Fareed Zakaria said on CNN a few days ago that the Kenyan Ambassador to the UN gave the best response to Putin’s assertion about national borders. Basically, he said that all the borders in Africa were created by the colonial powers, but Africans have agreed to live with them because the alternative would be endless war.
Murtaza Hussain of The Intercept agreed.
He wrote:
AS EUROPE FACES the grim prospect of a land war on a scale it has not seen since World War II, it was Kenya’s ambassador to the United Nations, Martin Kimani, who delivered a message that struck at the heart of the crisis: a lingering nostalgia for empire.
At an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council, called to discuss the Russian aggression against Ukraine, Kimani did not just condemn the threat to Ukrainian sovereignty by President Vladimir Putin’s government. He went further, highlighting how an unceasing obsession over territory and borders is continuing to drive violence around the world, long after the European empires that drew those demarcations have vanished from the map. He offered an alternate vision of peace through acceptance of the borders created by the collapse of empires and nations in the 20th century, calling for economic and cultural integration instead.
“Kenya, and almost every African country, was birthed by the ending of empire,” Kimani said. “Our borders were not of our own drawing. They were drawn in the distant colonial metropoles of London, Paris, and Lisbon with no regard for the ancient nations that they cleaved apart. Today, across the border of every single African country live our countrymen with whom we share deep historical, cultural, and linguistic bonds. At independence, had we chosen to pursue states on the basis of ethnic, racial, or religious homogeneity, we would still be waging bloody wars these many decades later. Instead, we agreed that we would settle for the borders we inherited.”
Kimani’s remarks, which went viral on social media and in the African media, also criticized what he called the “dangerous nostalgia” for empire that leads countries to redraw borders by force to reunite with citizens of other nations with whom they share cultural affinity — the exact argument the Russian government has used to justify its invasion of Ukraine in support of Russian speakers there. Instead, Kimani called on Europe to follow the rules of the U.N. charter as the African Union countries have sought to do, respecting the sovereignty of neighboring countries “not because our borders satisfied us, but because we wanted something greater forged in peace.”
Now, let’s do a thought experiment and consider what it would mean if we reverted to the borders of olden times.
We Americans might start by returning Texas to Mexico, as well as large swaths of the Southwest, including the southern half of California.
Then we could give Florida back to Spain.
And if we are being truly considerate of historical claims, we should give everything else back to the Native Americans/American Indians who originally lived on the land.
I think there are only two colonial empires left waging wars to expand into territories that are part of other countries, and both of those want-to-be empires keep failing and the price has been million displaced and millions dead.
Those two countries are Russia and the United States. China seems to only want to be an economic empire through business and trade.
“Anyone who tries to interfere with us . . . must know that Russia’s response will be immediate and lead you to such consequences as you have never before experienced in your history.” –War Criminal Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, threatening Armageddon
Putin is a war criminal and a tyrant.
He called on the Ukrainian to overthrow the elected government and negotiate with him.
Zelensky says the Ukrainian people are defending their freedom.
Putin says he invaded to oust the Nazis and drug dealers running the country. He sees himself as a liberator.
He loves Ukraine so much that he is devastating the country with bombs and missiles.
Read about Snake Island:
https://www.axios.com/ukraine-snake-island-guards-killed-russia-warship-d21c57d9-29f9-4310-8448-4a06bac62d8b.html
Horrific. And all honor to those who die protecting their country from this monster.
Putin doesn’t want a free, democratic republic with millions of Russian speakers, many with family in Russia, on his border. It serves as an example. He wants to eliminate that.
These are the words of a madman, an extremely sick and dangerous person.
It is literally insane for the power to use nuclear weapons to be held by a single individual. This is not a risk that the world as a whole should take.
Ambassador Kimani nailed it. Really, really important. It is time for a worldwide commitment to this founding principle of the United Nations. And for those who act outside it to be treated as pariah nations. This is so, so important. It is the only sane way forward.
So, the solution is for every other country just to shut up and accept American imperialism? Wow. I did nazi that coming.
BTW, I’m assuming the Kenyan ambassador is familiar with the pan-African fight against colonialism?
Dienne, you need a reminder: the US did not invade Ukraine. Putin did. Why do you have no criticism for a powerful nation invading and crushing a small nation, without. Provocation? Why do you have no words of criticism for Putin? Putin is a brutal tyrant.
dienne77,
So YOUR solution is for every other country just to shut up and accept Russian imperialism? Wow.
BTW, unless you are Native American, I’m assuming you are packing up your family now and going back to wherever your ancestors came from because you aren’t a hypocrite. You are just an colonialist who believes that Putin should be able to wage war as he wishes.
