Jonathan V. Last writes on The Bulwark about why Kamala won’t be heard on Joe Togan’s podcast. It is a wildly popular podcast, especially among young men. He set conditions that she could not meet in the last week of the campaign.
Last writes:
This morning we got word that Kamala Harris tried to do the Joe Rogan show. She proposed a date and was willing to sit with him for an hour.
Rogan balked.
Rogan posted on Twitter @joerogan
Also, for the record the Harris campaign has not passed on doing the podcast. They offered a date for Tuesday, but I would have had to travel to her and they only wanted to do an hour. I strongly feel the best way to do it is in the studio in Austin. My sincere wish is to just have a nice conversation and get to know her as a human being. I really hope we can make it happen.
Jonathan Last commented:
So Rogan’s demand was that the sitting vice president detour from her campaign in swing states to come to him in Austin and also that she give him—what?—three hours?
And if she was only willing to give him an hour, and he had to travel to her? Well, then he thought his audience would be better off not hearing from her at all.
I am sorry but that is not on the level.
This is just one more area in which Kamala Harris has done—or tried to do—everything that was asked of her in the name of outreach to the great and good American people who get their news from a guy who talks about sucking his own dick.
Kamala Harris has a 50-50 chance to win this election.
But I want to head off arguments that if she loses it was somehow her fault. That she did something wrong, or didn’t do something important.
Because here is the rock-bottom fact: No reasonable observer could have asked her to run a better campaign.
Kamala Harris became the presumptive Democratic nominee a hundred days ago. In that time she:
- Unified the Democratic party.
- Reversed Biden’s polling deficit and took the lead over Trump.
- Organized a successful convention.
- Created a policy framework for her prospective administration.
- Pivoted to the center on nearly every issue: From domestic energy production, to gun reform, to immigration.
- Absolutely schlonged Trump in their debate.
- Performed somewhere between adequately and exceptionally in every single media interview.
- Spent time with several non-traditional media outlets.
- Gave almost unfailingly good speeches in front of giant crowds.
- Performed heroic levels outreach to Republicans and swing voters by appearing on Fox News and campaigning with the likes of Liz Cheney—while explicitly inviting and welcoming Republican voters into her coalition.
Harris did not play perfect baseball—you or I could sketch out a handful of things we wish she had done differently. Or better. But the perfect campaign does not exist.
Seriously: This has been the most error-free presidential campaign in memory and yet Harris hasn’t played it safe. She combined aggressive strategy with disciplined execution. In terms of campaigns as they exist in the actual, real world? This is as good as it gets.
Which is why, if Harris loses, it will be incorrect to say that it was somehow her fault. That if only she had done [this thing I like] or said [this other thing that’s important to me], then she would have beaten Trump.
Because not only has Harris run the best possible campaign, but Trump has run an entirely mask-off campaign. He has told America who he is and what he wants.
He wants to round up immigrants and put them in camps.
He wants to deploy the military against domestic groups he disfavors.
He wants to eradicate the “vermin” who are “poisoning the blood” of the country.
He wants to put crazy people like RFK and Elon Musk in charge of large swaths of the federal government.
He wants to fire Jack Smith and make the criminal charges against himself go away.
He wants to force Ukraine to negotiate a ceasefire in terms favorable to Russia.
Believe me: If Trump wins, it isn’t going to be because Kamala Harris gave a bad answer to a question on The View.
It will be because some large percentage of the American public looked at these two candidates and decided that they wanted Trump.
Attempts to blame Harris or find an alternate reason for why voters didn’t consciously choose an authoritarian strongman will be an exercise in reality avoidance. It will be an attempt to avoid grappling with who, and what, our country is.
2. Stories We Tell Ourselves
In a sense, the 2024 election has been an exercise in creating rationalizations in order to avoid reality.
The pattern was simple: People would come up with a rationalization for why 47 percent of the country wanted Trump. Said rationalization would be demolished. Someone would come up with a new rationalization.
- The only reason people supported Trump was inflation.
- Then inflation came down, and people kept supporting Trump.³
- The only reason people supported Trump was high interest rates.⁴
- Then rates got cut, and people kept supporting Trump.
- The only reason people supported Trump was crime.
- Then we had two years with the steepest drops in crime rates in history, and people kept supporting Trump. ⁵
- The only reason people supported Trump was Biden’s age—they were deeply concerned about his mental ability to do the job.
- Then the Democratic nomination went to a nimble and vigorous Kamala Harris; Trump became the addled geriatric in the race; and people kept supporting Trump.
How many times do we have to do this?
Imagine that it’s November 10 and Trump has lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College. People will be desperate to come up with explanations.
- It was immigration. Sure, the Democrats passed the toughest immigration bill ever, only to have Trump kill it. And sure, Biden closed the border.
- But if only they’d done that sooner. Then voters would have rejected Trump.⁶
- It was Harris’s liberal past.
- If only she had the exact same policy positions as Tim Ryan or Joe Manchin. Then voters would have rejected Trump.⁷
- It was Joe Rogan.
- If only she’d gone to Austin and given him three hours. Then male swing-voters in [Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, whatever] would have rejected Trump.
But none of these rationalizations will be any more true than the arguments that what voters really cared about was crime, or Biden’s age.

