Spencer Bokat-Lindell, a staff writer at the New York Times, echoes growing fear that democracy in America is at risk.
He writes:
Nearly nine months after rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 presidential election, a question still lingers over how to place it in history: Were the events of Jan. 6 the doomed conclusion of an unusually anti-democratic moment in American political life, or a preview of where the country is still heading?
Richard L. Hasen, a professor at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law and an expert in election law, believes the second possibility shouldn’t be ruled out. In a paper published this month, he wrote that “The United States faces a serious risk that the 2024 presidential election, and other future U.S. elections, will not be conducted fairly, and that the candidates taking office will not reflect the free choices made by eligible voters under previously announced election rules.”
It could be a bloodless coup, he warns, executed not by rioters with nooses but “lawyers in fine suits”: Between January and June, Republican-controlled legislatures passed 24 laws across 14 states to increase their control over how elections are run, stripping secretaries of state of their power and making it easier to overturn results.
How much danger is American democracy really in, and what can be done to safeguard it? Here’s what people are saying.
How democracy could collapse in 2024
In Hasen’s view, there are three mechanisms by which the 2024 election could be overturned:
- State legislatures, purporting to exercise the authority of either the Constitution or an 1887 federal law called the Electoral Count Act, swapping in their own slate of electors for president, potentially with the blessing of a conservative Supreme Court and a Republican-controlled Congress.
- Fraudulent or suppressive election administration or vote counting by norm- or law-breaking officials.
- Vigilante action that prevents voting, interferes with ballot counting or interrupts the legitimate transfer of power.
These mechanisms are not outside the realm of possibility:
- Recent reporting from Robert Costa and Bob Woodward revealed that the previous administration had a plan, hatched by the prominent conservative lawyer John Eastman, for former Vice President Mike Pence to throw out the electoral votes of key swing states on the basis that they had competing slates of electors. Next time around, “with the right pieces in place, (President Donald) Trump could succeed,” the Times columnist Jamelle Bouie writes. “All he needs is a rival slate of electoral votes from contested states, state officials and state legislatures willing to intervene on his behalf, a supportive Republican majority in either house of Congress, and a sufficiently pliant Supreme Court majority.”
- On top of passing voting administration laws, Republicans have also recruited candidates who espouse election conspiracy theories to run for positions like secretary of state and county clerk. According to Reuters, 10 of the 15 declared Republican candidates for secretary of state in five swing states have either declared the 2020 election stolen or demanded its invalidation or investigation.
- Skepticism of or hostility toward election administration is widespread among Republican voters as well, 78 percent of whom still say that President Biden did not win in November. That conviction, Reuters reported in June, has sparked a nationwide intimidation campaign against election officials and their families, who continue to face threats of hanging, firing squads, torture and bomb blasts with vanishingly little help from law enforcement. One in three election officials feel unsafe because of their job and nearly one in five listed threats to their lives as a job-related concern, according to an April survey from the Brennan Center.
“The stage is thus being set for chaos,” Robert Kagan argues in The Washington Post. Given a more strategically contested election, “Biden would find himself where other presidents have been — where Andrew Jackson was during the nullification crisis, or where Abraham Lincoln was after the South seceded — navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about what constitutional powers he does and doesn’t have.”
Some experts worry about democratic backsliding even in the event of a legitimate Republican victory in 2024, Ashley Parker reports for The Washington Post. In such a scenario, Trump or a similarly anti-democratic figure might set about remaking the political and electoral system to consolidate power.
“We often think that what we should be waiting for is fascists and communists marching in the streets, but nowadays, the ways democracies often die is through legal things at the ballot box — so things that can be both legal and antidemocratic at the same time,” said Daniel Ziblatt, a Harvard political scientist. “Politicians use the letter of the law to subvert the spirit of the law.”
Experts told Parker that perhaps the most proximate example is Hungary under Viktor Orban, who returned to power in 2010 after being ousted in 2002 and over the past decade has transformed the country into a soft autocracy. Admirers of the country’s government include Tucker Carlson, who in August extolled it as a model for the United States, and the high-profile Conservative Political Action Committee, which will host its next gathering in Budapest.
Brian Klaas, a political scientist at University College London, believes there are many reasons — the threat of primary challenges against Republicans who defy “Stop the Steal” orthodoxy, gerrymandering, the influence of social media — that the Republican Party’s anti-democratic turn might not just continue but accelerate: “There are no countervailing forces. There’s nothing that rewards being a sober moderate who believes in democracy and tries to govern by consensus.”

