Thank you, Professor Tribe. And I repeat his message: Read the indictment yourself. It’s fascinating. And it’s really damning. Jack Smith is a hero of democracy.
Dr. Laurence Tribe always stops the Earth on its axis……another
“E.F. Hutton Moment” on an amazing nightly program hosted by
Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC.
What would we do without their ethical journalism during these dangerous times in our history?
Remember when “actual NAZIS” were just a couple of occasional kooks with socialization problems and not an existential threat to humanity? Good times. Scratchin’ and survivin’. Hangin’ in and jivin’. Ain’t we lucky we had ’em?
Good times.
U.S. voters did not elect Traitor Trump in 2016. The Electoral College did that. The traitor lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes. In 2020, the traitor lost by about 8,000,000.
The U.S. is the only country in the world with an Electoral College that sometimes lets the loser win.
But I’m not so sure if this will bring any substance in the first place. It draws ramifications on the trustworthiness of national intelligence, which is seriously at stake.
The most breathtaking and abject intelligence failure in history is this: for four years a Russian asset was president of the United States. And the jerk is still waddling around free.
Or the FBI gave a tiny contibution to the presidency of the jackass? Sure, they deserve blame. I still don’t understand why Democrats are willing to support them. They have a long history of political intervention, spying citizens, manufacturing political narratives by serving for both Democrats and Republicans. Many of those outcomes aren’t really good, in my opinion.
Speaking of the jackass clown, he’s actually the one responsible for worsening US diplomatic relationship with Russia. He did further damage to their interests for sure.
Or the FBI gave a tiny contibution to the presidency of the jackass?
If the suggestion is that the FBI planted the classified documents, this is extremely wild and unwarranted speculation that is belied by Trump’s own admission, on tape, that he had classified documents, as well as by reports from others who witnessed the documents that Trump was hiding.
Trump carried water for Putin throughout his administration. He requested that Russia hack the electronic correspondence of his opponent, and Russia complied. He brazenly did this in public. He denied the findings of his own intelligence agencies and of the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia had spent enormous intelligence resources to get him elected. He met in private with Putin and emerged to tell the world that he believed his pal not to have anything to do with election interference in the US. He constantly ran down our NATO allies, told aides that he wanted the US out of NATO, and generally alienated all our allies. He withheld military aid to Ukraine. He unilaterally pulled US troops from northern Syria, leaving it to the Russians and to Assad (and thereby ensuring the deaths of soldiers among our allies, the Kurds), an action so egregious that his own Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, resigned as a result. Trump unilaterally pulled us out of both the INF and the Open Skies Treaties at the very time when Russia was fielding a new generation of hypersonic nuclear missiles. He unilaterally dramatically reduced US troop strength in Germany, a key component of our NATO force. He met with the Russian ambassador int he Oval Office and gave him sensitive intelligence information. In other words, he gave his pal Putin everything the bloody little Chekist could want. He most certainly did NOT work to worsen things with Putin’s despicable regime. That’s ridiculous. Trump was and is Putin’s dog.
And that’s only the beginning. Who knows how much more this Russian asset compromised our national defense and security during his maladministration. It would not surprise me at all if he ended up fleeing to Russia like that other traitor to his country, Edward Lee Howard.
He most certainly did NOT work to worsen things with Putin’s despicable regime.
I’m sorry, I respectfully disagree.
It was Trump who withdrew INF treaty between US and Russia since 1987.
He accused Germany of making a deal with Russia on natural gas, and shut off Nordstream 2.
It was his administration who decided to send Ukraine $47 million worth of lethal weapons in 2018 (Obame didn’t.) Despite his change of mind to briefly halt the aid in fall 2019, he ended up sending weapons to arm their Neo-Nazis.
I don’t think he would make these horrible decisions if he really was (is) Putin’s boy — like US mainstream media protrays.
Trump withdrew from the INF and from Open Skies, which allowed for mutual verification via fly overs, AT THE VERY TIME WHEN RUSSIA WAS FIELDING HYPERSONIC MISSILES.
