A few months ago, I published a post about the charter schools in Minneapolis, which are expanding rapidly in that city, replacing unionized teachers with young and inexperienced Teach for America teachers.
The burgeoning of charters in Minneapolis has something to do with a very powerful family named Kramer. EduShyster reported that the family is a powerful organization for corporate reform. She writes:
Readers: meet the Minneapolis Kramers. Father Joel is the former publisher of the Minneapolis Star Tribune and took home $8 million when the paper was sold to McClatchy. These days he presides over Minnpost.com and a brood of young rephormers. Son Matt is the president of Teach for America, in charge of TFA’s “overall performance, operations, and effectiveness.” Son Eli, another former TFAer, is the executive director of Hiawatha Academies, a mini charter empire in Minneapolis. Meanwhile, daughter-in-law Katie Barrett-Kramer is a former TFAer who now serves as director of academic excellence at Charter School Partners, a non-profit organization devoted to expanding the number of charters in Minneapolis, including the ones her brother-in-law runs.
Now I have acquired a deep thirst just writing about the Kramer siblings and their dedication to the civil right$ i$$ue of our time. But there’s still more. Matt, who with his brother attended the tony Breck School (which I suspect is likely not a ‘no excuses’ school), also sits on numerous rephorm boards. Matt is the chair of the board of 50Canand a member of the board of Students for Education Reform.
EduShyster returned to the charter-TFA empire of the Kramer family in another post.
Who knew that one family could create a separate school system in a major American city?
In my post on the Minneapolis charters, I noted a study by Myron Orfield and the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity at the University of Minnesota Law School, which was very critical of the charters, saying that they were more segregated than public schools and had worse results. John Bloomberg, an education writer for Bloomberg News, is also cited in the same post, expressing astonishment at the hyper-segregation in the charter schools of Minneapolis.
Now charter advocates have challenged these claims.
Orfield responds to them here.
Charter School Partners’ (CSP) January 6 blog post titled Minnesota Charters 2014: Part I: Building a high-impact charter sector, Closing the opportunity/achievement gap cited recent work by the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity (IMO) updating our work on charter schools in the Twin Cities. The post seriously misrepresents some of our findings and we request that you make this response available on your web site along with your original post. (Readers are invited to download IMO’s original study on charters in the Twin Cities and two updates at http://www.law.umn.edu/metro/school-studies/school-choice.html).
Most importantly, the post implies that our work does not properly control for the fact that charters serve higher percentages of low-income students. This is simply not true. Our work shows that charters still under-perform their traditional counterparts even after controlling for the effects of school poverty rates on reading and math performance.
Two methods were used. A multiple regression analysis demonstrated that charter elementary schools have lower achievement rates on average after controlling for student poverty, race, special education needs, limited language abilities, student mobility rates and school size. Indeed, contrary to the claims in the January 6 post, the most recent statistical results imply that all else equal, the gap between charters and traditional schools widened between 2010-11 and 2012-13. In 2012-13 the proficiency rate for charters was 11.2 percentage points lower than traditional schools for math and 5.9 percentage points lower for reading. In 2010-11 the gaps were just 7.5 for math and 4.4 for reading.
Consistent with the earlier studies and other research, the multiple regression analysis showed that student poverty (measured by eligibility for free or reduced price lunch) was the dominant factor in the performance of schools in 2012-13. In 2012-13, the math performance of students in only 31 percent of charter schools was better than what would be expected given their poverty rate alone. The rest, 69 percent, under-performed expectations. Consistent with the regression analysis, this represented a significant step back from 2010-11 when 51 percent of charters out-performed expectations. Similarly, the reading performance of students in just 36 percent of charter schools was better than expected (compared to 39 percent in the 2010-11 analysis).
These results and other analysis in the report also refute the statement that the IMO “study ignores the impact of that high-achieving charters are having on these critical populations.” IMO’s study does in fact acknowledge that a few high-poverty charters are performing very well. But it also shows that a larger number of high-poverty charters are performing very poorly, even when accounting for the fact that they serve mostly low-income students. In fact, Charts 5 and 6 in the report clearly show that there are more students in under-performing charters than in the high-achieving ones.
While IMO acknowledges that a few charters are doing well, CSP essentially ignores all of the charters that are doing poorly. Only the “Strategic Framework” schematic in the post acknowledges poorly performing charters at all and it does so with an illustration that badly understates the size of the problem. Even in CSP’s own chart later in the post (“Minneapolis Charter Schools – 3 Year Average”), poorly performing charters greatly outnumber high-performing charters.
