and powerful, SomeDAM.

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  15. gitapik's avatar gitapik says:
    June 11, 2023 at 12:43 pm

    About a year into his presidency, a couple of television interviewers asked Trump, “Why do you call us “fake news” when you know we’re not?”,

    His reply:

    “So that people won’t believe it when you say bad things about me”.

    Straight out. I actually saw the clip of him saying that.

    This is what we’re up against. He’s brainwashed his base. The hardcores will just see this as upping the ante.

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    • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
      June 11, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      gitapik You wrote: About a year into his presidency, a couple of television interviewers asked Trump, “Why do you call us “fake news” when you know we’re not?”, His reply: “So that people won’t believe it when you say bad things about me.”

      Good grief. Can you remember when and who those interviewers were? If not, I understand . . . most of the time, I feel like I’m standing in front of a firehose of news. CBK

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      • gitapik's avatar gitapik says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:44 pm

        “ If not, I understand . . . most of the time, I feel like I’m standing in front of a firehose of news. CBK”

        A perfect description.

        Well…this is interesting. Here’s the reporting about the interview:

        https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/05/22/trump-told-lesley-stahl-he-bashes-press-to-discredit-negative-stories.html

        But they’re saying that it was off camera. Which either means that the relentless firehose sent half my brain to Pluto or they aired it at first (I can still see that clip clear as day in my mind) and were then told to quash the footage for legal reasons.

        I’ve got a pretty good imagination…so maybe I filled in the blanks with my version of his saying that. But I don’t think so. Regardless; theres’s no doubt in my mind about the “why” in Mr Duck’s methods.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 3:38 pm

        gitapik It seems to me something you would remember as a “red flag” moment, and wouldn’t forget. Besides that, it fits Trump’s pattern exactly which means, if we do not know it, it does nothing to surprise. CBK

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    • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
      June 11, 2023 at 1:14 pm

      The Trump base believes the indictment is purely political and without merit. Of course they won’t read the indictment.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 1:17 pm

        Diane No, they won’t read it precisely because they already believe it’s “fake.” CBK

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 9:12 am

        The indictment is without Merrick.

        But not without Smith.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 10:02 am

        Trump Indictment is Merrickless

        Indictment of Don
        Is Merrickless, yes
        But actions of John
        Are true, I confess

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  16. gitapik's avatar gitapik says:
    June 11, 2023 at 12:48 pm

    Cannon will have to recuse herself. If she doesn’t, the 11th circuit will. She crossed the line with the “Special Master” stall tactic of the Mar-a-Lago investigation. Total conflict of interest. I’ll be shocked if she stays on as the judge in this case.

    Excellent point about moving to the Washington jurisdiction of the Insurrection if she somehow is able to stay on the case. Hold your horses, Fani Willis.

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    • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
      June 11, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      There’s actually logic to having the trial in Miami and having Judge Cannon. The evidence is overwhelming. If she rules against Trump, he can’t whine that the trial was rigged. If she doesn’t, and favors him, the prosecution can appeal. She was overruled before by the 11th Circuit, by Trump judges.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 1:27 pm

        Diane I heard on one of the programs that the venue (in this case, Florida) is a prescribed-rule thing . . . the venue is chosen because of where the crime was actually committed and can be thrown out of court if the protocol is not served. So it’s either/or/both Florida and D.C.

        But your points are correct and well-taken . . . isn’t it amazing how twisted everything is where Trump is concerned. When else would we even wonder about such things. CBK

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      • dianeravitch's avatar dianeravitch says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:29 pm

        If it were DC, Trump would have a jury pool in a city that votes 90% Democratic. I think Jack Smith could have charged him in either city but considered the optics.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:50 pm

        Deeply worried here that this will be tried in her court. So discouraging.

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      • FLERP!'s avatar FLERP! says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:51 pm

        The prosecution can’t appeal if Trump is acquitted, Diane.

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      • gitapik's avatar gitapik says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:51 pm

        “ If it were DC, Trump would have a jury pool in a city that votes 90% Democratic. I think Jack Smith could have charged him in either city but considered the optics”

        Good point. Optics are a serious consideration.

        He could connect Trump to the boxes originating in DC and being moved at his direction . But he couldn’t tie Nauta to that, as well. Legally, he needs to be tried in Florida.

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      • gitapik's avatar gitapik says:
        June 11, 2023 at 2:56 pm

        Cannon can be recused for her previous illegal interference and rulings. Either voluntarily or by the 11th circuit Court of Appeals (they were the ones who removed her from the case in the first place).

        But the optics are a consideration, as Diane said. Trump and his base will jump on a recusal as proof of THE DEEP STATE in a second.

        Can’t make this stuff up. Unreal.

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      • Catherine Blanche King's avatar Catherine Blanche King says:
        June 11, 2023 at 3:45 pm

        gitapik Let them “jump” if the judge recuses herself. In the law especially, such talk is fear based and becomes a set of intimidation tactics. That’s the beauty, however, of having such protocols . . . they are PREscribed. It’s just the way things work and not related specifically to Trump.

        As we speak, however, someone somewhere is writing a book or a manual about how to go about these unprecedented events and activities. If Trump/ism doesn’t kill us, it will make us stronger. CBK

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      • gitapik's avatar gitapik says:
        June 11, 2023 at 3:57 pm

        Right.

        Chapter 1: On the importance of having local and federal law enforcement at the ready in all matters related to the deposing of a would be tyrant.

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      • Bob Shepherd's avatar Bob Shepherd says:
        June 11, 2023 at 4:25 pm

        It is clear that Judge Cannon has in the past leaned so heavily in Trump’s favor that her credibility will be widely called into question, and for this reason, if she does not recuse herself, the 11th Circuit Court should order a reassignment of the case.

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    • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
      June 12, 2023 at 9:28 am

      (judge) “Cannon will have to recuse herself”

      “Recusal” is not part of the canon of Cannon.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 9:34 am

        In other words, there is no recuse for her behavior.

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      • SomeDAM Poet's avatar SomeDAM Poet says:
        June 12, 2023 at 9:36 am

        But we can be pretty sure that she will be the last one to make recuses for it.

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      • SomeDAM's avatar SomeDAM says:
        June 12, 2023 at 9:45 am

        The Canon of Cannon

        The canon
        Of Cannon:
        Defend
        To the end

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