If you aren’t angry yet about the Trump Tax scam, you should be. This article in the New York Times clearly lays out how it will produce tax savings for private school families while devastating state revenues that now fund public schools. The author, Nat Malkus, is deputy director of education policy at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute. After this tax pla, never again let it be said that Republicans believe in local control and states’ rights. They believe in federal dictation, so long as they are in charge.
He writes:
Congressional Republicans, traditional defenders of states’ rights, will deliver an unexpected one-two punch to state tax systems if the current version of their tax bill becomes law as expected.
The tax plan, negotiated behind closed doors, includes an expansion of 529 savings accounts and the partial elimination of state and local tax deductions. These changes will provide new avenues for people to avoid state income tax that states never envisioned. And those states will have a hard time making up the difference.
The first blow would come from expanding 529 college savings accounts, which offer tax advantages to encourage families to save money for college, to cover K-12 expenses, such as private school tuition and home schooling costs.
This amendment by Senator Ted Cruz passed only because of a midnight tiebreaking vote cast by Vice President Mike Pence. Under current law, earnings on contributions to 529 plans are not subject to federal taxes. These investment vehicles work well for college savings because deposits grow tax-free over a long time. Using 529 accounts for elementary or high school tuition, however, substantially shortens that period, making these accounts a minimal boost to school choice.
While this change would have only a small effect on the federal Treasury, it creates outsize impacts on the state income tax bases in the 33 states that instituted state tax deductions and tax credits to encourage 529 college savings. The federal expansion opens these state incentives to an entirely new area of expenditures, allowing private school families to funnel their tuition payments through 529s as a way to avoid state taxes.
Imagine for instance that a family in New York spends $10,000 on high school tuition but has not yet started saving for college. Congress’s 529 expansion opens New York’s $10,000 state income tax deduction for 529 contributions to private school tuition. This family could now open a 529 savings account, briefly park the $10,000 for private school tuition in it, and avoid about $600 in state income taxes.
That modest $600 for families takes a much bigger cumulative toll on New York’s income tax base. With about 465,000 New York private school students, roughly $3 billion might be cut from New York’s income tax base.
While the federal government limits its benefits to $10,000 in annual distributions per student for K-12 expenses, some states offer much larger state tax deductions, and their tax bases would be affected even more than New York’s will be. Illinois, for instance, allows deductions for $20,000 in contributions a year per beneficiary to 529 plans, while Pennsylvania allows $28,000. Colorado, New Mexico, South Carolina and West Virginia have broader tax loopholes: all 529 contributions are fully deductible, so participants’ entire private school tuition could be free of state tax.
With this law, the Republican Congress would be nullifying the intent of state legislatures by creating tax breaks for private school parents that are paid for by reducing state tax bases that pay, in part, for public schools. States did not choose to create tax-free private school tuitions, Congress did.
Not all states will bear the full brunt of this law. States without income taxes, like Senator Cruz’s home state, Texas, have no state income tax deductions for contributions to 529 plans to interfere with their state taxing sovereignty.
The second blow to state education funding would come from the new federal cap on the deductibility of state and local tax payments. Public schools are primarily funded by state and local taxes, partly by local property taxes, and partly by the state, often through income taxes. When districts are too poor to raise enough property taxes to fund schools, the state contributes funds to even the scales with wealthier districts.
Expanding 529 plans to deliver state deductions to private school families will erode the tax base that funds public schools, affecting high-poverty schools the most. By limiting state and local tax deductions at the same time, Republicans would make it harder for states and cities to raise taxes to make up for those shortfalls.
The easiest fix is to eliminate the 529 expansion, a federal action that transfers state tax dollars from the poor to the rich and which won’t substantively increase school choice for those who do not already have it. Doing so would be a principled stand for the party that professes to protect state sovereignty. Not doing so will affirm the worst caricature of Republicans and education — taking money from the poor to give to the rich.

Totally sick!
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THE GOP’s repugnant tax scam will take money from the poor and give it to the rich!
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How does Ryan live with himself? Does the whole GOP party have no morals?
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Ryan: “My colleagues, this is a day I have looked forward to for a very long time,” he said. “We are about to achieve some big things — things that the cynics have scoffed at for years, decades even.”
“This is real relief for families out there living paycheck to paycheck, struggling to make ends meet,” he later added.
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This is an historically unpopular tax bill that will trigger an automatic $400 billion cut to Medicare and result in 13 million people losing their healthcare.
Paul Ryan has already indicated that this is just the first step in the GOP attack on our earned benefits―turning 2018 into an all-out fight to defend Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
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My Representative Pete Visclosky sent out an email requesting that Hoosiers sign a petition to the Senate against this bill. It was sent to us right after the House voted to accept this tragedy.
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Middle-class families across Indiana — indeed, across the country — need real tax reform that will provide greater equity among taxpayers, encourage productive economic investments, and not increase the national deficit. That’s not what’s in the House GOP’s so-called tax plan.
The GOP’s legislation eliminates the medical expense tax deduction, which helps seniors, the chronically ill, and individuals in long-term care pay for qualified medical expenses.
The GOP’s legislation eliminates the student loan interest deduction, which helps students finance their education.
The GOP legislation allows corporations to deduct expenses to move jobs out of America, but repeals the deduction teachers can use for up to $250 of classroom supplies — things like crayons, paper, and calculators — that they pay for out of their own pockets.
Finally, the GOP legislation reduces federal tax deductions for certain state and local taxes you pay. The GOP wants Hoosiers to pay federal taxes on your money that went straight to local and state
governments. It is unfair to double tax hard-working Hoosier families and decrease opportunities for state and local entities to make economic investments in our communities.
Middle-class families deserve a tax plan that makes it easier to afford for the treatment they need, to provide for their children’s education, to invest in their communities, and to raise their income. This bill makes all those things harder.
Add your name: We deserve better than this tax plan!
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What do we gain in exchange for repealing all those middle-class deductions?
This plan adds $1.7 trillion addition to our national deficit. $1.7 trillion! That means today’s children and their children’s children will have to pay to finance this new debt.
While our teachers can no longer deduct the crayons they buy for our children, multi-billion-dollar corporations keep deductions they use to relocate American jobs overseas.
Now, here’s the real kicker: while businesses can continue to deduct state and local taxes they pay, hard working Hoosier families will not, and as a result, they will get a smaller paycheck.
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Ryan is an acolyte of rabid Social Darwinist Ayn Rand.
Everything else follows from that fact.
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I don’t know much about the man except that he received benefits as a child after his father passed away? I wonder if Paulie thinks his Momma would be proud of his accomplishments?
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Hypocrisy is actually a defining characteristic of Ayn Rand and her followers.
Despite her lifelong railing against “government handouts”, calling those who accept it “parasites”, like Ryan, she was a beneficiary of social welfare under her real name, Ann O’connor, specifically, Social Security and Medicare (as was her husband, Frank O’Connor)
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This is such a devastating day and right before Christmas. I haven’t seen one redeeming quality to this bill. How is it that every single Republican is bought out by big money? Every day since Trump has been in office, something meaningful that we have worked so hard to accomplish has been reversed. I will never understand how people who have so much are so intent on hurting others who have less than them. We absolutely need to work hard to win back the Senate and the House and get rid of this person in the White House who hurts the majority of us on a daily basis.
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Diane and Sharon,
As one young lady is “puking” over President Trump I find it interesting that Sharon would like to revert to the previous administration and the strangle hold on our economy. Have yet to understand why the left continues to tell America the bill is totally bad and that they should call their reps in Congress and tell them they do not want any more of their hard earned money back to their pockets.
So I offer the following of the Obama wonder years –
Diane,
Although this blog is a country of “Orange” haters, hoping for collusion of President Trump and the Russkies, and now turning to impeachment dreams, I noticed that the Cassandra story has been avoided here for the past 4 to 5 days as well as the CNN MSNBC outlets etc . Would that be because Obama placed our children in harms way of the Hezbollah mafia, allowed the Hezbollah drug trafficking to continue, child trafficking to continue, all for the sake of giving the Iranians a nuke in a few years?
As one pukes with head in toilet over President Trump because the world is in a chicken little catastrophe with President Trump, here is the hero we lived under for 8 years – tearing down America
I placed the link to the POLITCO story below – 14000 words! Not the usual 700 -800 words – with sources – I guess the lamestream media was getting tired going through the doc. Some clips below, but one can use Services on the Mac to summarize –
“In 2008, the DEA launched ‘Project Cassandra’ to track Hezbollah’s trafficking of drug and weapons, money laundering and other criminal activities, some of which were happening in the U.S. As Project Cassandra carried on, the Obama administration threw a series of roadblocks in its way, Politico reported Sunday. When investigators sought approval for prosecutions, arrests, and financial sanctions, the Justice Department and Treasury Department officials delayed, hindered, or denied their requests, the report said.
“‘This was a policy decision, it was a systematic decision,’ Defense Department illicit finance analyst David Asher said. ‘They serially ripped apart this entire effort that was very well supported and resourced, and it was done from the top down,’” and it was all to make sure the Iran deal didn’t get “derailed.” Now, the Iran deal is Obama’s grand achievement of ensuring that the Iranians will secure nuclear weapons in less than 10 years, if they’re not already on the precipice. In order to not derail that, Obama told his Justice Department and Treasury department to stop pursuing Hezbollah as they’re running cocaine into the U.S. conducting money laundering.
“In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States.”
Why would Obama care about securing a nuclear deal with Iran? – a deep dislike and hatred for Israel on the part of the Obama administration? And the left and lamestream media tell us that this is the greatest administration ever.
I give you the link to 14000 cumbersome worded doc for your perusal – Politico: The Secret Backstory of How Obama Let Hezbollah Off the Hook An
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“would like to revert to the previous administration and the strangle hold on our economy. ”
You need to be more precise: “strangle hold on the billionaire’s economy”. The economy is not ours by any means, and hence it needs to be strangle hold. The truth is, it has been barely controlled by the prev admin, unfortunately.
You need to stop presenting “the big picture” about the economy, because we are not noticeable in it. Less and less trickles down. Trump’s big picture is a mirror, and he sees only himself in it.
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Mate, and CarolMalaysia
I suggest – at least for me, is to wait and see the February outcomes in paychecks.
