Secretary Arne Duncan recently announced his plan to judge teacher education programs by their “results,” including the test scores of the students taught by their graduates. If the Ed Schools can’t produce teachers who can raise test scores, Duncan said, they should go out of business. Spoken like a true businessman.
Mike Rose, celebrated author and professor emeritus at UCLA, has six questions for Arne.
He writes:
Six Questions for Secretary Duncan
1. Will you be evaluating with the same metrics all teacher preparation programs, alternative as well as traditional, Teach for America as well as California State University at Northridge or UCLA?
2. If the Department of Education will use close to $100 million per year on grants to forward its agenda, where will that money come from? From other educational programs that serve needy populations? If so, what services or funding will be cut or discontinued because of this reallocation?
3. Policy formation emerges out of staff research, consultation with experts, and political deliberation. What research and consultation leads you to the current project? I ask because your statement about teacher preparation programs needing to improve “or go out of business” as well as your general approach echoes last year’s report from the National Council of Teacher Quality, a report that has been roundly criticized by a wide range of experts.
4. The National Academy of Education recently issued a comprehensive report on evaluating teacher education programs that recommends an approach very different from yours. Have you read it or consulted its authors?
5. There is an increasing number of respected scholarly organizations—the National Academies Board on Testing and Assessment, AERA, the National Academy of Education, the American Statistical Association—that are advising caution in the use of procedures like value-added to evaluate teacher effectiveness. These organizations point to technical, logistical, and conceptual problems in doing so. One conceptual problem imputing causality between teachers’ activity and a test score, for so many other variables come into play. Your stated plan will use student test scores to not only judge teachers, but also the institutions from which they come, introducing another level of questionable causal attribution in your model. You will have a putative causal chain that goes from the student test score to the teacher to the teacher’s training institution. How do you plan to address this basic conceptual problem?
6. The implication in your plan that bad schools will go out of business assumes that all prospective teachers are the economist’s idealized free agents who can go wherever a highly rated program exists. But a number of prospective teachers from lower income backgrounds do not have the finances to travel—or cannot travel because of family obligations and expectations. How will you address the possible unintended consequence of your program placing burdens on this segment of the population?
Thanks, Mike. If I hear from Secretary Duncan, I will post his answers.

Arne Duncan is out of touch and in my opinion, causes disruption and division in education. Teachers must speak out and put pressure on Duncan and the administration in order to stop this nonsense.
LikeLike
Causing DISRUPTION and DIVISION IS the AGENDA. Been so since Reagan.
LikeLike
He isn’t “out of touch.” He is a criminal bought and paid for by criminals.
LikeLike
Arne’s response to all six questions: “Uhhh, ummm, well . . . Let’s not let perfect be the enemy of oligarchy, uh, I mean ‘good.'”
LikeLike
Not sure where to post this…http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2014/05/white_house.html
So much for the debate about Inbloom going away….
LikeLike
Thanks Title One Texas! Student privacy concerns are certainly not going away. My district is compiling teacher data on BloomBoard.
LikeLike
I think question six is very interesting. As I was reading it, I expected to see the sentence “The implication in your plan that bad schools will go out of business assumes that all prospective students are the economist’s idealized free agents….”, but instead the concern was that teachers. Do folks see the primary problem with school closure to be that students would need to seek a different school or that teachers would need to seek a different school?
LikeLike
Yes.
LikeLike
Made me chuckle with that one, Dienne.
LikeLike
If Mike Rose had thought student disruption was a concern on the same level as teacher disruption it might have been put into the question.
LikeLike
Get lost. Schools aren’t businesses. Take your “free market” trash to another board.
And posters, STOP feeding this passive-aggressive troll.
LikeLike
Not really sure what you mean by a business, but in any case I have never said a school is a business. Firms and schools are both organizations that we form to more efficiently cooperate with each other. The same is true for governments and markets.
LikeLike
“Firms and schools are both organizations that we form to more efficiently cooperate with each other.”
Do you define your family in the same terms as well?
LikeLike
No I don’t. Otherwise I would have added it to the list. Not sure what your point is though.
LikeLike
I agree that the disruption caused by churning schools is more of a problem for students. It would be interesting to do a study of transportation costs associated with NYCs school choice system.