Trump is, in his own words, an “incredible person.” I.e., “not credible.” It kikles me (portmanteau of kills and tickles) every time he uses that word because he, with his toddlerlike English and profound ignorance is, ofc, clueless that it has this other meaning that undercuts what he is saying as he is saying it. Clueless–as he is about SO MUCH else.
However, Trump has Rasputinlike control over the current Repugnican Party, and his lies about the last election have generated this nonsense nationwide. He has remade it in his own slimy image. I suspect, though, that that if the Repugnican attacks on voting rights continue, they will in the not-so-long-term backfire, that these won’t destroy democracy but will destroy the Repugnican Party. To which I say, good riddance.
Already, our young people and our fastest-growing demographic groups despise them. It’s an opprobrium that the party, post Trump, in Trump’s image, has richly earned.
LikeLike
My fear is that Trump supporters in places where they can control the ballot will use their beliefs of corruption as a justification in their own minds of behavior such as ballot rejection, box stuffing, and other traditional methods of subverting democratic institutions.
There are a significant number of Trump supporters willing to dissolve the United States to preserve their ideas, I think. We stand on fragile ground as the pandemic winds to a close, and economic privation caused by the disruptions of the disease. This has fallen into the lap of Biden, who will have to take the blame for it even though it was all a result of the mis-management of others. This opens the door for more Trump.
LikeLike
It’s so bizarre, Roy. These are people who go to rallies and chant “USA, USA, USA” and then, in the next breath, call for insurrection. One of these idiots who called for secession from the USA was Alan West, former Chairman of the Repugnican Party of Texas and now gubernatorial candidate, who is preaching against masks and vaccines while recovering from Covid. Evidently, treasonously calling for secession is no bar to holding political office in Texas.
Logic and consistency clearly aren’t his strong suits, so this makes him a perfect fit in today’s Repugnican Party.
LikeLike
How significant a number is all?
LikeLike
Greg: are you suggesting that all of Trump’s supporters are willing to dissolve the Union? This I do not believe. What I do see is that they wish to bend the majority will to be subservient to their own minority view, and to try to create the illusion that the minority view is pervasive in the country. Being unable to do this, what will they do? I do not know.
LikeLike
I am not only suggesting, I am outright stating that all of the Idiot’s supporters are willing to overtly or quietly support lies, racist ideas, and a fascist takeover of not only a cycle of governing, but by destroying every constitutional norm and decent behavior in existence. One cannot be somewhere in between. The “but my friends and neighbors” argument doesn’t hold. It never did. It never will.
A lost lesson of the lightening quick process of Gleichschaltung in 1933 was how quickly those in the middle or “center-right” adopted the policies and behaviors dictated. How quickly “good neighbors” became, at best, distant and, at worst, perpetrators. But we’ve got a wonderful rider in our drive to fascism–the combination of their core belief that violence is a policy of first resort with the proliferation of guns and ammunition among their minions. Lately they realized they don’t have to hide their threats of violence any more. And, as we are seeing with the slaps on the collective wrists of Jan. 6 traitors, just like Weimar, major parts of the judiciary are pliable allies.
The longer people try to parse between good and bad supporters of the Idiot, try to carve out a benign idea of fascism, the more they play into the hands of the enemies of the concept of self-governance. And they don’t realize they are losing something they will likely never get back with each passing day.
LikeLike
Greg: Are all willing to dissolve the union, absent their ability to get their views imposed on the entire nation?
LikeLike
I’m not so concerned about the concept of union for a variety of reasons. At its most basic, I believe strongly this country is too big and ungovernable and ought to be split up. I see no reason why my state gets back 0.73 of every federal tax dollar we spend while Tennessee gets 1.03 and place like Mississippi and W. Virginia get 2.88 and 2.90 respectively when their elected leaders are among the most regressively egregious when it comes special interest governing and diametrically opposing the interests of most of the fellow citizens in the region where I live.
I think the idea of shared respect for constitutional values, however imperfect they may be, respect for an honest historical accounting and reckoning, and respect for the scientific method and where it might take us are all much, much more important than some contrived idea of union.
LikeLike
“Trump has Rasputinlike control over the current Repugnican Party,”
I think one of the dangers is thinking it is Trump, when Trump is a charismatic (to some) figure who is being backed by a slew of right wing billionaires and their handmaidens — the Mercers, Bannons, Peter Thiel, Erik Prince and a network of right wing paramilitary groups – as their convenient front man.
Neither Trump nor any Republicans in the Senate or House is willing to cross them.
Trump may be charismatic enough to be able to support something those right wing billionaires didn’t approve of, but he shows no inclination to do so, and I suspect if he did, their powerful right wing propaganda machine would soon convince Trump voters that Trump was always a sell-out.
