Jay Kuo interviewed John D. Gartner, psychologist and psychotherapist, who leads a group called Duty to Warn. The group consists of mental health professionals who are concerned about Trump’s cognitive decline. Gartner told Kuo: there are increasing signs the former president is heading fast down the road toward dementia.
I’m offering excerpts from this fascinating interview.
Kuo asks, Gartner answers:
We hear a lot about Biden’s age and gaffes, to the point where most Americans cite Biden’s age but not Trump’s as a big issue for the election, even though they are only three years apart. Based on what you and other experts have observed, why are you sounding the alarm about Trump, but not about Biden?
I call it the “double lie.” Pathologizing Biden’s normal aging is the first lie. Normalizing Trump’s dementia is the second. The sorts of small lapses we’ve seen in Biden are part and parcel of normal aging. Forgetting names and dates doesn’t make us seniors less competent. What we lack in memory we more than make up for in judgment, experience, and wisdom. Other cultures revere their elders, but America in 2024 mocks and devalues theirs. The problem isn’t old people in government—the dreaded “gerontocracy.” It’s age-ism.
Joe Biden’s calling the current president of France by the old president of France’s name is like me calling my youngest daughter by my oldest daughter’s name, which I do all the time. When I get together with my fellow senior citizens, the topic of forgetting often comes up. Sure, I forget names and even appointments sometimes. But I’m a better psychologist now than I’ve ever been. I actually pity the patients who had the young Dr. Gartner. He didn’t know anything, and, honestly, I can’t even imagine why anyone paid him. I would argue that Biden, too, has objectively performed well at his job, despite, or maybe even because, of his age. Don’t judge us senior citizens by how fast we walk, or if we stumble over a name or two. Judge us by our performance.
And hello. Forgetting the name of the president of France isn’t the same as thinking Obama is president or that Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi are one person. Can we introduce a sense of proportion and some common sense here?…
Here are some of Gartner’s examples of Trump’s strange language in public:
Trump shows formal signs of disordered speech we typically see only in organically impaired dementia patients:
A) “phonemic aphasia”
Trump uses non-words in place of real words, that usually include a fragment of the actual word. For example saying “mishuz” instead of missile, or “Chrishus” instead of Christmas. You can look at supercut reels assembled by Ron Filipkowski on Twitter, The Daily Show, and now by the Democratic House Judiciary Committee, as well. Both Chairman Nadler and Rep. Swalwellshowed their own supercuts of Trump’s cognitive decline at the Hur hearings, to counteract Hur’s partisan slur about Biden’s “poor memory.”
To demonstrate how pervasive these errors are, I present this long but far from exhaustive list of Trump’s phonemic aphasias:
“President U-licious S Grant” (For Ulysses S. Grant)
“space-capsicle” (for space capsule)
“combat infantroopen”(for combat infantry)
“sahhven country”(for sovereign country)
“renoversh” (For renovations)
“Anonmmiss” (for anonymous).
“transpants” (for transplants)
“lawmarkers” (for lawmakers)
“supply churn” (for supply chain)
“Rusher” (for Russia)
“raydoh” (for radio)
“Liberal-ation (for liberation”)
“benefishers” (for benificiaries)
“con-ducking” (for conducting)
“stat-tics, suh-tic-six” (for statistics)
“crimakle” (for criminal)
“armed forsiva” (for armed forces)
“internate” (for Internet)
“transjija” (for transition)
“stanktuary” (for sanctuary)
That last example took place during Trump’s State of the Union Address, just to contrast that with the SOTU we just witnessed. In recent rallies in GA, NC, and VA over the course of just a few days Trump evidenced more examples:
“We have becrumb a nation”
“All comp-ply-ments” to Joe Biden.
“I know Poten.”
“He can’t cam-pay. He can’t campaign.”
“We will expel the wald-mongers.”
But of course, this is exactly what we should expect. As he deteriorates, these deficits will make themselves apparent more and more often. Now he can’t get through a rally without an example. Cornell psychologist Harry Segal speculated Trump may be “sundowning” and hence most vulnerable to going off the rails at night-time rallies.
Some have argued that Trump’s impaired speech could be an articulation problem, rather than a brain problem. Some have argued he could be slurring from a variety of causes, from loose dentures to drug toxicity (indeed many have speculated that Trump might be abusing or even snorting Adderall or some other stimulant.)
