My personal view: I hope Congress passes and the President signs a rational and fair immigration bill. Every one who enters the country should enter legally. Once they are admitted, they should be able to get work permits. If they are seeking asylum, their case should be heard by an immigration judge in a matter of weeks or months, not years. I am not an expert on the subject, just a citizen expressing her views.
Catherine Rampell of the Washington Post asks an interesting question: What if the common wisdom about the costs and benefits of immigration is wrong? We have heard incessantly about the dangers of immigration, about “rapists and murderers,” about all the negatives, but we have also seen a rise in child labor, which may be a replacement for immigrant workers.
Rampell writes:
As the economy has improved and consumers have begun recognizing that improvement, Republicans have pivoted to attacking President Biden on a different policy weakness: immigration. After all, virtually everyone — Democrats included — seems to agree the issue is a serious problem.
But what if that premise is wrong? Voters and political strategists have treated our country’s ability to draw immigrants from around the world as a curse; it could be a blessing, if only we could get out of our own way.
Consider a few numbers: Last week, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released updated 10-year economic and budget forecasts. The numbers look significantly better than they did a year earlier, and immigration is a key reason.
The CBO has now factored in a previously unexpected surge in immigration that began in 2022, which the agency assumes will persist for several years. These immigrants are more likely to work than their native-born counterparts, largely because immigrants skew younger. This infusion of working-age immigrants will more than offset the expected retirement of the aging, native-born population.
This will in turn lead to better economic growth. As CBO Director Phill Swagel wrote in a note accompanying the forecasts: As a result of these immigration-driven revisions to the size of the labor force, “we estimate that, from 2023 to 2034, GDP will be greater by about $7 trillion and revenues will be greater by about $1 trillion than they would have been otherwise.”
Got that? The surprise increase in immigration has led a multitrillion-dollar windfall for both the overall economy and federal tax coffers.
The CBO is hardly the only observer that has highlighted the benefits of the recent influx of foreign-born workers.
As I reported in 2021, “missing” immigrant workers — initially because of pandemic-driven border closures and later because of backlogged immigration agencies — contributed to labor shortages and supply-chain problems. But since then, work-permit approvals and other bureaucratic processes have accelerated. Federal Reserve officialsnoted that this normalization of immigration numbers boosted job growth and helped unwind supply-chain kinks.
Over the long term, Federal Reserve Chair Jerome H. Powell recently said on CBS News’s “60 Minutes,” “the U.S. economy has benefited from immigration. And, frankly, just in the last year a big part of the story of the labor market coming back into better balance is immigration returning to levels that were more typical of the pre-pandemic era.”
A rise in the number of people ready and willing to work is not the only economic benefit. Immigrants are also associated with other positive growth effects, including higher entrepreneurship rates and disproportionate contributions to science, research and innovation.
Consider, too, the national security, humanitarian and religious arguments for providing refuge to persecuted people around the world.
None of this is to diminish the near-term stresses on the U.S. economy that come from poorly managed flows of immigration. These challenges clearly exist, both at the southwest border and in cities such as New York and Chicago, where busloads of asylum seekers are ending up (by choice or otherwise). Absent more resources to manage these inflows and expedite processing either to authorize migrants to work in the United States or to return them to their home countries, this strain will continue.
But there are ways to harness the energies and talents of the “tempest-tost” and patch our tattered immigration system. Some of those tools were built into the bipartisan Senate border bill, which now appears dead.
Instead, GOP lawmakers scaremonger about the foreign-born, characterizing immigration as an invasion. As Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.) dog-whistled last week, “Import the 3rd world. Become the 3rd world.”
Alas, the faction working to turn the United States into a developing country is not immigrants but Collins’s own party. It’s Republicans, after all, who have supported the degradation of the rule of law; the return of a would-be dictator; the gutting of public education and health-care systems; the rollback of clean-water standards and other environmental rules; and the relaxation of child labor laws (in lieu of letting immigrants fill open jobs, of course).