All of the disenfranchisement laws being passed in Republican controlled states are much more about empowering the Mercers/Bannons/Thiels/Princes, et al than Trump. Trump is convenient to them right now, but no Republican is willing to cross them and they want the Republicans empowered and a new Putin-like “democracy” installed in perpetuity.
LikeLike
What you say, NYC Parent, makes sense to me.
LikeLike
One of the things that has always fascinated me is how people ascribe “charisma” to demagogues. I would argue that they are anything but charismatic. Listen to the Idiot for fifteen minutes straight and then please point out the charismatic passages to me. I’ve witnessed David Duke at the peak of his popularity in a crowd of 4,000 screaming supporters. He was anything but charismatic. Neither was Joe McCarthy, neither is Newt Gingrich, neither was, for that matter, Hitler.
They do and did not lead their followers, they expressed their followers most deeply held beliefs–even those they were afraid to articulate themselves. They are ciphers, not inspirational leaders. What’s scary is that they give voice to neighbors I used to think were sane. And I have no doubt they’d stand by in the feigned shock of indifference if and when internment camps are built and property is confiscated. There’s little discernible difference I can gather in the core fears and public paralysis of an American in 2021 and a German in 1932. Extolling the “charisma” of their “leaders” is usually a good diversionary tactic from the truth.
LikeLike
GregB,
That is an excellent point — “charisma” has a positive connotation and I absolutely agree with you that Trump’s appeal, like David Duke’s appeal, is Hitleresque. I didn’t have a good name for it, but you are absolutely correct that they give voice to people’s darkest thoughts and the fact that is NOT the main narrative of Trump’s rise is very dangerous.
If Donald Trump was considered a politician whose appeal was that his racist and xenophobic and hate-filled speeches were giving voice to his followers very ugly deepest held beliefs, maybe people would have been shamed into not publicly idolizing and adoring Trump as many were shamed into not publicly adoring David Duke when he was expressing similarly dark beliefs.
Instead of being shamed by the media, those voters were celebrated and felt empowered by all the positive attention they were getting for their adoration of a man spewing hate and encouraging violence.
It is similar to how all the Republicans so control even the so-called “liberal” media’s narrative that Republican politicians who worship a leader spewing hate and fomenting violence are treated as intelligent and very important and respected people whose opinions are presented by the NYT as just as valid as anything any Democrat ever says. If David Duke was worshipped by the Republicans today, the NYT would be elevating the Ku Klux Klan as respectable people whose very important beliefs must be treated as if they were just as valid and based in the truth as any Democrat.
That is what the Mercers and Bannons and Thiels figured out about our very cowardly mainstream “liberal” media. That it didn’t matter how fascist the Republican party became because as long as the fascism was embraced as a “mainstream” Republican value, the “liberal” media would consider that fascism a valid and important idea that is just as likely to bring about very good results as the democracy that “the other side” – the democrats – supported.
There was a time when the mainstream media agreed that democracy was vital. Now it’s simply something “both sides” have different opinions about.
LikeLike
If Biden and the Democrats deliver the infrastructure and reconciliation bills, then more Americans will believe that Democrats are the party of a possibility for the future. Biden’s first term will be viewed as a success that can deliver on promises, even a curtailed version of the bills would do. In my opinion it would tamp down the impact of any conservative dirty dealing. I think more Democrats would show up for the midterms, and showing up is essential if the Democrats intend to continue to lead. Frankly, the last significant change to the bottom line for working people I can recall was the G.W. Bush “donut hole” legislation in Medicare drugs. Working people that see they are getting something for their tax dollars making it easier to live will be less likely to be conned by right wing baloney.
LikeLike
And that is exactly why the Republicans will do everything possible to prevent that from happening. It has been the Republicans’ modus operandi since the 1990s, but once Mitch McConnell took over it went into overdrive and they saw how successful it was.
Unfortunately, it gives Manchin and Sinema enormous power they don’t deserve. I wish Bernie Sanders would do a week-long road trip through West Virginia stopping in every town making the case for how those voters will benefit and to tell them to call Joe Manchin to vote for the plan so the Republicans can’t take all that away so their billionaire funders get more tax breaks they don’t need.
And maybe a similar campaign by someone who has credibility among voters in Arizona and can’t be dismissed by the co-opted media always using right wing talking points to attack the democrats’ message.
I remember reading an article about a local Maine woman who won an election in a conservative area by going door to door talking about bread and butter issues.
