For months, the Trump administration refused to hold press conferences to avoid answering questions from the press. Then came the pandemic, and two things happened. First, Trump stopped holding rallies for his base because it was too dangerous to hold them (ironic since he sides with the protestors who believe the pandemic is a hoax). Second, Trump realized that he could substitute daily “briefings” for his rallies, where he controls the venue and the actors, just like a reality show, with him playing the role of president.
Charles Blow of the New York Times says the free press should stop giving Trump free media in the run up to the election.
He writes:
“Around this time four years ago, the media world was all abuzz over an analysis by mediaQuant, a company that tracks what is known as “earned media” coverage of political candidates. Earned media is free media.
“The firm computed that Donald Trump had “earned” a whopping $2 billion of coverage, dwarfing the value earned by all other candidates, Republican and Democrat, even as he had only purchased about $10 million of paid advertising.
“As The New York Times reported at the time, the company’s chief analytics officer, Paul Senatori, explained: “The mediaQuant model collects positive, neutral and negative media mentions alike. Mr. Senatori said negative media mentions are given somewhat less weight.”
“This wasn’t the first analysis that found that something was askew.
“In December 2015 CNN quoted the publisher of The Tyndall Report, which also tracks media coverage, saying Trump was “by far the most newsworthy story line of campaign 2016, accounting alone for more than a quarter of all coverage’ on NBC, CBS and ABC’s evening newscasts.”
“Simply put, the media was complicit in Trump’s rise. Trump was macabre theater, a man self-immolating in real time, one who was destined to lose, but who could provide entertainment, content and yes, profits while he lasted.
“The Hollywood Reporter in February of 2016 quoted CBS’s C.E.O. as saying, “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” because as The Reporter put it, “He likes the ad money Trump and his competitors are bringing to the network.”
“I fear that history is repeating itself.
“For over a month now, the White House has been holding its daily coronavirus briefings, and most networks, cable news channels and major news websites have been carrying all or parts of them live, as millions of people, trapped inside and anxious, have tuned in.
“The briefings are marked by Trump’s own misinformation, deceptions, rage, blaming and boasting. He takes no responsibility at all for his abysmal handling of the crisis, while each day he seems to find another person to blame, like a child frantically flinging spaghetti at a wall to see which one sticks.
“He delivers his disinformation flanked by scientists and officials, whose presence only serves to convey credibility to propagandistic performances that have simply become a replacement for his political rallies.
“We are in the middle of a pandemic, but we are also in the middle of a presidential campaign, and I shudder to think how much “earned media” the media is simply shoveling Trump’s way by airing these briefings, which can last up to two hours a day.
“Let me be clear: Under no circumstance should these briefings be carried live. Doing so is a mistake bordering on journalistic malpractice. Everything a president does or says should be documented but airing all of it, unfiltered, is lazy and irresponsible.
“As the veteran anchor Ted Koppel told The New York Times last month, “Training a camera on a live event, and just letting it play out, is technology, not journalism; journalism requires editing and context.” He continued, “The question, clearly, is whether his status as president of the United States obliges us to broadcast his every briefing live.” His answer was “no.”
“We have trained the American television audience to understand that regular programs are only interrupted for live events when they are truly important, things that the viewers need to see now, in real time. These briefings simply don’t reach that threshold. In fact, some of what Trump has said has been dangerous, like when he pushed an unproven and potentially harmful drug as a treatment for the virus.
“No amount of fact checkers, balancing with the briefings of governors, or even occasionally cutting away, can justify carrying these briefings live. The scant amount of new information that these rallies produce could be edited into a short segment for a show. The major headlines from these briefings are often Trump’s clashes with reporters, the differences he has with scientists and the lies he tells. Just like in 2016, it’s all theater.
“Donald Trump doesn’t care about being caught in a lie. Donald Trump doesn’t care about the truth.
“Donald Trump is a bare-knuckled politician with imperial impulses, falsely claiming that, “When somebody’s the president of the U.S., the authority is total,” encouraging protesters bristling about social distancing policies to “liberate” swings states, and saying that Speaker Nancy Pelosi will be “overthrown, either by inside or out.”
