We hear repeatedly about the shortage of qualified
engineers and the need for more science, technology, and
mathematics majors. I am all for that. I would also like to see
more majors in the arts, philosophy, history, government,
literature, and world languages. This reader–who signs as
“Democracy”–offers thoughts about “the STEM crisis”–and examines
the role of Lockheed Martin’s Norman Augustine, who has been
outspoken on this and other educational subjects. (See his defense
of standardized
testing here.). And more on “the STEM crisis” here.
But Augustine and the president of Cornell wrote an article
stressing the importance of the humanities and foreign languages
here,
while making a case for the Common Core. All seem to be about jobs
and national competitiveness, the aims of the day. . “Democracy”
writes: It seems that former Lockeed CEO Norm Augustine was invited
to tour Charlottesville-area public schools, where
he touted his brand of corporate “reform” and lauded
schools for their STEM (science, technology, engineering, math)
focus, which goes under the rubric of “21st-century education.” As
CEO at Martin Marietta, Augustine brokered the merger of that
company with Lockheed to produce Lockheed Martin and got taxpayers
to subsidize nearly a billion dollars of the merger cost, including
tens of millions in bonuses for executives (Augustine netted over
$8 million). And then the merged company laid off thousands of
workers. The promised efficiencies and cost savings to the
government (and taxpayers) have yet to materialize. Lockheed Martin
is is now the largest of the big defense contractors, yet its
government contracts are hardly limited to weapons systems. While
Lockheed has broadened its services, it is dependent on the
government and the taxpayers for its profits. It’s also #1 on the ”
‘contractor misconduct’ database” which tracks contract abuse and
misconduct. Meanwhile, while Norm Augustine touts the need for more
STEM graduates (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) and STEM
teachers for public schools, Lockheed is laying off thousands of
engineers. Research studies show there is no STEM shortage, but
Augustine says (absurdly) that it’s critical to American economic
“competitiveness.” A 2004 RAND study “found no consistent and
convincing evidence that the federal government faces current or
impending shortages of STEM workers…there is little evidence of
such shortages in the past decade or on the horizon.” The RAND
study concluded “if the number of STEM positions or their
attractiveness is not also increasing” –– and both are not –– then
“measures to increase the number of STEM workers may create
surpluses, manifested in unemployment and underemployment.” A 2007
study by Lowell and Salzman found no STEM shortage (see:
http://www.urban.org/publications/411562.html ). Indeed, Lowell and
Salzman found that “the supply of S&E-qualified graduates
is large and ranks among the best internationally. Further, the
number of undergraduates completing S&E studies has grown,
and the number of S&E graduates remains high by historical
standards.” The “education system produces qualified graduates far
in excess of demand.” Lowell and Salzman concluded that “purported
labor market shortages for scientists and engineers are anecdotal
and also not supported by the available evidence…The assumption
that difficulties in hiring is just due to supply can have
counterproductive consequences: an increase in supply that leads to
high unemployment, lowered wages, and decline in working conditions
will have the long-term effect of weakening future supply.” Lowell
and Salzman noted that “available evidence indicates an ample
supply of students whose preparation and performance has been
increasing over the past decades.”
Any discussion of shortages regarding STEM majors vs. social sciences and/or humanities majors overlooks an important point relative to a country’s competitive advantage and its workforce education or preparation.
And that is the importance of a country’s institutions. In fact, research has shown that the stability of a country’s political and economic institution is the number factor in determining its competitive advantage.
In fact, what the political/economic system is called ( capitalist, socialist, communist ) is not nearly as important as how people perceive their societies strength in protecting the fruits of their labors. China is a perfect example because its system has a communist label but its institutions protect and reward private investment which releases the impetus for the creation of wealth. Simply put, people have confidence that there is effective recourse if someone tries to take their stuff.
The point to all of this is to say that each generation of Americans has to learn history, political science, and at least some rudimentary economics to continue the strong tradition of our political/economic system to help maintain our international competitive advantage.
If we emphasize STEM education and do not make sure our kids understand the workings and importance of the rule of law, then we are in danger of our republican institutions being subverted by oligarchical interests and we will become a banana state.