CSP is correct when they note that the data now available to IMO does not allow us to fully compare the impact of charter and traditional schools on individual students. However, if positive impacts on individual students are greater in charters then one would expect the proficiency gap between charters and traditionals to narrow over time. Once again, this is not what is happening. Despite the fact that a few charters seem to have shown improvement, the gap has actually widened in recent years. It is also worth noting that the method used in the CREDO study cited in the post does not represent the gold standard of analysis in this field, raising complicated research questions well beyond the scope of these comments that IMO addressed in its original study.
The post also says that, because the IMO study is region-wide, the work “ignores compelling data that show that charters in Minneapolis and St. Paul are significantly outperforming district schools…” We believe the region-wide scale is appropriate for a variety of reasons. Most importantly, charters are growing rapidly in the suburbs and suburban charters now represent about 40 percent of total regional charter school enrollment. In addition, school choice programs—the Choice is Yours Program in particular—make a number of suburban schools available to low-income city students, implying that the proper comparison group is in fact regional. (IMO’s work shows that, in contrast with the results for charters, schools available to low-income students through the Choice is Yours Program tend to out-perform their traditional and charter peers after controlling for poverty and other school characteristics.)
Nor does restricting the IMO analysis to Minneapolis and St. Paul provide the kind of “compelling” evidence of superior charter performance that CSP claims. When the statistical analyses described above are repeated for city schools alone the results show no advantages for charters. Not surprisingly, the multiple regression analysis (which controls for poverty and other school characteristics) shows that the gap is narrower in the cities but the results still imply that, all else equal, charters in the cities under-perform their traditional peers. (The gaps are roughly three percentage points for both tests. The coefficients are negative, but not statistically significant. While this is admittedly only weak evidence that city charters do worse, it is certainly not “compelling” evidence that they do better.)
The simpler comparisons controlling only for low-income percentages show similar results. City charters are slightly more likely to perform more poorly than expected given their poverty rates than traditional schools.
Finally, it is important to note that IMO’s studies look at much more than simply school performance (however defined). IMO’s original study and two updates have also examined:
- Whether the charter system is more or less segregated than traditional schools. They are much more segregated and the situation is not improving. A disturbing proportion of charters in the Twin Cities are essentially single-race schools. In sharp contrast with the traditional system, where the percentage of schools which are integrated has increased steadily, the share of integrated charter schools has been stagnant. As a result, charter school students of all races are much more likely to be attending segregated schools than their counterparts in traditional schools.
- The effects on the Minneapolis and St. Paul school districts of enrollment declines resulting from charters. Rapid enrollment declines hurt the districts because they require costly actions like school closures, teacher and staff cutbacks, and administrative reorganizations. As a result, districts losing students must devote effort and resources to deal with the costs of decline, often to the detriment of other educational priorities. Minneapolis and St. Paul now lose between 15 and 20 percent of their resident students to charters and more than half of total enrollment losses in the last decade have been to charters. As a result, both districts have teetered from one financial crisis to another.
- Charter school closures. Although data for this is hard to come by, press coverage of closures suggests that charters are more likely to close as the result of financial mismanagement or, in some cases, malfeasance than because of the poor performance that many exhibit.
- The growing, negative effects of suburban charters on the ability of traditional districts to pursue pro-integrative reforms. Increasing numbers of predominantly white suburban charters are locating near significantly more diverse traditional schools—schools which are often unstable and vulnerable to rapid racial and economic transitions. Whether by intent or not, more and more suburban charters are facilitating white flight from increasingly diverse traditional schools in the suburbs.
CSP seems to have little to say about these topics, only promising to discuss closures in a future post. Test results are not the only thing that schools produce. CSP should abandon its blinkered view and widen its work to include the very significant problems with the state’s current charter model.

What, no Joe Nathan rushing here to tell us how wonderful Minneapolis charters are, and how they’re run by real teachers, not corporate foundations and profiteers?
I’m sure the spin will be forthcoming…
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Sorry to disappoint, CT, but I’d say the charter movement, like district schools in Minnesota, are a “mixed bag.” It is a fact, however, that low income students, students of color, and students who are English language learners are over-represented in charters, both in Minneapolis and in the state.