Trump dithered on Nordstream 2 until it was completed. And only then did he give in to pressure from US Senators to send Germany a letter requesting that it be shut down.
Trump infamously withheld arms to Ukraine.
Sure, Ukraine is run by a Nazi. Who is Jewish. Whose father’s three brothers all died fighting the–wait for it–Nazis.
James Have you read the indictment? None of the others did those things. If you are implying what your own innuendo implies, . . . that there is no big deal, and no difference between Trump and what these others did about classified documents, you either are not paying attention, or you have a “block” sitting between the facts and your thinker. CBK
To Smith’s great credit, the indictment is one readable, easily understood narrative. You don’t have to be a lawyer to comprehend the gravity of the situation. That’s why they don’t want to read it. Much easier to keep mischaracterizing.
GregB We know it’s The Cult of Stupid Americans when it doesn’t matter that even Trump’s own words about Hillary condemn what he has done with the documents. CBK
Tribe expresses concerns about a particular Trump appointed judge, but what he should worry most about is the Supreme Court headed populated with Trump appointments and headed by his student John Roberts.
There is zero chance that they are ever going to let a conviction stand.
Roberts and the other members of the majority are undoubtedly already combing through the indictments to cobble together “legal” arguments that will allow them to declare them unConstitutional.
The materials treated so sloppily by The Orange Idiot included nuclear secrets of the US and its allies and operational plans for possible military action. As presidential historian Michael Beschloss says in the clip that I posted above, what if some vile, traitorous moron like Trump had been president during the lead-up to D-Day and the Nazis had known precisely where we were going to land and with what? The cost to the US and to the free world generally in blood and otherwise would have been incalculable. Or imagine our enemies learning our intelligence methods and technologies from such documents and using this information to uncover and kill our covert agents. This is not a GAME. What Trump did is AS SERIOUS AS IT GETS. He should be treated precisely as the likes of Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were because what he did was as bad or worse.
As for the “what-about-ism” that Trump and so many elected Republicans instantly invoked, someone named Emery writes:
Before any right wingers start up with their “but other people had documents” nonsense, allow me to point out the distinctions:
Pence: “I have classified documents. My bad! The FBI can come and get them.”
Biden: “I have classified documents. My bad! The FBI can come and get them.”
Trump: “I don’t have any documents at all, and I never did, except for the ones that I do, which I don’t. And what I have is my property, so the DOJ committed a crime by taking them back, even though I didn’t have them. I’m the victim here, because now they’re telling everyone what I had, even though I didn’t. And keeping classified and top secret documents isn’t illegal, even if it’s against the law. I didn’t do all of the things I did.”
Exactly. And Trump keeps talking about how “Biden has 1,850 boxes.” These are Biden’s papers from his Senate career that were donated to the University of Delaware. So, not classified national security and defense documents available only to a select few, including the president. But ofc Trump keeps repeating what he knows to be a lie. It’s how he responds to stuff. And now his pal is going to be the presiding judge in his trial. Does the Teflon Don II slide again?
Flerp, I would be really, really surprised if Russian asset Donald J. Trump has not sold or traded for favors our country’s national secrets. He is as vile as they come. A criminal through and through. And he’s been Putin’s dog for a long, long, long time.
“At this point, no one knows why Trump stubbornly held on to classified documents, refused to turn them over, hid them, pretended he didn’t have any.”
My boxes. My precious. No one. No one looks in my boxes. Precious boxes. People call me. They say, Sir, what’s in your boxes? Wouldn’t you like to know? Mine. All mine. My boxes. The most beautiful boxes. You wanna talk big league? Mr. President’s precious. More boxes, more votes than any sitting president. Secrets. the most secret secrets. Mine. My precious. . . .
That was renowned scholar and former ESPN personality Keith Olbermann, I believe.
What Trump alleged to have done is terrible, but he hasn’t alleged it have engaged in espionage, and the penalties for his alleged crime do not include execution.
“Flerp, I would be really, really surprised if Russian asset Donald J. Trump has not sold or traded for favors our country’s national secrets.”