America has historically drawn hard-working immigrants from around the world precisely because its people and economy have more often been shielded from such “Third World”-like instability, which Republican politicians now invite in.
Ronald Reagan, the erstwhile leader of the conservative movement, often spoke poignantly of this phenomenon. In one of his last speeches as president, he described the riches that draw immigrants to our shores and how immigrants in turn redouble those riches:
Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we’re a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.— https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/remarks-presentation-ceremony-presidential-medal-freedom-5
Reagan’s words reflected the poetry of immigration. Since then, the prose — as we’ve seen in the economic numbers, among other metrics — has been pretty compelling, too.
Catherine Rampell is an opinion columnist at The Washington Post. She frequently covers economics, public policy, immigration and politics, with a special emphasis on data-driven journalism. She is also an economic and political commentator for CNN, a special correspondent for the PBS NewsHour and a contributor to Marketplace. She serves on the advisory board for the Journal of Economic Perspectives. Before joining The Post, she wrote about economics and theater for the New York Times. Rampell received the 2021 Online Journalism Award for Commentary and the 2010 Weidenbaum Center Award for Evidence-Based Journalism, and she is a six-time Gerald Loeb Award finalist. She grew up in Florida and graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Princeton University.
Honors and Awards: Weidenbaum Center Award for Evidence-Based Journalism, 2010; Gerald Loeb Award, Finalist, 2011; Gerald Loeb Award, Finalist, 2012; Gerald Loeb Award, Finalist, 2018; Gerald Loeb Award, Finalist, 2019; Gerald Loeb Award, Finalist, 2020; Gerald Loeb Award, Finalist, 2021; Online Journalism Award, 2021

These are outstanding views.
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Don the Con Trump as politician was a creation of Jeff Sessions, Stephen Miller, and Steve Bannon, who looked around for someone to carry their racist, anti-immigrant agenda forward and settled on Trump because of the Orange Idiot’s campaign to get the innocent Central Park Five executed and his birtherism re: Obama. See the Frontline documentary “Zero Tolerance,” which spells this all out.
EVERYTHING the now uttely racist Trumpanzee Repugnican Party says about immigration is wrong. It is a net boon for our economy. Undocumented immigrants start small businesses and hire both citizens and other immigrants at 10 times the rate that citizens do. Like everyone else, they buy gasoline and groceries and so exert demand, which creates jobs (that REALLY basic economics, folks). They pay billions in taxes each year using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs) in lieu of Social Security Numbers, while qualifying for and receiving very little in the way of social services. So, they are a net positive both in terms of job creation (about 1 percent positive) and in terms of cost to the country. And they are making up for our aging workforce and supplying workers for the jobs that citizens do not want.
The anti-immigrant thing is pure Fascist fear-mongering based on racial scapegoats. IT IS PRECISELY WHAT HITLER DID in the early 1930s, and now as then, it is not reality-based.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST OF THE TRUMP LIES, and it has been repeated enough by Repugnicans and by idiot journalists who do not bother to scratch the surface of the Repugnican claims that EVEN PROGRESSIVES, some of them on this blog, write and speak sometimes of our “immigrant crisis.”
We don’t have an immigrant crisis; we have an immigrant boon.
And, of course, the anti-immigrant people call themselves patriots but have no clue what the American Experiment is all about. We are an immigrant nation. Reagan knew this.
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And don’t forget that immigrants have lower crime rates than Native-born Americans, so Trump’s entire premise was upsidedown. Most immigrants are good people and a very small percentage are criminals. From a study in Texas by the Cato institute. (Texas is the only state that records and keeps the immigration statuses of those entering the criminal justice system.) ”In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas.”
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Department of Justice crime stats also confirm this.
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Why does the DNC not attempt to educate Americans about the immigration issue? Why do they let the utter falsehoods about immigration persist?
