The Boston Globe wrote about what Trump might do next. He could graciously concede his loss, but that doesn’t look likely. He could try to undermine the legitimacy of the election, by tweeting that it was rife with fraud, as he has done on Twitter and his public statements.
“The simple fact is this election is far from over,” Trump said in a statement that was issued while the president was reportedly out playing golf. “Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor.”
He could try to overturn the election results by another method:
Ian Bassin, who worked in the White House counsel’s office during the Obama administration and now serves as executive director of the Washington-based nonprofit group Protect Democracy, worries more about Trump’s legacy.
“While I think the president poses an immediate danger to the functioning of the federal government … I’m actually more concerned about the threats Trump, and especially Trumpism, will pose to our country in coming years,” he said.
Democracy can survive smaller anti-democratic movements, he said, but when they grow to represent large swaths of the population, there are grave risks.
“He has unleashed a toxic political virus on the nation — a mix of white supremacy and authoritarianism — that is not going to be so easy to contain, even if he leaves office,” Bassin said. “So while Congress, courts, and responsible executive branch officials will have to protect our institutions from any Trump-led assaults during a potential lame-duck period, the rest of us have our work cut out for us.”
But there may be more pressing concerns, especially if Trump leans on Republican legislatures in Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia to dismiss the results and submit a slate of electors to Congress who favor him, as some right-wing commentators have been suggesting.
Such a move may be unlikely, but it’s allowed by the Constitution, which designates that states appoint electors “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.” Since the 19th century, the popular vote in each state determined the slate of electors. But as recently as 2000, after the deadlocked election in Florida, the Supreme Court affirmed in Bush v. Gore that states “can take back the power to appoint electors.
William John Antholis, director of the University of Virginia’s Miller Center, which specializes in presidential scholarship, said the size of Biden’s lead would make that approach more difficult, given that it would require multiple states to take the unprecedented step of overturning the will of voters.
“Every state that Biden wins will reduce the possibility of something crazy happening,” he said.
While Trump has lost the popular vote decisively — by more than 4 million votes, so far — some 70 million Americans voted for him, or nearly 48 percent of the electorate. His ultimate fate in the Electoral College, however, won’t be clear until the tight races in several swing states are certified.
Antholis hoped the margin would be great enough for other elected Republicans to recognize that the election was lost and persuade Trump to do so as well.
“Trump’s decision-making sometimes appears mercurial, but he does talk to a lot of people, and the messages those people provide to him, I think, will determine the fate of the country,” he said.
No matter what he hears, Trump is facing legal peril if he leaves office and loses his immunity from prosecution as a sitting president.
“He could try to undermine the legitimacy of the election, by tweeting that it was rife with fraud….”
Says someone who has been undermining the last election by promoting fake Russiagate fraud for four years. Please don’t complain when the right-wingers start painting Biden as a Manchurian candidate tool owned by China – what goes around comes around.
You may be the only person left on earth who believes the Russians did not interfere in the 2016 election.
I think most Trump supporters still believe the Russians did not try to help the Trump campaign one iota and they also believe that Hunter Biden’s laptop was a far more credible story about corruption than the Mueller Report or Trump’s using foreign aid to get help from a foreign government to smear his campaign opponent.
Looking back, I now see how important it was that the Congressional Democrats took a stand for democracy and voted to impeach President Trump. Those impeachment hearings offered important insight into how the Trump campaign worked to spread their hit jobs on candidates.
Without the impeachment hearings, “Biden-Burisma” was the propaganda we would have heard non-stop throughout the fall. But the impeachment made that a non-issue, with so many credible non-partisans who testified UNDER OATH and presented evidence UNDER OATH.
Funny how Trump and Barr completely control the DOJ and couldn’t get anyone to testify under oath about all this corruption they just “know” about Biden. It’s all the same smears that we heard here and the right wing hacks will gladly repeat it on blogs and on right wing media. But they won’t testify under oath.
There is now a cult of Americans who do not believe in evidence or facts anymore. They believe what they hear, and rumor coming from Trump always is absolutely credible, but witnesses offering sworn testimony with no reason at all to lie are all committing perjury.
Even the Republican-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee agreed in a written report that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election for Trump.
Unhinged, morally vain liberals and TDS sufferers are as incapable of reasoning and thinking critically as any MAGA-head.
