A blogger called “That’s Another Fine Mess” wrote about an important question: who controls the Power of the Purse? The Constitution says that power belongs to the House of Representatives. But Trump likes to break norms and ignore the Constitution. Will he seize the power of the purse to kill programs, agencies, and Departments that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy consider unnecessary? Will the Supreme Court enable a power grab?
Think about it. Will this Supreme Court allow Trump to override the Constitution?
The blogger “That’s Another Fine Mess” writes:
Since the English Barons met with King John at Runnymede in 1215 and forced him to sign the Magna Carta, the Power of the Purse, and who shall wield it, has been a central point of political contention in the development of democratic constitutional republics.
In the United States, the Power of the Purse resides in the House of Representatives, that part of the national government closest to the citizen voters.
The last president to challenge the power of the House of Representatives to set financial goals and provide for the proper financing of the agencies of governmnt to achieve those goals was Richard Nixon, 50 years ago.
Donald Trump is preparing to enter his second term as president and has vowed to cut a vast array of government services and announced a radical plan to do so.
Rather than rely on his party’s control of both houses of congress to trim the budget, Trump and his advisers have stated their intent to test an obscure legal theory that holds presidents have sweeping power to withhold funding from programs they dislike. This was also the heart of Nixon’s chosen battleground in the early 1970s, when Congress began defunding the operation of the war in Vietnam.
In a 2023 campaign video, Trump said: “We can simply choke off the money. For 200 years under our system of government, it was undisputed that the president had the constitutional power to stop unnecessary spending.” As with most everything Trump says about politics and government, this is another lie.
The plan, known as “impoundment,” threatens to provoke a major clash with the Article II p[ower over the limits of the president’s Article I control over the budget.
The Constitution gives Congress the sole authority to appropriate the federal budget. The role of the Article I executive branch is to dole out the money effectively, in accordance with the budget created and approved by Congress. That power was affirmed in by passage of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, whch wrote into law that the president did not possess such authority.
Trump and his advisers assert that a president can unilaterally ignore the Congress’ spending decisions and “impound” funds if he opposes them or deems them wasteful.
This assault on the congessional power of the purse is part of his larger plan to consolidate as much power in the executive branch as possible. Earlier this month, he attempted to pressure the Senate to voluntarily go into recess for longer than ten days, so he could appoint his cabinet through recess appointments, avoiding the Senate’s role in advise and consent to such appointments. So far, he was forced to back down on this demand when it became clear that at least five Republican Senators would vote against Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General.
Trump’s claim to possess impoundment power stands against that law. If Trump were to assert and maintain a power to kill congressionally approved programs, it would tee up a fight in the federal courts and – accoprding to experts – fundamentally alter Congress’ bedrock power of he purse were he to prevail at the Supreme Court. Given the present court’s demonstrated willingness to ignore precedent, it is not clear how they would rule, despite the several Supreme Court rulings against Nixon’s attempted usurpation 50 years ago.
The possible fight was teed up in an op-ed published Wednesday by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, who Trump has placved in control of the new nongovernmental Department of Government Efficiency – who do not possess between the two of them knowledge of the actual operation of government under the Constitution that would fill a thimble – in which they said they planned to slash federal spending and fire civil servants. Since DOGE is about as real as the Doge Coins our Unreconstructed Afrikaner Space Nazi plays with, the fact is that what these two fuckwits have the power to do is to make suggestions and recommendations to Congress, which has the power to kill a program or agency and reset the terms of employment for the federal employees involved.
Musk and Ramaswamy wrote, “We believe the current Supreme Court would likely side with him on this question.” They could be right.
Their efforts could offer Trump his first Supreme Court test of the post-Watergate Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, which requires the president to spend the money Congress approves. The law allows exceptions, such as when the executive branch can achieve Congress’ goals by spending less, but not as a means for the president to kill programs he opposes.
Trump and his fellow conspirators have been telegraphing his plan for a hostile takeover of the budgeting process for months. He has decried the 1974 law as “not a very good act” in his campaign video and said, “Bringing back impoundment will give us a crucial tool with which to obliterate the Deep State.”
The once-obscure impoundment debate has come back into vogue in MAGA circles thanks to Russell Vought, Trump’s former and future budget director, and Mark Paoletta, who served under Vought during Trump 1.0 as the OMB general counsel, who have worked to popularize the idea after it was brought up by the Vought-founded Center for Renewing America.