Excellent comment. What this country really needs is students who are prepared to major in biochemistry AND art, or engineering AND philosophy…
I wrote a post a few days ago (http://waynegersen.com/2013/09/07/stem-myth-and-shareholder-primacy/) based on a IEEE Spectrum post I read and got to through Naked Capitalism (http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth). Here’s the most telling quote from the IEEE post: “Clearly, powerful forces must be at work to perpetuate the cycle (whereby there is periodic hand wringing over STEM shortages). One is obvious: the bottom line. Companies would rather not pay STEM professionals high salaries with lavish benefits, offer them training on the job, or guarantee them decades of stable employment. So having an oversupply of workers, whether domestically educated or imported, is to their benefit. It gives employers a larger pool from which they can pick the “best and the brightest,” and it helps keep wages in check. No less an authority than Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, said as much when in 2007 he advocated boosting the number of skilled immigrants entering the United States so as to “suppress” the wages of their U.S. counterparts, which he considered too high.” THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BOTTOM LINE….
Hear, hear, Brutus! Thank you.
IEEE Spectrum • The STEM Crisis Is A Myth
And don’t forget, STEM is just METS spelled backwards …
And the “Pond Scum” are where they should be in the standings.
Ouch!!! That hurt.
lol…that was good
Isn’t it also a bit of a false dichotomy? Don’t STEM people need liberal arts? Don’t liberal arts people need science? When I’m ruler of the world (ahem), college students will be required to double major or at least minor in (seemingly) diametrically opposed subjects. Then maybe they will start to understand that there are different ways to look at the world and that it’s all related.
I’m not much for large lecture classes, but the best I ever had was “Physics for Poets” taught by Leon Lederman, a Nobel prize winning physicist. He had a deep grasp of not only physics (of course) but vast areas of the humanities as well and how it’s all related. He had a phenomenal way of making physics relevant to people who would probably never again in their lives set foot in a science lab.
That would be an excellent mandate!
The retrograde ranks of corporateers, financeers, and privateers are of course pushing the very opposite of what forward-looking educators have seen as the pressing needs of education in the future. They do this because they think it boosts their power and profits in the short-term to have a large stock of starving tech types to lord it over, doling out unpaid internships to an at-will labor force.
Reports from the Bureau of Labor Statistics consistently show that what job growth exists in this country is overwhelmingly in low-paying service fields.The supposed shortage of STEM jobs is a fallacy, ginned up for political reasons.
In the world of so-called education reform, the true shortages are in the realms of honesty, equity, competence and compassion.
The 30 August 2013 IEEE Spectrum also debunks the “STEM Shortage” myth. This is just more school bashing, a species of the more generic “we can’t hire anyone because they lack skill” mantra of corporate American and Wall Street used to avoid the necessary taxation and government policies we really need to improve the economy.
So, the issue has nothing to do with liberal arts vs. science and math; it’s all about whether our future will look like Jack London’s story The Iron Heel or FDR’s “Four Freedoms”.
Yes, it is also a way for politicians to blame high unemployment on the citizens rather than on themselves.
“. . . former Lockeed CEO Norm Augustine. . . ” should be tried and hung for crimes against humanities for overseeing the development and production of weapons of mass destruction.
Humanity not humanities although I’d consider them against the humanities also.
Typo or not, ‘crimes against humanities’ is an astute comment!
This supposed lack of enough STEM graduates is similar to the wailing and kvetching of people like Bill Gates that since we, again, supposedly don’t have enough tech capable people that, so sorry, we need to increase the number of H1b visas so we can allow thousands more Indians come to the US with their superior education and superior tech skills. Except that that’s all a lie, we have tons of tech people who are begging for jobs; their only problem is that they want to be paid decent wages with decent benefits while the Indians will be working for less and can be fired at will. Many US tech people are in the position of training the H1b visa person who will replace them.
This is exactly as I see it. Thanks for saying it.
They had a big call in program on NPR regarding this very issue about Gates and H1b. There were a lot of callers saying that there isn’t a shortage and the purpose is merely to drive down wages etc. Pretty sad.
We probably have a shortage in STEM graduates because they are not taught to think ouside the box. Blending in liberal arts may help. Engineers built this country because they were able to see ouside the box and adapt when necessary. Many of todays engineerers can’t see past the calculator and blueprints.
And now, instead of having our students to THINK, we are having to tell them to use text based evidence!
This posting is a solid analysis of the bogus claim about the STEM talent shortage. Major employers push this thinking so that they can import low-salary, compliant workers from India and elsewhere that undercut the bargaining power of American citizens.
The same thing is true for unskilled workers. The unemployment rate for unskilled workers is over 20%. So why do almost all readers of this blog, and all elite liberals, support open borders and unlimited immigration of low-skilled people? Illegal immigration has beyond all doubt badly hurt the economic prospects of existing citizens, and the costs to taxpayers – health care, education, other social services – vastly exceed whatever taxes the illegals pay.