Bob, I would be surprised, although probably not stunned. But in any event, there’s a difference between what would not surprise us and what’s alleged in the indictment.
At this point, no one knows why Trump stubbornly held on to classified documents, refused to turn them over, hid them, pretended he didn’t have any. Why? No one knows. Was it vanity or greed?
FLERP What is in the indictment just skims the surface. That’s the difference between the indictment and what would not surprise us (from being quite aware of the pattern). CBK
Did Mohammed bin Hacksaw pay 2 billion dollars for information from Don the Con on US contingency plans for invading Iraq? Enquiring minds want to know.
This goes far, far, far beyond Trump and his trial, Flerp. In what ways and to what extent have our national security and defense been compromised by Trump, either deliberately, because he was peddling information, or inadvertently, because he left it sitting in freaking bathrooms and ballrooms in a freaking beach club? Our intelligence and defense services are going to have to parse this. It’s a disaster. Who now know what that should be secret, and what are the consequences of that? Big questions.
INTENTIONALLY retaining classified documents and UNINTENTIONALLY retaining them.
There is no question that Trump INTENTIONALLY retained them. And INTENTIONALLY showed them to others.
When you have unimpeachable evidence that someone INTENTIONALLY hit someone with their car, their motives don’t matter. Their crime does. And they don’t get to invoke all the people who accidentally hit someone and have their apologists whine that it is unfair that someone who INTENTIONALLY hit someone with a car gets prosecuted.
Trump’s motives don’t matter, except we can all be 100% certain that he committed the crime for self-serving reasons.
“was it to curry favor with persons . . . overseas?”
–Ex CIA Director Brennan, speculating on reasons why Don the Con might have gone to such extreme lengths to hide his possession of extraordinarily sensitive, top secret documents
Given how unsecured all these highly sensitive documents were for how long, it would be highly unlikely that foreign intelligence services didn’t lay their hands on them. All they would have had to do is to waltz into a bathroom or a ballroom or to pay someone to do that.
So, how much damage did this traitor to his country, Trump, do? That’s ONE of the really big questions here. Who knows what, now, that they shouldn’t know, and how deep does the damage go?
ALSO, given how damning this indictment is, WHY, WHY, WHY have search warrants not been executed at every other Trump property, as well as at the properties of those closest to him?
Those were already thoroughly searched to gather up and dispose of any photographs or video evidence of wrongdoing by anyone rich and powerful, SomeDAM.
gitapik You wrote: About a year into his presidency, a couple of television interviewers asked Trump, “Why do you call us “fake news” when you know we’re not?”, His reply: “So that people won’t believe it when you say bad things about me.”
Good grief. Can you remember when and who those interviewers were? If not, I understand . . . most of the time, I feel like I’m standing in front of a firehose of news. CBK
But they’re saying that it was off camera. Which either means that the relentless firehose sent half my brain to Pluto or they aired it at first (I can still see that clip clear as day in my mind) and were then told to quash the footage for legal reasons.
I’ve got a pretty good imagination…so maybe I filled in the blanks with my version of his saying that. But I don’t think so. Regardless; theres’s no doubt in my mind about the “why” in Mr Duck’s methods.
gitapik It seems to me something you would remember as a “red flag” moment, and wouldn’t forget. Besides that, it fits Trump’s pattern exactly which means, if we do not know it, it does nothing to surprise. CBK
Cannon will have to recuse herself. If she doesn’t, the 11th circuit will. She crossed the line with the “Special Master” stall tactic of the Mar-a-Lago investigation. Total conflict of interest. I’ll be shocked if she stays on as the judge in this case.
Excellent point about moving to the Washington jurisdiction of the Insurrection if she somehow is able to stay on the case. Hold your horses, Fani Willis.
There’s actually logic to having the trial in Miami and having Judge Cannon. The evidence is overwhelming. If she rules against Trump, he can’t whine that the trial was rigged. If she doesn’t, and favors him, the prosecution can appeal. She was overruled before by the 11th Circuit, by Trump judges.