The Republican tax relief should have helped working families more, but the help it does give is a meaningful improvement over the status quo.
Moreover, the corporate tax-rate reduction is intended to spur additional economic growth that will lead to hiring and wage increases that supplement and improve on the direct economic effects of family tax relief.
No one should exaggerate the effects of tax reform — in either direction. In fact
since yesterday’s bill signing we’ve seen a wave of corporate announcements of bonuses, pay raises, and capital investments that bring direct benefits to hundreds of thousands of families — and that’s just the fruit of one day of policy change.
No one should exaggerate the effects of tax reform — in either direction. It’s not the bill that cures what ails the struggling American family. Economic stagnation and economic insecurity are grounded in political, cultural, and economic factors that are beyond the reach of any single tax bill or any single legislative reform. But legislation can help or hurt, and a bill that allows American families who typically don’t have $1,000 to spare to keep $1,000 more of their own money every year is a bill that’s likely to help, and if a struggling family uses that money wisely, it can even help a lot.
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I think “most” people commenting on this site would like a more “moderate” government. Not too far left OR right. I don’t think anyone is saying that the last eight years under Obama were super great…because they weren’t. I think people are not happy with the rich getting richer, loss of rights, and the thought of nuclear annihilation because the POTUS hasn’t an ounce of tact or political demeanor about him. Only time will tell if the Dems and Reps will put out candidates that are open, transparent and able to play nice with others. We don’t need the see saw effect in our government….we need a lot of balance to keep it even.
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Sadly, I think you’re right that most people commenting on this site don’t want to go to far to the left. More’s the pity. I think it’s because there’s been a deliberate obfuscation of what “left” means.
“Left” means you are opposed to U.S. empire – the invasion, drone bombing, special op-ing, etc. of countries that pose no threat to us. It also means you oppose billions spent on weapons of war that leave thousands if not millions of brown people dead, maimed and bereaved. It also means that you oppose the national security state – warrantless wiretapping and other forms of spying, the fiasco that is TSA, rendition, due-process free detention, police brutality, etc.
“Left” means that you favor substantially increased top marginal tax rate on the rich, closing of loopholes to repatriate money currently in foreign tax havens, strict regulations on Wall Street and their ability to speculate with our money (a re-instatement of Glass-Steagall, for instance). Ideally you support breaking up the big banks and bailing out the American people, not the fat cat bankers.
“Left” also means that you favor strict control over other major corporations. A return of the Fairness Doctrine to rein in the media, for instance. Stronger EPA and labor regulations to protect people from pollution and exploitation.
“Left” means you favor using the savings and increased revenues from many of the former policies and positions to help the people. Universal single-payer healthcare. Fully funded vibrant public education with wrap-around services. Tuition-free higher education. The preservation of open lands through national parks and forests. Building up and strengthening our infrastructure, such as our national highways and bridges, perhaps a national rail system. Protections for the old, young, disabled and otherwise vulnerable – welfare as we used to know it.
I fail to understand why anyone (other than billionaires and big business heads) would oppose any of those things. Yet being “center” means means that all of the above are “pie in the sky” delusions of overgrown adolescents who live in their mommies’ basements and lack a “realistic” understanding of how to “get things done”. “Center” means that we can’t fundamentally change the way things are, all we can do is adapt ourselves to it. Resistance is Futile. There Is No Alternative.
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Dienne: Very well stated.
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jscheidell: Obama certainly had his failings (see Cornel West and Chris Hedges for legitimate criticisms) but look at whom he appointed to the supreme court. He appointed two liberal, well qualified (not far right wing ideologues) justices. He attempted to appoint another non far right wing nut to the SCOTUS but was thwarted by the criminal enterprise known as the GOP.
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Joe,
Talking to the wall. Jscheidell would love to see Trump Control the entire Supreme Court
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Your post is incoherent. Is there a thesis here? Evidence to defend it? Something resembling a legitimate structure of argumentation?
It doesn’t look like it.
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I guess you didn’t want to wander into the Cassandra story, nor wade through POLITICO’s 14000 words on it….that is what was expected by them, I guess
And a major YES to Diane – I would definitely like to see SCOTUS move to right with constitutional renderings which avoid justices making laws. Anything is better than the 9th circuit – the rulings emanating from there are in a lot of cases reversed.
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This is essentially what the Republican tax bill accomplishes for ordinary folks:
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I heard on the news this morning that, along with two other provisions in the bill, the Senate dropped the changes to the 529 plans. That’s why it’s going back to the House for reauthorization.
Definitely a step in the right direction and possibly a bargaining chip that the Republicans figured they’d need to play (?).
Ryan’s basically saying that we, the public, don’t know what’s good for us and, once the changes go into effect, we’ll all be thanking him.
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I thought it was only the provision that allowed 529s to be used for home schooling, and that the provisions allowing use for private K-12 will remain.
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Yes, confirmed, the provision allowing 529s to be used for private K-12 expenses will become law. The homeschool aspect of the provision was much less important — the reason it was excised from the bill is because it was scored as having no impact on the budget, which under Senate rules is apparently a no-no for a budget bill.
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Thanks for the clarification, FLERP!. Not that it brings me any joy.
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Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Education.
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CEOs Aren’t Waiting for the Tax Bill to Pass — They’ve Already Started Pocketing the Windfall…Intercept
U.S. CORPORATIONS ARE already beginning the process of pocketing the winnings from the tax bill jackpot they expect to hit any day now, undercutting, in a remarkably public fashion, the pretense that the corporate tax cut will lead to greater investment in job creation.
Since the Senate passed its version of the tax bill on December 2, 29 companies have announced $70.2 billion in stock buybacks, a maneuver that uses company cash to buy its own shares, which then drives up the price of those shares, rewarding major investors and executives whose compensation is directly tied to the company’s stock price.
The figure comes from a new report by Senate Democrats, which relies on the public statements of company executives…
https://interc.pt/2oG4IIL
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Carol,
I was going to say that we should wait and see the beginning effects of President’s bill in February’s pay checks but I noted the following with these companies and their reactions.
AT&T to give a thousand-dollar bonus to over 200,000 employees.
Boeing, $300 million employee-related investments.
Fifth Third Bank have now offered their employees thousand-dollar bonuses and $15 minimum wage.
Wells Fargo, another bank, $15 minimum wage, donations of $400 million.
Comcast, $1,000 bonus to over 100,000 non executive employees = this includes people that work is NBC and MSNBC, who have spent the past number of weeks trying to destroy the tax cut bill, and now they are going to get a bonus from Comcast.
Now, this is unreal.
There are people, who are trying to cast aspersions on this by pointing out that it’s the result of collusion, that this isn’t real, this isn’t really happening, it’s just because Trump somehow colluded with these companies and did something to make them do this so that he would look good.
Do you remember David Koch of New York who donated $25 million to one of the big hospitals, one of the big cancer hospitals, and the nurse’s union there protested it and demanded the hospital not accept it because David Koch didn’t mean it. He was only giving that $25 million to mask the fact that he’s a racist pig! And so we shouldn’t let him get away with it.
Leftists it is just a phony, slimy PR campaign to make themselves look good when we know they aren’t good, when we know they’re rotgut, when we know they’re sleazy and slimy.
As i read some of the derogatory comments from the Democrat Party have been telling us corporations don’t do this kind of thing ’cause they don’t care.
They don’t care about their customers, and they don’t care about their employees. They only care about profits. They only care about the stock price.
And reading the comments, adjectives etc I find them to be hatred of Trump. Because Trump is incompetent, a pig, a barbarian, is unfit, Trump cheated, because he colluded with the Russians, all of this and more. The attacks seem to center on his personality, looks/hair and behavior rather than his policies –
And yet good, uplifting, positive things continue to happen.
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The Kochs try to buy good will. They do so much damage to our society that they can’t wipe away the stain. Kind of like the blood on Lady MacBeth’s hands.
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Diane,
It amazes me that when offers of 20 some million to help a hospital the nurses union surgically demonstrates stupidity in not taking the money – really – one looks at the gift horse – just becaudse its Koch family?
I thought the left was smarter
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Huh? Refusing to accept money is always a sign of stupidity? How much $ are you willing to accept from Putin or Kim Jong-un?
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Not From those two – but I would lower myself to take Soros money as long as no strings are attached.
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jscheidell: Right. I’m thrilled that Medicare is going to be immediately cut. How much more cuts will be done to seniors who live on a limited income?. Last minute changes to the tax bill will make Trump and Corker much richer. Trump, and all wealthy people, can now deduct the cost of their luxury jets and wealthy businessmen who come to Trump properties can deduct the booze they drink at the bar and the cost of staying in his exclusive resorts.
How much more will be cut from the social networks that help the middle class and the poor? Are we all supposed to feel great that the wealthy continue to get more while we struggle more and more to survive? Income inequality is expanding in the US. This
tax reform’ will make it worse. More Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security cuts are already the stated goal of Ryan who dreams of eliminating these ‘wasteful’ expenditures. Let’s let all seniors and poor people pull themselves up by the boot straps. Gear up donations to the local food bank. Make those lazy people go out and work for a living. The wealthy need all that money and I’m supposed to be grateful that I did my part to contribute.
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Carol,
I remember when Obama was art Chapel Hill. You seemingly are echoing his dire prognostications of death to seniors and poor people on Trump’s first day – first day in office…. He said the day Trump takes office, Medicare checks stop, Medicare or Medicaid? Medicaid will stop day one. Then Trump is going to slow down Pell grants, and then he said Trump, they’ll probably even dig up Michelle’s garden.
At least we won’t get another head of lettuce on the WH Christmas tree
This is Democrat playbook from 60 years ago modified. Republicans are going to kick you out of your home by cutting your Social Security was what every four years they said to elderly people. This is desperation.
According to AARP – The Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which the president signed today, is projected to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit over the next decade. Under the 2010 “pay-as-you-go” law known as PAYGO, that increase to the deficit would have triggered automatic spending cuts to programs, including a $25 billion cut to Medicare in 2018 alone. But in an AARP-supported move, the House and Senate on Thursday waived the required cuts as part of a temporary spending bill to prevent a government shutdown. Thousands of AARP members contacted their legislators, urging them to act before the end of the year and prevent the Medicare cuts.
