Timothy Snyder, historian at Yale, explains in this post why Crimea does not belong to Russia, except in Putin’s delusional, self-aggrandizing mind. Crimea, he explains, existed long before there was a Russian state. It has gone through many transformations, the most appalling of which was when Stalin deported its entire population, claiming that they were Nazis (sound familiar?).
It is a long and fascinating essay.
In a small excerpt, he writes:
Crimea is a district of Ukraine, as recognized by international law, and by treaties between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Putin, however, has taken the view, for more than a decade now, that international law must yield to what he calls “civilization,” meaning his eccentric understanding of the past. The annoying features of the world that do not fit his scheme of the past are classified as alien, and illegitimate, and subject to destruction (Ukraine, for example).
The example of Crimea lays bare a problem within Putin’s thinking. The idea that there is some sort of immutable “civilization,” outside of time and human agency, always turns out to be based upon nothing. In the case of Crimea, Putin’s notion that the peninsula was “always” Russia is absurd, in almost more ways than one can count.
The Crimean Peninsula has been around for quite a long time, and Russia is a recent creation. What Putin has in mind when he speaks of eternity and is the baptism of a ruler of Kyiv, Valdimar, in 988. From this moment of purity, we are to understand, arose a timeless reality of Russian Crimea (and a Russian Ukraine). which we all must accept or be subject to violence. Crimea becomes “holy.”
It takes time to recount even a small portion of the ways in which this is nonsensical. First of all, the historical event itself is not at all clear. One source says that Valdimar was baptized in Crimea, as Putin likes to say; others that he was baptized in Kyiv. None of the sources date from the period itself, and so we cannot be certain that it took place at all, let alone of the locale. (If Valdimar was indeed baptized in Crimea, Putin’s logic would seem to suggest that the peninsula belongs to modern Greece, since the presumed site was part of Byzantium at the time.)
Valdimar was, to put it gently, not a Russian. There were no Russians at the time. He was the leader of a clan of Scandinavian warlords who had established a state in Kyiv, having wrenched the city from the control of Khazars. His clan was settling down, and the conversion to Christianity was part of the effort to build a state. It was called “Rus,” apparently from a Finnish word for the slavetrading company that brought the Vikings to Kyiv in the first place. It was not called “Rus” because of anything to do with today’s Russia — nor could it have been, since there was no Russia then, and no state would bear that name for another seven hundred years. Moscow, the city, did not exist at the time.
Baptism, whatever its other merits, does not create some kind of timeless continuum of power over whatever range of territory some later figure chooses to designate. If it did, international relations would certainly look very different. When Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity, the Roman Empire controlled what is now Portugal, Spain, France, the Balkans, Israel, Turkey, North Africa… But we would be very surprised to hear an Italian leader (even now) cite Constantine’s baptism to claim all of these countries…

Besides, his baptismal name, as we all know, was Tom Riddle …
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Panslavism, the desire to combine all Slavic propkes under the leadership of “mother Russia” has deep roots, and always confronted the nationalism of the Slavic peoples, Panslavism is an illusion, and Putin, just as the Boyars and Tsars will be swept away by the tides of history
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That’s as good a summary of this as one is going to get, Peter! Well said!
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Thanks Bob, and thanks to professors at CCNY so long ago
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It’s a shame that you’re so opposed to democracy. You think that Hawai’i, Puerto Rico, Guam and American Samoa are all legitimate U.S. territories even though they were violently acquired against their will and to this day the majority of the peoples of those territories do not want to be part of the U.S.
Meanwhile, the people of Crimea and Donbass voted overwhelmingly to join the Russian Federation and you would deny them their right to self-determination. Incidentally, the people of the Donbass originally asked Russia to take them in back in 2014, but evil, power-hungry, land-grabbing Mad Vlad refused and instead negotiated an agreement which would have kept the Donbass as part of ukraine. How odd.
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It’s apparent to me that dienne77 prefers to believe whatever RasPutin the Terrible’s propaganda machine spouts.
PROVE it, dienne77.