I haven’t seen the topic of immigration come up much on this blog at all (and I’ve been reading daily since nearly the beginning), and I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone on this blog – Diane or any commenter – declare support for “open borders and unlimited immigration of low-skilled people”.
I’d give you an F for this kind of writing, but I’m feeling generous. Would you like a chance to rewrite your essay?
It’s obvious that almost all commenters here are on the far Left of the political spectrum. I read political commentary of all stripes, and the support for massive new immigration of unskilled workers is an article of faith among elite liberals and especially left-wing and Democratic Party activists. The other part of the open borders coalition is cheap labor Republican employers: Walmart, agribusiness, U.S. Chamber of Commerce, etc.
Given the political views expressed on this blog every day, it’s an obvious inference that most of the readers/commenters would support the “immigrants rights”/open borders/sanctuary city philosophy. They’re safe in their own jobs, so who cares that unskilled Americans of all races are suffering from wage compression and un/under-employment? The most important goal is to import government-dependent immigrants and make them into voters who will turn America hard Left forever.
Be careful – I have a deep grounding in Economics, and I can easily overwhelm ideological platitudes learned in ed. school Social Justice courses.
Oooh, I’m scared. Blowhard.
I’m open to other informed opinions. You obviously don’t have one.
I do, but why waste them on someone who needs to bloviate in advance about his “deep grounding in Economics”?
Go ahead and try to challenge what I’ve written, which is overwhelmingly supported by economists and common sense. I’m sure you’d like 30 million new left-wing, government-dependent voters. Where will that leave the many millions of low-skilled citizens who are now unemployed, or who have little bargaining power? What will that cost taxpayers to meet the huge new emands for health, education, and welfare services?
I repeat – the support for massive low-skilled immigration comes from employers who want cheap labor, including cheap STEM labor, and from left-wing political activists. Every politically aware person knows this.
Be careful – I have a deep grounding in Economics, and I can easily overwhelm ideological platitudes learned in ed. school Social Justice courses.
Threats?
Really.
Wow
Please use your vast knowledge to explain how an undocumented immigrant ( all those open borders) is government dependent and a voter.
Please elaborate.
We are eagerly awaiting being overwhelmed by your brilliance .
Illegal immigrants already benefit from services paid for by taxpayers: emergency rooms for their medical care, and public schools for their kids. Most of them are paid under the table, and whatever minimal taxes they collectively pay don’t come close to meeting the public costs of their benefits.
If they become citizens, at their income levels they will immediately qualify for the whole gamut of benefits: food stamps, Section 8, SNAP, Obamaphones, etc. The costs of these benefits will be vastly greater than the amount of taxes these low-income people will pay.
Illegal immigrants can’t legally vote, although the pro-voter fraud wing of the Democratic Party often ignores this technicality. If the illegals become citizens, they will vote for the party that gives them the most free stuff.
Every politically informed person knows all these things, regardless of his/her opinions. The comments on this thread are revealing. Everybody agrees that the STEM shortage is concocted by employers in order to import cheaper, more docile workers. But almost everyone resists applying this same logic to low-skilled immigration. Why?
1) They don’t want to be called racist by La Raza, the news media, etc.
2) Importing lots of immigrant kids would mean more jobs for unionized teachers.
3) They sincerely feel bad about the plight of poor Mexicans.
4) By far the biggest factor: those unskilled blue-collar types just aren’t, you know, their sort of people. They cling to God and guns, and many of them were the problem kids in school.
5) Their own kids are or will be college-educated, and might work in STEM. No way will they be doing blue-collar jobs. Low-skilled Americans are struggling? Not my problem, or just give them welfare and we’ll all feel good about ourselves.
Read the New Republic article I linked to. That liberal writer fleshes out my bullet points using irrefutable logic.
I’ve never seen a illegal immigration comment on here. I’ve never believed that anyone should be allowed to just walk into any country without being permitted to come in
Good – we agree. But don’t say this at your next faculty meeting or cocktail party. It’s not an acceptable opinion in liberal circles, as the New Republic writer pointed out.
I hope that we might get to the point where it is as common for high school mathematics teachers to have majored in mathematics in college as it is for high school music teachers to have majored in music in college.
This is the case at my school.
The majority of our math and science teachers have bachelors in what we teach.
And we are the failing school .
Nationally at least a music or art teacher is far more likely to haveanu dear graduate degree in music or art than a math teacher. It is even harder in the sciences in the small rural high schools that dominate my state. When there is only one or two science teachers in a high school, it is hard to cover even the basics of physics, chemistry, and biology. Double majors are really the only hope in that case.