Because it is also full of racists pandering to the racist white oligarchical class in exchange for crumbs from the oligarchs’ tables.
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Well said. Democrats must push back hard against these lies.
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And the failure of our press to educate people on this issue is truly shocking. It’s just like the failure of our press to educate people on the invalidity of the federally mandated state tests and the utter failure of the Common [sic] Core [sic]. Investigative journalism is effectively dead, as is the union movement. The wealthy have killed both. They are now engaged in trying to eliminate the last vestiges of these two mighty streams that made America powerful, wealth, and happy. Why? Because the rich always want more. Because they will push their toy (the people) until it breaks.
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@Bob — Here’s what I know./experienced…When I taught American Government we discussed the immigration issues. As a person who likes to “make sense of things” I taught my students to look at the laws and the “whys and how’s” of “crossing the border.” Many of my students families were from Mexico. All I know is the kids would laugh when I cleaned my own room, mowed my lawn, and such. Remember this fantasy film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYJcfhxMkrQ
I looked into deportation and at the time the sources I read said it would be far too expensive to “round ’em up” and “move ’em out.” A better plan would to get people on a path to citizenship. I was indirectly part of helping people legally become citizens. Not a day goes by that I see hardworking immigrants as part of my community. What’s more concerning is how many people are completely ignorant to a lot of things. ”Do I have to read it? Just tell me who to vote for.” I constantly thought, “Hmmm…we can send an orbiter to beyond our galaxy, but we can’t seem to find a solid plan at the border.” When I worked in San Diego, the Border Patrol visited us a least once or twice a month to “round up employees” take back across the border only for the folks to return. Now, who created that issue? If we keep a permanent “working class” one can pay sub-par wages and really has no voice if they don’t like something…makes one think who really “gets the money.” My DEA officer friend told me, “It is a death sentence for many of these people if they are sent back to their own country think MS13. And the flow of drugs? America has a huge drug problem; they love their drugs.” He showed my class why he and his agents were in Columbia, El Salvador, and such trying to “kill the spider.” I remember Molly Ivins always talking about the “wall contest” in Texas. https://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/30/ivins.immigration/
As you stated, Bob, it takes time to educate one’s self on issues. It takes a lot of reading to get to the truth. https://www.vera.org/news/yes-its-legal-to-seek-immigration-asylum-in-the-united-states#:~:text=Asylum%20is%20a%20form%20of,%2C%20religion%2C%20or%20political%20beliefs.
Are we deemed to repeat history:
Chinese Exclusion Act
The Chinese Exclusion Act was a United States federal law signed by President Chester A. Arthur on May 6, 1882, prohibiting all immigration of Chinese laborers for 10 years. The law made exceptions for merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats.
I guess after the railroad was built, eh? https://www.history.com/news/transcontinental-railroad-chinese-immigrants#
We live in a society of sound bites and “4 minute reads.” When a politician says, we will do this or do that, just tell the people the bill that will be added to their taxes to make it happen. I would be curious to see how people would vote. As always just my take on the world around me. Thanks for allowing me to share.
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I worked with immigrants for more than three and a half decades as an ESL teachers. I am humbled by their perseverance, resourcefulness and resilience. My son-in-law is Mexican, and he has his green card. It remains difficult for newcomers to find reliable employment or to be self-employed in this country now that everything is so much more expensive.
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Yup. These racist anti-immigrant Repugnicans don’t know any. To them, immigrants are just the folks who clean their houses, manicure their lawns, tidy up their hotel rooms, not folks they might actually have interactions with and come to know.
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Our pundit class has to realize that there is Aggregate good and and Micro economic individual harm in every policy. They have to learn how to address both. The problem of immigration is not just adjusting to how to deal with a rapid influx of new comers at the border or in cities like NYC. A shortage of labor we may have. Are these new comers the Electrical Engineers,Teachers and Data Scientists that are retiring. Of course they could be a generation from now.