Fine a reliable source that isn’t linked to RasPutin the Terrible to prove that “the people of Crimea and Donbass voted overwhelmingly to join the Russian Federation.”
I’m going to allege that this is just another BIG LIE, that RasPutin the Terrible is no different than the MAGA King, Traitor Trump.
That reliable source would have to reveal how many people in the Donbas and Crimea voted to become part of Russia vs how many people that lived in and were citizens in those areas were old enough to vote?
And the fact that there are people living in areas of the US that want to be free and rule their own territories has nothing to do with what’s happening in Ukraine.
Hawai’i, Puerto Rico, Guam and American Samoa are not the only areas that are part of the US that have some citizens that want to be free and form their own nation.
There are US citizens in California, Texas, Alaska, et al, and other areas that also want to be free but they are in the minority. In fact, there’s a long history of small groups wanting to secede from the US. The Civil War is one example and look how that turned out.
And throughout the history of Puerto Rico, its inhabitants have initiated several movements to obtain independence for the island, first from the Spanish Empire from 1493 to 1898 and since then from the United States.
In the 2020 Puerto Rican general election, the Puerto Rican Independence Party achieved 13.6% of the vote, a significant increase in support from the 2016 Puerto Rican general election when it received only 2.1% of votes. Similarly, the anti-colonial Movimiento Victoria Ciudadana party achieved an additional 14% of the vote in the 2020 elections.
It appears that the majority of people in all of the areas you mentioned don’t want to leave the United States, regardless of its flaws.
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Thanks Lloyd, for your excellent and comprehensive response to our resident Putin apologist. D-77 is a willing dupe of all the lies and propaganda that Putin vomits up on any given day to justify his naked and appalling aggression against a sovereign nation, Ukraine. Putin is the virtual dictator of Russia and wants to hang onto power until the bloody end. He has utterly no regard for the lives he’s destroying in Ukraine.
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To suggest Putin as a symbol of “democracy” is a sick joke. He has been in power since 2000, and he plans to remain in power until 2036. His political opponents are murdered or imprisoned. He is a brutal dictator.
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Whereas we here in the heart of democracy (USA! USA!) routinely have the choice of two old gropey racist white corporate-owned warmongers, neither of whom will ever allow us to have M4A, GND, living wages and many other things that are overwhelmingly supported by the citizens of this great democracy (sic).
Russia, incidentally, has universal single-payer healthcare.
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Dienne,
Why do you stay here when Russia is such a great country?
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In response, I recommend reading “How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States,” by Daniel Immerwahr.
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Diane – for the same reason you’re not moving to the country that you claim is so innocent and such a beacon of democracy.
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I live where I want to live. Despite its faults, I love the USA. I can criticize the President without being arrested or murdered. I want to make this country far better than it is. I hate totalitarianism and fascism. I would not trade my freedom for whatever the corrupt Russian dictatorship has on offer.
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Trading democracy for Russian-style “universal single-payer healthcare”??
dienne77 has jumped the shark. She is defending murderous autocrats as being no different than Biden.
“I got Russian-style universal single-payer healthcare, and all I had to trade for it was democracy and the right to never dissent from what the autocratic leader who can do no wrong tells me is true.”
I read dienne77’s posts and I understand that is very likely what the good Germans were saying as they defended Hitler and defended the atrocities he committed as no different than anything that happened before.
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Well said, Lloyd!
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LOL. Every single source I post you guys claim is linked to “RasPutin”. God Himself could come down from Heaven and tell you so and you’d say He was a Putin pawn.
I swear I’ve had deeper, more nuanced and more informed discussions with 8 year olds about comic books than I could have with you people on this blog full of teachers regarding Russia/Putin. You people who supposedly read and value literature and engage in character analysis and debate accept a portrayal of Putin from mainstream media that the Marvel Universe would reject for its villains. Thanos is a more coherent character than the Putin who lives rent-free in your heads. But you’ve been brainwashed since childhood to believe that Russia is the “evil empire” and the U.S is the “shining beacon on the hill”, and that’s all the further your analysis can proceed. Really quite sad considering the depth of thought you all are actually capable of when you engage your critical faculties.