Preventing the cuts will help preserve seniors’ access to their doctors and hospital services. Medicare covered 56.8 million people last year, including 47.8 million age 65 and older.
Still, even with Congress’ action, Medicare and other programs will continue to face budgetary pressure.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said this week that the Senate is unlikely to tackle Medicare and Social Security in 2018.
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has also ruled out 2018 Medicare cuts. However, Ryan has made reducing the nation’s debt and reining in government spending a priority, and has openly discussed Medicare changes such as premium support.
Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid are among the government’s biggest programs. The government will spend about $700 billion on Medicare this year, a number the Congressional Budget Office projects will increase to nearly $1.4 trillion in 2027.
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Here is what my Representative Pete Visclosky (D-IN) emailed:
Middle-class families across Indiana — indeed, across the country — need real tax reform that will provide greater equity among taxpayers, encourage productive economic investments, and not increase the national deficit. That’s not what’s in the House GOP’s so-called tax plan.
The GOP’s legislation eliminates the medical expense tax deduction, which helps seniors, the chronically ill, and individuals in long-term care pay for qualified medical expenses.
The GOP’s legislation eliminates the student loan interest deduction, which helps students finance their education.
The GOP legislation allows corporations to deduct expenses to move jobs out of America, but repeals the deduction teachers can use for up to $250 of classroom supplies — things like crayons, paper, and calculators — that they pay for out of their own pockets.
Finally, the GOP legislation reduces federal tax deductions for certain state and local taxes you pay. The GOP wants Hoosiers to pay federal taxes on your money that went straight to local and state governments. It is unfair to double tax hard-working Hoosier families and decrease opportunities for state and local entities to make economic investments in our communities.
Middle-class families deserve a tax plan that makes it easier to afford for the treatment they need, to provide for their children’s education, to invest in their communities, and to raise their income. This bill makes all those things harder.
What do we gain in exchange for repealing all those middle-class deductions?
This plan adds $1.7 trillion addition to our national deficit. $1.7 trillion! That means today’s children and their children’s children will have to pay to finance this new debt.
While our teachers can no longer deduct the crayons they buy for our children, multi-billion-dollar corporations keep deductions they use to relocate American jobs overseas.
Now, here’s the real kicker: while businesses can continue to deduct state and local taxes they pay, hard working Hoosier families will not, and as a result, they will get a smaller paycheck.
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“AT&T to give a thousand-dollar bonus to over 200,000 employees.”
That’s a $1K one-time pay which makes absolutely no difference in anybody’s life, and it’s a total of $200 million expense for a company which pays over $60 million to its top 5 executives. So I say, the $200 million is a minuscule effort of AT&T, and it’s a non-noticeable fraction of the gains the company will endure as the result of the new tax laws.
The $200 million looks good only to those who want to believe, the lives of common people will change for the better as the benefits of the new tax order will trickle down to their (ground) level.
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Mate,
Amazing – ask anyone of those individuals how they feel about getting the money, or an increase in pay – I do not think they would be anywhere near your level of negativity. It must be nice to be wealthy enough to turn it down on your part – just because it is Trump.
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jscheidell: It is estimated that tRump will be getting $11 million a year off of this tax ‘reform’. Don’t gloat too hard over $1000 as a great thing. It is not any form of jealousy on my part. It is recognition of out and out greed by those who do not need more. After all this tax reform is being done to enrich the middle class.
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Make America Greedy Again!
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Diane,
The Tax Foundation estimates that Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will “increase the long-run size of the U.S. economy by 1.7 percent,” resulting in “1.5 percent higher wages,” a “4.8 percent larger capital stock,” and “339,000 additional full-time equivalent jobs.”
Democrats, predictably, are complaining that the GOP tax cuts benefit the rich instead of the middle class. Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez described the tax bill as a “massive tax break bill for large corporations and for uber-wealthy people.” “Instead of providing a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefits the middle class, this bill cuts taxes for the wealthiest Americans while raising taxes on a majority of families making less than $75,000 in the coming years,” said Senator Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) on the Senate floor. “This tax plan doesn’t live up the commitment I got from President Trump, when he told me he wouldn’t support tax reform that benefited the very rich at the expense of the little guy,” added Senator Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.).
But of course tax cuts benefit the rich. They are the ones who pay the bulk of the income taxes collected, and always have.
The income tax began with a 1 percent tax on taxable income above $3,000 ($4,000 for married couples) followed by a series of surcharges of up to 6 percent applied to higher incomes. The maximum rate of 7 percent was applied to taxable income over $500,000. The top rate has fluctuated widely over the years, and was near or above 90 percent from 1950–1963.
According to IRS data from 2014 — the most recent year available — 139,562,034 tax returns were filed reporting $9.71 trillion in adjusted gross income (AGI). Taxpayers paid $1.37 trillion in individual income taxes in 2014, an 11.5 percent increase from the previous year. The top 0.1 percent of taxpayers (in terms of AGI) paid 19.85 percent of all federal income taxes. The top 1 percent paid 39.48 percent. The top 5 percent paid 59.97 percent. The top 10 percent paid 70.88 percent. The top 25 percent paid 86.78 percent. And the top 50 percent paid 97.25 percent. This means that the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers (those with AGIs below $38,173) paid just 2.75 percent of all federal income taxes. It also means that the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid about as much as the bottom 95 percent.
“The rich” are also punished through the phase-out of tax exemptions, deductions, and credits as income rises, even as “the poor” receive tax refunds from the government of money they never paid in via refundable tax credits.
You are repeating stale class-warfare slogans about tax cuts for the rich. Ironically, government unions, with their pension plans heavily invested in equity shares, will benefit hugely from the tax-cut-led stock market boom. They boo the GOP bill while they should be cheering. Why does the left-lurching Democrats root against economic growth, the stock market, and a powerful prosperity at home that lends strength abroad?
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The numbers you are echoing from Fox and friends are useless: The top .1% is worth as much as the bottom 90%. Whatever tax the top .1% (or the top 20%) pays, simply reduces those people’s ability to waste even more of their money on yachts or bribes, while the tax the middle and lower classes pay reduces their ability to pay for food, education and health care.
If you want to hear purely rational arguments for taxing the rich more: rich people use the common resources and infrastructure much more than we do. For example, who maintains public education for the workers of the rich ? Who pays for the education and training of the doctors taking care of the health of these workers who then produce the wealth of the wealthy ? Who benefits more from our roads, railroads, Internet, satellite/GPS system more: my family or the Waltons? Who needs more the services of the military, police, firefighters: my family or the Waltons?
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Mate,
You missed the first line of the comment to Diane – it did not say Fox and Friends – it said left leaning “Tax Foundation”
Sigh
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Diane,
Since you have no class envy – At what level of income do you feel individuals no longer need more – ” It is not any form of jealousy on my part. It is recognition of out and out greed by those who do not need more.”
Once these individuals attain your limit should they retire and no longer work towards getting more – should they no longer invent, design or work on improvements, they should no longer create to add more jobs to make more “dodads” should they no longer work on charity giving – become dropouts. Is that what you are suggesting? If they invest they make money, if they place money in an account at the bank – 1 0r 2% will make money – is this the greed you see.
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“Once these individuals attain your limit should they retire and no longer work towards getting more – should they no longer invent, design or work on improvements, …”
Those individuals do not work on anything, since the workers do the work for them. Stop pretending that working for the rich is a gift for the worker. It’s the worker who produces everything, including the ever increasing wealth for the wealthy; it’s the workers who give gifts to the investors and owners of a corporation every day.
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“It is estimated that tRump will be getting $11 million a year off of this tax ‘reform’. ”
This is eleven thousand times the $1K “real money” we get. So our leader’s contribution to the economy is considered 11K times more valuable than our contribution.
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It’s clear that we’re not going to get anywhere talking about who we’re willing to accept money from and the long term ramifications of this tax code overhaul. And all the pointing to the economic state of affairs when Obama took office, the taxpayer funded bailout of Wall Street, etc isn’t going to amount to a hill of beans in this debate.
So, I’m going to steer the conversation away from the “obvious” or “immediate” financial impact and, instead, mention some of the other aspects of the Trump administration:
1) Trump’s cabinet picks and their experience in the fields that they’ve been appointed to administer.
2) The policies that are being instituted, relaxed, repealed, or being brought up for consideration of repeal as a result of the above mentioned appointments.
3) The racism that’s emanating from the White House and feeding those who have “had enough” of the multi-cultural society we’re living in.
4) The non-stop tweeting and verbal campaign directed at discrediting the FBI, CIA, Justice Dept, “fake media” (sorry…FOX News and Breitbart aren’t the only ones who are getting it right).
5) The diminishment of our standing as a leader on the international stage.
And so much more…
Expectations tend to build upon themselves. The richest people in our nation were not “slummin’ it” before this overhaul, by any stretch of the imagination. They could have offered up these raises and bonuses under the older tax code, as well. It’s now just easier for them to do so.
Before you get up on your soapbox and sneer at our ignorance, j, you might want to take a moment and reflect on the price that we’re paying for this money that is so magnanimously being showered upon the masses by the happier than ever 1%.
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carolmalaysia,
The idea of making the individual tax cuts, set to expire in ten years is due to Senate budget reconciliation rules, permanent.
Bernie, owner of three homes and patron saint of his admired Venezuela, on CNN’s State of the Union last Sunday bemoaning the fact that corporate tax cuts are permanent but not those for the guys and gals in flyover country:
On Sunday, CNN’s “State of the Union” host Jake Tapper put Bernie in an uncomfortable position, forcing him to acknowledge that the middle-class tax cuts in the GOP bill are a good thing:
TAPPER: Next year, 91% of middle-income Americans will receive a tax cut. Isn’t that a good thing?
SANDERS: Yeah, it is a very good thing, and that’s why we should have made the tax breaks for the middle class permanent. But what the Republicans did is make the tax breaks for corporations permanent, the tax cuts for the middle class temporary, and, according to the Tax Policy Center … at the end of ten years, 83% of the benefits go to the top 1%[;] 60% of the benefits go to the top one tenth of 1%. Meanwhile, at the end of 10 years, well over 80 million Americans will be paying more in taxes[.]