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Your spin never fails to disappoint, Joe. Too bad your efforts continue to go towards promoting those “mixed bag” charters where children with special needs are under-represented and which siphon funds and resources from public schools that have no foundation funding.
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Conservative America is always offering/giving the poor less and pretending they were given more.
America elite celebrate chater schools but not for their children. If it was a better system or so fantastic why are they not being embraced by affluent districts? The suburban districts use them as a cover or excuse to practice racism and or segregattion. Without an effective public school system the flame for the melting pot will be out.
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And yet growing numbers of low income families and families of color are selecting them. Why do you suppose that its? They are over-represented in both Minneapolis and the state…and the vast majority of charters that are “beating the odds” with low income and students of color in Minneapolis and ST Paul are charters.
Though test scores are not the only important way to measure schools, perhaps those low income families and families of color know something and are making wise decisions. Perhaps they want for their children what wealthy white parents already have – the choice to send their children to integrated schools, or the choice to send their children to “public schools” where 80-90 % of the children look like them.
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“Without an effective public school system the flame for the melting pot will be out.”
Terrific line, Greg! And very sad truth.
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In response to Mr. Nathan’s comment about charters beating the odds. The few that do have a lower amount of SPED and or ESL students than their public school counterparts. They also have higher attrition rates, suspension rates and strict academic policies that allow for students to be “pushed out”, and lower class sizes. Also more importantly is the fact that in MPS, The % of SPED students that are level 3 and above is over 30%. Minneapolis Charters that number is around 8%. Simply put public schools educate all that walk through the door. Charters self select. There is no way getting around that fact. I am sure one of the schools Mr. Nathan is talking about is Harvest prep which BTW has a 0% ESL populations and 7% sped. Neighboring Bethune is at 23%.3 times as many. In fact Lake Harriet has a higher SPEd % than Harvest. Please stop comparing charters to public schools because they simply serve different student populations. MPS serves all that walk through the door.
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In response to Mr. Nathan’s comment about charters beating the odds. The few that do have a lower amount of SPED and or ESL students than their public school counterparts. They also have higher attrition rates, suspension rates, strict academic policies that allow for students to be “pushed out”, and lower class sizes. Also more importantly is the fact that in MPS, The % of SPED students that are level 3 and above is over 30%. Minneapolis Charters that number is around 8%. Simply put public schools educate all that walk through the door. Charters that “beat the odds” have a systematic self selection process. There is no way getting around that fact. I am sure one of the schools Mr. Nathan is talking about is Harvest prep which BTW has a 0% ESL populations and 7% sped. Neighboring Bethune is at 23%.3 times as many. In fact Lake Harriet has a higher SPEd % than Harvest. Please stop comparing charters to public schools because they simply serve different student populations.
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Having served as the (invited) chair of the accreditation team for the Minneapolis Contract alternative public schools, I heard hundreds of stories of students who had been pushed or kicked out of Minneapolis Public Schools – or who were “Strongly encouraged to leave.”
If you have not done so, you might talk with students attending contract alternative schools. They’ll tell you how welcome they were in MPS. Now the state high school principals association has asked for and received the right to place students in alternative schools.
MPS also pushes some of its students (mostly African American males) into a school named for one of the great civil rights leaders in Minneapolis – W Harry Davis. What a sad way to honor a wonderful leader.
Where do you teach, Mr. Boucher? Have you ever visited the W. Harry Davis school? Have you ever visited any of the contract alternative schools and talked with students who have been pushed or encouraged to leave MPS and enter the contract alternatives?
I’ve spent time at several of the schools mentioned in Mr. Boucher’s note. Have you spent time there? I find them to be places of great respect for students and high expectations.
Perhaps that is why for example, Harvest, Friendship, Hiawatha, Minneapolis Academy and others are attracting so many inner city African American and Latino students.
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MPS transfers students to other MPS schools for severe case of violence and sexual assault. I am not debating that. I am however challenging your claim of charters like Harvest “beating the odds” They limit disruptive students with strict parental acknowledgement contracts, serve fewer SPED’s and or ESL’s than their neighboring schools, and have higher attrition rates. Also what Odds are they beating. Your definition of beating the odds is based on 1 standardized test a year. The students are subjected to test prep drill and are being taught to the test all year long. These kids are not getting a well rounded education. They are being judged by one type of test without regard to each student’s unique skills, intelligences or talents. Joe, this is not education. We all know it.