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Putin is slaughtering the people of Ukraine, destroying their power stations, destroying their infrastructure for heat, light, and water, and you think he’s a good person?
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Bush did far worse in Iraq. Obama did far worse in Libya. Biden supported it all. You think they’re good people.
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Dienne,
You hate America. You love Putin. Enough said.
In case you missed it, Norway is angry that Russians are sending drones to surveillance their airports and oil depots.
Please stop posting defenses of Putin here. He is a monster.
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I live where I want to live. Despite its faults, I love the USA. I can criticize the President without being arrested or murdered. I want to make this country far better than it is. I hate totalitarianism and fascism. I would not trade my freedom for whatever the corrupt Russian dictatorship has on offer.
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It’s pretty hilarious to read a post that makes breathtakingly grand superficial generalizations about an entire group of people supposedly making grand superficial generalizations. Oh the irony! I could, ofc, go back and find and then repost for you the histories I’ve written, here, of this phrase “city on a hill” (not “beacon”) and how it acquired the adjective “shining,” and why it was particularly ironic for Peggy Noonan to create for the historically ignorant Ronald Reagan a phrase stolen from Winthrop’s call for “Christian charity,” but this would likewise go whoosh above your head, and willfully so, for you prefer to think of yourself as a lone voice of reason among the brainwashed masses with their comic book heroes and villains. Sure, Dienne. Putin is such a sweetie. All progressiveness and democratic altruism. LMAO.
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I’m extraordinarily worried for my grandkids. We face some really enormous problems, like global warming and the development of AI much more capable than we are in many ways, like growing antibiotic resistance, like enormous economic dislocation from automation, and all of this is accelerating exponentially, and we have leaders like Putin who are still back attending the baptism of Vladimir I in 988 or whenever it was.
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The most powerful nation in the world elects “leaders” like Trump, Gaetz. Greene, Abbot, Hawley, Cruz (it’s a long, long list). Morons. One is surprised they can figure out which end of their bodies the shoes go on. Not people who are capable of meeting the issues that we face. We’re totally screwed.
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And, we shall soon (very soon) have dramatic personal enhancement technologies that will be available only to the kleptocratic rich–to the Putins and Trumps and Bezoses and Gates of the world. The rest of us will grow superfluous, and we know what that means.
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“Bush did far worse in Iraq. Obama did far worse in Libya. Biden supported it all. You think they’re good people.”
Wow, Putin is now “good people” to this person. All of us were highly critical when presidents acted in immoral ways.
Of course, we COULD be highly critical because we didn’t think our families would die or we would meet with a convenient fatal accident if we criticized Bush or Obama or Biden.
This person compares a country led by an authoritarian who kills his enemies and allows no dissent or criticism to a democracy with flawed leaders that can be replaced. I don’t think that is a coincidence since this person has long said there is no difference between a dishonest Republican Party doing everything they can to disenfranchise the “wrong” voters and destroy democracy and “the evil Democrats”.
Is she a Russian troll who is not allowed to post anything negative or critical about Putin for fear of her life? Or is she just one of Putin and the far right’s useful idiots? Does it matter?
For too long our country – especially our media – has allowed people spewing democracy-destroying lies to have legitimacy during the times when they aren’t spewing democracy-destroying lies.
These people cannot be legitimized just because they occasionally say something that “our side” believes. If we do so, we are part of the problem and complicit.
Spewing lies to help end democracy should be the end of one’s credibility, regardless whether they also give lip service to supporting universal healthcare or public education.
If you don’t believe in democracy, you don’t really believe in universal healthcare or public education unless the authoritarian leader who happens to be in power believes in them, and when that leader changes their mind and says universal healthcare and public education are evil, you have to change your mind, too, or die.
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Putin is admired on the far right and the far left. Sometimes it’s hard to tell them apart. Some on the far left think Putin is a pure Communist, fighting for idealistic goals. This is nonsense. He is a billionaire plutocrat and a vicious dictator, with close ties to his friends in North Korea and Iran. The mullahs are killing girls who refuse to cover their hair and supplying Putin with arms to kill Ukrainians.