I thought at first that you wrote that…but then I read the line that said she schlonged him in the debate and I knew that you wouldn’t use that language. I scrolled back up to the top and reread slowly so I found that you did not write this. He still has a good point but didn’t need the use of the Jewish word thrown in there. Walter “Sandy”
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She should not waste her time doing Joe Rogan. Hope the campaign sticks to its guns.
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For weeks, I’ve been thinking most of what Jonhathan V. Last wrote on the Bulwark.
I also think that it is because Kamala is a woman, and white men with Ivy league educations mostly control the media.
Case in point: Jeff Bezos went to Princeton. And he owns The Washington Post.
“After graduating from high school in 1982, Bezos attended Princeton University. He initially majored in physics but later switched to electrical engineering and computer science.”
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I would advise her to take the offer—to fly to Austin and do the three hours. It’s very wide exposure and although it’s not a core demo for her, the same could be said for Fox News, and I think it was very wise to do that show. Every vote matters. And I think she would do well on Rogan’s show—he is not an aggressive questioner at all.
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Agree! I haven’t listened to him very much but I like that he has some very different kind of people on his show with some very odd views. Lots of young men listen to his show as a kind of “comedy hour”.
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Unrealistically too long, and probably not a good idea. VP may consider best how to capitalize her time for better options.
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Joe Rogan was recommended to me and I clicked on the link a few years ago. Two minutes into the piece he used the word “libs,” and I cut it off. Since then I have learned I acted correctly, given some of his positions.
That said, perhaps the rabbi and the priest occasionally need to walk into a bar.
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Roy, that was sharp and gracious ! 🙂
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It looks like Trump et al shot themselves in the foot when they “trashed” Puerto Rico at their rally and then didn’t immediately correct it. Hello OCTOBER SURPRISE! CBK
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Here’s Harris promising to listen to people who disagree with her and give them a seat at the table. This is after she refused to have a Palestinian speaker at her convention, after she has refused to meet with Muslim groups or promise Muslim representation in her administration, after she told Palestinian protesters “I’m speaking!” So, yeah, if you only listen to what she says, I suppose she’s running a good campaign. But if you watch what she does, not so much.
Of course, she’s not entirely lying, it’s just that the group that she “disagrees with” that will “have a seat at the table” is Republicans.
https://x.com/ProudCommunist/status/1851426541584203809
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Republicans are the other major political party in this nation. Palestinians are not.
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“In a sense, the 2024 election has been an exercise in creating rationalizations in order to avoid reality.“
No. The election is non-mega republicans creating rationalizations or the one unsatisfactory Harris response so they can admit to their daughters and sane friends that they voted for trump. How else will they sleep at night or answer 10 years from now when asked who they supported back then?
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The reason Kamala Harris and the denocrats will lose is that Americans aren’t buying what they are selling.
The border bill provided amnesty to illegal aliens and allowed Approximately 2000 to cross illegally every day. That bill was dead on arrival
They let millions of border walls rot and stopped construction.
They refuse to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.
Her DOJ is suing to keep illegal aliens on the voter rolls.
Fentanyl victims – she doesn’t care
victims of illegal aliens -she doesn’t care
infanticide and abortion
attacks against Jews
Lawfare
She and Joe are letting China eat our lunch! “Don’t shoot down the surveillance balloon, it might make China mad.” F-China
Kamala is an empty pantsuit. 90 percent of her staff quit and she isn’t too bright.
Her husband abuses women
She picked an idiot for a VP
She doesn’t know what a woman is
Democrats hate blue-collar workers and LIE to get their votes.
Democrats are racist
Liz Cheney, lol
Woke military commanders who committed treason – they are for “her.”
Border Czar-lousy
Afghanistan pull out – the last one in the room.
She calls everyone a NAZI or fascist – old and boring.
Number one for me is that she has known from the day she became Joe Biden’s running mate that he is demented and she STILL lies about it.
Also, she should have gone on Joe Rogan’s show 🤣 Trump does two or three events to her one. She’s on the lazy side. Rumor has it that she is a day drinker that plays solitaire during her work day.
I could go on.
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The border bill was written by Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma, one of the most conservative republicans. The Senate GOP was going to pass it, but Trump sent the message: “Don’t fix the problem. It’s going to be my big issue to campaign on.” So they killed it.
What you call “woke generals” are the men that Trump selected to be his Chief of Staff and leader of the Joibt Chiefs of Staff. If they were woke, why did Trump pick them?
It’s Trump who calls everyone a Communist or fascist. Kamala doesn’t insult others. That’s Trump’s act.
Kamala is married to a Jew. She will get 80% of the Jewish vote.
Tim Walz is no “idiot.” He’s a highly successful public servant who is a role model. He taught public school for 20 years. What public service has Trump ever performed. He’s motivated only by greed. Did you forget that Trump’s Daddy paid a podiatrist to write a letter to defer Donald from being drafted. Donald dodged the draft 5 or 6 times.
I could go on but why bother. You don’t listen or learn. You repeat Trump’s vile and repellent lies.
What will he do to your Medicare and Social Security? You should worry.
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Ypur palpable hate drivel is devoid of any positive future vision for America. It is childish grievance not serious political thought. Don’t ever change. Keep stewing in your vile hatred and lies. It suits you. By the way, “lawfare” is BS, your boy is just a felonious raping Russian stooge who is as dirty as they come.
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“I could go on.”
Please don’t.
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