For the record regarding the soft coup attempt – yes, that’s what the available evidence shows, however grotesque Orange Man may be – known as Russiagate:
The primary pillar of Russiagate, conspiracy/collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia has been disproved and discredited, something the intelligence agencies knew in 2017.
In an era where the NSA captures all digital communication and can watch you pick your nose from outer space, the idea that Trump had been a Sovidt/Russian asset since the 1980’s was preposterous on its face.
Mueller had to drop the charges against the clickbait farm known as the Internet Research Agency because, contrary to everyone’s expectations, they showed up in court and demanded discovery of evidence, which Mueller couldn’t provide. That led to the dropping dropping of charges, something that #McResistance media failed to inform people of. Perhaps it’s just as well, since childish, semi-literate clickbait about Buff Bernie and Jesus arm-wrestling Satan, most of which appeared after the election, was mighty thin gruel to hang an election-changing conspiracy theory on.
3, Sean Henry, the head of Crowdstrike, the DNC vendor which made the initial DNC/Podesta hacking claims, admitted in 2017 testimony before the House intelligence Committee (but not publicly released until this spring) admitted that he had no proof that Russia, or anyone else for that matter, had actually removed data from the DNC servers.
That’s known as strike three. It’s also remarkably similar to the kind of behavior associated with Banana Republics, where powerful factions in the political class, National Security apparatus and monopolized media coalesce to undermine their political enemies. Brazil’s right wing, and its attacks on Lula and Dilma Rouseff, come to mind…
#McResistance liberals should get on their knees every night and thank God for Covid and Trump’s inept response to it, otherwise Orange Man would have likely run over Uncle Joe. After all, Trump’s highest poll ratings were achieved immediately after the D’s idiotic, Russia-Is-Poisoning-Our-Precious-Bodily-Fluids impeachment escapade.
But Uncle Joe eked out a win over Hitler (even if Hitler did increase his vote totals among Black and Latino voters), so we can all go Back To Brunch!
Trump supporters don’t believe the Republican-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee unless they are saying something that Trump approves of. Just like Trump supporters don’t believe Fox News unless Fox News is saying something that Trump approves of.
It is impossible to use reason with these people. Certainly there are some Republicans who aren’t in the cult of Trump, and other who will support Trump except when it requires them to basically commit treason by lying about the reality and evidence that they know is true, like the few Republican Senators on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
But the people who love and defend Trump and believe he is the only truth-teller and everyone else are liars are cult-like in their devotion to only one truth – that which is spoken by Trump. There is no way to reach them until they are de-programmed.
^^Also, I include those who believe Trump over Bernie Sanders and AOC! Sanders and AOC both voted for impeachment and both have come out very strongly explaining to their real supporters what the difference is between a Trump campaign conspiracy theory of voter fraud, and the copious evidence in the Mueller Report and Impeachment hearings that is real. Unfortunately, there are a few people whose belief in the things that Bernie and AOC say is just as fragile as other Trump supporters’ belief in Fox News. Fox News is lying if it isn’t pushing a Trump-approved narrative. Bernie Sanders and AOC are lying if they aren’t pushing a Trump-approved narrative. There is no way to convince people who only believe their supposedly trusted sources if those trust sources don’t attack the Trump-approved narrative.
NYC public school parent: It’s official…Trump and is cure for COVID-19 doesn’t work. Ahhhh. I wonder if NIH is testing whether or not sticking a light up your _______ works? Maybe they’ll soon come out with facts regarding whether or not injecting Lysol Toilet Bowl Cleaner works.
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Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19
National Institutes of Health
11/09/2020 11:30 AM EST
The trial began after lab studies and preliminary reports suggested that hydroxychloroquine might have promise in treating SARS-CoV-2.
A National Institutes of Health clinical trial evaluating the safety and effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of adults with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has formally concluded that the drug provides no clinical benefit to hospitalized patients. Though found not to cause harm, early findings in June when the trial was stopped indicated that the drug was not improving outcomes in COVID-19 patients. Final data and analyses of the trial, which was funded by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), part of NIH, will appear online Nov. 9 in the Journal of the American Medical Association(link is external).
The trial, called Outcomes Related to COVID-19 treated with Hydroxychloroquine among Inpatients with symptomatic Disease (ORCHID), began after lab studies and preliminary reports suggested that hydroxychloroquine — commonly used to treat malaria and rheumatic conditions like arthritis — might have promise in treating SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19…
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19#.X6l_xAnyK7E.gmail
Michael Fiorillo and William Barr have exactly the same POV.