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David, it appears that you are a kg teacher from the MPS website. If that’s not true, I apologize.
Either way, many, many Minneapolis secondary students over the last 20 years have been “encouraged or “pushed out” of MPS schools to attend contract alternative schools. As mentioned in a previous email, I interviewed hundreds of them as part of a North Central Accreditation Review.
Second, I’d encourage you and others to visit Harry Davis. I know a fair amount that place. It’s a travesty.
Third – I agree that a single measure (standardized tests) is not a good measure of schools. I said so in Senate testimony today and have written newspaper articles about this. But when you compare performance of low income students, African American and Hispanic – at several of the charters we’ve been discussing, they are doing better than similar students not only in Mpls but also in a number of suburbs.
As to what’s happening in Hiawatha, Harvest, Friendship, I don’t agree that it is year long test prep. Youngsters are working on art projects. At Friendship, they are studying famous people , writing about them and then giving brief speeches about them.
Thousands of African American and Hispanic families are selecting these schools for their kids. I think they should have that right.
Are you proposing that those schools should be closed and that their students should be forced to attend MPS?
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No I don’t propose that. What I do propose is that reformers stop comparing charters that “beat the odds” to MPS. They are serving 2 different populations of students. You contradict yourself by saying you testified against standardized testing (which if true is great) yet claim these schools are outperforming other MPS schools. The reason they are (if you buy into standardized tests as being the only measure) is the reasons I have stated in my 2 previous posts. Harvest 7% SPED 0%ESL 0% level 3. Bethune 23% SPED with DSD level 3 students. Laney 23% SPED which includes CLASS level 3 SPED program. Harvest is not beating any odds. They simply have fewer students with special needs. You know as well as I that makes a difference in test scores. As an alum of the district as well as someone with children in the district I am very proud of what we do and am tired of the basing by the media and people who want to privatize education through charters.
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David, in your teacher prep program did anyone discuss the huge opposition to SE Alternatives in Mpls? It appears you attended the SE Free School. Is that true?
If yes did you hear how the district administration closed the SE Free school over the deep protests of many teachers, parents and students. You continue to talk about “privatization” – there was huge opposition to letting families in the SE opposition have choices. The idea grew in Mpls and elsewhere despite opposition because so many students gained from it, teachers liked the opportunity to create distinctive programs, and families liked choices.
Ever heard of St. Paul Open School? A distinctive school created by a group of parents, community people and educators – also vigorously opposed by many educators. Did any of this show up in your teacher training program? Did anyone share the history of public school choice in Minneapolis and St. Paul, which was established and grew, despite considerable opposition.
I thought I’d ask since we’re going back and forth with the same points.
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First of all you are dodging the point of why “beat the odds” schools actually beat the odds”. I will not post the stats again because I think you get the point. And to save you some more time researching my biography I’ll tell you I also went to Wilder Open and South Open. Yes I’m aware of the SE alternative schools which were not charters. They were public schools run by MPS. Marcy Open was one of them and is still open. There are also magnets like Folwell where I teach, and Dowling that provide choice for parents. What we have now are charters expanding based on standardized test scores. This is what I object to. Harvest just got a big grant from General mills and Cargill to open more schools. All because they are being rewarded for good standardized test scores. No one cares that they serve a lower amount of SPEDs, have 0 level 3 SPED’s and have o ESL’s according to the MN Dept of Ed., and have a high suspension and attrition rate. I am not against choice, I am against reformers using standardized test scores to compare the few charters that do well to neighboring MPS schools. By the way the Free school taught us to fight for social justice. We were allowed to learn about subjects we were interested in. It taught us how to problem solve and critically think about issues. We had strong arts, science and Social studies curriculums. All of these things are severely lacking in all schools now. We were also not held hostage to standardized test scores which is why we had the flexibility to have a well rounded education. BTW, have you seen Harvest’s science scores. Also I suggest you watch a Standardized. It may shed some light on what’s going on in education.
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Glad you learned to fight for social justice. That’s what a number of parents at Harvest, HIgher Ground, Global, Hiawatha, TC International and other similar schools feel they are getting for their children.
You and I agree schools should not be measured just by test scores. A lot of families who sent their children to the schools mentioned above are not interested just in test scores. Here’s a front page NY Times article that helps explain what attracts some families to these schools.