But all those competing explanations are disproven by one fact. Trump commits these aphasic errors in his written posts, as well, proving the problem is in his brain, not his articulation.
For example, he recently posted:
“Joe Buden DISINFORMATES AND MISINFORMATES”
B) “Semantic aphasia”
Semantic aphasia is using a real word, but in a way that doesn’t correspond to its meaning. For example, when Trump referred to the “oranges of the investigation.” Another example would be “midtown and midturn elections.” Recently, when apparently trying to say “three years later,” Trump said:
“Three years, lady, lady, lady.”
More recently Trump said at a rally:
“We’re going to protect pro-God…”
In mid-sentence he goes blank and looks at the ceiling. When he reboots, the words he uses to complete the sentence don’t make sense:
“…context and content.”
C) Complete loss of all verbal language
Like an infant sometimes, Trump just makes sounds:
“Gang boong. This is me. I hear bing.”
Until finally, he is reduced to silence.
“Saudi Arabia and Russia will re-ve-du. Ohhh…”
Trump’s face went blank, followed by a sigh, and a silent pause while he looked at the ceiling.
D) Tangential Thinking
Trump evidences “tangential thinking” where he drifts from one unrelated thought fragment to another, and sometimes tries to “confabulate” them into a story. But the narrative is literally incoherent. When the press describes Trump’s speeches as “rambling,” they are gaslighting us with a euphemistic word that normalizes the grossly abnormal. Trump regularly degenerates into
incomprehensible strings of words.
Just recently outside a New York courtroom, Trump declared:
“We can’t have an election in the middle of a political season. We just had Super Tuesday. And we had a Tuesday after Tuesday already.”
Other examples would be:
“We are an institute in a powerful death penalty. We will put this on.”
“I could tell you about aircraft carriers, where they use electric catapults. They couldn’t go to the steam, which works better for about 1/100th the price, you know? The electric catapult, you know that story? I could tell you about the elevators on a tremendous carrier, the Gerald Ford, and they decided not to use hydraulic like the John Deere tractor, they decided to use magnets, ‘we’re gonna use magnets!’ to lift up the elevators with seven planes.”
In a recent string of rallies in GA, SC, and VA he said:
“They say I’m cognitively impaired. I’m not cognitively.”
“They don’t want illegal immigrants knocking on their front door and saying I’m going to use your kitchen. And I’m going to use your bedroom and there’s not a damn thing. And that’s the nice ones, okay?”
“They raided my house in Florida, Mar-a-Lago, they raided. With no raid, they had no reason to do so.”
Some of his utterances are incomprehensible for a different reason. They suggest Trump is so disoriented he’s occupying a different reality than everyone else.
For example:
“They’re weaponizing law enforcement for high-level interference against Joe Biden’s top and only political appointment. A guy named me. A guy named me.”
At a recent rally, he said:
“Biden beat Barack Hussein Obama. Ever heard of him?”
Biden never beat Obama. So we have to conclude that Trump is confused about basic reality, and living in a different reality that changes unpredictably. When a confused patient is evaluated in an emergency room, a standard psychiatric question to determine if a patient is disoriented is:
“Who is President of the United States?”
If you get that wrong the most probable explanations are dementia, psychosis or drug toxicity, and most probably you’d be admitted for observation in any case.
From Diane: since writing this post, I saw this clip of Trump speaking about the border. Please watch it.
It’s a tweet from Republicans Against Trump.
Donald Trump on the border crisis:
“People are pouring over. It’s sort of known as Steak Mountain. Steak Hill. Snake. Snakes…a lot of snakes…rattlesnakes…”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule#:~:text=When%20providing%20opinions%20of%20psychological,figure%20they%20have%20not%20examined.
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The Goldwater Rule is bullshit. Some attributes of some people are OBVIOUS TO ANY OBSERVER. Trump is a Malignant Narcissistic Psychopath. Anyone who hasn’t recognized this is blinded by ideology or working against the interests of our country and for those of some enemy.
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The rule is bullshit because it is these professionals’ DUTY to speak out when the mental incapacity of a public figure endangers people.
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Wow
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I bet I would sound worse than Biden. I don’t think I could ever compete with Trump, or even with my wife’s Aunt Minnie, who used to suggest a surrogate knife to cut tomatoes
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A surrogte knife!!! ROFL!!!