Diane, the States that are loosening up child labor laws are not doing so with the intention of the “gentry ” sending their children to work instead of school nor even the children of their white citizenry. That privilege of working instead of schooling is strictly intended for the children of immigrants and minority children. I am almost shocked that they did not spell that out in the language of those bills.
One of the reasons that wages at the bottom of the wage ladder finally rose is that Covid created an actual shortage of labor. Allowing the bottom 3 quin-tiles to get raises that equaled or surpassed inflation. As a New Yorker you would look at that wage at the 60th percentile and say that annual wage is pretty dismal. Most National Figures are not regionally adjusted at least not in the headline numbers. Remember the shortage of truckers me either it seems like a distant memory. All it took was raising wages and working conditions and like magic truckers fell from the heavens and the shortage disappeared with the back up at the ports and terminals. Wages for fast food workers and waiters rose and going to a restaurant is no longer like a scene from Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry David Grabs his own food.
It is fact that immigrant labor is exploited by employers as leverage against wages in industries from meat packing and fast food to Construction to even Tech where the prevailing wage provisions of H1B workers are seldomly enforced. The workers at the higher end like in Union Construction see unscrupulous developers using that labor and shoot for the low hanging fruit, the immigrant looking for a safe haven. Not the greedy Developer and his Wall Street Banks exploiting the immigrant labor to wring additional profit for themselves and their investors. In fact these workers own dwindling (less contributions)401ks are invested in some of the same institutions that are profiting from exploiting immigrants. They are perfect targets for demagogues.
So yes a safe haven for as many as we can. But Republicans have no intention of solving either the problem at the border or the labor issues. They blocked basically their own immigration bill and the Pro Act that would help organize these immigrant workers so as not to undercut Natives wages.
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You always have good insights into the labor market and the economy.
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Here’s what I know…a young man (US Citizen) I met four years ago in my 8th grade class has been accepted to CSU San Jose State, Chico, Fullerton, and UC Riverside. Even though I retired, I never miss the opportunity to help young people succeed the best I can. He told me when he was in elementary school the teacher told he smelled like a pig. He had to face a tremendous amount of adversity. He was the first in the morning to be in my class. At 13, his father was killed by a hit and run driver. I still don’t think justice has been served. That left his mother (undocumented) to run the family who spoke no English. Now, my student was the man of the house and taking care of “adult things” while trying to further himself in education. During 8th grade, he applied for a very difficult high school in our area — https://geca.gilroyunified.org I took on the role of his mentor, gave him rides to the campus and other places, and made sure he knew how to interact with adults/application process. This school is difficult. Even when he wanted to quit, he never did. I believe he maintains a 4.0 GPA and is one test away from a general community college AA as well (that’s part of what GECA does). This young man has lived in one room with his mom and sister, faced a plethora of “drug people/gangs” and has had to do his homework outside even when it was raining (very strange landlord). I told him, “This is why you don’t quit. You are going to be the change for your family; you are going to be the change for your community; your kids won’t have to go through this; this is why you don’t quit.” He is so passionate about learning and excited for his future. I wrote a citizenship letter for his mother and she is in the process of obtaining it. They have always lived in fear and my student always feared he would have to move again. But, this is one story of many (closer to me than most) about work ethic and the power of education. This is an enlightening read: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy As always, just what I have experienced.
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Joel, I hope you don’t mind me associating myself with you, but
I’m with Joel. Joel’s comments are infallible.
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It is too bad the Republicans have decided to make immigration the fear du jour. We are in a place where we need to address immigration rationally. Climate change is about to disrupt world populations in ways that appear political, but are actually environmental. We need discussions about how we should fill this vast country of ours.
I have watched the re-populating of Tennesse over my 60 years of conscious life. It has happened largely because of forces outside of Tennessee have motivated migration, making our state look better to those disenchanted with their lot in life in other states. This has had the effect of turning Tennessee deep red (matches the necks) and filling up suburban areas around large cities and pushing population into rural areas. The process has caused major problems environmentally. Various species of animals and plants are under duress, and the people moving to the area usually do not feel responsible for their impact on the natural environment.