“Trump has completely politicized this pandemic and the briefings have become a tool of that politicization. He is standing on top of nearly 40,000 dead bodies and using the media to distract attention away from them and instead brag about what a great job he’s done.
“In 2016, Trump stormed the castle by outwitting the media gatekeepers, exploiting their need for content and access, their intense hunger for ratings and clicks, their economic hardships and overconfidence.
“It’s all happening again. The media has learned nothing.”

Trump is, ofc, incredibly stupid and ignorant. But he is capable of a kind of low cunning, especially with the help of his enablers in Moscow. He has a couple tricks up his con man sleeve.
One he learned from his mentor Roy Cohn: when caught in a lie, repeat it, but bigger this time. Never apologize. And so in these Trump campaign rallies, we get Trump claiming, again and again, that he took decisive action, early on, to contain the pandemic and that the results, relatively fewer deaths than there could have been, are due not to the social distancing measures instituted by governors but due, instead, to his halting travel from China.
A second item in the bag of Trump Tricks, which has long been standard among autocrats: find a scapegoat to blame things on–foreigners, immigrants, etc. A third item: when a claim is too outrageous to make it directly, dog whistle it. Hint at it, and leave it to the brownshirts among your followers to say it outright. Trump has been doing this a lot recently in his daily Trump adulation spots–hinting that his maladministration is “looking into” the possibility that SARS-CV-2 was created in a laboratory in China. This is, of course, preposterous. Coronaviruses mutate constantly. By sequencing their genes and comparing these, we can reconstruct their history and relations, over time and space, just as we do by comparing words in differing but related languages. By this means, we know that this virus arose among bats, was transferred to wild animals sold for food in a Wuhan wet market, was carried to Europe by visitors from China, and was carried to the United States by visitors from China and Europe.
The repeated but bigger lie. The scapegoat. The dogwhistle to extremist followers. This is what Trump does in his daily Trump fests, his 50-minute Hates. Here, my most recent rendering of one of those:
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Trump, of course, was chosen by Sessions, Bannon, and Miller to carry their white supremacist agenda forward. They looked around for a candidate to do this, and they settled on Trump. All this is detailed in the superb Frontline documentary “Zero Tolerance,” which is available on PBS online and on Youtube and breathtakingly important. And so, with the help of Moscow, and with guidance from Sessions, Bannon, Miller, and others, Trump carried out a successful campaign in 2016 based on racism, anti-immigrant fervor, xenophobia. Now, Miller, Trump’s Goebbels, is propaganda minister in the Trump maladministration, and writes most of his prepared remarks. And again, for 2020, they are going with the tried and true–xenophobia–to win the coming election. That appears to be the strategy. Blame it on China. Position Trump as the savior against the external enemy.
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What is worse, is the enablers who allow him to get away with anything… not a shred of accountability, for this mobster makes him feel inuvlnearble. And McConnel is the worst
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/20/how-mitch-mcconnell-became-trumps-enabler-in-chief?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Magazine_Daily_042020&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd67b913f92a41245df0c6d&cndid=45272181&hasha=0b7efaaf843601e54e3ef31aad9169d1&hashb=50d2958d4a70081c1c4006fb9fb3751e9226fdbb&hashc=c5b01153be51da58eadd552486fa254a96c94b4ca28601d8a39c5d8829c7ecc8&esrc=auto_auth_de&utm_term=TNY_Daily
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Our local stations here in Michigan no longer break for his Random Agitprop Rants but stream them off on one of their cartoon channels or something — I wouldn’t know since I’ve never been able to watch him more than 20 seconds or so …
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I find these Trump shows utterly fascinating. It’s interesting to watch his cognitive deterioration and his attempts to make use of the standard tricks of the demagogue. He’s gotten progressively worse. He’s really, really losing it.
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I might find it fascinating from a socio-patho-psychological point of view if I had some kind of N45 mask to protect my brain from all the damage he causes. That, and my ears from bleeding …
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LMAO!!! Good call. As a professor of logic, you aren’t built to handle this, Jon.