Diane I heard on one of the programs that the venue (in this case, Florida) is a prescribed-rule thing . . . the venue is chosen because of where the crime was actually committed and can be thrown out of court if the protocol is not served. So it’s either/or/both Florida and D.C.
But your points are correct and well-taken . . . isn’t it amazing how twisted everything is where Trump is concerned. When else would we even wonder about such things. CBK
If it were DC, Trump would have a jury pool in a city that votes 90% Democratic. I think Jack Smith could have charged him in either city but considered the optics.
“ If it were DC, Trump would have a jury pool in a city that votes 90% Democratic. I think Jack Smith could have charged him in either city but considered the optics”
Good point. Optics are a serious consideration.
He could connect Trump to the boxes originating in DC and being moved at his direction . But he couldn’t tie Nauta to that, as well. Legally, he needs to be tried in Florida.
Cannon can be recused for her previous illegal interference and rulings. Either voluntarily or by the 11th circuit Court of Appeals (they were the ones who removed her from the case in the first place).
But the optics are a consideration, as Diane said. Trump and his base will jump on a recusal as proof of THE DEEP STATE in a second.
gitapik Let them “jump” if the judge recuses herself. In the law especially, such talk is fear based and becomes a set of intimidation tactics. That’s the beauty, however, of having such protocols . . . they are PREscribed. It’s just the way things work and not related specifically to Trump.
As we speak, however, someone somewhere is writing a book or a manual about how to go about these unprecedented events and activities. If Trump/ism doesn’t kill us, it will make us stronger. CBK
It is clear that Judge Cannon has in the past leaned so heavily in Trump’s favor that her credibility will be widely called into question, and for this reason, if she does not recuse herself, the 11th Circuit Court should order a reassignment of the case.
Diane: So glad to see this getting around. I refer to Tribe as “Dr. Constitution.” CBK
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Thank you, Professor Tribe. And I repeat his message: Read the indictment yourself. It’s fascinating. And it’s really damning. Jack Smith is a hero of democracy.
Click to access trump-indictment.pdf
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Here is another good summary and way to think about it:
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http://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-countdown-with-keith-olbe-99705496/episode/i-am-only-sorry-trumps-is-116975376
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That’s a stunning statement comparing Trump to the Rosenberg.
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yup
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Dr. Laurence Tribe always stops the Earth on its axis……another
“E.F. Hutton Moment” on an amazing nightly program hosted by
Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC.
What would we do without their ethical journalism during these dangerous times in our history?
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Meanwhile, actual NAZIS with DeSantis signs outside Disney World in Florida:
hhttps://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1667589406511988742/photo/1
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https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1667589406511988742/photo/1
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Remember when “actual NAZIS” were just a couple of occasional kooks with socialization problems and not an existential threat to humanity? Good times. Scratchin’ and survivin’. Hangin’ in and jivin’. Ain’t we lucky we had ’em?
Good times.
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the current version of the Republican Party, aka, Nazis
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U.S. voters did not elect Traitor Trump in 2016. The Electoral College did that. The traitor lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes. In 2020, the traitor lost by about 8,000,000.
The U.S. is the only country in the world with an Electoral College that sometimes lets the loser win.
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The Electoral College is an obscenity.
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You know it when you see it… on ElectoralHub
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An Electoral College degree has never been what it was cracked up to be.
Although it does look impressive hanging on my wall in that gold frame.
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“I’m an innocent man. I did nothing wrong.” –Don the Con Trump
“People gotta know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook.” –Tricky Dicky Nixon
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The man is a total jackass. No doubt about it.
But I’m not so sure if this will bring any substance in the first place. It draws ramifications on the trustworthiness of national intelligence, which is seriously at stake.
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The most breathtaking and abject intelligence failure in history is this: for four years a Russian asset was president of the United States. And the jerk is still waddling around free.
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Or the FBI gave a tiny contibution to the presidency of the jackass? Sure, they deserve blame. I still don’t understand why Democrats are willing to support them. They have a long history of political intervention, spying citizens, manufacturing political narratives by serving for both Democrats and Republicans. Many of those outcomes aren’t really good, in my opinion.