In private remarks to a gathering of MAGA luminaries uncovered by ProPublica, Vought boasted he was assembling a “shadow” Office of Legal Counsel so that Trump is armed on day one with the legal rationalizations to realize his agenda, saying, “I don’t want President Trump having to lose a moment of time having fights in the Oval Office about whether something is legal or doable or moral.”
The prospect of Trump seizing vast control over federal spending is not merely about reducing the size of the federal government, a long-standing conservative goal. It is also fueling new fears about his promises of vengeance.

I guess it remains to be seen whether the sycophant Republicans in Congress who blindly support the president-elect will continue to do so when he attempts to consolidate as much power as possible in the executive branch and attempts to nullify the congressional power of the first strings.
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Will members of Congress allow Trump to strip them of their powers? We will see. How supine are they?
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I thought perhaps, since the conflict is finally on their front porch pounding on their door to take their power away, that they might get some spine. But I have thought such things all along and been proved wrong.
BTW, I just watched “Separated” on MSNBC. About parents-child separations at the border. These same people will have more, not less, power than they did during Trump’s first tour.
The whole thing flies in the face, first, of Trump’s fake identity with populism and the working “man,” as well as, second, a simple and qualified interpretation of Jesus’ relationship with the poor and the “other.”
Politically, I cannot see how Trump and his billionaires can depend on fooling the people, even Trump’s base, much longer, especially when Medicare, healthcare in general, and Social Security get on the Musk chopping block.
Interesting what’s happening in Syria . . . CBK
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Shock Doctrine means you go after “The Power Of The Purse” before anyone wakes up and smells the coffee. They had an Investment Firm capitalized and prepared to attack any profit/business the MAGA crowd considers WOKE. A lawsuit is filed against famous literacy specialists Lucy Calkins, Irene Fountas, Gay Su Pinnell and their publisher Heinemann + Teachers College. And “you know who” is not even in office. This has been planned down to the last detail. He is their Trojan Horse. The takedown is just getting started.
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Perhaps the worst aspect of this attempt to end the power of the legislature is that Trump and his minions aren’t doing this for smaller and more efficient government, but to line the pockets of toadies like Musk and Ramaswamy. This money will not go back to tax payers, but to all of the corporations that live off the government teat in the form of subsidies and tax cuts. This is similar to what Putin has done in Russia leaving him exorbitantly rich while not caring to provide for the needs of the Russian people. Much of Russia’s struggle in fighting Ukraine is due to the hollowing out of the military for the sake of oligarchic profit. The cuts Trump, Musk, and Ramaswamy want to make will be meant to harm interests that challenge them in any way. This will include parts of the military. The fact that Democrats aren’t putting up much protest and that Republicans are bending over when asked shows us that the 2025 bunch could very well succeed in their enterprise. The real bipartisan enterprise here is cowardice.
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Trump’s cabinet is worth more than $10 billion, and it does not include toadies Musk and Ramaswamy. These two are in play to deflect the economic hardship they will cause on the American people from the “grand wizard,” Trump. The kleptocrats, including a newly appointed cryto czar, and hedge fund bros., are waiting for their opportunity to deregulate and get their hands on federal cash. Blue collar America needs to wake up to the fact that they were used. They along with many other Americans that voted against their own interests have enabled the fleecing of the federal government.
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Standard Wealth Grab 101. Fool the folk into thinking they will benefit from nebulous ‘tax cuts’, then farm out the work to private industry cronies who will gouge the public for what they supply (at minimum wage rates of course).
Part of it used to be called ‘Tax Farming’ back in the day; another part was Mercenary Armies….I expect they’ll come up with some fancy new smoke and mirrors terms.
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It will be interesting to see if musk proposes eliminating NASA, which competes with his SpaceX, or just allowing NASA to funnel money to him, not to build rockets.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see him try to buy NASA. Sound far-fetched? No!
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I read “shadow” as the real “deep state.”
However, in lieu of Trump actually tearing up the Constitution, he is destroying it in increments from below upwards, so to speak.
Remember the emoluments clause from his first administration? Then both freedom of speech and of the press are “on the line” with his retributive ideas about hounding and sending the Department of Justice after those who SPEAK out against Trump; and bribery, and intimidating owners of establishment PRESSES and jailing journalists, and shooting protesters, using federal forces against them–Assembly? But these are First Amendment Rights; and then there is freedom of religion and the installment of Christian Nationalism in our schools as the one true religion.
And then replacing the Rule of Law by the Rule of Trump, Bannon, Miller, etc. even Putin.
Then there is the Of-For-By the People, on its way to being perished and replaced by “Cronies.”
The impoundment argument where the Constitutional assignment of the control of the purse–on attack by GOP/MAGA.