The Democrats are offering legislation is that exactly about bread and butter issues! It is amazing that it isn’t playing that way and progressive voters are still believing the propaganda that Democrats are just as corrupt and corporate as the Republicans and conservative voters believing the propaganda that the only thing Democrats care about is “identity politics”!
I read a comment elsewhere where someone said they wouldn’t support the Democrats because all they cared about is “identity politics” — as if these bills didn’t exist!
LikeLike
Going door to door was how AOC won her seat. She did not have many backers in the beginning. She won by reaching out to people directly.
LikeLike
Republicans are more tribal, and they will show up in the midterms. The Democrats have a harder time getting voters out in the midterms. Democrats need to energize their base by scoring a victory.
LikeLike
Excellent comment. Yes, the Dems can take a giant step toward defeating fascism by delivering enough of their program in time.
LikeLike
a similarly anti-democratic figure
Ron DeSatan?
LikeLike
BTW, in a bizarre perversion of its mission, the Flor-uh-duh “Health Department,” under DeSatan’s direction, is fining Leon Country (home to the state capitol in Tallahassee) 3.5 million dollars for issuing a mask mandate to its employees.
“I work for the Flor-uh-duh Health Department. It’s my responsibility to ensure that as few Floridians as possible are protected against this deadly, air-borne disease.”
LikeLike
“Skepticism of or hostility toward election administration is widespread among Republican voters as well, 78 percent of whom still say that President Biden did not win in November.”
In the minds of these people, any restrictions on voting would be interpreted as protecting freedom, not abridging or stealing it away. Therein lies the danger: the truth is itself in question.
The white supremacists who rose to power in the post-reconstruction south saw themselves as preserving democracy in the face of a threat. Hardly anything could be farther from the truth, but, fed with fake news of Black corruption and violence, they found no problem believing in their cause.
Rural Germans found the Nazi explanation for their economic distress easy to believe in the wake of the Versailles treaty that punished Germany and wrecked the world economy.
We must work to marginalize the idea that voting is out of control. We must work to assure that it is just as easy to vote for a person who lives in one place in our country or another. Thousands of voters crammed into a single precinct must be judged unconstitutional. Long lines at the polls should be a signal of the restriction of the franchise. Paper trails of voting should be both extant and open to public review.
But the real job is to see the ballot box affect the condition of the people who today earn far less than they did a generation ago. If economic inequality persists, the fire next time may consume us all.
LikeLike
Yeah, I have wondered whether we are one economic downturn away from full-fledged fascist totalitarianism. Food prices are rising dramatically right now. Yikes. This is what destroyed the Soviet Union.
LikeLike
Our Democracy will not die in 2024.
LikeLike
Have you no concerns?
LikeLike
That our democracy will die in 2024? No, I’m not concerned about that happening.
LikeLike
No, concerns that democracy is under pressure both here and abroad. Live or die is not the question.
LikeLike
“Die” was the question posed by this post.
But again, no, “pressure on Democracy” is not among my top concerns.
LikeLike
Did anyone see the ProPublica piece today about: “Trump Won the County in a Landslide. His Supporters Still Hounded the Elections Administrator Until She Resigned.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-won-the-county-in-a-landslide-his-supporters-still-hounded-the-elections-administrator-until-she-resigned?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter&utm_content=feature
It is apparent to me, as clear as clean glass on a sunny day, that Traitor Trump is getting rid of anyone that he can’t control, even in counties where he won big. Since he lost in 2020, the Traitor has been working to rig the 2022 and 2024 elections in red states and even in purpose states thanks to the dangerous MAGA mob that threatens anyone that is questionable in their total loyalty to the Traitor.
The Traitor doesn’t want to take any chances. He has been a liar and cheater all of his life and he is doing all he can to rig future elections in his favor no matter how the majority of voters vote.
To do that the Traitor is sweeping out anyone that is suspected of being an honest person.
LikeLike
Can Despotism Happen Here?
by Jack Burgess
In 1935, with Mussolini and Hitler consolidating power in Europe, Pulitzer prize-winning novelist, Sinclair Lewis, answered the question many were wondering about in, It Can’t Happen Here. His chief character, Buzz Windrip, exploits the fears and hard times of ordinary Americans to get their votes for President, and become an American dictator.
Fortunately, America of the ‘30’s found its strongman in Franklin Roosevelt, elected President four times and guiding the nation out of the Great Depression and through World War II. Unlike fascist dictators, FDR, confined to a wheelchair, didn’t use strong-arm tactics to hold power, but by providing the governmental programs people needed, such as Social Security, unemployment compensation, a minimum wage, and the right to join unions, among other things. FDR had come to the Presidency well-qualified by a life of public service, including governor of New York, and his programs were dramatically successful in changing American life for the better.