“I was never very good at math” is acceptable.
“I was never very good at math” will get you some very odd looks.
My husband is a STEM guy. There is no shortage in STEM jobs. Trust me. This is another manufactured crisis.
There is a salary at which there would be a shortage of potential STEM employees and another salary at which there would be a surplus of potential STEM employees. If we are close to an equilibrium salary, there will be no surplus or shortage.
My universities engineering school is expanding the number of seats available to students, betting that there will be a relative shortage of engineers at the current salary levels. They may be wrong, but I have to believe they have talked to firms that hire their graduates about future prospects.
“There is no shortage in STEM jobs. Trust me. This is another manufactured crisis.”
And has been an argument that has been resurrected whenever employers have wanted to reduce the cost of their STEM labor force.
The STEM alarm is definitely a manufactured crisis.
1. “As the push to train more young people in STEM — science, technology, engineering and math — careers gains steam, a few prominent skeptics are warning that it may be misguided — and that rhetoric about the USA losing its world pre-eminence in science, math and technology may be a stretch.” (“Scientist shortage? Maybe not.” USA Today, 7/9/2009, http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-07-08-science-engineer-jobs_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
2. “’There is no scientist shortage,’ says Harvard University economist Richard Freeman, a leading expert on the academic labor force.” (from “Does the U.S. Produce Too Many Scientists?” Scientific American, 2/22/2010), http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=does-the-us-produce-too-m&sc=WR_20100224
3. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, of the top 20 fastest growing occupations, only one is STEM-related (biomedical engineers). http://www.bls.gov/ooh/fastest-growing.htm
4. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, of the top 20 occupations w/highest projected numeric change in employment, ZERO are STEM-related). http://www.bls.gov/ooh/most-new-jobs.htm
5. The STEM push ignores the subtleties. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, some STEM occupations have job outlooks that are “faster than average” but many fall into the “average” or “slower than average” category.
6. The Gulen Movement has cleverly taken advantage of the STEM push for its charter school expansion. ALL their schools boast about having a STEM emphasis. Just one example is with Harmony Public Schools, the Texas chain. http://www.harmonytx.org/AboutUs/TSTEMatHarmony.aspx
The best commentary ever published about the effects of massive low-skilled immigration – written by an avowed liberal.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113651/liberal-opposes-immigration-reform
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the topic of this post was STEM, not immigration. To the extent immigration came up – regarding Gates bringing in H1b visa STEM people for cheap labor – the “liberals” on this board (hint: not everyone on this board is liberal) were opposed to it.
Rodgers12, I think you’re on the wrong blog.
STEM workers are not “low skilled” so I guess you completely missed the point of the idea that there is no STEM shortage other than the one manufactured to drive down wages in STEM fields.
Read my first comment. I agree with everyone else here about the bogus “shortage” of STEM workers. The same bogus claim is made about the need for massive amounts of additional low-skilled immigration. It’s the cheap labor lobby in action, abetted on the unskilled labor side by Democratic Party activists who want future reliable voters.
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The STEM shortage is a manfactured crises. Louisiana has reorganized the department of Education onlong STEM lines based on a firm belief in this faux crises and laid off most of our arts folks. As usual, we have done the wrong thing for the wrong reason under John White and Jindal. If nothing else, we are consistent.
“So what’s going on? Simply put, a desire for cheap, skilled labor, within the business world and academia, has fueled assertions—based on flimsy and distorted evidence—that American students lack the interest and ability to pursue careers in science and engineering, and has spurred policies that have flooded the market with foreign STEM workers. This has created a grim reality for the scientific and technical labor force: glutted job markets; few career jobs; low pay, long hours, and dismal job prospects for postdoctoral researchers in university labs; near indentured servitude for holders of temporary work visas.” http://www.cjr.org/reports/what_scientist_shortage.php?page=all
Outstanding analysis. The same cheap labor lobby is pushing for massive amounts of low-skilled immigration to destroy whatever bargaining power existing citizens have. How many white-collar liberals care, or are at least willing to admit this reality?
Few seem to realize that the primary cause of Nation’s stultifying STEM shortage, so deplored by former Lockeed CEO Norm Augustine, is ENGLISH MAJORS ! See e.g., my post “English Majors: Roadblocks to STEM-Based Prosperity!” at http://bit.ly/19dKg0h .