Speaking of the jackass clown, he’s actually the one responsible for worsening US diplomatic relationship with Russia. He did further damage to their interests for sure.
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Or the FBI gave a tiny contibution to the presidency of the jackass?
If the suggestion is that the FBI planted the classified documents, this is extremely wild and unwarranted speculation that is belied by Trump’s own admission, on tape, that he had classified documents, as well as by reports from others who witnessed the documents that Trump was hiding.
Trump carried water for Putin throughout his administration. He requested that Russia hack the electronic correspondence of his opponent, and Russia complied. He brazenly did this in public. He denied the findings of his own intelligence agencies and of the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia had spent enormous intelligence resources to get him elected. He met in private with Putin and emerged to tell the world that he believed his pal not to have anything to do with election interference in the US. He constantly ran down our NATO allies, told aides that he wanted the US out of NATO, and generally alienated all our allies. He withheld military aid to Ukraine. He unilaterally pulled US troops from northern Syria, leaving it to the Russians and to Assad (and thereby ensuring the deaths of soldiers among our allies, the Kurds), an action so egregious that his own Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, resigned as a result. Trump unilaterally pulled us out of both the INF and the Open Skies Treaties at the very time when Russia was fielding a new generation of hypersonic nuclear missiles. He unilaterally dramatically reduced US troop strength in Germany, a key component of our NATO force. He met with the Russian ambassador int he Oval Office and gave him sensitive intelligence information. In other words, he gave his pal Putin everything the bloody little Chekist could want. He most certainly did NOT work to worsen things with Putin’s despicable regime. That’s ridiculous. Trump was and is Putin’s dog.
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And that’s only the beginning. Who knows how much more this Russian asset compromised our national defense and security during his maladministration. It would not surprise me at all if he ended up fleeing to Russia like that other traitor to his country, Edward Lee Howard.
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I’m sorry, I respectfully disagree.
It was Trump who withdrew INF treaty between US and Russia since 1987.
He accused Germany of making a deal with Russia on natural gas, and shut off Nordstream 2.
It was his administration who decided to send Ukraine $47 million worth of lethal weapons in 2018 (Obame didn’t.) Despite his change of mind to briefly halt the aid in fall 2019, he ended up sending weapons to arm their Neo-Nazis.
I don’t think he would make these horrible decisions if he really was (is) Putin’s boy — like US mainstream media protrays.
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Trump withdrew from the INF and from Open Skies, which allowed for mutual verification via fly overs, AT THE VERY TIME WHEN RUSSIA WAS FIELDING HYPERSONIC MISSILES.
Trump dithered on Nordstream 2 until it was completed. And only then did he give in to pressure from US Senators to send Germany a letter requesting that it be shut down.
Trump infamously withheld arms to Ukraine.
Sure, Ukraine is run by a Nazi. Who is Jewish. Whose father’s three brothers all died fighting the–wait for it–Nazis.
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Millions of Americans are so ignorant and stupid that they just don’t get why the Trump handling of classified documents was a problem?
It’s getting embarrassing to be an American.
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General Patraeus. Sandy Berger. Hillary Clinton. Now, Donald Trump. There are a lot of classified documents to keep track of!
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James,
You must admit: Trump beats all the rest of them by sheer quantity. And by his effort to hide them. In a bathroom, in a ballroom, in a bedroom at MAL.
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Clueless: “It happened in the bathroom with Donald Trump and the Top Secret Document”
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By sheer quantity and by the sensitivity of the documents involved.
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“So many classified documents. So little time to read them” —Donald Trump
If Trump had had ChatGPT read and summarize the documents, he could have returned them to Dick Cheney and avoided a lot of headache.
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James Have you read the indictment? None of the others did those things. If you are implying what your own innuendo implies, . . . that there is no big deal, and no difference between Trump and what these others did about classified documents, you either are not paying attention, or you have a “block” sitting between the facts and your thinker. CBK
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To Smith’s great credit, the indictment is one readable, easily understood narrative. You don’t have to be a lawyer to comprehend the gravity of the situation. That’s why they don’t want to read it. Much easier to keep mischaracterizing.
