They say that converts are even more zealous than those who have been born into a religion. Jay Kuo thinks that’s the case with JD Vance. Having started as a harsh critic of Trump, he is now an extreme MAGAt. He is more Catholic than the Pope. A bad analogy, since Trump has no religion.
Kuo writes that Vance is so polarizing that he won’t attract independents, moderates, or women.
JD Vance represents the extremes of the MAGA GOP. On nearly every issue, Vance is about as wretched and radical as he could be without morphing into Marjorie Taylor Greene. How’s that for an image?
On the nifty side, this same extremism means the GOP ticket will create greater unease among moderate and independent voters looking for a cooling off of our politics and an end to chaos, fear and rising violence. Indeed, JD Vance is likely to turn up the national heat further at a moment when most voters want it turned down. And that spells trouble for the ticket.
As nasty as they come
It’s difficult to imagine a more radical VP choice than JD Vance when it comes to the most divisive issues facing America and already splintering the GOP. In earlier pieces, I discussed how the GOP is currently wedged on several major issues, with stakes driven deep into its side over abortion, January 6th, and traitorous support for Putin.
I would now add to that list the poisonous effect of Project 2025, which could peel off moderates and independents afraid of a fascist takeover.
On each of these wedges, Vance not only stands on the wrong side, but himself is a chief driver of the wedges.
Vance is an anti-abortion zealot who supports a national ban. Even on the question of exceptions, Vance is unyielding. For example, when asked in an interview whether people should have a right to get an abortion if they were victims of rape or incest, he belittled the trauma, said that society shouldn’t view a pregnancy or birth resulting from rape or incest as an “inconvenience.” He argued that when it came to such exceptions, “two wrongs don’t make a right”—meaning that while it was “wrong” to inflict rape or incest upon a girl or woman, it would be a second “wrong” to permit the abortion.
Over January 6 and the 2020 election, Vance is also a staunch election denier and has refused to unequivocally state that he will accept the results of the 2024 election. Instead, in an interview on CNN, he qualified his acceptance, saying that the results must be “free and fair”—suggesting ahead of time and without basis that they will not be. Further, in an interview with ABC News in February, Vance maintained that he would have halted the certification of the election on January 6. “If I had been vice president, I would have told the states, like Pennsylvania, Georgia and so many others that we needed to have multiple slates of electors and I think the U.S. Congress should have fought over it from there,” Vance said. Former Rep. Liz Cheney blasted Vance for this, tweeting, “JD Vance has pledged he would do what Mike Pence wouldn’t – overturn an election and illegally seize power.”
Vance is also a Putin apologist of the most extreme kind. If given power, Vance would grant Putin a free hand in Europe and leave allies like Ukraine without critical U.S. aid. Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, Vance amazingly treated it with a shrug. “I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other,” Vance said. Since his election, he has become one of the most vocal critics of U.S. aid to Ukraine and led a campaign in the Senate to block a $60 billion aid package. He has urged Ukraine to stop all offensive maneuvers against Russia and negotiate a settlement quickly (thereby ceding much territory) because, in his view, victory isn’t feasible.
Finally, Vance would implement Project 2025 and replace thousands of career civil servants with Trump loyalists. In a podcast interview, Vance said that an incoming Trump administration should “fire every single mid-level bureaucrat” in the government and “replace them with our people.” If the courts attempt to stop Trump, Vance said, he should simply ignore the law. “You stand before the country, like Andrew Jackson did, and say the chief justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce it,” Vance declared. This worldview and plan aligns squarely with Project 2025, which calls for the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with MAGA loyalists, as well as its theory of the unfettered power of the unitary executive.
The nifty silver lining
These positions held by Vance—and there are many other radical ones—are admittedly extreme and terrifying. But the good news is that extreme and terrifying positions have led to electoral losses by the GOP. Voters, including all-important swing state moderates, have been consistently unwilling to support them since 2022….
Finally, at age 39, Vance is inexperienced, with just two years in the Senate. Measured against Kamala Harris, Vance is green and untested. That could be on full display in their debate next month, the terms of which are still being negotiated. As a vocal champion of women’s reproductive rights and an experienced prosecutor, Harris will have an opportunity to paint Vance into a corner over his extremism.
Indeed, the contrast between an under-qualified white male MAGA radical and a seasoned minority woman defender of democracy and liberty could hardly be clearer. Trump may have thought he was making a smart bet, hoping to pull in more of his base voters in the midwestern swing states. But those people aren’t going to show up in greater numbers just because Vance is on the ticket. Trump already had those voters.

In a way this is not surprising. Hitler as bad as he was had hitch men that were more brutal and destructive then he was. Actions carried out by his underlings were totally evil in every way. So, it fits, since Trump has been considered by many to be America’s Hitler that he, Trump, should follow the same evil path as Hitler.
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Vance called Trump “an American Hitler” or saw that potential. How quickly he changed his tune.
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Vance is an opportunist who will say or do anything necessary to advance himself. These extreme positions he took when he was auditioning for Trump VP. Whether they reflect his actual beliefs, who knows? Perhaps he has a Zelig-like ability actually to become whomever he is hanging with. It all depends on how powerful his internal machine for reducing cognitive dissonance is. As far as the misogyny goes, I must say that watching a joint interview of Vance and his wife is positively creepy.