It’s not a fiction: Keep going and there won’t be any Constitution to throw out. CBK
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CBK,
Trump is practicing subversion, step by step, nullifying the Constitution. Republicans let him get away with it in his first term. He blatantly violated the Emoluments Clause. No problem. Don’t be surprised if he uses the Oval Offuce to sell his merch.
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Diane: Yes, it goes without saying that the White House is for sale. All those guys–Trump and his billionaires–their only horizon is built from a business-only/profit-making, arrogant, transactional set of ideas.
Also, I don’t care what else Joe Biden has done that is good–and there’s lots of it–he is in failure mode until January 20 if, in this window of his having complete immunity himself, he does nothing to counteract the movements that have already taken place, like the trashing of the First Amendment, and that are set to destroy the U. S. Constitution which Biden himself is sworn to protect, even from insider threats. Trump is not president yet, no matter what he and his lapdogs think or do.
The point is not one of following the rule of law or a “peaceful transfer of power,” but rather Biden allowing the death of a centuries-old democracy when he need not do so.
I too have hope that the institutions will hold up, and that at least some are holding to them and their power now. But I think Obama, though right, looked lost, and that Biden looks like a fuddy-duddy (sorry); but there is a pattern there that is built less on wishful thinking and even hope, and more on what is in Biden’s power to do already and that will lawfully work to keep the institutions strong. All of them are already involved with law-breaking.
I wince at Trump being in France and included in with “dignitaries,” a term of being he has no personal acquaintance with. CBK
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“their only horizon is built from a business-only/profit-making, arrogant, transactional set of ideas.
I would insert “privileged” in your list.
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Trump wants to “bring back” monarchy to the Republic. Sounds contradictory to me.
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Roy: So, what else is new? In his Meet the Press interview, he also talks about that young man who loves the military–said that or derivatives several times–even after that same young man talked about women in the military the way he did–as if Trump were trying to pound yet another lie into the heads of his believers. CBK
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‘Contradictory’ is the world Trump lives in, a ‘man of the people’ swimming in wealth and privilege, who claimed to drain a swamp and made a bigger one, and so on and so on.
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Talking about Magna Carta from a British perspective most of that was set up for the Barons and the lower folk could go to the wall. In time ordinary folk used to start a great deal of riots, uprisings and the like and eventually we had the Civil Wars of the 17th Century, which didn’t work out so well, but Royalty sort of learnt a lesson.
Not quite a parallel with what going on with the unhappy USA at the moment, but the lesson is. You keep abusing your authority the ordinary folk will let you know, and not just with a writing-in campaign.
The Court of Trump (then Vance?) are just not ready for what’s going to happen down the road, are they?
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“The Court of Trump (then Vance?)”
And the latter is scarier and probably more dangerous to America.
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Yes, in a nightmare scenario when Trump goes gah-gah (medically that is), Vance could have, say, two years as stand in President then possibly two terms as president. The damage he and his ‘advisors’ (look out for the strings they will be pulling) could do to the USA societal system does not bear thinking about.
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Even if the U.S. Supreme Court would rule against Trump’s impoundment tactic, it’s completely possible that Trump could do the same thing that his presidential role model, Andrew Jackson, did when the Court ruled against Jackson’s move to kick Native Americans off of their ancestral land so that American “entrepreneurs” could build on it — Jackson simply ignored the Court, saying in so many words: “Well, the Court has ruled, but what army is going to enforce it?” So, as Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military, Jackson ordered the Native Americans to be forced off of their land and sent on the death march known to us as “The Trail of Tears”, ending in concentration camps called “reservations”.
Trump cares nothing — nothing — about our Constitution or law.
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I thought about Jackson too. In his case there was zero legislative support for enforcement of the Marshall decision. An executive refusal to spend appropriated money might be a little different, but I too see the parallel.
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We need to examine every step from the “Department of Governmental Efficiency,” which will be led by Musk and Ramaswamy—neither of whom the people elected. There’s no doubt that democracy is messier and far less efficient than authoritarianism, and those who support this move have no idea what’s coming. I’m sure most Americans prefer a democratic republic, but establishing a department solely aimed at efficiency seems contrary to the principles of democracy. We’ll see how that plays out soon enough, I suppose, but it’s disheartening to realize that half the country appears to believe that freedom means someone’s uninformed (and often baseless) statements are just as valid and deserving of our government’s attention as knowledgeable and carefully reasoned ideas.
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We elect representatives to Congress to make the decisions about spending, taxing, and cutting budgets. They should not outsource their duties.
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