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I don’t know about this…I have two children who completed engineering degrees in the last three years and were hired IMMEDIATELY at salaries FAR HIGHER than their non-engineering friends, many of whom are still working at Starbucks.
I am pretty pleased that my kids slogged through four or five really tough years of physics and calculus and that it paid off for them.
Pretty sure if they were history majors they’d be currently unemployed.
My daughter (math brainiac; h.s. valedictorian; full-ride scholarship to top-20 university) pursued a STEM focus (Organic Chemistry) only to find out — after a post-college internship at a prominent Big Pharma company in the Bay Area — that many of the research jobs in her field were being outsourced, primarily to Asia… or to imported scientists from Asia. If there is a STEM need, it is for a narrow set of VERY specific occupations.
Just out of curiosity,how many of the professors and graduate students that educated your daughter were “imported”?
Sharon:
Unfortunately, she is probably going to need an advanced degree if she wants to work in her field.
Here are starting and 10-year median salaries for various college majors and their rankings for 2013. The message is clear and simple and anybody who has taken Economics 100 course can understand what the big message is.
Rank Major Starting Salary Mid-Career Salary
1 Petroleum Engineering $98,000 $163,000
2 Aerospace Engineering $62,500 $118,000
4 Chemical Engineering $67,500 $111,000
6 Electrical Engineering (EE) $63,400 $106,000
9 Computer Science (CS) $58,400 $100,000
10 Statistics $49,300 $99,500
14 Government $42,000 $95,600
15 Economics $48,500 $94,900
19 Software Engineering $59,100 $90,700
53 Political Science (PolySci) $40,300 $74,700
54 Accounting $44,300 $74,500
61 – tie History $39,000 $70,200
61 – tie Nursing $54,100 $70,200
73 – tie English $38,100 $65,500
75 French $39,500 $65,100
78 Journalism $36,800 $64,700
86 – tie Psychology $35,200 $60,200
100 – tie Sociology $36,000 $56,700
110 Education $37,200 $55,000
126 Special Education $33,900 $48,900
127 Human Development $33,100 $47,800
128 Elementary Education $31,400 $46,000
129 Social Work (SW) $33,100 $45,300
130 Child and Family Studies $29,300 $37,700
I am not vouching for the complete accuracy of these numbers but they match the rough ranking of college majors in every other source of which I am aware. Nor am I arguing any notion of fairness or even perfect competition, simply supply and demand in the US labor market.
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2013/majors-that-pay-you-back
I will be back tomorrow with some additional data on our comparative production of S&E workers..
I haven’t taken Economics 101. Please lay it out for me explicitly and briefly, if it can be done. What do you think accounts for the scarcity of Petro Engineers and the abundance of Elementary Teachers that drives these salary differences?
You have asked, at least to my mind, at least 2 questions: (1) what accounts for the relative scarcity of petroleum engineers and the relative abundance of elementary school teachers and (2) does this (I assume you mean the numbers) drive these salary differences?
(1) Petroleum engineers have a higher opportunity cost than do elementary school teachers in terms of length and breadth of professional schooling, pecuniary cost of training, and the time needed to achieve their requisite degrees. In terms of whether “smarter” people can pass the engineering courses with more certainty than those people who take “less rigorous” education courses and that limits the number of petroleum engineers relative to elementary school teachers–well, I think that correlation is left up to another’s opinion.
(2) All I can really do is point out the obvious. If you have more people clamoring for a piece of pizza with one kind of topping than another, then the less amount of people clamoring for a particular pizza are going to get larger slices. Simplistic I know but that’s kind of all it is.
One thing I would like to opine is that although engineering training is rigorous, the skill set needed to be a good teacher is just as rigorous in a different way.
I saw a cartoon that illustrates what I mean: There was a big tree in the background with an elephant, a monkey, a snake, and a lion in front of the tree. In front of the animals was a man seated at a table. The caption read, “This is a test. All those who can climb the tree are successful, and all those who cannot are failures”
I am probably being obtuse or at least that is what my teenager tells me.!
I know quite a few STEM majors who are underemployed.
Manufactured crisis.
And college degrees do not create jobs.
If everyone currently in college switched to patrol. Engineering . what would happen the day they all graduated?
I think the likely outcome of everyone switching to petroleum engineering is that most would flunk out of the school.
You are surely correct. Years ago I was on an NSF committee that was addressing the topic of this post. On the committee the Deans of the Engineering Schools were trying to figure out how to create a 5-year degree since Engineering was so tough. Engineering students cannot afford a year abroad, if they want to stay in Engineering.