Bernie and AOC disagree. So does Elizabeth Warren. Everyone of real character – no matter how progressive – is reduced to a gullible fool if they don’t accept the William Barr narrative of Trump’s so-called “persecution” by an FBI filled with leftists secretly working for the democrats.
“Trump’s highest poll ratings were achieved immediately after the D’s idiotic, Russia-Is-Poisoning-Our-Precious-Bodily-Fluids impeachment escapade.”
This is a right wing talking point which requires the rest of us to act like a Trump voter and put aside any connection with reality and just believe what “people say” so it must be true.
The impeachment occurred when the President held up foreign aid for the sole purpose of pressuring the leader of a foreign country to come up with dirt on his political opponent to help him win an election.
Those of us — like Bernie Sander and AOC – who live in the reality community remember very clearly that it was the lovely Rudy Giuliani who led this effort!
Yep, Rudy Giuliani! That’s who these people trust more than Bernie and AOC now.
And the fact that they constantly lie about what the impeachment was about and what the Russia investigation is about is revealing. The Russia investigation wasn’t about whether Russia had been grooming Trump as a Russian asset for decades.
It was about Russian interference in our election and the direct influence they had in the Trump campaign and the quid pro quo help they gave by using the kinds of illegal means that Nixon’s guys used during Watergate to destroy Democrats. And there was copious evidence of that.
It was about Donald Trump firing the FBI director because he would not follow orders to stop investigating Flynn.
Trump supporters believe Nixon did nothing wrong, too, since what he did was nothing compared to what Trump did that is documented as fact. But it’s much easier for Trump supporters to ignore the documented evidence and say “well they didn’t prove that Trump was a Russian spy, so there’s nothing there.”
It is very revealing that the entire defense of the Trump cult rests on repeating endlessly that Trump “didn’t do” something ridiculous instead of actually addressing and defending all of the improper things that the Trump campaign and Trump White House did do! Trump also didn’t jaywalk! He also didn’t illegally park!
NYCPSP,
Please stop referencing Bernie and AOC. Make your arguments without referring to them repeatedly.
Diane,
I hope you understood that I was only referencing those two progressive politicians because they both have a huge amount of credibility and integrity! I think it’s important because there is an effort being made to deceive your readers to believe that there is a neocon cabal inventing lies about President Trump. But very smart progressives have looked very closely at the evidence and I believe that needs to be said in response when posters come up with dishonest neocon conspiracy theories to “get” Trump.
I don’t believe in some Russia hoax because a bunch of mainstream or conservative democrats have told me it is true. I believe it because smart progressive politicians with integrity who have access to a lot more information than the average person know it is true. The ideologues posting that it isn’t true are attacking the progressive politicians with the most integrity when they claim that it was all an evil plot to get Trump. And I think they should be called out and forced to defend that. If those posters can come up with a rational reason why the two progressive politicians with the MOST integrity would join some neocon cabal to “get” Trump, then they should offer it up. Because I find these posts incredibly insulting to the two progressive politicians with the most integrity, and I wish they would defend that insult.
From voxdotcom, 9-29-20: quote – Trump made the remarks in question during his first campaign, saying, “Russia, if you’re listening — I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens.”
But Trump did not say this to a cheering and laughing crowd at one of his rallies. He actually said it in front of a handful of reporters during a news conference at his Doral property in Florida. That news conference wound up being his final one before the election, in large part because of the negative stir his remarks generated. [snip]
Jim Acosta of CNN, the reporter who asked the question that prompted Trump to say “Russia, if you’re listening” at the July 2016 news conference, tweeted on Tuesday morning that “the reporters at the news conference didn’t laugh. And Trump didn’t appear to be joking.”
The president seems to be trying to turn reality on its head, even though there’s tape to prove otherwise. end quote
Trump actually asked Russia to interfere in our elections. He claims he was joking but he said it to a group of reporters and did not appear to be joking at the time.