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Indeed he is… It is more frightening than the pandemic. He is going to claim medical martial law. He is NOT leaving.
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Yes he is leaving. We will drag him out.
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Diane, that would be a wonderful moment to witness!!!
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I find the notion of having to drag the American president out of the White House an interesting and disturbing one. I cannot imagine that any president would try such a thing without expecting civil war. The military would have to be instructed by the Congress and the Supreme Court to remove the president, one would suppose. At some point there would be violence in the street. Removing him would cause the same people who are now demonstrating in certain states to agitate for his return, possibly at gunpoint. This is a very disturbing scenario.
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Even though it has never happened in this country, the Oath of Office all officers in the military take means that the highest-ranking officers do not have to get permission from the Congress or Supreme Court to act.
Oath of Commissioned Officers
I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Title 5 U.S. Code 3331, an individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services)
Did you notice that military officers do not take an Oath to be loyal to the President or Congress or the Supreme court if they think the Constitution is being threatened by foreign and domestic enemies?
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I would think, Lloyd, that as Commander in Chief the president has some control over the military? Since at the point that Trump would need to be dragged from the White House he would no longer be President, I’m sure the new President would take swift action. I do worry what Trump and his minions might do between the election and the swearing in of the new president.
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If Trump is plotting to grab total power, he will not wait for the election. He will act before the election. Once the election is over, Trump will be removed from the White House no matter what he is saying or tweeting about the election.
I think it is a safe bet, that if Trump loses the election, even if he lost by a massive gap in the Electoral College and popular vote, he will spend the rest of his life stirring up trouble claiming the invented and fictional “Deep State” cheated. And, his hardcore deplorable followers will support him.
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I suspect that our military officers, for the most part, know what Trump is. He’s the guy who abandoned our allies the Kurds. He’s the one who withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty and the INF at the very time when Russia has developed hypersonic nuclear missiles. He’s the one who divulges state secrets in meetings in the now Offal Office with top Russian officials. He’s the one who diverts military construction funds to building his stupid wall. He’s the one James Mattis referred to as having “the understanding of a fifth- or sixth-grader.” He’s the one who referred to generals as “a bunch of dopes and babies.” I suspect that our military and intelligence services long ago got Trump’s number, and that number is a direct line to his handlers in the Kremlin.
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Of course they know what he is! However, they have no power under the Constitution to take him down as long as he is the president. The Constitution has other mechanisms that are supposed to deal with presidential corruption and incompetence. Even when those measures are not working so well, the military has no authority to stage a military coup and that is not a precedent we want to set unless we want to put banana in front of republic as our form of government.
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I thought we were talking here about a scenario in which Trump loses the election but refuses to leave–one, for example, in which he claims that the election was fixed.
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I think we don’t want to contemplate the possibility of Trump not wanting leave. I’ll leave the contemplation and its ramifications to Lloyd.
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The Atlantic already did an article on what would happen if Trump refused to step down. The journalist also had several examples of what happened throughout US history when a few governors refused to go.
For instance, there was mention of one Republican governor that lost to a Democrat; I think it was in Texas. The GOP loser locked himself in the basement of the governor’s mansion and refused to leave or relinquishing power. The GOP controlled top state court ruled in favor of the GOP guy. The winning Democrat requested support from the president who refused. The old governor had his armed police and the new governor showed up with police that supported him. The Republican blinked first and left.
An interesting bit of history in that Atlantic piece. I think I provided a link in this threat in one of my comments.
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Well, the governor is a governor. But at least 30% of the population will stick with Trump, no matter what, and the 30% sure have guns.
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Yes, but that 30 percent, if it is that high, (I read a report that indicated Trump’s loyalty base is only 13 to 15 percent – the rest are just voting conservative and Trump is their only candidate for president so they blindly vote for him because he isn’t a Democrat or what they call a “libtard”) are not the only ones that have firearms.
While more registered republicans own firearms when we combine independent voters with Democrats that own firearms, the GOP is outnumbered.