Carol, your representative who sent you a letter of bullet points from the Dem genmill nor Bernie or any Dem proposing as the Senate debated the tax cuts the suspension of the Byrd Rule so the individual tax cuts could be made permanent. And if I remember correctly there were two empty seats next to President Trump – – the octogenarian and Chucky didn’t want those taxes permanent and neither did they want too participate to give American citizens a tax break of any size!
Sen. Ted Cruz’s gave Bernie an invitation to co-sponsor legislation to make them permanent – no show!
Explain how one can love workers but hate their employers, especially those who are passing out $1,000 bonuses or raising their corporate minimum wage to the liberals’ much beloved $15 per hour:
What level of taxation do you consider “fair”? Do you know anybody who got a job from a poor person?
Tax breaks under Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush have never exploded the deficit. Spending excessively is the problem.
Do you remember the effort to make the rich pay their “fair share,” it aimed at the rich and hit the working class. The luxury tax was a 10% tax imposed in 1991 on cars valued above $30,000, boats above $100,000, jewelry and furs above $10,000, and private planes above $250,000.
Boat-building, a key industry in the home states of Messrs. Mitchell and Kennedy, Maine and Massachusetts, was particularly hard hit. Yacht retailers reported a 77% drop in sales that year, while boat-builders estimated layoffs at 25,000.
When you tax something, you get less of it, particularly economic activity.
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To tell you the truth, I do not understand why Trump, Gates, FedEx, GE and all the other behemoths should pay any taxes whatsoever. It just hinders their expansion to become even more ginormous. Instead, we, regular folks, should pay all the taxes, since all we do is do the work for these guys, while they do what really matters for this economy: they count their money and spend it on their pet projects.
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It’s worth pointing out that while 450K kids go to private schools in NY state, more than 6 times as many (2.5 million) kids go to public schools in the state.
Click to access SchoolDistrictEnrollment1994-95to2014-15StatewideTotals.pdf
Of the 450K private school student in NY state, more than 80% of them (360K+) go to religiously affiliated schools.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/statistics/nonpublic/2016-17NonpublicEnrollmentbyGrade.xlsx
So we can safely say that the reason for the bill is to help (rich) kids religious education, while screwing up the education of the vast majority of the kids.
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Ed reformers were shilling for the tax bill at yesterday’s “education” event.
Here’s Betsy DeVos neglecting to mention the 90% of children who attend public schools, again:
The expansion of 529 savings plans to cover K-12 education expenses is a good first step to expanding school choice — but just that, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said Tuesday.
“Anything that empowers parents and gives them more opportunities is a good thing, but it doesn’t address the needs of parents who are from lower incomes and does not empower them in significant ways. That has to continue to be an important consideration on our radar screen,” DeVos told reporters.
They held another “education event” that omitted public school families. They support 10% of schools- the requirement for support is “private” or “charter”. The Best and Brightest simply aren’t interested in the unfashionable public sector schools.
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“Anything that empowers parents and gives them more opportunities is a good thing, but it doesn’t address the needs of parents who are from lower incomes and does not empower them in significant ways. ”
She is almost honest here: she admits that the tax bill considers helping the rich in private schools more urgent than helping people with low income.
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” the worst caricature of Republicans and education — taking money from the poor to give to the rich.”
It’s certainly grotesque, but it’s not an exaggeration, so it only meets one of the requirements of being a caricature.
And American Enterprise Institute is a caricature of itself.
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That starts right now — add your name to say Congress should repeal the TrumpTax:
http://www.repealthetrumptax.org
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Was there any discussion at all on the law’s effect on public school students?
How much time did congressional representatives spend on the 90% of kids who attend public schools versus the tiny slice who will use 529 plans?
Public school children do not have effective advocates in DC. They are not well-represented. Often they are completely omitted. They’re the default, the back-up, the majority that can be safely ignored or actively harmed. These lawmakers believe that the public shares their sneering disdain for public schools and public school students so they don’t see any political risk in harming them. Us. Our kids.
This is what capture looks like. When the efforts and attention of lawmakers don’t make sense, when you’re wondering why they’re kowtowing to small slices and ignoring the vast majority. It seems ludicrous because it IS ludicrous. They’re captured. That’s the explanation for what appears inexplicable.
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Meanwhile this has happened: Parents went to Capitol Hill to plead with Congress to fund the Children’s Health Insurance Program before their sons and daughters lose coverage.
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Americans should cut off congressional health insurance subsidies. They really need to LIVE in the country they create. They won’t get it until they feel it- their families, their health insurance.
They’re really insulated from their own laws because so many of them are wealthy. They may as well live in a different country.
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AMEN, Chiara. They vote themselves ONLY the BEST of everything, even health insurance. They and their donors have theirs while the rest of us who PAY get the leftovers. Congress is mostly worthless and they live in a BUBBLE.
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The 45committee, a pro-Trump conservative nonprofit group that is primarily funded by casino magnate Sheldon Adelson and the family of TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, has spent about $15 million promoting a tax bill over the last few months. The group does not have a target number for how much it will spend in 2018 yet, but a holiday-themed thank-you ad is in the works.
“We know it’s the greatest Christmas present from Washington in a long time, and we’re going to tell people about it,” said Brian Baker, the chairman and president of 45committee. “We’ll spend whatever it takes to make sure the American people know how they benefit from a Trump-Pence administration and a Congress led by Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.”
Baker’s group just paid for Republican pollsters Bill McInturff and Nicole McCleskey at Public Opinion Strategies to test various messages related to the tax bill. They reported back that the four most effective arguments to move public opinion are: 1) “Removes and eliminates many loopholes so special interests start paying their fair share.” 2) “Levels the playing field for American businesses to better compete against foreign competition.” 3) “It’s estimated that more than one million jobs would be created over the next 10 years with higher wages for workers.” 4) “Simplifies and reduces taxes for most Americans by doubling the standard deduction.”
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Just an FYI. Zuckerberg is selling his Summit learning platform in conjunction with the US Department of Education.
They sell it by saying “300 public school districts” have adopted it, but no one ever hears from their “public school partners” who are apparently sort of junior, silent partners.
There is local newspaper coverage of public school parents objecting and insisting the program be rolled back or ended, none of which is mentioned in the sales pitches. It’s BEEN rejected in districts in CT and IN and OH, so far.
So if your school is considering adopting this do some research and don’t rely on ed reform to give you solid information. They either have no clue how this is “working” in the unfashionable public school sector or they are deliberately hiding the problems.
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Zuckerberg again … he censors what he doesn’t like on FB. FB is NOT an open forum.
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Here- I’ll save public school leaders a trip to DC- not that they’re ever invited anyway:
“There appeared to be broad agreement in the room on several general notions: Teachers are important, technology needs to be used, but used wisely, and schools must change to prepare students for a changing world.”
They already knew that, right? The rest was marketing of specific charter schools and urging them to spend money on devices.
We just saved their district several thousand dollars in lost time and travel costs.
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Diane,
This post ignores the reality that many states’ (like New York and Virginia) deductions for their 529 accounts are written to only cover qualified college expenses so a change in the federal tax code does not automatically change the state’s deduction law.
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In states which won’t change the law, people will take their 529 accounts to another state where the earnings do get the tax exemption.
http://www.savingforcollege.com/intro_to_529s/can-I-have-529-plans-from-multiple-states.php
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Shared from BBC News:
VIdeo: Paul Ryan’s exuberant gavelling as tax bill passes House
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42406614/paul-ryan-s-exuberant-gavelling-as-tax-bill-passes-house
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The Whoppers of 2017…FactCheck.org
President Trump monopolizes our list of the year’s worst falsehoods and bogus claims.
December 20, 2017
Summary
We first dubbed President Donald Trump, then just a candidate, as “King of Whoppers” in our annual roundup of notable false claims for 2015.
He dominated our list that year – and again in 2016 – but there was still plenty of room for others.
This year? The takeover is complete.
In his first year as president, Trump used his bully pulpit and Twitter account to fuel conspiracy theories, level unsubstantiated accusations and issue easily debunked boasts about his accomplishments.
And a chorus of administration officials helped in spreading his falsehoods.
Trump complained — without a shred of evidence — that massive voter fraud cost him the 2016 popular vote. He doubled down by creating the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity and appointing a vice chairman who falsely claimed to have “proof” that Democrats stole a U.S. Senate seat in New Hampshire.
Even as he mobilized the federal government to ferret out Democratic voter fraud, Trump refused to accept the U.S. intelligence community’s consensus finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 campaign.
Trump disparaged the “so-called ‘Russian hacking’” as a “hoax” and a “phony Russian Witch Hunt,” and compared the conduct of U.S. intelligence agencies to “Nazi Germany.” He then falsely accused the “dishonest” news media of making it “sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community.”
When he spoke of himself, Trump’s boastfulness went far beyond the facts.
He claimed that his inaugural crowd “went all the way back to the Washington Monument,” and sent out his press secretary to declare it the “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe.” He described his tax plan as the “biggest tax cutin the history of our country,” and took credit for making the U.S. nuclear arsenal “far stronger and more powerful than ever” after seven months on the job. None of that was true.
Trump is clearly an outlier. If he and his aides were removed from our list, we would be left with a dozen or more notable falsehoods roughly equally distributed between the two parties. You’ll find those at the end of this very long list.
Forgive us for the length. But consider this: It could be even longer.
Note: This is a summary only. The full analysis is available on our website.
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I wonder if Trump noticed what happened in Virginia. His lies and braggadocio will bring him down
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Diane, I hope you’re right. However, Pence is just as bad and possibly worse. Many Americans would suffer under him since he is a religious zealot who is bigoted. Ryan looked with glee at passing the tax bill. What a group. Will America ever recover and elect some decent politicians to help the middle class and those who are suffering?
There are a lot of people who will be thrilled to get any tax money back. They quite possibly will rejoice for the great GOP and care nothing about the fact that the deficit will be increased by at least $1.4 trillion. The economy will be strained and no jobs will appear. Is that enough to affect them? Will millions who loose their healthcare matter?
This tax ‘reform’ is disliked by a majority of Americans. I hope this dislike continues after we find out the particulars of what is involved. With some hope, it will positively affect the Democratic party. I hope Dems blast the GOP and let people know who is really getting the tax benefits.