The sheer idiocy of these repeated claims is astounding. So let’s, for argument’s sake, accept the fact that Putin and his henchmen (and women) are a pure as the driven snow. A dastardly cabal of neoliberals would have to play an elaborate, intricate game of conspiratorial intrigue and, mind you, make sure a word of it never leaked. Then for this “explanation” to be true, here’s their plan must have been:
First, recruit thousands of intelligence officers, congressional Democrats and their staffs, members of the print, broadcast, and virtual media upon penalty of worse than death if they squeaked a word of it. Second, orchestrate the 2016 campaign with puppet strings to ensure the Idiot won both his party’s nomination plus the electoral college to assume the presidency. The collusion of the Clinton campaign to make rhetorical and tactical missteps to aid this plan is a given.
Then those nasty neoliberals would have conducted a sustained four year campaign of planting and publicizing false stories about Russian interference and tamp down any strong denials coming from the Kremlin. They would have directed Vindman, Yovanovich, etc. to commit career suicide to testify to lies (perhaps they got a hefty, secret payout). Not only that, they would have gotten Republicans on the intelligence committees to go along with them and their congressional leader, Adam Schiff, to sustain the ruse. The Lincoln Project was unexpected lagniappe.
Now, to the complete the plan and finally expose the true intent all along, they would have made sure that Biden got not only more votes, but more electoral votes, to win the presidency. They also would have made sure that congressional Democrats did not gain any seats. Because the long game here was one thing and one thing only: to paint Biden as a Manchurian candidate incapable of governing, opening the way decades of neoliberal nirvana.
That is one magic loogie!
OMG! Exactly!
The thing that is so dangerous is that these people are not marginalized the way they should be. They basically lie and say “the impeachment was all about Trump jaywalking and they didn’t prove he jaywalked, so he is innocent! The impeachment was all about how Trump has been a Russian spy since 1970, and since they didn’t prove that Trump has been a Russian spy since 1970, Trump is innocent”. Sheer right wing propaganda which is repeated by people who claim to be on the left as they call Bernie Sanders and AOC liars or fools. They can’t make honest arguments like AOC does, so they use dishonest ones.
Meanwhile, when it comes to a democrat, they are all in on how the conspiracy theory you just set out is absolutely, positively true!
Trump is facing legal peril if he leaves office and loses his immunity from prosecution as a sitting president.
Wouldn’t the DOJ be doing more to prosecute Trump if it were led by someone with ethics instead of William Barr, Trump’s personal AG?
“Lock him up!” “Lock him up!” “Lock him up!” “Lock him up!” “Lock him up!” “Lock him up!”
I think this editorial is spot on.The wiggle room for Republican states to bypass the custom of allocating electoral votes to reflect the winning outcome of the election should not be underestimated. That would have real consequences and I am sure the party of Trump (once Republicans), will do anything to win, including paying for people to concoct and report plausible frauds in voting, even if there is no solid evidence. The number of people who are fueling distrust of the entire voting process is a huge problem with the potential for violence actively encouraged by high profile media personalities on Fox News, Facebook, and other social media.
They’ve shown themselves willing to do anything, but if they choose so to subvert democracy itself, the people in those states where this is done will doubtless rebel. If they do this, then the United States can no longer pretend to anything remotely close to democratic government.
This utter subversion of democratic processes is precisely what Bannon was recently calling for on his Youtube Channel, saying that he and the other fascists have the states and the Supremes and calling on Trump to proceed with his second term.
Of course, Trump would do anything to win, and hope that it goes to the Supreme Court. SCOTUS would to choose between Trump and democracy.
Exactly. I have faith that even this court would not do that.
Well, the Supreme Court chose GW Bush over Democracy, and that one was less partisan than this one.
Let’s just hope it doesn’t ever get to the Supreme Court.
Doesn’t seem like there is really any route there at this point.
The threats to democracy by the Trump administration are another reason we should eliminate the electoral college. If we can no longer trust that we can have a representative democracy, then we should have a direct democracy in Presidential elections. The convoluted electoral college depends on trusting the integrity of the members of the electoral college. If we cannot trust it to work in the interest of democracy, then we should eliminate it. Democrats are tired of winning the popular vote and losing the race.