Fortunately MFT leadership including Lynn Nordgren has recognized that there need to be a broader array of options in Minneapolis. Unfortunately the district administration has not been very receptive to MFT’s efforts to help teachers start self/site governed schools, similar to what Boston (district) teachers have been able to do.
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David Boucher, forgive Joe. He has blinders on where charters are concerned. He abandons critical thinking and skepticism. He will defend them no matter how many frauds are exposed.
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Actually, Diane, I’ve often criticized charters.
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Or maybe those low income families don’t realize they are not getting what wealthy families get because, “…Twin Cities charter schools underperform traditional public schools and continue to be highly segregated by race and income”
http://www1.umn.edu/news/news-releases/2013/UR_CONTENT_458731.html
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A number of the Twin Cities charters are out-performing district schools. But I get the drift – those parents don’t know what’s good for them.
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Oh wait, wealthy families in the Minneapolis suburbs want segregation by race and income and get that at charters, too: “A new round of segregation plays out in charter schools”
http://www.minnpost.com/education/2013/07/new-round-segregation-plays-out-charter-schools
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A number of the suburbs already are 85-90% white, CT. Where do you live? Do you have children? IF so, where do they attend school?
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Right, if wealthy white people want segregation by race and income, it must be good for everyone.
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As Bill Wilson, first African American elected to the St. Paul City Council, first to be elected St. Paul city council president, later appointed by a Democratic Gov to be Minnesota Commissioner of Human Rights – was forced to attend inferior schools when he was growing up because of his skin color. He had no choice.
He has gone on to found a “beat the odds” charter in St. Paul with a long waiting list. He points out here that there is a huge difference between being assigned to an inferior school, and being offered an option among a number of them.
Click to access Wilson-B_Nathan-J_11-16-12.pdf
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Many African American parents across the country have their kids enrolled in segregated military style test prep factories. In no way does that mean those are the best schools for children of color.
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Is it any coincidence that the “Bill Wilson” Joe mentions runs the “Higher Ground Academy” charter school in St. Paul, where Joe’s corporate ed reform-funded “Center for School Change” also operates? Bill Wilson and “Higher Ground,” have many allegations against them for shutting parents out, denying SPED services to students, switching student populations/focus in order to target a more vulnerable immigrant population (East African families)…the list goes on. Profit motives and exclusionary power grabs must be recognized in this celebration of “beat the odds” schools.
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Bill, Wilson, first African American elected to the St. Paul City Council, first to be elected City Council chair, former Mn State Commissioner of Human Rights, has won numerous awards for his work over more than 50 years of effort.
There are so many students who are waiting to get into Higher Ground Academy that they are opening a second school in fall, 2014.
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So here’s my question. Do charter schools have any broader community responsibility beyond their schools or groups of schools?
My public school district is very diverse in terms of income. It’s a (small) city district in a rural county, so we have kids from every imaginable income level, because 99% of our kids go to public schools.
If a charter were to open here and a large group of the wealthier kids left our public schools two things would happen, our test scores would drop and there would be less local support (financial and otherwise) for our schools because we would then have a fragmented system, with two “sectors”. That would make it much more difficult for our public schools.
Would the charter operator be responsible for that effect on the larger community or is it all just market forces where there are winners and losers?
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Charter schools have no civic responsibility. That’s why, whether they are for-profit or non-profit, most have appointed boards stacked with people from outside the community and they have no PTAs.
Many parents don’t realize this lack of democratic representation or really any say whatsoever in their children’s school is a serious issue until they have a concern about the charter and the charter tells them they are welcome to shop for another school. When they turn to the district for help, they’re often told the same thing. You don’t like McDonalds? Go to Burger King.
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“Many parents don’t realize this lack of democratic representation”
Thanks, and the small “d” democratic function of public schools is obviously important to me or I probably wouldn’t be reading this blog 🙂
That’s a little different than my question, though. If I have a strong public school system (I do, not so much in terms of test scores which go up and down but in terms of community support) and charters come in and the result of that is weaker public schools, what do I have then?
What did I accomplish? Haven’t I just fragmented my student population with no real gains in “public schools”? In my state, where we have vouchers, we could be talking about fragmentation and disruption across three systems- public, charter and private. Is there any consideration given to what happens that the schools that were there when the charter comes in? There’s no guarantee “disruption” will be positive. In fact, to imagine disruption of an existing system will be all winners no losers, all upside, no downside is delusional.
Is any consideration given to the downside of ed reform-what happens to existing public schools?