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GregB We know it’s The Cult of Stupid Americans when it doesn’t matter that even Trump’s own words about Hillary condemn what he has done with the documents. CBK
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Much easier to keep mischaracterizing.
Exactly
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Mischaracters mischaracterizing?
What a surprise.
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As surprising as malefactors malefacting (making up false “ facts”)
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Tribe expresses concerns about a particular Trump appointed judge, but what he should worry most about is the Supreme Court headed populated with Trump appointments and headed by his student John Roberts.
There is zero chance that they are ever going to let a conviction stand.
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Roberts and the other members of the majority are undoubtedly already combing through the indictments to cobble together “legal” arguments that will allow them to declare them unConstitutional.
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Hey! Good to have you back around here.
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Even my very brief notes are going to moderation. CBK
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It’s your turn. It’s been mine occasionally too. Might be the Gremlins!
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GregB Thanks. See my note to Bob and think Rod Serling. CBK
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My snarky reply just went into moderation! 😂
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This happens, CBK. WordPress is weird.
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Bob . . . do do do do, do do do do. CBK
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Haaaa!!!
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That’s a lot of doo-doo.
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GregB Yes, but it’s a moderated kind of do-do. CBK
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-indictment-seems-to-show-he-learned-nothing-from-nixon/vi-AA1cmp3e?ocid=msedgntp
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The materials treated so sloppily by The Orange Idiot included nuclear secrets of the US and its allies and operational plans for possible military action. As presidential historian Michael Beschloss says in the clip that I posted above, what if some vile, traitorous moron like Trump had been president during the lead-up to D-Day and the Nazis had known precisely where we were going to land and with what? The cost to the US and to the free world generally in blood and otherwise would have been incalculable. Or imagine our enemies learning our intelligence methods and technologies from such documents and using this information to uncover and kill our covert agents. This is not a GAME. What Trump did is AS SERIOUS AS IT GETS. He should be treated precisely as the likes of Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were because what he did was as bad or worse.
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One of the blogs—I forget which-/said Trump should get the same treatment as the Rosenbergs. What he did was as bad if not worse.
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The piece from Oberman that Greg B posted
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This is from Andrew Tobias’ blog:
As for the “what-about-ism” that Trump and so many elected Republicans instantly invoked, someone named Emery writes:
Before any right wingers start up with their “but other people had documents” nonsense, allow me to point out the distinctions:
Pence: “I have classified documents. My bad! The FBI can come and get them.”
Biden: “I have classified documents. My bad! The FBI can come and get them.”
Trump: “I don’t have any documents at all, and I never did, except for the ones that I do, which I don’t. And what I have is my property, so the DOJ committed a crime by taking them back, even though I didn’t have them. I’m the victim here, because now they’re telling everyone what I had, even though I didn’t. And keeping classified and top secret documents isn’t illegal, even if it’s against the law. I didn’t do all of the things I did.”
So, the situations aren’t identical.
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Exactly. And Trump keeps talking about how “Biden has 1,850 boxes.” These are Biden’s papers from his Senate career that were donated to the University of Delaware. So, not classified national security and defense documents available only to a select few, including the president. But ofc Trump keeps repeating what he knows to be a lie. It’s how he responds to stuff. And now his pal is going to be the presiding judge in his trial. Does the Teflon Don II slide again?
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Flerp, I would be really, really surprised if Russian asset Donald J. Trump has not sold or traded for favors our country’s national secrets. He is as vile as they come. A criminal through and through. And he’s been Putin’s dog for a long, long, long time.
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“At this point, no one knows why Trump stubbornly held on to classified documents, refused to turn them over, hid them, pretended he didn’t have any.”
My boxes. My precious. No one. No one looks in my boxes. Precious boxes. People call me. They say, Sir, what’s in your boxes? Wouldn’t you like to know? Mine. All mine. My boxes. The most beautiful boxes. You wanna talk big league? Mr. President’s precious. More boxes, more votes than any sitting president. Secrets. the most secret secrets. Mine. My precious. . . .