This is not new. Remember when Mitt Romney was running in the Republican primaries? Like almost all Republican presidential primary candidates, he swung far to the right when he needed to, so much so that he issued a full-throated attack on Obamacare WHICH WAS EXACTLY THE SAME PROGRAM THAT HE HIMSELF INTRODUCED AS A COMPROMISE MEASURE WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS. In other words, he viciously attacked the program THAT HE CREATED.
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https://x.com/yashar/status/1814502680448192741?s=46&t=vV_4bJ7GuABaalzetJofQA
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???? Ya lost me with that one. Please explain. Thanks.
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tax cuts
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Vance’s wife is the daughter of immigrants. Does he hate his in-laws?
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Diane: Your question about Vance’s immigrant wife reminded me of how many women in my experience growing up (born in 1946) were anti-woman in the sense that they supported whole-hog the power structure that put males at the top.
It seems that every race or group has its hold-backs and quasi-self-haters. CBK
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CBK,
Most women used to believe that men belonged on top. Most women were subservient. Now some women are. Like the women at the GOP convention, cheering for two misogynists.
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Diane: Yes, and thinking/mindsets that we are born into and grow up with become baked in, so to speak, and are extremely difficult to change. Even if one realizes and WANTS to change, the effects can linger on in one’s spontaneous responses.
And if having serious discussions and engaging in self-reflection itself are unacceptable to one’s family and/or group mentality (like with so many men that I have known over time, but not exclusively of course) , then the potential for real change becomes even more remote, and especially when any expectation of change is existential . . . it feels like one is being attacked.
I don’t think the psychology of our present situation with MAGA and others, whatever it is, gives us the whole “picture” of what’s going on; but my guess is it is one of its major threads that defines the divisiveness between parties at present. The basic philosophical complex that underpins one’s psychology is also at play. But that’s a whole other story. CBK
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Vance is simply Peter Thiel’s minion. He will do whatever Peter Thiel tells him to do, and that’s a very, very bad thing for this country.
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Vance is a vicious, amoral Maga zealot who is only 39 and will be around for a long time to spew his right wing venom. If Trump wins in November, then Vance would be in the running for POTUS after Trump’s term is up, assuming he (Trump) will relinquish power.
However, I can’t help but think that these 2 ogres, with their massive egos, might be at each other’s throats at some point. There might be a falling out between Vance or Trump at some point in the future. See Pence for the details.
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I had this thought as well, Joe. Hard to imagine them getting along for long. They will be like two cats that don’t know each other tied up together inside a bag.
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Bob: The other thing is that (speaking of knowing), I think we can be pretty sure that Trump is really HATING getting older and dealing with the vagaries of age. We probably can add turn-green jealousy to our understanding of his interior life.
Trump can slither out of the law at every turn, but he cannot slither his way out of getting older and dying. My I-think plausible hope is that he will self-destruct sooner rather than later.
Also, notice the times Trump talks about how someone looks, even in his criticisms–my guess is his own shallow vanity helps to form his appraisal of others . . . Vance is right out of Hollywood casting, especially with the beard over a pasty, squishy round face, and Trump’s penchant for projection points to his choice of Vance as at least partly grounded in thinking that everyone is similarly shallow and vane, voting on Vance’s looks. Stupid is as Stupid Does. CBK
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Picking Vance is a huge mistake on TFG’s part, one I hope Democrats will capitalize on.
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Vance is a chameleon. I don’t believe anything he says. He will turn on a dime.
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Diane: Vance will “turn on a dime,” you mean like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, . . . . CBK
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Those who turned on a dime. Add Marco Rubio.
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Hi again Diane (and Bob): I’d like to qualify, if not change, my judgment about “going with” Nancy Pelosi’s expertise and thinking, in this case, about Biden stepping aside or, more importantly, about his chances of winning or losing the election.
I don’t pretend to know and, at this time and even later, I would probably be hard pressed to make a decision if I needed to. That said,
I stand by my judgment about Pelosi’s political abilities. But also recognize there ARE major differences between
(1) Pelosi’s context of expertly running the numbers for a divided Congress of already identified-with party members that she knows and
(2) American VOTERS, many of whom are not wholly party-identified, who (at this stage in history, like all of us) have no idea what will happen in the next couple of months; and who in many cases, are waiting to see, and who are not sure yet anyway.
In other words, there is ALOT that Nancy Pelosi does not know and that does not exactly pertain to her experiences, as excellently governed as they were. I don’t remember her predicting election outcomes either, though I may be wrong in this.
At any rate, FWIW, and though I know fence-sitting won’t work forever, that’s where I am right now. At present, Biden remains a psychic force like no other. And, as I see it (with some others here) Kamala is there in any case, the better to not deal with a sizable political breach. CBK
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Some on their own. Some with the help of Russian kompromat.
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Two wrongs don’t make a right used on a woman who had been raped is a cruelty only a MAGA could love.