I can’t stand the smile that Trump will show when he signs something that will give him and his greedy family billions more. What a wonderful Christmas gift.
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I am certain that the recent gubernatorial campaign (and victory for the Dems) was closely watched by both the Pres. and his political advisors.
The campaign run the Northam team, was sloppy and poorly conducted. Northam had to distance himself from the Pres, and still appeal to the Republican base, and attempt to bring in some disaffected Democrats.
Most Virginians were disinterested, I could not even convince my wife to vote at all. The current political climate, is distasteful to people from all over the political spectrum.
Our side lost, fair and square. It is time to move on.
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I am astounded at how anyone can so blatantly lie. What is wrong with these people? Have they talked themselves into believing their garbage?
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TheHill.com: Senate passes tax bill, pushing it closer to Trump’s desk
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday hailed the legislation as a “once-in-a-generation opportunity.”
“[It will] deliver historic tax relief to American families. It will help put our country on a trajectory toward more innovation and better paying jobs. It will repeal an unfair tax at the center of ObamaCare and will help America achieve greater energy security,” he said.
They [Republicans] argue the bill will boost an already healthy economy, leading to new investments by U.S. companies and preventing jobs from being outsourced to other countries.
A CNN poll released Tuesday found that 55 percent of respondents opposed the GOP tax plan, and two-thirds believe it will benefit the wealthy more than the middle class. A separate Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that 41 percent of Americans think the plan is a bad idea, an uptick from 35 percent in October.
McConnell, asked about poor polling, said Republicans were “just beginning to make the argument to the American people.”
… 529 accounts for home-schooling expenses pushed by Sen. Ted Cruz ..The Texas senator took a swing at Democrats ahead of the vote to strike his provision, as well as the other pieces that violated the Senate rules.
“What every Democrat is standing up to do right now is saying, ‘we’re going to discriminate against home-schoolers. We’re going to cut you out.’ Why? Because the Democratic Party can’t stand the audacity of a parent who would take it upon himself or herself to educate their child free of centralized control,” Cruz said from the Senate floor.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/365722-senate-passes-final-tax-bill-despite-last-minute-snag
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Ted Cruz can propose this because he is a Senator from Texas and Texas does not have a State Income tax. We fund our schools through property taxes and some through our lottery.
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In Utah, taxes are tied to the federal tax after exemptions. Taking out the personal exemption will RAISE state taxes in Utah, probably more than we would “save” with this tax cut.
That’s great for education, until the “esteemed” state legislature gets through with it. I expect they’ll do something to curb this tax increase, in order to hurt schools again.
But EVERY ONE of the state’s congresspeople voted for the tax change, even though it could really raise state taxes in Utah.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/i-dont-feel-like-this-is-for-us-in-land-of-large-families-deep-uncertainty-over-impact-of-tax-overhaul/2017/12/16/931f30ac-e056-11e7-9eb6-e3c7ecfb4638_story.html?utm_term=.8d51f540b167
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This email came in from the WH. The whole bunch are liars.
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President Trump: Tax bill ‘an incredible Christmas gift for hard-working Americans’
ABC News reports Republicans’ “first major legislative victory” under President Donald J. Trump is the “largest overhaul of the tax code in 30 years.” The bill simplifies the tax code by eliminating several special interest loopholes and doing away with Obamacare’s individual mandate. The President said Americans would start to see the bill’s effects beginning in February. “This bill means more take-home pay. It will be an incredible Christmas gift for hard-working Americans. I said I wanted it done before Christmas. We got it done,” President Trump said.
House Speaker Paul Ryan writes in The Wall Street Journal that tax reform means hardworking Americans paychecks will grow. “So will the economy, as the bill brings U.S. corporate taxes in line with the developed-world norm,” the Speaker added.
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4 ways Trump and his family could benefit under the Republican tax plan
https://shar.es/1MUjns
Check out this story on CNNMoney: http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/news/economy/trump-tax-plan/index.html
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Seth attacks the last minute addition to the tax bill that would benefit Corker and Trump. It’s refreshing to see comedians who know facts and aren’t afraid to express them. Forget the belief that all comments made by politicians need to be given equal time in the media.
Trump also demonstrates his ignorance or biases on other subjects.
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Trump’s FBI Speech, the GOP Tax Plan and Bob Corker: A Closer Look
Late Night with Seth Meyers
Published on Dec 18, 2017
Seth takes a closer look at how Republicans are trying to pass their tax plan despite a brewing controversy over a last-minute tax break that could personally enrich GOP lawmakers and President Trump.
https://youtu.be/NEYtxauVqA4
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Trump’s ‘small business’ tax cut is actually for rich people like Trump
Josh Barro
Sep. 27, 2017, 6:14 PM 14,436
The tax framework documentreleased by Republican leaders on Wednesday says “small businesses drive our economy and our communities, and they deserve a significant tax cut.”
The public seems to agree: A September poll from The Wall Street Journal found 57% of Americans favor a tax cut for small businesses — which, somewhat surprisingly, is higher than the 40% of respondents who said their own families ought to get a tax cut.
But the “small business” tax cut in the Republican proposal is not really aimed at small businesses. Much of its benefit would flow to large businesspeople — like Donald Trump.
How it works
The Republican proposal “limits the maximum tax rate applied to the business income of small and family-owned businesses conducted as sole proprietorships, partnerships, and S-corporations to 25%.”
A business does not have to be small to be family-owned, and it does not have to be small to be organized in one of these forms. To choose one example at random, financial disclosures from family businessman Donald Trump show that he owns hundreds of businesses that are structured as partnerships or sole proprietorships, some of them presumably quite large.
Trump would nonetheless be able to take advantage of this “small business” provision, paying tax on his income from these entities at a rate of 25% when other high-income taxpayers would pay at rates up to 35%.
Other rich taxpayers would benefit, too. Law firms are typically structured as general partnerships, even very large and prestigious ones. Under Trump’s plan, the partners who own the firms would enjoy a lower tax rate than the associates they employ.
Really small businesses get no benefit
On the other hand, a lot of truly small businesses would get no benefit from this provision, because a cap of 25% on your tax rate only matters if you would have otherwise been taxed at more than 25%.
Under current law, business income of the type discussed here is taxed in the same manner as wage income, at graduated rates that rise with your income.
Republicans have proposed three tax brackets for regular income: 12%, 25% and 35%. They haven’t specified where those brackets would apply, but Trump’s last campaign tax plan applied the 25% bracket up to $112,500 of taxable income ($225,000 for married couples).
So, assuming Republicans use those same bracket thresholds, and accounting for their proposal for a $12,000 standard deduction, this “small business” tax preference won’t help you at all unless you’re in the top income tax bracket. That means your income would have to be at least $124,500 — or $249,000, if you are married.
Of course, a business with $250,000 in profits is still a small business. But when Americans tell pollsters they want a tax cut for “small business,” I doubt they mean they want to exclude business owners with family incomes under a quarter million dollars.
As is often the case with Republican tax plans, what is advertised as a tax break for “small business” is actually a proposal to create a tax preference for wealthy people like Donald Trump.
Kansas tried this approach at the urging of conservative ideologues, found it to be a failure, and repealed it. It should not be taken national.
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Great message that visually demonstrates real goals the GOP doesn’t openly express.
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U-tube video: A Christmas Message to Donald Trump from Ben and Jerry
Yo Ben Cohen
Published on Dec 20, 2017
Ben & Jerry’s co-founders send a Christmas message to Donald Trump. The views expressed in this video are Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield’s views. They are not speaking on behalf of the company.
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Carolmalaysia and Diane,
I find that there is a lot of hysteria over this bill – even prior to signing by Trump – who
met another one of his promises. Still can’t get my hands around the idea that the Dems couldn’t find away to look good for the 2018 elections and the left base other than constant name calling and negative nick picking.
Paul Krugman – ALTERTNET today – again becomes more distrusting in his observations and prognostication.
I remember the early hours of Wednesday morning, when the vote totals indicated a Trump victory, the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 750 points on the future trade. Lefty New York Times economist Krugman made a bold prediction.
“It really does now look like President Trump,” Krugman wrote in his blog. “Markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover? If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.”
Krugman’s gloom-and-doom continued: “We are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.”
Hours later the world got a chance to see the value of Mr. Krugman’s predictive talent. The stock market reversed course. After bottoming out, all the early losses were erased. Later in the day, the Dow surged above its all-time closing high. It ended the day just a few points below that mark with a gain of 257 points.
The market that economist Paul Krugman predicted would “never” come back, recovered and soared within hours. Not days. Not months. Not years. Hours!
This perfectly illustrates the hysteria the Drive-By Media has created with their irrational fear-mongering. So I read him with care and love to relishing how my 401k is doing since Trump became President.
The world died this week. The tax bill passed.
The bill has variously been described as “a disaster,” “one of the great robberies” of history, and a “massive attack” on the middle class — and that’s just Bernie Sanders.
Other critics say it will explode the deficit, enrich the undeserving rich, immiserate the underserved poor, and ring a “death knell” for the sinking middle class. Nancy Pelosi calls it a “Frankenstein,” albeit one that will return to kill its Republican creators. Armageddon!
The sky is not falling as predicted by the Dems Pellosi and Chucky Shuuuumer – as their beloved Rev Wright once proclaimed – the chickens will come home to roost. These two see it as a moral abomination to enact the very type of tax reform they themselves favored until quite recently – ideological hysteria? BTW many developed countries, including Germany, Sweden and Britain, have all slashed their corporate rates in recent years. Lo, the sky did not fall.
This moment – is a true WHOOPIE moment. In 2018, according to the Tax Policy Center, 91 percent of middle-income filers will get a tax cut, averaging close to $1,100. That’s real money,
The cuts also coincide with some of the most robust economic growth in over a decade.
Expert economic – Krugman i.e. – opinion told us Trump’s election would cause a worldwide recession and send stock markets tumbling.
Carol, in a statement above you indicated that medicare would be immediately cut – haven’t seen it but I will say some adjustments need to be made to entitlements. My understanding is the feds use 90 cent of every dollar to pay for them.