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Poster Ken Esq pointed out that regulations governing charters differ from state to state, and argues that parental and community influence is greater in Florida Charter schools than in large school districts like Palm Beach.
The post can be found here: https://dianeravitch.net/2014/02/05/if-your-school-fails-open-another-one-preferably-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-451098
It seems to me that we might want to distinguish between charters that have significant local input, like Community Roots Charter School in Brooklyn, New York, and ones that do not. Perhaps there should be a regulatory requirement that members of the community serve on the board of trustees of charter schools.
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Many parents don’t realize this lack of democratic representation or really any say whatsoever in their children’s school is a serious issue until they have a concern about the charter and the charter tells them they are welcome to shop for another school. /unquote
This is it in a nutshell–parents don’t realize what they are losing when their public schools close. They don’t realize they’re getting McSchools. They don’t realize that if they don’t like charter schools, they will be told to choose another….charter school…..which will give them the same sub-standard education.
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Chiara, there is no consideration for the impact of charters (or vouchers) on public schools –not by charter schools, voucher schools, or the politicians who enacted these laws. This is why parents and teachers have to work together to hold onto their public schools.
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Joe Nathan, give it a rest already. Poor David Boucher has a real job to attend to.
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So do I. Last time I check, no one is forcing any of us to post here.
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Anyone here expert on desegregation law? If charters end up reversing segregation gains that occurred in the 70s, will the Supreme Court intervene again?
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THIS right leaning Supreme Court which has ruled that dollars equal free speech…? Which has seriously weakened voting rights law…?
In a word, NO.
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Wow, I’ve often used the term “incestuous” to describe the world of the so-called reformers, but I thought I was speaking metaphorically. However, this post shows that it’s literally true.
Given the TFA provenance of these folks, one can only imagine that the smugness, self-satisfaction and deception that rings off the family dinner table.
Oh, and Joe Nathan, we’re waiting for you to remind us that charters are really “public” schools…
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Did urban districts realize what they were doing when they opened their doors to Teach Across America? I for one never suspected what was to follow. Now there is nothing good from Camden, nothing good from Newsrk, nothing good from Jersey City, actually if you are from urban NJ and not from another state you can not be good!!
History tell me when the rich come knocking at the poor man door it is usually to take not give. The urban community has turned into the latest trough of exploitation for the rich, connected, and corporate America.
Why are they not going to the affluent
and palatial suburbs selling their snake oil?’
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teachingeconomist
February 7, 2014 at 9:37 am
Poster Ken Esq pointed out that regulations governing charters differ from state to state, and argues that parental and community influence is greater in Florida Charter schools than in large school districts like Palm Beach.
The post can be found here: https://dianeravitch.net/2014/02/05/if-your-school-fails-open-another-one-preferably-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-451098
It seems to me that we might want to distinguish between charters that have significant local input, like Community Roots Charter School in Brooklyn, New York, and ones that do not.”
Okay, but that doesn’t answer my question either. Schools are systems. Communities are systems. One can’t tinker with one piece without affecting all the other pieces. Just plucking out individual charters won’t work anymore. There are too many of them to continue to ignore their effect in the aggregate.
Again, is any consideration given to the effect of these schools on the existing public schools and the larger community? An increase in segregation is one effect. What are the others?
The assumption that this will be all upside with no downside seems to me to be naive to the point of lunacy. They can’t ignore that. It has to be addressed, and it has to be addressed in a more rigorous way than “there are good charters and bad charters”. This isn’t happening in isolation. There are existing public schools in these places and community concerns. What is the NET effect of two school systems, or three?
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I would have to say that if you count charter schools as a separate system, there are typically three school systems. The largest is the traditional public system educating about 85% of students, the next largest is the private system educating about 10% of students, and charter schools is the smallest educating about 5% of students. In my town there are really two systems, the public and the private. The only charter school in the town is run by the school board, so I don’t count it as a separate system, though perhaps others on this blog might.
Economists generally assume policy choices represent a balance of tradeoffs, so I certainly do not think that “there are no downsides” to allowing students to choose which school to attend. Lowering neighborhood cohesion, for example, is a downside of this policy, but I think it is outweighed by allowing schools more freedom to specialize in their approach to education.
Perhaps it would be best if you could elaborate on the particular impact you believe choice schools have on existing public schools so we could consider them one at a time.