Hi retired teacher. 🙂 Technically, the US is a republic. Regarding the Electoral College, there should be an investigation on which electors selected Donald Trump. Even Hillary and Al haven’t advocated that. ☹️
Please, let me enjoy the fact that Biden won the election and the all important Electoral College by a very good margin. It’s insane that we are still burdened with the E.C. and also the fact that the incumbent is still in power until Jan. 20th. Trump can cause a lot of damage between now and the inauguration of Biden. Over 71 million people voted for Trump and Graham and McConnell were returned to the Senate. What is the matter with these people? Too many of these people in the red states are one or two issue voters: abortion, gun “rights” (total nonsense) and socialism, socialism, socialism, socialism, socialism, socialism, socialism, etc., ad nauseam to the max. Joe McCarthy is laughing his head off from the bowels of hell. McCarthyism is alive and well in the USA, thus no progressive legislation, no health care for you, no Medicare4All. And yes, too many Democrats are at fault too but at least Biden is for Obamacare which is light years better than the GOP non-plan (or nothing). The progressive Democrats like AOC are for M4All, 0 Republicans are for a national health care system.
Oh well, on the plus side, almost 76 millions voted for Biden, not everyone in this country is a gun clutching, bible thumping troglodyte/reactionary.
Until 1937, incumbent presidents were power through March 4. ☹️
One more [Bleep] gets brought down a notch.
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The Washington Post
Alert
News Alert
Nov. 9, 12:04 p.m. EST
HUD Secretary Ben Carson tests positive for the coronavirus
Ben Carson was at the White House for an election night event that also included White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who has tested positive for the virus.
Backwards Design!
He needs a scapegoat, a way to be a hero to his base, and a runway to start up his multi-media tv & social media network.
The scapegoat has to include Obama and Hillary… and Fauci
Biden is not the enemy now. He knows the vote count is legitimate so he has to blame HOW those people voted on people – and it has to be people he wants to demonize and who are more popular than he is. He needs to take people down on the way out.
The base needs to see him go out swinging, bashing “liberals” who want their guns and tax money and “patriotism” and segregation – – and keep them salivating over armed protests he will schedule for January 20.
And, since he needs to own stuff and people – he’ll do what speculation was in 2016 before he realized he might win. It was all a run up to taking over fox and news media everywhere so he is the sole source of information.
Where is the head of the American Nurses Association?
I have no doubts that Trump and his administration with help from the GOP, are planning to attempt an Electoral College coup.
But, for Trump and the GOP to pull off this coup through the Electoral College, they will have to flip 56 Electors in the battleground states where Biden won the popular vote.
Those states are Nevada, Minnesota, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
Trump will not be able to flip Nevada’s 6 electoral votes – Nevada has a Democratic Governor and both state legislatures have Democratic majorities.
In addition, with 10 electoral votes, Minnesota has a Democratic Governor with a GOP majority in the state Senate and a Democratic majority in the state House, Trump, and the GOP will probably not be successful in flipping the electors in this state. Those faithless electors will be challenged in court and their votes changed to support Biden.
There is only one state that is probably a safe bet for Trump to flip to pull off his Electoral College coup without much of a fight, and that is Arizona with 11 Electoral College votes. Arizona is the only state among the six that has a GOP governor and both legislatures controlled by the GOP. George is another one but that state does not count yet since it has not been added to Biden’s total EC votes.
The rest of the states with 46 Electoral College votes have Democratic governors, but the GOP controls the state legislatures. The question is: Can those Democratic governors veto any legislation the GOP controlled legislatures attempt to pass to make it legal to flip their Electoral College votes and/or may those Democratic governors go to court without support from their legislatures to hold their electors accountable to state law?
Right now, 48 states have laws that direct their electors to cast their vote with the popular vote winner in their states. For this coup to be legal, that legislation must be changed and/or the state must not contest the Faithless Electors.
Click to access research-state-laws-pres-electors-nov16.pdf
In July 2020, a unanimous U.S. Supreme court ruled that Electoral College voters can be forced to back state popular vote winners.
The key point of this unanimous ruling was: “States can require Electoral College voters to back the victor of their state’s popular vote.”
I’m not sure if there is any language in that ruling that says a governor cannot hold his state’s electors responsible to cast their votes with the winner of the popular vote in his or her state according to that state’s laws.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/06/supreme-court-electoral-college-ruling-states-can-force-electors-to-abide-by-popular-vote.html
To pull off Trump’s Electoral College coup, there will be a bitter battle fought through the courts all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, and no matter who wins, the country may still be torn apart by a Civil War.
If Trump wins, the blue states rebel.
If Trump loses, the red states rebel.
The country loses and cities burn.