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That was renowned scholar and former ESPN personality Keith Olbermann, I believe.
What Trump alleged to have done is terrible, but he hasn’t alleged it have engaged in espionage, and the penalties for his alleged crime do not include execution.
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“Flerp, I would be really, really surprised if Russian asset Donald J. Trump has not sold or traded for favors our country’s national secrets.”
Bob, I would be surprised, although probably not stunned. But in any event, there’s a difference between what would not surprise us and what’s alleged in the indictment.
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At this point, no one knows why Trump stubbornly held on to classified documents, refused to turn them over, hid them, pretended he didn’t have any. Why? No one knows. Was it vanity or greed?
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FLERP What is in the indictment just skims the surface. That’s the difference between the indictment and what would not surprise us (from being quite aware of the pattern). CBK
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Did Mohammed bin Hacksaw pay 2 billion dollars for information from Don the Con on US contingency plans for invading Iraq? Enquiring minds want to know.
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cx: Iran
oops
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How cushy to be Kushner.
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The indictment is all that matters. We’re out of investigation mode and into prosecution mode.
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This goes far, far, far beyond Trump and his trial, Flerp. In what ways and to what extent have our national security and defense been compromised by Trump, either deliberately, because he was peddling information, or inadvertently, because he left it sitting in freaking bathrooms and ballrooms in a freaking beach club? Our intelligence and defense services are going to have to parse this. It’s a disaster. Who now know what that should be secret, and what are the consequences of that? Big questions.
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INTENTIONALLY retaining classified documents and UNINTENTIONALLY retaining them.
There is no question that Trump INTENTIONALLY retained them. And INTENTIONALLY showed them to others.
When you have unimpeachable evidence that someone INTENTIONALLY hit someone with their car, their motives don’t matter. Their crime does. And they don’t get to invoke all the people who accidentally hit someone and have their apologists whine that it is unfair that someone who INTENTIONALLY hit someone with a car gets prosecuted.
Trump’s motives don’t matter, except we can all be 100% certain that he committed the crime for self-serving reasons.
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“was it to curry favor with persons . . . overseas?”
–Ex CIA Director Brennan, speculating on reasons why Don the Con might have gone to such extreme lengths to hide his possession of extraordinarily sensitive, top secret documents
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Given how unsecured all these highly sensitive documents were for how long, it would be highly unlikely that foreign intelligence services didn’t lay their hands on them. All they would have had to do is to waltz into a bathroom or a ballroom or to pay someone to do that.
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So, how much damage did this traitor to his country, Trump, do? That’s ONE of the really big questions here. Who knows what, now, that they shouldn’t know, and how deep does the damage go?
ALSO, given how damning this indictment is, WHY, WHY, WHY have search warrants not been executed at every other Trump property, as well as at the properties of those closest to him?
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If that doesn’t happen, it sounds like malfeasance to me. Should have been done before the indictment came down.
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Why haven’t Trump search warrants been executed for Jeffrey Epstein’s bedrooms and saunas at his residences and pedophisland?
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Those were already thoroughly searched to gather up and dispose of any photographs or video evidence of wrongdoing by anyone rich and powerful, SomeDAM.
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About a year into his presidency, a couple of television interviewers asked Trump, “Why do you call us “fake news” when you know we’re not?”,
His reply:
“So that people won’t believe it when you say bad things about me”.
Straight out. I actually saw the clip of him saying that.
This is what we’re up against. He’s brainwashed his base. The hardcores will just see this as upping the ante.
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gitapik You wrote: About a year into his presidency, a couple of television interviewers asked Trump, “Why do you call us “fake news” when you know we’re not?”, His reply: “So that people won’t believe it when you say bad things about me.”
Good grief. Can you remember when and who those interviewers were? If not, I understand . . . most of the time, I feel like I’m standing in front of a firehose of news. CBK
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“ If not, I understand . . . most of the time, I feel like I’m standing in front of a firehose of news. CBK”
A perfect description.