We need to have a continuing rational conversation about how we would like to live with our natural environment. We need this on a national and well as a local level. It cannot happen in the current political climate.
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Immigration is a blessing to the economy, and diversity provides different perspectives on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We have always been a nation of immigrants. As the Reagan quote demonstrates, the GOP was not always opposed to immigration. However, the immigrants of the Reagan era were white majority. Today, more immigrants are brown or Asian so part of the resistance to immigration may be due to our old Achilles heel, racism.
The chaos at the border feeds the right wing talking points, and the optics look bad for Biden. That is why the GOP is not interested in addressing the chaos, and secretly most of them are thrilled with the availability of more cheap labor.
One of the stories on “60 Minutes” last week was about Abbott and the Texas border crisis that the right wing are using it for political fodder instead of providing funding for enforcement, improved immigration policy and more immigration judges. Other right wing governors like DeSantis and Lee are jumping on the border crisis bandwagon to get publicity for “protecting our border.” The most useful insights came from retired U.S. Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz who did not take political sides. His most useful suggestion was to deport anyone that bypasses the port of entry. This seems like a reasonable suggestion that should slow down illegal walk-in entries.
Democrats must work on messaging to shift the responsibility of border chaos to the GOP that has failed to serve the interests of our nation. The extremists are not working for our country. They are working for Donald Trump.
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Note to this blog’s far Left readers: the People’s Utopia to the north of the U.S. has long had far more restrictive immigration laws. They have a “points” system that allows in only immigrants who will be self-supporting, not those who will be burdens on social services (some exceptions for genuine political – not economic – refugees).
If unlimited immigration of minimally-educated, low-skilled, low income people is such a huge economic gain for a country, why does left-wing Canada not have such a policy? And once all of the unauthorized immigrants become eligible for all American welfare programs – when they become citizens as Democrats want – how are they a net benefit to taxpayers, considering that low income citizens on average receive far more in public benefits than they pay in? That’s a deliberate feature of a progressive tax system.
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Far left. HAAAAAA! OMG. Tell us another one.
You are finding it difficult to be reality-based about immigration, I see. Perhaps talk to a psychologists about the need to bash immigrants. What personal insecurities does this mask? It’s possible to work these matters out.
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low income citizens on average receive far more in public benefits than they pay in?
false. The very few benefits that they are able to receive are marginal costs. It costs almost nothing to add student 29 to a class of 28. Duh.
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We should also remember that blue state taxes are subsidizing red states that often refuse to take responsibility to help their neediest people.
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Mr. Shepherd,
You make a fool of yourself everytime you write about immigration. You respond to anyone who dissents from the party line here with personal insults and comments based purely in sentimentality.
Several studies of this issue concluded that on average a family of four citizens needs around $60,000 in gross income before their total taxes begin to exceed the public benefits they receive. Some families more, some less, but the average is the important figure. Those studies are several years old, so the figure may be closer now to $70,000.
That’s why it’s accurate to say that – on average – blue states pay more taxes on average and receive less in public benefits than red states do. Blue states have higher average incomes than red states, so with a progressive federal income tax system blue states pay more federal income taxes. That’s a designed feature of the system. If unauthorized immigrants become citizens, they will factor into these calculations the same way.
Barbara Jordan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Paul Krugman, and many other prominent liberals used to say that immigration of low-income people had to be limited because of these fiscal realities. Were they racists? Let’s have some fun while you whitesplain to us that Barbara Jordan was actually a racist with insecurities.
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Joe Staley
Are you expecting us PINKOS to take it on your authority what those LEFTY Public Officials used to say . How about getting on your Google machine and providing us unfortunate Snow Flakes with a few Quotes in context from a few of the seven you referenced.