Dems don’t have an agenda. Pelosi and Chucky are not running on an agenda, except to prove a years’ worth of negative attacks – that won’t improve their base’ pocket books.. They don’t have an alternative tax plan, for example. They didn’t respond to Trump and the Republicans’ tax cut proposal here with their own version. Because they don’t have one. They really do not believe in tax cuts. They promise them, but they never deliver them. Spending Spending – and When did you hear complaint when Obama increased the deficit in 8 years more than all president together!
Merry Xmas and Happy Chanukah
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Look to 2018, jscheidell, and remember Virginia.
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Diane,
As I look to 2018 and the forthcoming New Year’s day celebrations, I will not be looking to Va – no, I will be looking at the gains in my 401k and my wallet.
Im sure those in the companies raising the base hrly salary to 15$ are happy and those that get the 1000 bonuses are overjoyed…and that includes some of those dems in VA. And I bet those individuals who are no longer going to be taxed for something they don’t want to buy are happy as well – let alone have to pay a fine….
Make your 2018 a Great One – #MAGA
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I hope I live long enough to see the Great Orange Moron impeached or in jail, or just out of Office.
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Diane, I’m with you on this!! I mostly call him the Orange IDIOT! Sometimes I revert back to Orange Buffoon. All are descriptive of a very unfit, bigoted, ignorant, hateful, greedy, self-involved, narcissistic moron.
I thought George W was as bad as was possible. Now George W is looking better. [I remember him speaking off the cuff and its being shown on CNN International when I was working overseas. I listened and was embarrassed. I can imagine how expats now feel. Journalists also now have to edit what tRump says. Nobody can follow his meandering speech. Translators are having a difficult time figuring out what he is saying.]
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What do you think will happen when there is an additional $1.5 trillion added to the deficit? Payments for this will come from somewhere and the GOP is already talking about cutting entitlements since there won’t be money to afford social networks that help people.
How do you propose that this deficit be repaid? Most economists so not support the idea that the economy will continue to bloom to the extent needed to repay this underfunding.
Quite frankly, if the middle class were to be helped, it would make a lot more sense to cut middle class taxes. That would be something worthwhile to brag about. Donors being rewarded for giving $$$ to members of Congress is a form of bribery.
Study what happened in Kansas. Their tax cutting shows what will happen on a larger scale in the whole US.
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Ii posted this before. It shows just how little the middle class will be getting. After 2027 when middle class cuts disappear the wealthy will still be benefitting.
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Headline: For middle class, this tax cut will pay for a nice laptop. For the average millionaire, it’ll buy a luxury SUV. Every year. (NPR)
..And that’s before the middle-class benefits evaporate, just after President Trump’s prospective second term. After that, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, the wealthiest Americans would reap four-fifths of the benefits of this week’s GOP bill.
All while adding $1.5 trillion to the deficit.
Put another way, in 2018, households earning $1 million or more — or, 0.4 percent of all tax filers — would be getting 16.5 percent of the total benefit from the bill.
In 2027, households earning $1 million or more — estimated to be 0.6 percent of all filers — would be getting 81.8 percent of the total benefit, even though their average tax break would be about $46,000 smaller in 2027 than in 2018.
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Carpolmalaysia,
I am befuddled by the Dems – i.e. Sanders etc, bloviating about how the tax cuts expire for the individual and it becomes a tax increase – it is frustrating that he – and the guy is a socialist with a capitalistic outlook for the individual? The Dems could have been working for a permanent solution but there was not one Dem voting for it – not one. So the Republicans had to use reconciliation because they need 60 votes. Ask your rep who sent the letter to you what he is doing to make them permanent. Ask him why he didn’t want to give you a tax cut and make it permanent – ask why he didn’t work to get to the 60 votes needed.
It sounds like class envy – I really don’t care what it does for the rich – I can only be concerned for me – an individual. So Chucky and his octogenarian sidekick are going to spend the next year telling us why the 15 dollars some companies are going to increase part time pay is not good enough, or the 1000 dollar bonus that some bad rich company is generating for employees is pathetic, its never enough nor good enough, but don’t ask the individual about how bad the extra dollars are in their wallets. More than they ever got from Obama’s regime.
1.5 trillion to the deficit – pleaser tell me you where on the band wagon of complaining during Obamas spending for 8 years – 9 trillion?
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Mate,
In your last paragraph – Those individuals do not work on anything, since the workers do the work for them. Stop pretending that working for the rich is a gift for the worker. It’s the worker who produces everything, including the ever increasing wealth for the wealthy; it’s the workers who give gifts to the investors and owners of a corporation every day.
I bet the workers thank the corp for the paycheck, thank the wealthy for the economic creation of the business. The object of a business is to make wealth or why bother doing it?
The worker produces the product but who created the product and saw the need for it, designed it – trickle down economics
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“I bet the workers thank the corp for the paycheck, thank the wealthy for the economic creation of the business. ”
Only those workers who are brainwashed into thinking, they are inferior humans. Luckily, fewer and fewer brains can be subjected to this distorted world view.
“The object of a business is to make wealth or why bother doing it?”
That’s an incredibly shallow and boring reason for doing something.
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I’ve heard about a few corporations that actually care about the environment and care about how their workers are treated. They are few but they do exist..not necessarily in the US. How much better to work at a place where everyone achieves a measure of happiness and success. The US is far down on the happiness rating and miserable working conditions, lack of healthcare and income inequality contribute to that low rating. Life does not have to be this way.
I liked your comment about how the object of a business is shallow and boring if making wealth is their only goal. It does not have to be this way. jscheidell, you are wrong.
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“I’ve heard about a few corporations that actually care about the environment and care about how their workers are treated.”
Of course. The point is that I’d like to think, jobs are not created out of nothing by wealthy people to make people happy, but jobs exist because there are things to do.
As soon as you attribute some kind of unique job creating power and mission to the Waltons and friends, you subscribe to the notion of working for them, hence you accept that your main mission is to increase their wealth. With this undervalueing of the purpose of your own work, you are also likely to rationalize why these unique people with unique powers shouldn’t pay taxes—taxes that would curb their creative powers.
I think part of our mission as public educators is to prevent the next generation of workers to become omega humans, spending their lives in servitude of billionaires, and I think this is exactly the reason why the GOP wants to defund public education.
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Jscheidell must be employed by the Chamber of Commerce
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“The object of a business is to make wealth or why bother doing it?”
Maybe in order to create goods and services that will serve selves and society? And come out at the other end with a nice profit?
The top 1% were doing beyond “just fine” before this tax overhaul. In fact, some of them had avoided bankruptcy due to a complete, nationwide, taxpayer paid bailout.
The businesses you cited could’ve given out those bonuses, raised their workers salaries, and increased their benefits packages.
They just didn’t want to. They wanted more. Now that they got that “more”, they feel comfortable enough to give a little of it back.
We aren’t supplicants.
What’s your definition of “wealth”, jscheidell?
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Git,
No, Diane – not employed by the Chamber of Horrors – retired educator and former entrepreneur with my own small business.
Yes Git, those are solid reasons as well –
But – “come out at the other end with a nice profit?” Here lies the question – what is a nice profit? And is that nice profit to be determined by the individual? outsiders? At which point does it become “greedy” as a few here malign the wealthy and the corps.
Ive asked a few here to tell me what is, as Bernie, Chucky and his octogenarian sidekick, to define or create a limit that defines their, the wealthy greedy people – “fair Share” in paying taxes – Crickets abound.
What is wealth – if it relates to ones health, family etc it is defined differently than monetary views – for some it may be “more” than what they have at any point – for those beyond the individual’s sphere who judge others it might be based on a salary index. Wealth might related to a “happiness” index.
“The businesses you cited could’ve given out those bonuses, raised their workers salaries, and increased their benefits packages.” Now I doubt you or any one else on this blog has the balance sheet to determine what the corp can do regarding those issues. It is well known the first people the corps are responsible to are the share holders.
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“But – “come out at the other end with a nice profit?” Here lies the question – what is a nice profit? And is that nice profit to be determined by the individual? outsiders? At which point does it become “greedy” as a few here malign the wealthy and the corps.”
Good question. I would say that it’s very apparent who’s determining the amount of this “nice profit”, J. It’s those who are MAKING that nice profit. Their profits from the past have given them the ability to push their weight, worldwide, and demand more.
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Gitapik: “Their profits from the past have given them the ability to push their weight, worldwide, and demand more.”
It’s not only that they demand more (greed) but that they are perfectly willing to keep everyone else on a level to barely survive. Who needs healthcare, decent public schooling, a sound infrastructure, libraries or a salary that allows one to thrive and be alive? Cut, cut, cut because societal needs are those of the lazy and shouldn’t be allowed. I’d like one Republican to explain in detail how billions of cuts to Medicare is really ‘a beautiful Christmas present’.
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Mate,
“you are also likely to rationalize why these unique people with unique powers shouldn’t pay taxes—taxes that would curb their creative powers.”
Sorry but never crossed my mind that they shouldn’t pay taxes on their income – since we don’t tax wealth. It pains me to ask again – what is the “fair share” of taxes to be paid?
Taxes haven’t curbed any billionaires creativity as far as I can recollect.
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carolmlaysia,
CNN makes note that ‘Time will tell” on the cuts ” Note that the verbiage of MAY and COULD – -As for Medicare and Medicaid, only time will tell. The tax bill doesn’t touch them directly, but the cuts are expected to add $1.46 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.
That increase could trigger automatic spending cuts to entitlement programs, unless lawmakers vote to stop them.
That increase could trigger automatic spending cuts to entitlement programs, unless lawmakers vote to stop them.
The link below
CNN Money
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/21/retirement/aarp-tax-bill-seniors/index.html – 105k – Cached – Similar pages
Dec 21, 2017 … The severity of the impact of this measure is still up for debate among health policy experts. Related: What’s in the GOP’s final tax plan. As for Medicare and Medicaid, only time will tell. The tax bill doesn’t touch them directly, but the cuts are expected to add $1.46 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.
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jscheidell: “…the cuts are expected to add $1.46 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.”