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Roy: I heard that “two wrongs” thing. Such a statement applied to rape can only come from a complete simpleton. . . . and from someone who has never “walked in another’s shoes” (libido dominandi)
And he is another MAGA who thinks freedom for you means, unless you disagree with my way of thinking. CBK
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Traitor Trump made a deal with the leaders of the Christian Nationalist cult movement. They back him, and he’ll support and implement their Project 2025.
Vance was part of that deal. Since Traitor Trump is so focused on Trump, he may be blind to the real threat to Trump.
The leaders of the CN cult are not idiots. They know the Traitor cannot be trusted to deliver on any agreement he made with them. That’s why Vance is the traitors VP. One heartbeat away from the presidency.
Once in the White House, what’s going to stop the CN cult from getting rid of Trump one way or another, like using the 25th amendment to get rid of Trump and make Vance president?
Right now, to the followers of the CN cult, Traitor Trump is their savior, the 2nd coming of Christ, because the CN cult leaders behind the pulpits told their sheep that’s who Trump is. One day the traitor is still a savior: the next day he’s the devi’s spawn. After the CN cult’s leaders start preaching, they were fooled by a false prophet working for Satan.
Soon, President Vance is the White House, and the traitor is on his way to prison or dead.
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It always amuses me when trolls come onto this site to say how radical Diane Ravitch is because, of course, she is the very definition of a moderate. It’s just that in the era of Trump, the Repugnicans have become so extremist that anything short of brownshirts marching in the streets looks leftist to them. ROFL.
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Thank you, Bob. It’s repulsive that people do a drop-by to excoriate me as the exemplification of a left wing radical Comunist extremist. What a world!
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My brother once told me he was bewildered with the move of the nation toward fundamentalism and it’s rejection of science.
”I grew up thinking all that stuff would go away when the old folks passed on, but it’s seems like we are going backwards.” He once told me.
That was pre-Covid. Before Ivermectin. Before Christian Nationalism. Before Trump.
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I’m with your brother. I never imagined, when I was 16, that we would be here today, in the midst of a MAGA epidemic. I believed that Everyperson was on a road named Progress in a Bunyan-type allegory.
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WE HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
“There is no law! There’s just POWER!!! And the goal here is to get back in power!!!”
That’s the warning that Vice Presidential candidate J. D. Vance gave to New York Times reporter Ross Douthat — and gave to YOU.
You might think it’s great that a dictator and his henchmen gain the power to ignore the law, to become the law, and to then put down and imprison those dirty liberal Democrats…but when a few people become the law and have to power to enforce their will, no one — not even you who voted for them — are safe any longer because, drunk with power, they can also toss you into jail or send you to a concentration camp for doing or saying something that only yesterday was perfectly OK to do or say. They can change their mind on a whim…you never know what’s safe to do or say from day to day…from hour to hour.
That kind of fear changes everyone…you don’t know what to say to anyone, even to family and friends. In Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, family members secretly reported other family members in order to show their own loyalty to the dictator…friends ratted on friends…fear was always in everyone’s mind, and there was no one you could trust.
THAT’S what’s ahead for you and for America if Trump and his minions are elected and become the law.
Vance has given us plain warning of what’s to come.
Media moguls, corporate management, and oligarchs think that Trump will protect their billions…but, like Putin, Trump will be able to demand tribute — Big Money — from his loyal minions…and HE will be the only law, as his VP pick JD Vance told The New York Times: “There is no law! There’s just POWER!!! And the goal here is to get back in power!!!”
Trump will be the law. Trump will have the power.
Everyone else — billionaires and media moguls included — will be his minions, if he gets the power.
America’s oligarchs and media moguls need to focus their attention on what happens to Russian oligarchs and moguls when they fall out of favor with Putin…they fall out of windows.
Is that the future of fear that they want for themselves?
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This is the credo of the psychopath. It was the credo of Kissinger, for example. And now Vantz.
The credo of the psychopath and wannabe strongman.
Vantz. n. Yiddish. Bedbug
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omgggg Quickwit what meds are you on?? We already had TRump 4 years and he was nowhere near a dictator we were free. Last 4 years we have had mandates for our lives, censoring, doxxing and many more. Yopur comments are down right scary, our world has never been in more peril, yet you would kill to have clinton or harris continue to run this country to the ground
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Halal: You don’t know people very well, do you. And an attitude about the rule of law is what is missing from your analysis. What is it about the below quote that you do not understand? CBK
“There is no law! There’s just POWER!!! And the goal here is to get back in power!!!”
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Vance is another legend in his own mind. And a zealot.
He has no belief in what are normally considered virtues, such as empathy, kindness and tolerance. Most dangerously, he has no sense of humor.
The main advantage we would have is that if he’s elected, Trump will sideline him. Trump wants the limelight pointed in only one direction: at himself. Once he won the election, he consigned Mike Pence to oblivion and irrelevance, only to be trotted out when absolutely necessary.
Vance’s true danger is that in a choice between doing what’s right for the country and what’s right for the Catholic Church, he’ll toss the country overboard in a New York minute. All he has learned from life is how to get power and how to abuse it.
It’s no surprise that he became a Catholic. I can think of no organization more anti-democratic and totalitarian-friendly than the Church.
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