This should sound like feathers floating .
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Joel,
That you don’t know that those seven people had the immigration views that I cite shows that your only sources of information are those that reinforce your existing opinions. Likewise for almost everyone else who comments on this blog.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/369153-barbara-jordans-wisdom-is-needed-in-todays-immigration-debate/
https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/notes-on-immigration/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7LGoHV3aKs
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4631739/user-clip-bill-clinton-illegal-immigration
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-01-09-chuck-schumer-vs-chuck-schumer-on-illegal-immigration/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/16/years-bernie-sanders-warned-that-increased-immigration-would-lower-wages-us-workers-now-he-barely-mentions-it/
You can now apologize for doubting what I wrote here.
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Joe Staley, it’s possible to state your views without insulting every other commenter on the blog. Why bother adding your voice to a forum you hold in low regard?
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Contrary to the misinformation often spread by the right wing, unregistered immigrants do not qualify for most benefits. They cannot receive “welfare” or Social Security.
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Retired Teacher,
Unauthorized immigrants don’t qualify for every public assistance program. But they do qualify for public schools, medical care at hospitals, and housing (see NYC). If they become citizens, they will then be eligible for ALL public assistance programs.
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Dear Joel,
My colleague Joe Staley asked me to post this response to you. These are his citations.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/369153-barbara-jordans-wisdom-is-needed-in-todays-immigration-debate/
https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/notes-on-immigration/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4631739/user-clip-bill-clinton-illegal-immigration
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-01-09-chuck-schumer-vs-chuck-schumer-on-illegal-immigration/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/16/years-bernie-sanders-warned-that-increased-immigration-would-lower-wages-us-workers-now-he-barely-mentions-it/
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Did I not JUST SAY, above, that even progressives are often woefully ill-informed about the realities regarding immigration OR themselves given to racist stereotyping (which isn’t, btw, limited to white folks).
Barack Obama was a corporate tool who bailed out the banks instead of the homeowners, staffed his cabinet with masters of the universe from the financial industries, accepted a 6.5 million-dollar gift of a vacation home from Penny Pritzker and then appointed her Secretary of Commerce, oversaw a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the 1% via his quantitative easing program, and conducted the illegal second Iraq War and its extension into Afghanistan EXACTLY according to the George Bush, Jr., gameplan. He was Pinocchio. American oligarchs were his Geppettos. He played a progresssive on television while out-Repugnicaning the Repugnicans.
My tables—meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain. –Hamlet
You say “my colleague,” Ms. Swatek. And what enterprise are you and Mr. Stayley involved in?
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Joe Staley
“Barbara Jordan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Paul Krugman, and many other prominent liberals used to say that immigration of low-income people had to be limited because of these fiscal realities.”
Definition Fiscal -“relating to government revenue, especially taxes “
Which fiscal realities . Why these of Course .
“how are they a net benefit to taxpayers, considering that low income citizens on average receive far more in public benefits than they pay in?”
So your claim is that the undocumented present a challenge because of the economic cost and you did cite one economist in the 7. Paul Krugman who I read frequently, daily if you count his twitter feed.
First: if you read my response to Diane’s post? I acknowledged that immigration even legal immigration has an impact on wages of Native workers ,as does Krugman . Of course the problem could be immigration or the lack of enforceable US labor law. There is a reason that only 5-6% of American workers are in Private Sector Unions yet 67% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Unions. (Presumably not Warren Buffets class.) And that reason is not immigrants but those who employ them to drive down wages. That does not have to be the case. But for the party of seditious demagogues. Immigrants built the American Labor Movement and our earlier immigration laws were aimed at keeping out those trade unionists and socialists along with those undesirables from Southern and Eastern Europe who somehow in the words of the NY Times eventually “became White.”
But as to your claim about the burden of immigration on the economy this is what Krugman actually concluded in the opinion piece you posted.