Well…this is interesting. Here’s the reporting about the interview:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/05/22/trump-told-lesley-stahl-he-bashes-press-to-discredit-negative-stories.html
But they’re saying that it was off camera. Which either means that the relentless firehose sent half my brain to Pluto or they aired it at first (I can still see that clip clear as day in my mind) and were then told to quash the footage for legal reasons.
I’ve got a pretty good imagination…so maybe I filled in the blanks with my version of his saying that. But I don’t think so. Regardless; theres’s no doubt in my mind about the “why” in Mr Duck’s methods.
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gitapik It seems to me something you would remember as a “red flag” moment, and wouldn’t forget. Besides that, it fits Trump’s pattern exactly which means, if we do not know it, it does nothing to surprise. CBK
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The Trump base believes the indictment is purely political and without merit. Of course they won’t read the indictment.
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Diane No, they won’t read it precisely because they already believe it’s “fake.” CBK
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The indictment is without Merrick.
But not without Smith.
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Trump Indictment is Merrickless
Indictment of Don
Is Merrickless, yes
But actions of John
Are true, I confess
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Cannon will have to recuse herself. If she doesn’t, the 11th circuit will. She crossed the line with the “Special Master” stall tactic of the Mar-a-Lago investigation. Total conflict of interest. I’ll be shocked if she stays on as the judge in this case.
Excellent point about moving to the Washington jurisdiction of the Insurrection if she somehow is able to stay on the case. Hold your horses, Fani Willis.
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There’s actually logic to having the trial in Miami and having Judge Cannon. The evidence is overwhelming. If she rules against Trump, he can’t whine that the trial was rigged. If she doesn’t, and favors him, the prosecution can appeal. She was overruled before by the 11th Circuit, by Trump judges.
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Diane I heard on one of the programs that the venue (in this case, Florida) is a prescribed-rule thing . . . the venue is chosen because of where the crime was actually committed and can be thrown out of court if the protocol is not served. So it’s either/or/both Florida and D.C.
But your points are correct and well-taken . . . isn’t it amazing how twisted everything is where Trump is concerned. When else would we even wonder about such things. CBK
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If it were DC, Trump would have a jury pool in a city that votes 90% Democratic. I think Jack Smith could have charged him in either city but considered the optics.
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Deeply worried here that this will be tried in her court. So discouraging.
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The prosecution can’t appeal if Trump is acquitted, Diane.
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“ If it were DC, Trump would have a jury pool in a city that votes 90% Democratic. I think Jack Smith could have charged him in either city but considered the optics”
Good point. Optics are a serious consideration.
He could connect Trump to the boxes originating in DC and being moved at his direction . But he couldn’t tie Nauta to that, as well. Legally, he needs to be tried in Florida.
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Cannon can be recused for her previous illegal interference and rulings. Either voluntarily or by the 11th circuit Court of Appeals (they were the ones who removed her from the case in the first place).
But the optics are a consideration, as Diane said. Trump and his base will jump on a recusal as proof of THE DEEP STATE in a second.
Can’t make this stuff up. Unreal.
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gitapik Let them “jump” if the judge recuses herself. In the law especially, such talk is fear based and becomes a set of intimidation tactics. That’s the beauty, however, of having such protocols . . . they are PREscribed. It’s just the way things work and not related specifically to Trump.
As we speak, however, someone somewhere is writing a book or a manual about how to go about these unprecedented events and activities. If Trump/ism doesn’t kill us, it will make us stronger. CBK
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Right.
Chapter 1: On the importance of having local and federal law enforcement at the ready in all matters related to the deposing of a would be tyrant.
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It is clear that Judge Cannon has in the past leaned so heavily in Trump’s favor that her credibility will be widely called into question, and for this reason, if she does not recuse herself, the 11th Circuit Court should order a reassignment of the case.
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(judge) “Cannon will have to recuse herself”
“Recusal” is not part of the canon of Cannon.
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In other words, there is no recuse for her behavior.
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But we can be pretty sure that she will be the last one to make recuses for it.
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The Canon of Cannon
The canon
Of Cannon:
Defend
To the end
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