:o) I have an itchy trigger finger and another vet (he was a Navy medic in the Marines) said he will loan me his scoped, sniper rifle (that he used to hunt wild game) if a Civil War is started by Trump’s Red MAGA Hats. Gary told me he has hundreds of rounds for that rifle.
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LOL. And amusing contemplations they are.
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It doesn’t matter what he claims. He will no longer be the President. If I were him, I would be planning where I was going to run to and how.
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A nice dacha outside Moscow?
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“They have no power under the Constitution to take him down as long as he is the president.”
You left out a word, speduktr.
“They have no power under the Constitution to take him down as long as he is legally the president.”
If Trump does what I suspect he will do, he is going to sign an executive order to stop the election in November and extend his presidency indefinitely.
William Barr the Attorney General of the United States has the authority to act, but he will not because he has made it clear for decades (memos and discussions) that he believes in an Imperial Presidency. Barr is supportingTrump’s efforts to become an Emperor.
“The Barr Memo and the Imperial Presidency”
https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-barr-memo-and-the-imperial-presidency/
The Republican majority in the Senate turned the impeachment trial into a sham when they refused to allow the House to publicly question witnesses to Trump’s crimes and misdemeanors.
Since Moscow Mitch and the GOP in the Senate protected Trump from being fired, Trump has repeatedly violated his Oath of Office and the Democrats in the House have more than enough evidence to impeach him again, but why bother when they already know what will happen in the Senate, again.
If the election is held in November and TRump loses by a massive margin in the Electoral College and the popular vote, and he doesn’t leave the White House on January 20, 2021 at noon, then someone has to escort him out of the White House.
What happens if he refuses and no one escorts him out and the new president is not allowed to take office?
If the Congress and US Supreme Court fails to act, then it will be up to the military to restore our Constitutional Republic. If given a choice between Trump staying in office beyond his expectation date and a country with martial law ruled by the Joint Chiefs of Staff out of the DOD, then I will support the generals and admirals, and trust that once they have restored order and a legally elected president has taken the Oath of Office and has moved into the White House, the military will step back. Their action to get rid of Trump will also set a precedent for any future presidents that refuse to abide by the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law it represents.
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I knew that we can trust Lloyd with contemplation…
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Mate I wasn’t going to say anything because I don’t have the citation. But a few weeks ago someone asked Joe Biden what he would do if he (Biden) won the election and Trump wouldn’t leave. Biden responded that he would call the (I think he said the Capitol Police) and have Trump ushered out. <–that’s the drift of what Biden said.
I was glad to see that the issue has already been raised at that level as plausible occurrence and that a “plan B” probably is already set. FYI CBK
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“What happens if he refuses and no one escorts him out and the new president is not allowed to take office?”
Are you kidding me? He would probably be escorted out by the secret service under the orders of their new boss. I can’t imagine everyone standing around crying,”Oh my, what shall we do?”
It would be wonderful to have a Constitutional scholar address these issues.
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The capital police or the secret service escorting Trump out of the White House by force if needed is what should happen, but there are no guarantees in life that things will work like they are supposed to.
So, if the system breaks down, the last resort is the military honoring their Constitutional Oath. If that doesn’t happen, our Constitutional Republic will become history.
Trump has dropped enough of hints at his hate rallies and tweets over his years in the White House to indicate that he wants to stay in power for life and leave his children in charge when he is gone. He’s thinking of founding a dynasty.
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“So, if the system breaks down”
The system has been breaking down. This pandemic has brought it out clearly,hasn’t it?
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I agree that the system appears to be breaking down. However, I think we still have time to reverse that trend and strengthen it. In November, we will find out. I am hopeful that what happened in the 2018 mid-terms will repeat more dramatically in 2020.
If the voter turnout breaks all the records and the GOP and Trump are defeated big time, that will be a strong sign that the majority of Americans do not want the system to break down.
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Speduktr, I think you should read this and then sit down a “think”.
