ATTORNEY FOR STATE OF NEVADA ARGUES THAT 60 THIRD GRADERS PER CLASSROOM WOULD BE CONSTITUTIONAL
State argues that only real requirement is one school per district and that state standards are simply “aspirational” and cannot be a basis to measure students’ right to a basic education
On Monday, December 6, attorneys representing several parents made their case to the Nevada Supreme Court on behalf of public-school students throughout the state. The oral arguments stem from a complaint filed on March 4, 2020, Shea v. Nevada, challenging the constitutionality of Nevada’s chronically under-resourced public education system. A lower court had previously determined that the case presented issues that are nonjusticiable, or not for courts to decide, leading to Monday’s appeal before the Court.
Parents argued that this case is in fact justiciable and that Nevada courts have a critical role to play in determining whether the public education system is constitutionally adequate and if students have been denied their right to a quality education. Without court intervention, the condition and quality of our schools will continue to decline, as they have for years.
To the shock of the parent plaintiffs and their attorneys, the State argued that the court’s hands would be tied even if third grade classrooms were filled with 60 students. The State argued that their only obligation under the Constitution is to have at least one school in each district. Nevada has long been ranked as the state with the largest class sizes in the country.
From The Hearing
Justice: If there are classes in our high schools that have 50 or 60 students is that a basis to challenge whether in fact it is a basic education that is being provided?
State: As someone who went to a college where I attended classes with hundreds of students I personally would say no.
Justice: I would hope that my 3rd grader wouldn’t be in one of those classes though.
State: I do agree with that. The issue is that those are not constitutionally provided.
Justice: So it would be constitutional if 3rd graders were 50 or 60 students in a class?
State: I do believe so, yes.
“We could not disagree more than we do,” said pro bono attorney representing the plaintiffs, Bradley Shrager . “We find (educational standards) to be a positive right of the people of Nevada and school children — a right to a meaningful opportunity to a suitable education because when you say suitable, the point is suitable for what? Suitable for the rest of your life.”
As part of their duty under the constitution, our state has set standards to ensure our students are prepared to enter the adult world and even determined what resources are needed to meet those standards. Unfortunately, the State has wholly failed to provide those essential resources. To come before our courts and argue that 60 third graders in a classroom is basic or sufficient for our students shows how desperately our courts need to intervene and why our schools are in such a crisis.
There are already 60 students packed in high school classrooms throughout Nevada schools, despite numerous State commissioned studies identifying small class sizes as essential to students meeting state academic standards. The state itself has set class size requirements for grades K-3, but 98% of schools do not meet these requirements, with insufficient funding often cited as the primary reason.
As written in the complaint, “Plaintiffs ask this Court to determine and find that Nevada public education has fallen short of the requirements of the Nevada Constitution in providing the resources necessary to ensure a basic, uniform, and sufficient education for the schoolchildren of this state.”
Nevada students have a constitutional right to a quality education, but the State has consistently failed in its responsibility to foster a system that delivers on that right. They have an obligation to our students, and they have failed.
Since the original filing more than a year ago, achievement results for students have dropped significantly, teachers continue to struggle in the largest class sizes in the country, and the pandemic has only exacerbated long standing resource issues. Nevada’s deficient education system has deteriorated further, with no clear path out of this ongoing crisis.
“Without the court’s intervention, I see no solution for our students. I’ve spent years of my children’s education advocating on their behalf and the behalf of all students to no avail, and in that time, resources have actually depleted rather than improved,” said Caryne Shea, one of the parent plaintiffs, “I am shocked and outraged at the state’s arguments which undermines and almost belittles the hard work of our educators and students. What our state leadership has done so far has not been effective and now our only hope for significant change lies in the hands of the court.”
Prior to the original filing, Nevada was one of only three states that had not been sued for failure to provide adequate K-12 resources. States like Wyoming, New Jersey, and many others have seen significant improvements in resources and achievement since victories in their lawsuits.
As the representative for the state said “words do have meaning” and the words from the state made it more clear why the best hope for students is for courts to intervene.
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This cannot be a serious argument. Or can it? After all, the state’s lawmakers have given the green light to business as usual against the backdrop of class sizes this ridiculous. That this would have to come before a judge is a serious indictment of state leadership, perhaps the basis for impeachment of an entire legislature. Can a legislature violate its constitution to that extent?
Will 60 students be enough to overcome the filibuster?
Now that’s a good one!
A very serious argument if the plan is, once again, to place forces in motion for the destruction of the USA Public School System. Those so-called “legislators” are doing far worse than simply belittling educators and students. Cut ‘em off at the knees is the name of their game and a lot of “somebodies” are being paid to play.
paid to play, paid to destroy
When framing the New Mexico constitution in 1912 the leadership made it crystal clear that “A uniform system of free public schools sufficient for the education of, and open to, all the children of school age in the state shall be established and maintained.”
The framers of the NM constitution were not making a suggestion or providing advice. They were prescribing the rights for all school age children to receive a proper education.