“I think that you’d be hard pressed to find any set of assumptions under which Mexican immigrants are a net fiscal plus, but equally hard pressed to make the burden more than a fraction of a percent of G.D.P.”
Of course that opinion piece was written in 2006 near 2 decades ago. As Krugman stated in the piece acknowledging that economics is not a physical science with set laws.
“Like all research results, the conclusions of these papers may have to be revised in the light of future research”.
Who am I to argue with the Economists at the Congressional Budget Office. My favorite economist always says that “Economics is the only profession that you could miss a housing bubble the size of the Marshmallow man in Ghost Busters and keep your Job.” (he didn’t miss it ).
Now I did not see where Barbra Jordan was quoted as saying that the immigrants are a burden on the Economy. I can certainly understand that Jordan Represented a minority community whose economic aspirations have been crushed forever. That certainly more so than white workers, That wage threat was greater less than 30 years after LBJ freed the slaves. Congresswoman Jordan’s concern was on the impact on wages of Black Workers already in low wage Jobs at the bottom of the wage ladder.
Nor did I see where Obama said immigrants were a fiscal burden.
Nor did Chuck Schumer say anything about the fiscal burden of immigration.
And Bernie he is my hero because his concern was again that undocumented workers were being exploited as wage slaves lowering the wages of American workers . American employers have not needed immigrant help to do that. They do it quite well on their own. In fact the Red er the state the poorer the working class. Damn I am tired of picking up your tab down there. But employers in the North were not far behind. Bernie has proposed legalizing those workers in the Pro Act and making it easier to Organize them . But I did not hear where he said they were a Tax Burden .
Okay I have to admit Bubba did say in his State of the Union that undocumented immigrants were a tax burden 1/7 is not bad. But think of who said it. I have always said the only thing Clinton ever did in the oval office that did no harm involved ….. we wont go there on Diane’s page.
Listen the next time you use Chatgdp to generate a list of links try narrowing the search. You could have read my earlier comment to know that aggregate economic benefit can translate on a micro economic level to pain for others.
But thanks, can I use your links. Try reading them next time.
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US companies plead for more migrants.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-05/bloomberg-evening-briefing-us-companies-want-more-immigrants?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&fbclid=IwAR05MiBk6-vEsUyERoQ12jjGJDqW7MvWl_25Lnp8niNYLDUrqORW7dIwR4w
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Isn’t it interesting how when the subject of immigration comes up on this blog and people here share the truth about the effects of undocumented immigration on the economy, suddenly people who have never commented appear out of nowhere with propagandistic attempts to support the racist Repugnican/Trumpanzee immigration stance spearheaded during the Trump maladministration by Steven “Goebbels” Miller?
This issues is REALLY important to these people because it’s the one that worked to get The Useful Idiot elected in 2016. It’s a tried and true Fascist trope. These evil foreigners have infiltrated. We need an iron fist.
The Fascists ALWAYS go for this appeal to irrational tribalism, this scapegoating, in order to wrangle the ignorant.
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cx: This issue
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I googled and it appears that Joe Staley is either a tight end or a coach with the San Francisco 49ers. But maybe there’s a different JS commenting here.
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Or he was a 49er Fan .
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This is why trump will win the election. You ‘liberals’ all support unlimited immigration, for the simple direct (but unstated) reason that it lowers wages and living standards. Sure, you preach anti racism and wokeness on the surface, but its the desire for cheap labor that keeps you really cheering on unlimited immigration.
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Do you have any notion how idiotic your statement sounds? Why would anyone WANT to lower wages and living standards unless he or she was a soulless employer? Do you really think that all progressives are soulless employers? That’s factually false. ROFL.
If you would educate yourself on this subject, you would learn that immigrants are a net BOON to our society and economy. We all BENEFIT from their presence here.
Plus, get a clue about what this country is about. WE ARE AN IMMIGRANT COUNTRY. Being an actual patriot means embracing this truth.