“One of Trump’s former confidants, Michael Cohen, has suggested that Trump won’t leave. In his congressional testimony before heading to prison, Trump’s former attorney said, ‘Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, there will never be a peaceful transition of power.'”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/what-if-he-wont-go/606259/
If Trump refuses to accept defeat and leave office peacefully, then I hope and pray our military will act if it is necessary to get rid of that monster, because nothing else worked thanks to the Republican Party of today.
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Absolutely, but only within the confines of the law/Constitution.
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I do not think you understand what I’m saying. If the law breaks down and the country is mired in a Constitutional Crises with Trump staying in power, the last resort when all else fails is the military honoring their Constitutional Oath, the same Oath that the Continental Army made during the revolution and George Washington took when he became the 1st president.
I think it is apparent that the Founding Fathers included that Oath in the original Constitution because there were educated enough to understand that written laws and contracts do not automatically protect us. Only courageous people will do that if the system fails to do what it should according to the U.S.Constitution.
Have you forgotten that Trump has a long history of breaking hundreds if not thousands of contracts he signed with contractors and investors because he refused to honor them? Do you really think Trump will let the U.S. Constitution get in his way if he can pull off a coup?
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Are you writing a alternative history novel? There are a lot of ifs in your suppositions the least of which assumes that everyone within the government who opposes Trump will roll over and play dead while he makes himself dictator for life Republican senators may not have been doing a very good job of reining in Trump, but I suspect there are a few more who might be willing to decide it is time for him to go at this point. If the military steps in they have already broken their oath to protect the Constitution since they have no power under the Constitution to do so. We will be in the midst of a civil war. The military cannot pick and choose when they follow their oath unless they are willing to be charged with treason.
We really are wandering into fiction right now, and in any case, I hope that any plans to maintain the integrity of the Constitution and our form of government from a Trump dictatorship are in better hands than ours.
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That is what “IF” is for. If it was a sure thing, I would have used “when”.
The possibilities are endless especially when there are so many clues from Trump’s history going back to “cadet bone spurs”, Trump’s court cases, Trump’s bankruptcies, Trump’s failed businesses, Trump’s money laundering, Trump’s hate rallies, Trump’s tweets, Trump’s lies, and Trump’s COVID-19 press conferences that he has turned into free coverage for his presidential campaign. I probably left a few items off this list.
Trump is a gambler that stacks the deck in his favor every chance he gets. He’s been doing it for most of his life. What do you think the odds are that Trump will fail to get what he clearly wants – a family political dynasty with him the first Emperor?
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“That is what “IF” is for. If it was a sure thing, I would have used “when”.”
Thanks, I’ll remember this. When I teach logic, I always tell the students that logic doesn’t distinguish between but or and. The same goes for if and when. This shows the limitations of the applicability of science.
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Just like volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, tsunamis, and earthquakes, we know they are going to happen, but we don’t know exactly when.
When = noun. the time of anything: the when and the where of an act.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/when?s=t
If = the future is full of ifs, a supposition; uncertain possibility
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/if?s=t
“Ten Warning Signs that Democracies Are Under Siege”
1) Voter participation across liberal democracies is weak and even falling. (if 2018 is any indication, 2020 is going to have a massive increase in the number of votes cast.)
CHECK 2) Money buys political influence.
CHECK 3) The key pillars of liberal democracy are weakening.
4) The political tenures of elected leaders are falling. (it is apparent that Trump wants to stay president longer than two terms but so far, he hasn’t gotten what he wants.)
CHECK 5) Leading democracies are being challenged from within.
CHECK 6) Political freedom is on the decline.
CHECK 7) Trust in political structures is waning.
CHECK 8) Non-democracies are gaining favor.
CHECK 9) We have created Illiberal, not liberal democracies.
10) Younger generations are turning away from democracy. (to be determined in November 2020)
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/ten-warning-signs-that-democracies-are-under-siege/
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From the Oath of Enlistment to U.S. military service:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
A president who refuses to leave office is in violation of the Constitution.
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Haven’t they learned? They got him elected. Media is here to profit. All media, social and mass reflects the identities of the viewers, readers, and listeners they want to buy or click. As long as reds who love him and blues who hate him click or buy their products, they will continue to do so. Unfortunately, profit has no morality or ethics!