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An elderly lady in my family made a comment about “public hair” on the soap in a hotel bathroom.
A nun who taught English alongside me brought me one of her student’s papers on the topic, “St. Paul Preaches to the Genitals.”
And the less said about copulative verbs the better, I guess.
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those copulative verbs are such a dog and pony show
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great report Diane. Thank you
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Thanks for this post. Concerns about Biden’s fitness increased when he started to walk like an elder after his biking accident. I am not worried if Biden has to sit in a wheelchair like FDR because it’s what’s between the ears that counts. Substituting one word or another is normal aging. Biden is logical, coherent, informed and engaged, and he has an array of competent advisers. Trump is a train wreck as the videos show. As a matter of fact, one reason for our spate of real train wrecks is due to Trump rolling back the regulations for train safety. There is no doubt Trump is “insane in the membrane.”
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BTW Biden just released his 26th consecutive year of tax returns. As for the con man, there’s nothing he’ll release.
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The Christian Nationalist MAGARINOs that support Traitor Trump will dismiss all of this evidence of the Traitor’s dementia just like they excuse all of his crimes as fake news, and claim their little god is speaking in tongues.
The KKK by any other name will always find a way to justify their support of the traitor.
“Speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia, is an activity or practice in which people utter words or speech-like sounds, often thought by believers to be languages unknown to the speaker. One definition used by linguists is the fluid vocalizing of speech-like syllables that lack any readily comprehended meaning.” Wikipedia
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I don’t think you can call the Trumpanzees RINOs anymore, Lloyd. They represent what the Republican Party has become. They are no longer an aberration within the party, and so they are no longer Republicans in Name Only (RINOS). They are the party now.
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Late night had a field day with T’s recent description of the battle of Gettysburg <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/arts/television/jimmy-kimmel-trump-manhattan-trial.html?searchResultPosition=3>. It’s hilarious until you think of the stakes behind it.
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Trump is a horrible human being, dementia or no dementia. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House but who knows how the Electoral College lottery will play out this time around.
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Joe Jersey,
You make an excellent point.
Even if Trump has experienced no dementia, he is a horrible human being.
He kowtows to dictators, he expresses racism, xenophobia, etc, he encourages Putin to attack our allies, he glories in appointing the justices who overturned Roe, he denies climate change. Even if had sound mind, his policies are outrageously horrible.
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I stipulate that Trump very likely has suffered cognitive decline in addition to always being mentally lazy, hence his endless incoherent speaking. But it is hyper-partisanship to imply/state that there is no plausible evidence to suspect that Joe Biden has also suffered cognitive decline. Why won’t he agree to undergo a basic cognitive test, the same exam that is routinely given to people in his age range? A favorable exam would eliminate the biggest political liability that Biden has: the large percentage of the public that believes that Biden has slipped. Why does he only do sporadic interviews, and those only with friendly journalists who ask no challenging questions? How to explain the many examples of physically and mentally wandering?
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Do you mean the cognitive test that Trump was asked to take? “person, man, woman, camera, tv”? The Montreal Cognitive Assessment is only given to people suspected of having and with signs of dementia. Joe Biden has not shown signs of dementia. He is old, he has a stutter, so what? The stutter alone can appear to some that he has a cognitive issue, but it is in fact a “form of verbal diversity”, http://www.expressable.com/learning-center/stuttering/is-stuttering-a-disorder-or-disa…
President Biden has pressers with all the journalists, not just friendlies. He doesn’t yell at them, call them stupid or shut them down as tRump did consistently. He makes efforts to answer their questions, even the stupid ones. Since his bicycle accident, he has slowed down, but gosh at 81, he is still riding under his own power and that’s pretty great.
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And Biden doesn’t refer to the free press as “the enemy of the people,” as Trump did and does. Nor does he insult and mock them. Remember his imitation of a journalist with a disability? Sheer cruelty.
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“President Biden has pressers with all the journalists, not just friendlies.“
What fantasy world do you live in? Biden never gives interviews to any journalists who ask him challenging questions. He goes on MSNBC or CNN where they slobber over him.
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Reagan gave even fewer interviews, only to friendly reporters.