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I’m not in favor of “unlimited immigration.” I said so in the post, if you read it. I think there should be a path to citizenship for the millions of undocumented immigrants who lead responsible lives, pay taxes, contribute to our economy.
I have no interest in cheap labor. I’m not an employer. No one works for me. I notice that red states are lowering the age for employment so that teens can fill the jobs that used to be taken by immigrants.
Linton, where did your family emigrate from? Or are you a Native American?
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Look at industries like meat-packing, or construction. Used to provide decent incomes to the workers, now all totally collapsed because the jobs are almost exclusively given to under the table immigrants (as they are frightened and dont complain and will work for nothing). But to you this is all totally normal and wonderful. Why do you hate working people so much? As long as labor is cheap-thats all you care about.
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Actually, undocumented immigrants create demand, like everyone else. And they create small businesses THAT EMPLOY AMERICANS, in industries like construction and lawncare, at TIMES THE RATE THAT CITIZENS DO.
It really is time that you laid aside the racism and actually learned something about the economics of all this. I suggest that you start at the Brookings and Cato websites.
Or just persist in your ignorance because it feels good to you to be better than THOSE PEOPLE.
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Yeah- the economics is simple- employers prefer immigrants because they’re easier to push around and work for less. Particularly visa bonded and illegal immigrants. Hence the rise of basically slave labor in construction and meat packing, and the rise in deaths and injuries- many to younger immigrant workers.
Your defence of immigration is very very similar to southerners defence of slavery in the 1850s. The one difference being you’ve worked out how to virtue signal on the surface and make it all about race and diversity etc, when its really all about cheap wages.
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Again, why would I defend large-scale immigration into the U.S. in order to be able to pay low wages when I am not, now or at any time in my life, an employer of low-skilled workers? Your argument, if you can call it that, makes zero sense.
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Linton,
My mother and grandmother were immigrants. They came from war-torn Europe in 1919. I’m awfully glad they came here. Otherwise they would have been killed. They would have been murdered either by Soviets or Nazis.
My maternal grandfather came to America from Bessarabia. He came first, before World War 1 started. He was a tailor.
My father’s family came from Poland in the 1850s. The town they came from had a large population of Jews. They were all killed in the 1930s.
I am a descendant of immigrants. No one in my family hired immigrants as “slave labor.”
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Migrant labor (much of it illegal day labor) makes up most of the construction industry. The meatpacking and farm labor industries are dominated by migrant day labor. The software industry uses people on coercive visas to work twice the hours for about half the wages that US citizens would charge.
So if you’ve ever used a building, eaten food, or used a computer, then you are benefitting from the built in profiteering from using migrants in the us economy, whether or not you are a direct employer.
Did I mention that unlimited migrant labor has also destroyed black employment? But you dont care about that.
But, keep virtue signalling on the surface about how anyone who criticizes unlimited immigration is a racist. In fact, the real racists are the ones who champion unlimited immigration (because they benefit from cheap labor).
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Like everyone else, migrants purchase goods and services (they buy groceries and gasoline and kids’ shoes and so on), and so they create demand, which creates jobs. Migrants also start small businesses at ten times the rate of citizens, and they employ both migrants and US citizens in these businesses. They also pay billions in taxes and receive very little in the way of social services. Economists know that the net result of their presence here is approximately a 1 percent INCREASSE in the number of jobs available to American citizens.
You really need to educate yourself about this stuff, Linton. You are wrong and deeply confused.
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Linton,
We don’t have an unlimited supply of migrant labor. I have never heard anyone advocating for (“championing”) unlimited immigration. Where is your evidence?
The current demand from Trump is to close down ALL immigration.
Who will bring in crops? Clean hotel rooms? Etc.
in the current economy, the unemployment rate, including blacks, is very low.
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Er, no they dont. The presence of either illegal or bonded (ie H1B) labor dramatically reduces wages across the board. Increases profits though!
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