LikeLike
I may be mistaken as NYC is far away, but I think most students have always used the existing public transportation network.
LikeLike
Um, when he says “prospective teachers” he means _students_ at the school of education! (Dienne I assume this is what you were implying but it does not seem to have registered)
LikeLike
I think your right.
The usual way to shut down a program though is to stop admitting students, and let those already in the pipeline finish. I don’t think the situation in question 6 would come up often, and certainly not at UCLA or my institution no matter how badly the graduates taught.
LikeLike
te,
The correct contraction is “you’re” in your 2:39 post.
You’re welcome.
LikeLike
Thanks Linda. Any substantive thoughts on the discussion?
LikeLike
Teacher Economist:
This may not fit the topic here but we were discussing this in another thread on this Blog—High School Exit exams but I deleted that thread from my e-mail and found this one where you were leaving comments.
I found a better source that shows 35 states listed as having high school exit exams. Click on each link for each state’s high school exit exam for more details of each exam.
http://www.cep-dc.org/page.cfm?FloatingPageID=23
LikeLike
Lloyd,
A good find, thought you might notice that Kentucky, Maine, North Dakota, and West Virginia are on the list but do not require an exam for a high school degree. Others are fairly limited in their requirements. Arkansas, for example, only requires all students to pass an Algebra 1 level exam. They do seem to be planning to add an English exam next year. Nevada seems to have a pending bill allowing a sufficiently high GPA (along with good behavior and good attendance) to substitute for passing their exam.
Many of the links on the page do give some information about the expected level of competency. Ohio, for example, is consistent with California in requiring all high school graduates be able to be proficient at a ninth grade level.
LikeLike
Ohio has the OGT. Ohio graduation test. They can take it starting in 10th grade. They can take it over until they pass in their senior year. Ithe test changes each time. Prior to this test they could take tests starting in 8th grade. Both of our sons passed in 8th grade. Graduated in 2002 and 2004. No matter what our district scores became and “improved” via NCLB and RttT, the education we imparted as teachers wasn’t as excellent as it was prior to all this nonsense today.
LikeLike
The legislation for the exit exam for California was approved by the state legislature in 1999 and implementation has been a slow process as it should be unlike Obama’s Common Core standards that was wrapped in secrecy and rolled out like it was an invasion similar to D-Day when the allies invaded Europe in World War II.
Now, with this Common Core, everything has been turned upside down and California is backing off of its own standards that looked as if they were working after spending more than a decade developing and adjusting them. From what I’ve read, the last exit exam in California had less than 5% of the students fail it and the on-time high school graduation rate was the highest in the states history.
A decade to get the kids ready so they work harder was paying off. Then BAM, Obama and his attack dog, Arne Duncan roles into town with one goal: destroy the public schools, fire the teachers, break the union and hand over about $700 billion in annual taxes to hedge fund billionaires.
LikeLike
Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Texas Education.
LikeLike
Wow. This is absolutely amazing:
“Let’s give credit where due: A New York University Law School trustee has devised a terrific First Amendment lesson for students.
The trustee, Daniel E. Straus, owns two nursing home companies and is fighting to cut back on sick and vacation days, freeze pensions and demand higher health co-pays for low-wage workers in Connecticut. In New Jersey, he is opposing unionization efforts. The federal labor board has found his company committed more than three dozen labor law violations, and a federal judge recently held one of his companies in contempt.
He heard that two New York University law students supported a union strike to oppose the cuts. These students had circulated a letter taking him to task and requesting a meeting with the law school dean.
Let’s turn the story over to Leo Gertner, a first-year law student. He heard his buzzer ring some weeks ago. At his door, he found a process server, who handed him a federal subpoena.”
LikeLike
I could say something, but I am afraid that I might be subpoenaed. 🙂
LikeLike
It’s easy to predict the results of an Arne Duncan assault on colleges that offer programs for entering the teacher profession.
Colleges in or near urban areas with heavy concentrations of poverty will all fail because many of their teachers probably go to work teaching in those areas.
And I’d be willing to place a bet that Teach for America with its five week summer boot camp on how to teach will earn very high grades from Duncan. For a comparison, my teacher training was through Cal Poly Pomona and lasted an entire school year where I interned full time under the supervision of a master teacher in her fifth grade classroom while attending classes at Cal Poly late in the afternoons.