Who will pay for this addition to the deficit? Glad you are prospering. Many in this country aren’t. How many people live in states where being extremely poor means not having the ability to go to a doctor? Millions face that scenario. I saw a documentary about RAM, a voluntary medical group that comes to impoverished areas to provide free care. Why is this acceptable? Why isn’t this being addressed before giving a huge tax break to the wealthy? Why isn’t the minimum wage being raised so that people working full time can have enough to survive? Nobody should work full time and have to carry 2-3 jobs to barely make it.
It is projected that tRump will gain at least $11 million a year from this ‘wonderful Christmas present” to the middle class.
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“jscheidell: “…the cuts are expected to add $1.46 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.”
(S)He can rationalize anything. For example, “this $1.46 trillion addition is useful since it will force the nation to cut back on entitlement programs.”
If you think about it, carolmalaysia, you can tell her answers and arguments in advance.
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I suppose jscheidell never wants or needs Medicare or Social Security or clean air or water and doesn’t plan to visit any national parks, ever again.
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Diane and carolmalaysia,
First Diane, Your supposition on all parts is completely erroneous on your part – I suppose jscheidell never wants or needs Medicare or Social Security or clean air or water and doesn’t plan to visit any national parks, ever again.”
Carol, Instead of always complaining about the rich being greedy and not paying “fair share” why not push for allowing more charitable donations to organizations like RAM? – why not spend your efforts eliciting your legislators to allow the volunteers to cross state lines, why not tell the Clinton Foundation to spend some the dollars they keep from being taxed to organization like RAM here in the US?
“Many states have laws that prohibit medical personnel from crossing state lines and working at RAM clinics, which Brock hopes soon will change with the help of legislation Rep. John J. Duncan Jr., R-Knoxville, has filed that would provide $1 million to any state that allows licensed medical professionals to travel from other states and offer their services to those in need. The money would be a one-time allocation and, while the bill does not say how it would be used, the intent is to help states pay any costs associated with allowing outside doctors to volunteer within their borders. Right now, only 12 states, including Tennessee, allow that kind of cross-state volunteer medical work. The legislation, called the Healthier Act, specifies that out-of-state medical personnel could work only at weekend clinics. That would prevent them from moving into a state and setting up a permanent or semi-permanent practice.
RAM is funded through donations and relies on volunteers from the community, as well as professionals including physicians, dentists, optometrists, nurses, pilots and veterinarians to provide care in poorer communities.
You worry more about the outcomes by/for Trump than using your energies in a more positive direction to assist the poor/needy. why not write a letter to our congress persons and President Trump requesting his and their assistance in this matter.
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jscheidell: What about having single payer or Medicare for all so that nobody has to depend upon volunteers to provide medical assistance? What about all states allowing Medicaid expansion under ACA? What about working to make ACA a better functioning type of healthcare? These suggestions are all better than depending upon volunteers. What other developed country depends upon medical volunteers to provide necessary medical help?
Charitable organizations do good work but they will never have the capacity to fulfill a government that works to help people. Trump has no intensions of helping the poor or working people. He simply was able to con them into believing he cared. I’ll let you write to him. He wouldn’t like what I have to say.
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“Instead of always complaining about the rich being greedy and not paying “fair share” why not push for allowing more charitable donations to organizations like RAM? ”
Why push for such a non-solution to health care when there is a full solution working well in every single western country? What’s preventing the US from catching up with the rest of the world? The answer: greed. This is why we talk about the greed of the rich. That’s the big problem, and the solution is clear and simple: prevent the rich from freely feeding their greed.
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Mate: Well stated. I saw the documentary on the work of RAM. Over 20,000 people came for help in a three day weekend. It was a ‘first served, first to get a number”. Some came the night before and waited. Some cried because they couldn’t try again the next day. They had no transportation and had been given a ride. One women’s teeth and gums had become so infected that she couldn’t eat solid food. She had 6 teeth pulled out in one visit. Some were given hearing aids and some needed glasses.
One fellow had been taking opioids because it was cheaper than getting whatever medication he needed for whatever was wrong.
I guess we are supposed to be proud that these desperately poor people managed to get some care. I’m not a bit proud since this decay of our society is totally unnecessary. It is the greed of the wealthy, greed of the insurance companies and the buying out of Congress that allows this injustice to continue.
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carolmalaysia,
“President John F. Kennedy was right when he said in 1962:
It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy[,] which can bring a budget surplus.
President Kennedy knew that punishing employers really punishes employees. As the late former vice presidential candidate and congressman, Jack Kemp, observed, “[i]t’s difficult to argue you are for working men and women when your policies prevent them from working by destroying the businesses that would employ them.” As Kemp wrote in the New York Times in 1996, the historical record shows that tax cuts always increase revenues and growth.
Three times in this century the United States has significantly reduced the top marginal income tax rates. In the 1920’s [sic] the top rate was lowered from 73 percent to 25 percent. Between 1921 [and] 1928, tax revenues rose from $719 million to $1.16 billion, an increase of over 60 percent. President Kennedy’s tax cuts between 1963 and 1965 lowered the top rate from 91 percent to 70 percent. Over that period, revenues increased more than 16 percent.
In the 1980’s [sic], taxes were lowered from a top marginal rate of 70 percent to 28 percent. By the end of the decade, America’s real gross domestic product surged by 32 percent and revenues grew by nearly 40 percent. True, nominal budget deficits were higher at the end of the Reagan era. But as a percentage of the gross domestic product, the deficit actually diminished during the 1980’s ”
Its a shame the Dems today are not those of JFK – I don’t think he would be allowed in their party today –
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“the historical record shows that tax cuts always increase revenues and growth.”
Of course. But we never see the growth and revenues, so they are meaningless.
What’s meaningful? That the purchasing power of the minimum wage has fallen 30% in the last 50 years!
Despite all the technological advances, amazing tax breaks, regular folks work more for less money.
Measuring the economy by keeping track of only what happens to big companies and billionaires is like evaluating the effectiveness of education by looking at test scores: meaningless for us.
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“CNN makes note that ‘Time will tell” on the cuts ” ”
No, it says “time will tell the severity of the programs”. But even CNN is unduly cautious: the situation on supporting Healthcare, Education, Retirement (HER) is already severe compared to the rest of the Western World. The US is about 70 years behind. That’s where it should focus its competitive energies. Cut the bs about strengthening the economy and how it will magically improve other things, and instead support HER directly.
“That increase could trigger automatic spending cuts to entitlement programs, unless lawmakers vote to stop them.”
How annoying it is to call HER entitlement programs.
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Money doesn’t buy happiness nor sanity. Our mentally unstable Great Leader is unraveling. Guess Fox hasn’t told him enough pleasing lies recently.
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Washington’s growing obsession: The 25th Amendment …Politico
Lawmakers concerned about President Donald Trump’s mental state summoned Yale University psychiatry professor Dr. Bandy X. Lee to Capitol Hill last month for two days of briefings about his recent behavior.
In private meetings with more than a dozen members of Congress held on Dec. 5 and 6, Lee briefed lawmakers — all Democrats except for one Republican senator, whom Lee declined to identify. Her professional warning to Capitol Hill: “He’s going to unravel, and we are seeing the signs.”
In an interview, she pointed to Trump “going back to conspiracy theories, denying things he has admitted before, his being drawn to violent videos.” Lee also warned, “We feel that the rush of tweeting is an indication of his falling apart under stress. Trump is going to get worse and will become uncontainable with the pressures of the presidency.”…
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/trump-25th-amendment-mental-health-322625
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Mate,
The rich are not the reason for our solution to healthcare being insufficient – I thought we had a govt agency which you earlier referred to as HER. The govt isn’t the solution? Then let the volunteerism of the “humanity” help and support their efforts – And low and behold the humanity does include by definition – the greedy – and I am sure the give to charities to lower their tax liabilities so they don’t pay their fair share –
The rich greedy people – charities – hmmm the govt is not the solution – the money we could use if we got rid of the Dept of Ed and if we got the congress to address the issue of why we need humanity to solve what presumably is the reason for the H
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“Then let the volunteerism of the “humanity” help and support their efforts – And low and behold the humanity does include by definition – the greedy”
Here are the grotesque scenarios you are suggesting.
“I’d like to make an appointment here in the Affordable Cancer Clinic for, say, Jan 15, because I think my cancer came back with a vengeance.”
“I am sorry, but Mr Gates and Mrs DeVos decided not to donate to our center this year since their profit was under $10 billion last year, and your treatment would cost much more than you can afford. Please come back next January, perhaps the income of these generous billionaires this coming year will be more suitable for donations by then. Thanks for your understanding of our donors’ difficult financial situation, and good luck with your truly terrible looking cancer.”
“Hello, how come our college tuition went up by 20% this year? Last year the increase was already 10% which will add $20K to my college debt by the time I graduate in 3 years. ”
“I am sorry, but you’ll be pleased to learn that our state senate just passed a bill which directed half of the public higher ed entitlements to equip every higher ed institution in our state with Microsoft’s Individual Networking Solutions, which will make your college experience all the more faster and 21st century. Next year will be even better since the other half of the higher entitlements will be shared by Microsoft, Pearson and Amway to handle all higher education in our state. While your tuition will go up by 100% next year, you’ll be glad to learn that none of your tuition dollars will go to pay the high salaries of lazy profs. Instead, it’ll all go to these three generously charitable institutions. ”
“Hello, I didn’t receive my social security check this month.”
“Ah, you probably missed the email about this. Please check your spam box. In summary, all Social Security Entitlements have been directed to support the new Walton Center for Christian Bible Studies. It is expected that this center will generously donate some money to pay the retirement entitlements of almost 1000 of its most faithful patrons. We ask for your understanding and patience, since the creation of the necessary infrastructure for these donations may take between 10-20 years. Good luck with finding a job.”
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Mate,
The magic words were help and support. Get rid of the Dept of Ed and funnel the money to the govt’s H system….Send the Ed responsibilities back to the states and localize the solutions.
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“Send the Ed responsibilities back to the states and localize the solutions.”
Yeah, great suggestion considering the new tax law which curbs state taxes.
No matter how you twist it, the main idea is to rely on the mercy and generosity of private rich donors. If private donors are so reliable, why not leave it up to rich donors to maintain the military, and get rid of the Dept of Homeland security?
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We apparently don’t need the Department of Defense because that is not mentioned in The a Constitution. Also the Founders did not propose building a wall. They welcomed immigration.