Increased segregation, especially when it does not come from government regulation like district and catchment boundaries, is a particularly difficult point. Among the most racially segregated post secondary institutions are the historically black colleges and universities that are now under great financial and economic strains due to the desegregation of historically white colleges and universities (see the recent news reports about Howard, for example). Should we condemn those institutions or praise them?
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Actually, the information Ken Esq. provided about FL is incorrect.
According to FL legislation:
“(d)1. Each charter school’s governing board must appoint a representative to facilitate parental involvement, provide access to information, assist parents and others with questions and concerns, and resolve disputes. The representative must reside in the school district in which the charter school is located and may be a governing board member, charter school employee, or individual contracted to represent the governing board. If the governing board oversees multiple charter schools in the same school district, the governing board must appoint a separate individual representative for each charter school in the district. The representative’s contact information must be provided annually in writing to parents and posted prominently on the charter school’s website if a website is maintained by the school. The sponsor may not require that governing board members reside in the school district in which the charter school is located if the charter school complies with this paragraph.”
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=1000-1099/1002/Sections/1002.33.html
Also, Community Roots charter school in NY is unfortunately an aberration, not the norm.
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Cosmic,
This section seems consistent with Ken Esq. post that “The boards have to be local and most contracts require a parent representative.” and there is also the requirement that the governing board of the school must hold two public meetings every school year. It would seem to me that having governing boards for each school would be more appealing than the giant school districts of Florida for those on the blog that advocate for local control.
I agree that Community Roots might be an unusual charter school, but the demand of many who post here to close charter schools would close Community Roots (and a variety of other charter schools that have great merit) along with all the others. Perhaps there could be a more nuanced discussion of the appropriate regulatory structure of charter schools that would address the concerns of many while leaving room for an alliance with those that support effective choice schools.
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“The sponsor may not require that governing board members reside in the school district in which the charter school is located if the charter school complies with this paragraph”
That is NOT consistent with the claim that boards must be local, when all they have to do is hire someone to be their parent liaison. And there is no requirement that there be a parent on the board.
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as to segregation, that solution has been known for a long time: don’t do it. In practical terms, let students attend a school of their choice. The conservatives hate this idea, because schools are funded by property taxes and, once anyone can go to any public school, there’s no “incentive” to earn more to pay for a better school. I think, to a large degree, racial segration ended some time ago, but not wealth segregation. The fact of the matter is that some schools are better than others.
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The current Minneapolis Federation of Teachers President, Lynn Nordgren, has sat back for too many years and watched this all unfold passively. She has, in fact, been very helpful to her friend, Brad Blue, who just opened a charter school for rich white kids, Upper Mississippi Academy. She praises Blue and has manipulated her rank and file into thinking somehow she and Blue are above reproach. If Minneapolis Public Schools are going to survive, she needs to go.
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Beware of voucher for the rich to send there kids to private schools! That is what is coming. All of this will set up separate and unequal schools across America!!
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It’s not about rich versus poor, it’s about Christian schools funded with taxpayer dollars. (IMHO)
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I believe in public funding for public schools. The public school system is the last great society program to teach our children how to live together, play together, respect each other, and most important how to be an American. The public school system is interfaith, nondenominational, built on individual rights. You tell me what charter school will have a Christian, Jew, Moslem, Muslim,
Hindu, and an atheist in the same class.
Where else will the haves and the have nots be treated equal based on their individual gifts. We have fought a long time to take down the walls created by racism and segregation. Why would we embrace a new educational system base on segragation and class warfare
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In general the “haves” and “have nots” go to school in very different school districts creating very different funding levels and opportunities for the students. Traditional public education reinforces the SES segregation of housing in the United States.
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I am very familiar with the social economic separation between communities. New Jersey is one of the most segregated school system due to this systemic reality. The proliferation of charter schools is dividing communities between sub groups who would otherwise coexists.
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How many district schools have all those youngsters together in the same class, Greg? Is that your definition of “public”?
There are some great district & some great charter that bring a variety of youngsters together. There also are many suburban district schools that have very small percentages of low income youngsters, and students of color.
Who forced student to leave the Camden district schools? No one.
The district system had many tiers long before charters. There were (and are) affluent suburban district schools, some of which hire detectives to make students from low income families don’t send their kids to those schools. There were and are elite “magnet” schools that use standardized tests to exclude all but a tiny number of youngsters.
Then there are neighborhood and charter public schools, open to all.