You may want to read this from The Washington Post about Teach for America’s Dirty Little Secret
“Today, much of TFA’s pre-service preparation program is surprisingly conventional.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/08/15/teach-for-americas-dirty-little-secret/
LikeLike
This is already occurring.
LikeLike
Thank you Dr. Rose for making such strong, salient points that the average person would never consider. I hope your voice will be heard.
LikeLike
“Spoken like a true businessman.”
Diane,
Please don’t insult businessmen and women by affiliating them with the Dunkster. You might be surprised by how many business folk are on our side.
LikeLike
He’s owned by the Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundable, among others. He’s a typical corrupt Chicago pol, just like his boss.
LikeLike
“If I hear from Secretary Duncan, I will post his answers.”
I hope you’re not holding your breath, Diane!
LikeLike
“Before the state math tests began this week, the Success Academy charter school network had left nothing up to chance.
School leaders had provided teachers with color-coded agendas with precise instructions for every few minutes of test days, along with boxes of supplies that might come in handy — from pencils and tissues to extra clothes for students and deodorizing powder to sop up vomit.
Teachers had been taught the proper way to hand out tissues during the test (pass the student a new sheet first, then use a second sheet to grab the used tissue). They knew to set their classroom temperatures to between 66 and 70 degrees, and to call each student’s family every evening before a test to remind them of the next morning’s exam.
On test days, some teachers would take Success-funded cabs to pick up chronically late students (“Taxi Scholars,” as the agendas refer to them). Outside auditors, who had already observed the network’s practice tests, would monitor the real exams to safeguard against charges of test-rigging.
But students were perhaps the most prepared of all. They had spent weeks taking practice tests modeled off the actual state exams. They starred in test “dress rehearsals,” where exact testing conditions were simulated. Some had even practiced tearing perforated reference sheets out of mock test booklets.’
http://ny.chalkbeat.org/2014/05/01/at-success-academy-schools-high-octane-test-prep-leaves-nothing-to-chance/
LikeLike
What madness. That level of test prep not only crowds out authentic instructional time, it also reduces the validity of the assessment results. As James Popham said once, did the student jump over that wall on their own or did they use a test prep stepladder?
LikeLike
The most challenging aspect of Pearson ELA and math items simply CANNOT be prepped. You cant teach IQ+. And that’s what these tests (like most) boil down to – IQ+ tests. The + represents the lifetime of enriching experiences. Still cant teach it.
LikeLike
Correlation is NOT Causation. Any decent high school debater could effectively combat his entire plan.
And I’d amend number 4. Instead of a “yes/no” answer, I’d ask, “After reading this report, how does this data effect the implementation of your program and what will you do differently.”
It’s ridiculous to have an educational leader who claims a “data driven” system is better while ignoring the mounding data to the contrary.
LikeLike
I would like to know where Duncan “earned” his degree. That institution should refund his tuition money…..
LikeLike
No, they should be shut down for producing such an idiotic failure. This man is a FOOL.
LikeLike
Would you believe “Harvard?” At least that’s what has been written.
LikeLike
They are not really interested in an honest debate. They want to impose their will upon us and as our “betters” they expect us to merely accede to their wisdom and guidance. We are, alternately, the self serving pigs that stand in the way of progress or the dregs of academia who should be ignored. They are not accountable by virtue of their wealth and position. Forceful resistance, organized, and with a willingness to sacrifice, will be needed to end this stupidity. Parents and the truth will be our biggest allies. The tide may turn slowly, but I believe it will turn. These people have had more than a decade to prove their points, they have failed, and they can not run from that much longer.
LikeLike
This one is such an overreach that I think even hard-core data crunchers can see its absurdity. Right?
LikeLike
How does he even want to say such stupid things. It is an embarrassing statement. It is just so dumb.
LikeLike
Stay well, Diane. We need you badly.
LikeLike
It’s like firing a teacher in a struggling school because of low test scores, but without first ascertaining that a better teacher is available and willing to take that position. Or closing a school only to reopen it with the same students and community issues.
We tried test-and-punish for 12 years. It has only increased the achievement gap. How about we try holistic problem-solving with less privatization, less bureaucracy and more input from qualified education researchers.
LikeLike