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Diane, I wish we had a Department of Peace and a Department Human Betterment. Think of how much richer mankind would be if all our efforts went into having a World Without War..a world where we worked to help all who are in need.
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Diane and carolmlaysia,
The dept of defense is necessary and so is the security of our borders. Immigration – by the LAW, there is a legal process to enter. I can’t fathom why you want illegals, MS13 – Obama did us no favors with his DACA issue. The Founders didn’t need a wall, border security at the time wasn’t a thought. Thank the “Moron”, incompetent etc etc President for pushing on the issue. We have lower numbers coming in and ICE has made a solid dent on MS13 and deportation issues are worked on. Sanctuary cities and counties and now state – California need to follow the federal law or be charges for every crime committed by these deplorable.
I must have misread all those complaints on this blog referencing the Sec of Education and the direction DaVos has for education. I must have also missed the explanations for the over testing, common core and, now that ESSA wants to get govt out of the ed business…The problem may lie with the people in those states that don’t stand up against the legislators – Utah has a strong group – NEA? the unions send billions to the Democrats rather than using it to benefit the bottom line – kids. The closer you get to the people the better chance one has to correct and make ones point clear –
Federal govt is a mess in handling the issue. states don’t have politicians who do not respect public schools – VOTE, RESIST PROTEST what ever it takes. Sitting back and not writing letters to them, the papers, school board members does zilch. I guess the public in your state didn’t understand or hear your side of the issue and the ed unions had a bigger voice – most teachers don’t realize that a portion of their dues do not go to the person they might vote for – a big block of voting power that seemingly is silent.
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What makes you think that ESSA gets the federal government out of local and state education? DeVos still controls the money, the policy, and the law mandates annual testing.
You are simply uninformed about almost everything you write about. The worst states don’t have unions yet you blame them.
I prefer not to have a Moron as president. You like the idea.
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Diane,
I laugh every time you and others on the blog refer to the President with derogatory names. The funny part about the joke is you don’t get it and you don’t get Trump – you just don’t understand him and neither did Hillary, the lame stream press and the rest of the Dems still don’t understand him and he continues to suck them into a foaming morass with every tweet.
You keep referring to him as “Moron” – I mean really – the Moron was able to beat Hillary – a moron – how moronic on your part to finally come to that conclusion – that your candidate couldn’t beat a moron! Finally someone has seen the light – that a moron, yes, a simple moron could beat the Hillary Clinton.
As you say “I prefer not to have a Moron as president. You like the idea.” Well of course I like the idea – what does it say about Hillary – who still can’t figure out What Happened – that a moron could beat her? Why does anyone want a candidate that can’t beat a moron?
Thanks for the laughter –
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I hope you laugh when your home takes a nuclear strike or you lose your healthcare and Social Security
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Diane,
I think the loss of the healthcare and social security will happen if there are no adjustments to them – everyone says the systems will come to an end unless something is done – so who has the fortitude to actually do something
Clips from the SSA – “Both Social Security and Medicare face long-term financing shortfalls under currently scheduled benefits and financing. Lawmakers have a broad continuum of policy options that would close or reduce the long-term financing shortfall of both programs. The Trustees recommend that lawmakers take action sooner rather than later to address these shortfalls, so that a broader range of solutions can be considered and more time will be available to phase in changes while giving the public adequate time to prepare. Earlier action will also help elected officials minimize adverse impacts on vulnerable populations, including lower-income workers and people already dependent on program benefits.
Social Security and Medicare together accounted for 42 percent of Federal program expenditures in fiscal year 2016. The unified budget reflects current trust fund operations. Consequently, even when there are positive trust fund balances, any drawdown of those balances, as well as general fund transfers into Medicare’s Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) fund and interest payments to the trust funds that are used to pay benefits, increase pressure on the unified budget. Both Social Security and Medicare will experience cost growth substantially in excess of GDP growth through the mid-2030s due to rapid population aging caused by the large baby-boom generation entering retirement and lower-birth-rate generations entering employment. For Medicare, it is also the case that growth in expenditures per beneficiary exceeds growth in per capita GDP over this time period. In later years, projected costs expressed as a share of GDP rise slowly for Medicare and are relatively flat for Social Security, reflecting very gradual population aging caused by increasing longevity and slower growth in per-beneficiary health care costs.”
The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund, which pays retirement and survivors benefits, and the Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Fund, which pays disability benefits, are by law separate entities. However, to summarize overall Social Security finances, the Trustees have traditionally emphasized the financial status of the hypothetical combined trust funds for OASI and DI. The combined funds-designated OASDI- satisfy the Trustees’ test of short-range (ten-year) financial adequacy. The Trustees project that the combined fund asset reserves at the beginning of each year will exceed that year’s projected cost through 2029. However, the funds fail the test of long-range close actuarial balance.
The Trustees project that the combined trust funds will be depleted in 2034, the same year projected in last year’s report.”
So, reform of entitlements takes leadership at presidential level. And we finally have leadership at the helm, not the “lead from behind” we had for the last 8 yrs.
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jscheidell; So we have a never ending supply of money for the military complex and NSA that is now spying on the whole world BUT never enough to help ‘entitlements’ that help people survive. Other major countries have money for healthcare and can fund to help those in need. We never do. In fact, it is the next ploy by the GOP to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
We are, I guess, supposed to fund our own healthcare. I got treated at Stanford by cyberknife back in 2008. I was told that those with no insurance were charged $70,000. I had an MRI done at Northwestern done several years ago and Medicare paid around $16,500. I look forward to the time that I have to pay for these services out of my pocket. I won’t even be able to deduct them from my ever rising federal taxes.
I doubt that the huge tax break for the wealthy and corporations is going to help. The $1.5 trillion addition to the deficit isn’t likely to provide more money for needed services for the middle class or the poor. The wealthy will make out beautifully.
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Diane, this country is being brought down by ignorance and greed. How many people will loose healthcare? CDC and China are now putting out news articles on nuclear warfare. CDC is getting prepared by studying possible catastrophic after effects and China openly admits that it has safe places for its leaders to hide. Not a pretty picture and it is being brought to us by a leader who has to prove that he has the biggest nuclear button. I see no reason to take pride in an ignorant con man with no morality nor any policy except enriching himself and possibly his immediate family.
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Here is a totally different and enjoyable topic.Thought you’d enjoy seeing this U-tube video on Angkor Watt.
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Angkor Wat: City Of The God Kings (Ancient Civilisations Documentary) | Timeline
Timeline – World History Documentaries
Published on Jul 15, 2017
Lost Worlds investigates the very latest archaeological finds at three remote and hugely significant sites – Angkor Wat, Troy and Persepolis.
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” The funny part about the joke is you don’t get it and you don’t get Trump.”
We of course all get him: he is a shallow Moron.
“I mean really – the Moron was able to beat Hillary.”
Morons, criminals, dumbasses won battles, were kings, popes, billionaires, presidents, but despite their titles, they stayed morons, criminals and dumbasses, and hence created no lasting value. A rotten apple is a rotten apple no matter what color you paint it.
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Trump’s election proves that many people were easily conned by a master fraudster. In NYC, where Trump was well known as a phony, he didn’t get many votes.
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It seems to me that people put aside their usual doubts when they listen to famous or otherwise successful people, as if they were listening to the word of God. They think successful people are divine and they have a supreme intellect. Even some of my colleagues at the university think that the country should be led by these smart billionaires.
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Right…and now the scuttlebutt is that Oprah might be considering a run
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https://radicalscholarship.wordpress.com/2018/01/09/the-oprah-problem-nothing-new/
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Oprah is into Ed Reform in a big way. I’d so not want to see her on the Democratic ticket.
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Jscheidell: “Send the Ed responsibilities back to the states and localize the solutions.’
You’ve got to be kidding. Pence [and Mitch Daniels] was governor of Indiana and vouchers and charters are the answer to all problems in education. We are a red state with many who vote against their own best interests. It is NOT a state that has any solutions to improve education. It definitely has politicians who do NOT respect public schools and continuously work to underfund them.
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Carolmalaysia,
I thought that was why UNESCO and the UN were to be the solutions?
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This is the 30th topic you bring up. You never try to engage in an argument. Very similar to Trump and other people who get their info-bites from the daily news.
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Mate,
I didn’t bring the topic up carolmalaysia did and I was just reflecting on hers – down to #29 ?
carolmalaysia
January 6, 2018 at 3:18 pm
Diane, I wish we had a Department of Peace and a Department Human Betterment. Think of how much richer mankind would be if all our efforts went into having a World Without War..a world where we worked to help all who are in need.
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jscheidell: carolmalaysia
January 6, 2018 at 3:18 pm
Diane, I wish we had a Department of Peace and a Department Human Betterment. Think of how much richer mankind would be if all our efforts went into having a World Without War..a world where we worked to help all who are in need.
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I am saying the UNITED STATES needs to have these departments. We spend more on the military (killing and destruction) than the next 7 countries combined. We manufacture and export 40% of the world’s killing machinery. We have military in countries most citizens aren’t even aware of. We have been involved in undercover activities to take away democratically elected officials to benefit US corporations. There is ALWAYS money for the military and NSA. There isn’t even any discourse. These bills are automatically passed.
UNESCO and the UN are not doing enough. Millions are going to starve and their funding isn’t enough to prevent a catastrophe. Our priorities are screwed. Only 40% of the world’s population have decent homes. Many are without drinking water. I read that there is only one hospital in all of Africa that helps children who are poor receive treatment for serious heart conditions, and it was built by the Italians. Many children are in need of this type of care due to poor nutrition. Camps for immigrants are seriously underfunded. 600,000+ Rohingya are in camps in Bangledesh, one of the poorest countries on earth. They are being killed by Myanmar soldiers who want to exterminate all of these stateless people.
The US doesn’t even have money for decent healthcare inside the US. Our infrastructure is crumbling. Where is the money for that? We are much too interested in providing for a military and its supporting corporations that are making huge profits at taxpayer expense. We are now involved in wars that will never end. There is too much $$$ involved to ever stop.
We are also much too interested in providing billions of tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations. Did you read an article that I posted stating that some corporations that gave $1000 bonuses are now laying off people?
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jscheidell: I posted a reply that is now in moderation.
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