What is wrong with you? How did you do a full 180 from when you professed a concern for human life? Does that stop when Putin tells you their lives are worthless?
This war and the death and destruction you are excusing is so unnecessary. At least the US being in Afghanistan, terrible as it was, was doing some good for the women of Afghanistan who are now experiencing the full wrath of the Taliban.
What possible good does Putin invading Ukraine do? Doesn’t the man you love have enough money?
Gee, I guess that you are no longer saying that it’s just crazy for Americans to think that Putin is going to invade Ukraine, huh, Dienne?
Putin is a mass murderer. Right now, innocent Ukrainian civilians–old people and children among them, are dying under a barrage of Russian missiles.
And you are condoning this. That’s sickening.
And no, it wasn’t OK when Bush and Cheney et al. did it either.
Putin is a war criminal and mass murderer. It’s no less murder when you call it war.
Oh, sorry. My bad. He is calling invading a sovereign nation and killing civilians “peacekeeping.”
The blood of the dead in Ukraine is on his nasty little hands.
Let me make it clear to you.
PUTIN DECIDED TO INVADE UKRAINE.
THE US IS NOT SENDING THE TROOPS OUT THERE.
Just amazing how some people are conflating the creator(s) of ongoing hostile situation with the one who chose for insurgency.
It’s a God-awful small affair
To the girl with the mousy hair
But her mummy is yelling, “No!”
And her daddy has told her to go
But her friend is nowhere to be seen
Now she walks through her sunken dream
To the seat with the clearest view
And she’s hooked to the silver screen
But the film is a saddening bore
For she’s lived it ten times or more
She could spit in the eyes of fools
As they ask her to focus on-
Sailors fighting in the dance hall
Oh man!
Look at those cavemen go
It’s the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man!
Wonder if he’ll ever know
He’s in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?
It’s on America’s tortured brow
That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow
Now the workers have struck for fame
‘Cause Lennon’s on sale again
See the mice in their million hordes
From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broads
Rule Britannia is out of bounds
To my mother, my dog, and clowns
But the film is a saddening bore
‘Cause I wrote it ten times or more
It’s about to be writ again
As I ask you to focus on-
Sailors fighting in the dance hall
Oh man!
Look at those cavemen go
It’s the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man!
Wonder if he’ll ever know
He’s in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?
Bowie
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rock-star-david-bowie/
My impression was always that Bowie (1) liked to say outrageous things and (2) thought Nazi uniforms were snazzy. But best not to look too closely at the political views and personal lives (Bowie’s sex life, e.g.) of rock stars.
Yeah. What an idiot.
Why is it when I see Putin, I think Eli Broad? The indelible image I have of Broad is that of a pitiful little man 60 Minutes Morley Safer exposed near the end of his interview with Broad. “I want to be the most respected person,” Broad said.
Rep. Swalwell, who is considered a left-leaning Democrat, is calling for all Russian students to be deported. I’m old enough to remember when only Republicans were frothing xenophobic enough to come up with barbarous things like that.
Rep. Swalwell is wrong. I bet that the vast majority of Russian students in US universities oppose Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. There are anti-war demonstrations around the world, and protestors in Russia have been arrested. In Miami, I read in the Miami Herald, protests against Putin united Ukrainians and Russians.
Rep. Swalwell is wrong. Wow, I am shocked that Swalwell said something so dumb.
dienne77,
As wrong as Rep. Swalwell is, he is not nearly as wrong as the people on here who are condoning what Putin is doing and justifying it so that Putin will feel free to continue to do it.
It’s a shame you have more concern about students who are Russian citizens being asked to return to live safely at home with their Russian parents who can afford to send them abroad, than you do for the babies and children dying in Ukraine.
You still haven’t said Putin is wrong, which pretty much confirms that you are far more bothered by what Swalwell SAID than what Putin has actually DONE and continues to do.
What is wrong with you, dienne77? Are you really Tucker Carlson?
Lol, the guy who won’t say whether he slept with a Chinese spy?
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Governors of some states are prohibiting the sale of Russian vodka.
How much revenue would Russia potentially lose? How manyRussian jobs are affected?
“…should be noted that Dugin does not focus primarily on military means as a way of achieving Russian dominance over Eurasia; rather, he advocates a fairly sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services, supported by a tough, hard-headed use of Russia’s gas, oil, and natural resource riches to pressure and bully other countries into bending to Russia’s will. Dugin apparently does not fear war in the least, but he would prefer to achieve his geopolitical goals without resorting to it.”
https://tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundations-geopolitics
I have not been glued to the TV during these past horrific days. So if there is any discussion of the ideas of Alexander Dugin, I would not know it. There should be, for Dugin and his brand of neo-fascism or Eurasian fascism has, in recent years, spread about the world in ways the Communist International of the last century would find a thing to envy.