Biden has generated a booming economy, outstripping all our peers.
I care about his policies and programs. I don’t care if FOX never gets to interview him.
By the way, Jill, how many times has Trump gone on with Rachel Maddow or Laurence O’Donnell on MSNBC?
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If Biden’s is a communal presidency, run by staff, now, all I can say is that those folks are doing a great job. However, I hope they will avoid catastrophic election year idiocies like these, which they are considering:
This is the kind of crap that is disastrous policy but plays will in American “News for Morons.”
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I’m sorry. Fox so-Called News sends its minions to press conferences to ask “the hard questions” all the time, “Jill Jackson” or whoever you are. Please stop spouting utter nonsense.
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yeah, the test that Trump thought was an IQ test. HOW the holy hookah does one get to be 77 years old without being able to tell the difference between an IQ test and a dementia screening? One has to be a very special kinda fella like Donnie.
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For all his flaws – endless – Trump is usually very accessible to the media. Lately he has mostly appeared on Fox, but he has been interviewed on the broadcast networks far more often than Biden has.
Two things can both be true: both Trump and Biden have likely lost a fair amount of cognitive strength, not surprising given their ages. I’m willing to recognize this likelihood, but partisans on both sides are not – when it comes to the person they support.
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I have made no bones here about the fact that I think that Biden is indeed acting like an elder. But he is delivering. HE AND HIS CREW are delivering sanity and good governance after 4 years of the Imbecile tweeting major unilateral changes in Defense stances at 3:00 in the morning, in opposition to his SECDEF and his Joint Chiefs, that serve Putin and get our allies killed.
For example.
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Jill Jackson,
I don’t care how often Trump speaks to FOX or Newsmax. I care about what he says and what he says he will do if re-elected.
He says he will make a tax cut for the richest permanent. He says he will cut Social Security and Medicare. He says he will dismantle the civil Sevice and replace career workers with political hires. He will ignore climate change, as he did in his first term. He will appoint more Supreme Court justices who will take away the rights of women, gays, and others. He will serve the interests of billionaires like himself. He will withdraw from NATO.
Is this what you want?
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It seems that a lot of Repugnicans will literally allow ANYTHING to happen as long as they get tax breaks. That’s all that matters to them because the wealthy don’t think that they have sucked everyone else dry enough yet.
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I believe that Biden is indeed suffering physical and cognitive decline. Hell, I’m an old guy myself. I am suffering physical and cognitive decline. But we need to think as many in the past did. He’s old, but he has wisdom and experience and is the perfect Chief to be advising the council doing the actually quotidian work of governing. My take.
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And the tariffs that Biden is considering as election year pandering to the anti-Chinese hate mongers will do a LOT of damage. “You catch more flies with honey, baby,” my Grandma used to say.
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I think it’s Trump that’s offering 100% tariffs on all Chinese goods, Bob. Not Biden. Tariffs raise prices to consumers.
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Biden to Call for Tripling Tariffs on Chinese Steel Products in Pittsburgh Speech – The New York Times (nytimes.com)
And it’s not just steel. But yes, Trump has also been doing his usual thing at rallies, shrieking that he is going to put 100 percent tariffs on stuff from China, stoking the Trumpanzees with 2-minutes hates.
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The last thing we need to be doing is giving the Chinese a taste of weaning themselves from sales to the United States. In 2021, Russian imports from China were 76 billion. US imports from China were 506 billion. We need each other, and this keeps us safe.
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I do have issue with ONLY one example of Trump’s language tells presented here: Many people I know from the same part of New York where Trump spent a great deal of time use the term “Rusher” for “Russia.” It’s very common to hear a New Yorker from that area of the state pronounce “a” or “uh” sounds as “er” when they appear at the ends of words. It’s kind of like Bostonians actually removing “R” pronunciations from the ends of words. I always said the “Rs”’trickled down to NY and were picked up by the people there.
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Trump doesn’t live in upstate New York, never did. Queens and Manhattan only. Maybe he played golf once upstate.
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Yes, that’s the area where I hear the “Rs” added on.
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BTW. How do you screw on a jar lid?
Well, in Spanish, the memory aid, or mnemonic, is this:
“La derecha oprime; la izquierda libera.”
The right oppresses, the left liberates.
Thanks to Sarah Becan for this lovely observation.
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