Many advocates of public education, whether district or charter, oppose funding for private or parochial k-12 schools. I’m one of them.
Joe
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I have extensive public school exposure nationally but limited charter school experience out side New Jersey other than Philadelphia . I have seen very few chater schools play by the rules. Very few actually strive to meet the benchmark requirements of their charter. This is a horrific problem. ( I have totally restructured a charter school to put it back on track.)
Special interest groups have a tendency to protect and promote their special interest. What I am afraid of is this growing self serving mentality that take on the posture all I care about is my child.
This attitude led to thousands and thousands of children taken out of public school in the old south just because black student had been admitted. Where would this country be if they had the charter option?
I am encourage with the changes the new mayor of NYC is initiating. He truly have a handle on this situation. Laws must be made for the general good not to provide competitive advantage to subgroups in
self designed segregated environments.
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Brad Blue works for The Guild, which is a charter school authorizer created in part by the Gates Foundation and Lynn Nordgren, president of the Minneapolis Federation of Teachers. The Guild is housed INSIDE the MFT. Brad Blue spends part of his days working at the MFT for The Guild. Meanwhile, his new non-union charter school, Upper Mississippi Academy, is a Charter Schools Partners school. Strange indeed.
Check it out for yourself at the Charter Schools Partners website.
http://www.cee-trust.org/members/profiles.aspx?id=25,
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The Minneapolis Public Schools did not respond very well to Lynn’s efforts to create within-district options, similar to Boston Pilot Schools. So Lynn applied for & received funds from the American Federation of Teachers for help set up the nation’s first charter authorizing group that is affiliated with a teacher’s union.
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Never in my life time has the rich and or affluent (Republicans) ever supported anything for the poor or working poor unless there was a profit in it for them.
Corporate $$$, decimating the the teaching profession, increase educational segregation, total undermining the public school system is the by product of the charter school movement in America. The rich, the powerful are considering charter schools as an option for their kids.
The affluent and the sprawling suburbanites will fight charter schools with all they have if the school is in there neighborhood. ( Ask Princeton/West Windsor Plainsboro went to court to prevent a “Mandarin
Based charter school from opening)
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Greg, in several states there are terrific charters including California, Colorado, and Minnesota.
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I agree there are some “good” charter school but they are the exception and not the rule. The public school system has been the actual “melting pot” for America. Very few if any have facilities to match the palatial palaces of affluent suburban districts. Once you introduce
For profit to the equation students become secondary to $$$$.
Everyone across the country is talking about the once great Camden High School. After a medical arts high school took the too 75 kids per grade level, then a performing arts high school took 59 kids per grade level, business magnate took 25 per grade level, local parochial schools give scholarships to all Div. 1 prospects, and then there is the “Leap” academy located on the Rutgers of Camden Campus and funded by Roberts Wood foundation what is left to the student body after such a devastation to the student body.
Then to top it off 150 students wearing security bracelets are sent back to neighborhood school in lieu of doing their time for their crime. All of this is having a devastating effect on public education.
Charter schools had a nitch now they have evolved into a cancer that devastating urban education. The horror stories out number the outstanding institutions. The great education experiment is going to create a two tier system. Separate and unequal. The courts will have to step in.
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Right, the funds came from AFT via Bill Gates!! Both she and the AFT both have sold out teachers, public school children and communities.
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Orfield’s analysis also ignores the loss of thousands of Minneapolis district students to a a school choice program involving suburban public schools. This is a program he has pushed hard. Results from that program are very mixed – some years the kids who leave show greater growth on standardized tests, some years the kids who stay in MPS show greater growth.
The suburban school choice program also has had a significant problem with retention of students, in part because some inner city students have found that they are not welcome in some suburban schools.
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Never leave racism, segregation, and cultural shock out of this equation.
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The AFT and the EAA most work to unionize all educational institution.
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I can not believe our great country struggling with basic human rights issues. We are headed into a two tier system that will be far worse than separate and equal. We will be in a separate and unequal. Segregation,
racism and profits are the new driving force for educational decision.
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Nope – separation and inequity was when we got with suburbs, some of which hire detectives to keep.
Separation and inequity is what we get from elite “magnet” schools that were and allowed to keep kids out that can’t pass their standardized admissions tests.
Empowering low income parents to help start new schools, and to select among various schools, including both district and charter, is not sufficient, but is a valuable empowerment. So Mr. Allen, do you have children and if so, where do they attend?
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