Has the NM Governors and Legislators always met the mandates established in the 1912 constitution. Definitely not as proven by the decision in the First District Court that the state violates public school students’ constitutional right to sufficient educational opportunities. This decision was made in 2018. Legislators are still dragging their feet when it comes to properly funding NM public schools.
But the point I firmly believe is that education of All students is a fundamental human right to a descent education. Education is a very basic requirement for every individual to achieve a high quality of life and be productive citizens.
The State of Nevada needs to amend its constitution to meet the realities of what is going on in the world today.
Nevada probably has similar language in its state constitution. Almost all states do. Some states have clear prohibitions against public funding of religious schools. The legislature ignores it, as do the courts. See Florida, Indiana, Ohio.
What’s next? Hold classes in the cafeteria and auditorium with one teacher with a bullhorn and a couple of lessers with sticks to keep students awake? Maybe the state only intends to prepare students to become food service workers and dealers in the casinsos. “Keep taxes real low with no common good for the common people.” It should be the new state motto.
I presume that holding classes in candle factories is probably next.
This is precisely the plan of people like Bill Gates.
They call it personalized learning, with no hint of a smile.
“Gates proposes ending class-size reduction experiments, lifting caps on class size and offering good teachers financial incentives to teach more students.”
https://www.edweek.org/technology/opinion-gates-and-murdoch-personalize-learning-with-larger-classes-and-big-data-systems/2013/04
Even good teachers reach a point of diminishing return based on class size.
The American public reached the point of diminishing (indeed negative) returns on Bill Gates the day he moved from Microsoft to Billyanthropy.
The current Nevada State Ed Commissioner was Deputy Commissioner in NYS and left for Nevada two years ago, she knows better ☺️☺️
She started her career here in Nevada and spent 25 years here in education. NYS drafted her for 3 years and now she’s back in Nevada.
She does know better, but not because she spent 3 years in New York State.
When I was teaching back in the day (1975 – 2005) my class load started at 34 for each class I taught. That was too much. For two years, I benefited from a one-shot state grant to explore the results of lower class sizes and worked with 20 students a class.
Compared to 34 or more, teaching 20 students at a time was heaven to me. Then the grant ran out and my loads went back to 34 and up a bit more. Never heard the results of that grant.
Wow, working with 20 students was incredible. I might have stayed in teaching longer than 30 years if that had been the norm.
And to think, the private school Bill Gates went to, Lakeside I think it’s called, the same school he sent his kids to, has an average class load of around 12 students.
If working with 20 students felt like heaven to me, what would teaching 12 be like? I never had that experience.
It’s physically impossible to stuff 60 kids and their desks into the average classroom, 3rd grade or otherwise. They would be sitting one on top of the other, elbow to elbow. Wouldn’t that be against the state fire codes. I started out with 38 kids in a classroom, each with her/his own desk and that was the space limit for that classroom. Oh wait, they would have shipped in 2 or 3 more pupils if they could have but not 22 more. That would have been insane and undoable given the space limitations.
I think schools need to start taking advantage of the fact that space has three dimensions and not just two (something that architects took advantage of long ago with their skyscrapers)
Stacking students is the way of the future.
It would easily allow doubling the number of students in an average classroom.
Increasing Class Size
Space has 3 dimensions
Lots of space to see
Might be some dissensions
But schools should use all three
Utilize a stacking
Not just plane of floor
Floor is simply lacking
Room for even more
Picture a classroom modeled on Home Depot
Could even use fork lifts to lift students to the top level.
School Depot (TM)
PS, Nevada
You have to pay me if you use the name.
My first google after reading this was, “Is Nevada a poor state”? Did not get a clear answer, but I think it was “no.” OTOH, I learned quickly that NV is considered the third worst state to live in! Mainly because they pay nearly nothing toward the healthcare of their citizens. Obviously the same goes for their K12 students.
Huge income inequality in Nevada. If you own a casino or a hotel, it’s a great life. If you work in a casino or a hotel, not so much. Fortunately, the hotel workers have a union.
Nevada is a good state for two things: gambling and mining.
Three if you like legal prostitution.
Four if you like testing nuclear weapons( as the Department of Energy used to do at the Nevada Test Site.)
Five if you like storing nuclear waste from nuclear power plants.
Thanks Diane and SDP. All I knew about NV (other than gleaned from The Godfather, heh heh) was that a couple of my sis’s stepkids moved there briefly for jobs when things were tough– & returned in less than a year…
Not to nitpick I hope, but I am weary of the phrase “student rights”. It can easily be twisted to mean the right to choose a backpack full of cash to take home or to a private or charter school. The “right to a quality education” was a false argument used by some charter advocates recently, if memory serves. I prefer to say that Nevada students don’t have the right to a quality education, but rather that Nevada has a responsibility to provide a quality education to all, not just to those who want it. Education is a responsibility, and class sizes over 30 are an abdication by the state of that responsibility.
Wouldn’t it be a fire code violation to put 60 students in one classroom? It ought to be!