Sometimes it’s hard to know which “side” is better.
In this instance, Putin leads the evil empire and is raining death and destruction on innocent people.
The anti-war movement opposes this warmongering brute, along with all of Europe.
Russia’s neighbors are afraid that they may be next.
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CRIMEA, DONBAS: Why do you have this gun to my head?
RUSSIA: It is time for you to vote. Russia or bullet. Think very carefully about how you are going to vote.
CRIMEA, DONBASS: Yikes. OK.
RUSSIA [to rest of world]: See? Landslides!
REST OF WORLD (with very, very few exceptions, such as some slimy Russian assets at Consortium “News”): That claim would be funny if it weren’t laughable in a different way, criminal, and sickening.
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Putin seems to be operating under the notion that he has some type of “manifest destiny” to invade, destroy and annex parts of Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are just collateral damage to him. He is currently rounding up residents from these so-called annexed lands and transporting them to God knows where. Many of the people remaining behind in these regions are the elderly and poor.
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Timothy Snyder released a podcast today in which he says that Putin is fighting “a war of elimination.” He is a soulless monster. He hopes Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter.
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It’s part of a sad historical tradition which has gone under many guises since the beginning of time and new ones will be invented, as they are right before our eyes. Things like primogeniture, Lebensraum, American exceptionalism, and so on. As Thomas Piketty observed in a piece I recently read, it’s all about identity. Identity or the perception of it is now more of a socially accepted value than fairness or justice. Or even survival.
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The approach we should take to Crimea (and the Donbass) is simple: what are the wishes of the majority of people living there?
We should propose a UN-supervised referendum in both areas. Even if either or both places indicated a preference, that wouldn’t be the end of the problem, because there would be a minority who wouldn’t be happy with the outcome — the problem of ‘inter-penetrated peoples’ is THE big problem of our times, contrary to the idiotic “diversity is strength” nonsense.
But at least we would know where we are. It’s not at all clear to me that the majority of people in Crimea — which was ‘given’ to Ukraine in the mid-50s by Nikita Kruschev, himself a Ukrainian — want to return to Ukraine. And even the Donbass has, or had, a substantial minority of pro-Russians.
Furthermore, national borders are not sacred. If a partition of disputed regions could solve the problem there, let it happen. Just as in Yugoslavia, there might have to be population transfers, of those people who don’t understand that “diversity is strength”, but it would be better than endless slaughter.
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The problem with a referendum is that a large part of the population has evacuated or been killed.
The “disputed regions” are Ukrainian.
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Come Diane 99.9 % voted to join the Russian federation. What could be illegitimate about that
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What percent of the vote did Putin receive when he last ran, unopposed (the opposition leader is in prison, serving an 11-year term, which was extended again today)?
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Russia has looked to the Crimea as a window to the south and to trade since Peter the Great began to travel through Europe and dream of Russia as a great power. For much of its history, the Ottoman Empire kept Russia out of Crimea. Putin’s seizure of Crimea fell into historical place rather well.
Why Russia has not developed a diplomatic way to assure access to southern trade routes is above my understanding
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Timothy Snyder is a national treasure. His book “Bloodlands,” is horrifying and tough to read, but important work and impeccably researched. This article shows his real strength: explaining complex history i ln an understandable way.
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Completely agree with this assessment of Snyder. I am a HUGE fan.
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As well supported as it is in evidence and (complicated) history, Snyder’s reasoning seems unassailable. A “distant mirror” to our own unlovely history of subjugating indigenous peoples…
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Snyder is profoundly educated on these topics. I highly recommend his Yale course on Ukrainian history on Youtube.
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“in the basic legal sense, none of this matters. Legally speaking, Crimea is part of Ukraine for the same reason that Maine is part of the United States, or Provence is part of France: international law and the principle of mutual state recognition.”
This is exactly what I have said to Dienne77, repeatedly, for months now.
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When it comes to international law, this is as fundamental as it gets. Putin apologists willfully ignore this out of ignorance or ideological blindness (or are paid to ignore this).
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