The U.S. faced another kind of repression after WWII, as paranoia about communism was created and manipulated by demagogues seeking power. Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy rose to prominence alleging that Democrat Roosevelt and his successor, Harry Truman, allowed crooks and communists to thrive within our government. McCarthy, aided by his controversial attorney, Roy Cohn, destroyed the careers of politicians, diplomats, writers, and movie directors—with many having to go to Europe to find work because they were “blacklisted.”
In 1973, Roy Cohn represented and was mentor to Donald Trump, when Trump was charged with housing discrimination. We won’t use Cohn in McCarthyism’s favorite ploy, guilt by association, but their relationship is fact, and Cohn’s questionable, scorched-earth tactics are apparent in Trump, who vilifies his opponents without regard to truth or fairness.
Mr. Trump, who bears a striking physical resemblance to Italian dictator Benito Mussolini–check it out on You Tube–has made considerable use of one of Hitler’s favorite tactics, The Big Lie. The idea is that if you say something outrageous enough, often enough, and loud enough, people will believe it, regardless of how ridiculous. Hitler’s biggest lie was to blame Jews for all of Germany’s problems. Trump and supporters have used this tactic on Mexicans, Muslims, and Obama, claiming he wasn’t really an American. They’ve used it on Obamacare, claiming it’s failed, even as we all benefit, and on the economic program under Obama, which saved our economy from the disastrous condition in which George W. Bush left it. Now Trump claims the election is rigged.
Like Hitler, Trump attacks the weak, the handicapped, the foreigner, blaming them for all our problems. Implicit in authoritarianism is that women, or any people not masculine enough, are weak. Trump hates losers. Like any would-be strong-man, he’s outraged when an “inferior” woman, or other person challenges him. Nor has he rejected the support of neo-Nazis and members of the KKK.
Strongmen tend to bring themselves down by overreaching. Hitler took most of Europe, but stupidly invaded Russia and declared war on the U.S. Trump—of “reality” show fame—has apparently overreached by running for President of the United States, a position for which he has little preparation or qualification. He also has underestimated Hillary Clinton, mere woman that she is, and he’s clearly in over his head. Trump says only he can “make America great again,” and “what have you got to lose?” One might look at Hitler’s Germany after World War II for an answer to that.
Trump and his team resemble the fascists, too, in their violence and threats of violence. Tearing down Clinton yard signs is the least of it. Physical attacks at Trump rallies, Trump joking that he could shoot someone in public with impunity, that he can grab women anywhere, seemingly encouraging his followers to attack demonstrators at his rallies, seeming to invite 2nd Amendment people to go after Clinton, threatening to jail his opponent, and saying he might not accept the results of the election, resemble the Nazi Brown Shirts of Germany who bludgeoned their way to power.
Yes, despotism can happen here. Whether it takes over our country depends on how seriously the media does its duty to inform voters, and, ultimately, how we and our fellow Americans vote.
(2016)
Ohio writer Jack Burgess is a retired history and political science teacher.
LikeLike
A few days ago I posted a commentary that begins with how the revisionist history for Jan 6 will read:
https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/tony-norman/2021/10/08/Tony-Norman-Fables-of-the-insurrection/stories/202110080011
I pondered on that the other day as I was driving northbound on the always crowded and crazy I-294 west of Chicago. Driving is perhaps the most obvious expression of a social contract as we have. We all drive in the same direction, we generally make an orderly way to exits, and, although it could be much, much better, the faster traffic tends to move in the left lane. It’s not perfect, but it works remarkably well. Every time I drive on a swampy two-lane highway in rural Florida, that implicit faith in the rationality of that oncoming driver to stay in his or her lane and not plow right into me (or me do the same to them) astounds me. Yet it has always worked up until now.
But now in our governing at many state and local levels and political representation at the federal level–and the policies or lack thereof that come with it–we not only have cars cutting us off and driving erratically, we have them intentionally ramming their cars into others and drive off as they laugh with impunity. The are driving the wrong way on expressways, unpredictably making sharp lane and direction changes, and have no problem driving right into us if we don’t veer off the road. Either way is fine for them. As long as you get yours, they (un)reason.
That’s where democracy is, folks. It definitely will not die in 2024. It’ll be over by then at the rate the highways are getting clogged up.
LikeLike
Great post.. Ilinked it at OEN https://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Will-2024-Be-the-Year-Amer-in-Best_Web_OpEds-Democracy_Democracy_Democracy-Decay_Democracy-For-America-211012-735.html#comment797312
LikeLike