While Dugin seems to favor disruption over war, it is hard to imagine modern Russia without his view that the idea of individual freedom must be subservient to an heroic state. Mix that with his anti-Semitic ideas and you understand the irony of Putin’s calling the Ukrainians Nazis in the midst of this invasion. Dugin really believes Russian domination of all of Eurasia is a goal worth achieving.
It is difficult to imagine the military defeat of Russia. Land armies would have little success post Genghis
Kahn. Dugin’s brand of fascism, however, we’d as it is to the vast wealth of certain men, has the potential to creep across the face of the earth in the hearts and minds of the brainless. This explains why we have seen pictures (true or photoshopped) of people wearing shirts that say they prefer Putin over the Democratic Party.
Given the war protests in Russia, it will be interesting to see what transpires there if this war drags on. Body bags from Afghanistan brought down Soviet communism. Will people quickly tire of the death of their loved ones? Or perhaps they will justify these deaths by strengthening the perverse beliefs Dugin and his modern neofascist shave now looses upon the world. We can only wait and react with global economic policy. It can be frustrating.
delete the word “shave” above. Put the s on neofascist. Perhaps autocorrect changed the s at the end of that word to shaved. The basic nature of autocorrect is more inscrutable than man himself.
A fascist intellectual. Now there’s a contradiction! Like jumbo shrimp, old news, virtual reality, military intelligence, Congressional ethics
It’s nonsense, of course, to consider something “intellectual” simply because it is difficult to understand. That’s because the challenges in understanding a work can be in its deficiencies rather than in it’s complexity or subtlety or dependence upon background knowledge–in its being garbled, illogical, rooted in mystical nonsense, etc.
I have not been a follower of any of these new right “thinkers,” Roy, so thank you for pointing me to Dugin. His work seems to be rooted in mysticism, or so-called “spirituality,” which is simply the most absolutist and concentrated form of authoritarianism. It’s amusing that the admiration of power found in fascist “thought” is so inextricably linked to a need to be dominated, to worship what Duane Swacker calls an all-powerful “sky Daddy,” in addition to a leader who IS the state. Dugin did hit on a powerful metaphor in identifying Western liberal culture with Titanism–the revolt against “heaven.” LOL. That fascist heaven, ofc, will be achieved only when everything is burned away and nothing is left. And, ofc, Dugin’s Orwellian Eurasianism has the inevitable stench of racism that one always finds in fascist work–his dreamt-of Eurasian fascist blok would be dominated by Russian leaders in the Church and Security Agencies.
I think, Roy, that ultimately Fascism is a political manifestation of sadomasochism derived from insecurity and Daddy issues. Of course, this can be hidden beneath mysticism, as in Dugin, or beneath Kissinger-style “realpolitik,” in which morality is for idiots who do not recognize that EVERYTHING is about power and who ends up with it. Of course, the will to absolute power/control is one manifestation of sadomasochism. Thus one of the most chilling phrases ever uttered–Kissenger’s “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”
“Anyone who tries to interfere with us . . . must know that Russia’s response will be immediate and lead you to such consequences as you have never before experienced in your history.” –War Criminal Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, threatening Armageddon
As when people are threatening suicide, when they are threatening extreme violence, the precautionary principle and experience both dictate that one believe them. Not doing so is equivalent to ignoring the warning presented by Ethan Crumbly’s drawing.
This is as serious as it gets. The world must unite to stop the madman.
cx:
As when people are threatening suicide, when they are threatening extreme violence, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE THE ULTIMATE VIOLENCE AND HAVE THE POWER TO CARRY OUT THAT THREAT, the precautionary principle and experience both dictate that one believe them. Not doing so is equivalent to ignoring the warning presented by Ethan Crumbly’s drawing.
As when people are threatening suicide, when they are threatening extreme violence, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE THREATENING THE ULTIMATE VIOLENCE AND HAVE THE POWER TO CARRY OUT THAT THREAT, the precautionary principle and experience both dictate that one believe them. Not doing so is equivalent to ignoring the warning presented by Ethan Crumbly’s drawing.
I am old enough to remember when only fascists supported barbarous things like the death and destruction of Ukraine because a autocratic leader decided he needed more power.
Now, the only thing that bothers those folks is deporting Russian students.
When the definition of “barbarous” includes deporting Russian students but EXCLUDES bombing and killing because an authoritarian leader wants power, then your understanding of the word “barbarous” is clearly formed by a fascist worldview.
Look in the mirror, dienne77