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Dave Greene Right. And no newspaper people identify with truth-telling. BTW, Trump doesn’t need reporters–he reveals his depravity to us every day, all by himself. CBK
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MORE: It’s a wedding of (1) Amateur Night and (2) “Waste, Fraud, and Abuse” at the White House. CBK
From link below:
“White House, GOP face heat after hotel and restaurant chains helped run small business program dry. With program out of money, backlash prompts executives at Shake Shack to return $10 million loan. by Jonathan O’Connell / April 20, 2020 at 7:37 a.m. PDT
“The federal government gave national hotel and restaurant chains millions of dollars in grants before the $349 billion program ran out of money Thursday, leading to a backlash that prompted one company to give the money back and a Republican senator to say that ‘millions of dollars are being wasted.’
“Thousands of traditional small businesses were unable to get funding from the program before it ran dry. As Congress and the White House near a deal to add an additional $310 billion to the program, some are calling for additional oversight and rule changes to prevent bigger chains from accepting any more money.
“Ruth’s Chris Steak House, a chain that has 150 locations and is valued at $250 million, reported receiving $20 million in funding from the small business portion of the economic stimulus legislation called the Paycheck Protection Program. The Potbelly chain of sandwich shops, which has more than 400 locations and a value of $89 million, reported receiving $10 million last week. . . . ”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/white-house-gop-face-heat-after-hotel-restaurant-chains-helped-run-small-business-program-dry/?wpmk=1&wpisrc=al_trending_now__alert-economy–alert-national&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_trending_now
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A lot of the small business loans have gone to hedge funds. Many hedge funds have few employees. Nevertheless, they qualify as a “small business.” Hedge funds do not create many jobs or any products other than the chaos from the churn of their financial manipulations. When hedge fund managers smell government funding, it is like a bucket of chum for killer sharks. https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-hedge-fund-friends-want-coronavirus-relief-money-intended-for-small-businesses/
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Small Business (n) a business that owns fewer than 50 congress(wo)men …
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Exactly.
Munchkin Mnuchin (in lederhosen):
I represent the oligarch guild,
the oligarch guild, the oligarch guild.
And in the name of the oligarch guild,
I wish to welcome you to Grifterland.
Citizens are marks in Grifterland.
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Media Made
Media made
Tweetia staid
Failed at the trade
Just to be paid
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Will the New York Times follow its own advice? MSNBC stopped doing the full staged performances several days ago, CNN has run banners saying this is a Propaganda Campaign. I think Trump depends on the reporters in the room as his audience. He needs to make eye contact and play to the most active listeners, then turn the tables on most of them by saying,”You are stupid,” “You have no brains,” “You are fake news.” These enablers of his performance should not be in the hall.
I have started watching not just Trump but the other people within the view of the camera. They have put on masks that make them look inhuman, walking zombies incapable of registering any feelings at all about Trump’s outright lies, and his excessive and meaningless praise, especially for people he “likes.” I have some friends who are puppeteers. They are sure to find full scripts for their performances from the clown/puppet in chief press briefings.
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The part that still shocks me is how easily we all accepted that he lies constantly. The President lies, constantly, in every public appearance, and that’s just accepted now.
It’s such an incredibly low standard. I don’t know how we raise it back up after he’s gone. If the Trump Administration can lie every day why should the next administration be held to a higher standard?
It isn’t going to magically go back up. This is the new norm- utter, chronic dishonesty in all dealings with public. That’s the US Presidency now.
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It’s been amusing to watch Trump and his supporters insist their ideology will direct the course of a virus- that they can yell and scream and the virus will listen and obey. The virus doesn’t care. It doesn’t operate in an ideological framework. Yelling “liberty!” over and over won’t matter to the thing at all. The virus doesn’t have a flag, or a country, or an army. They launched a war but they can’t find an enemy in a uniform, so it’s “China” or “the governor of Michigan” or “liberals”. Meanwhile the virus just does what it does.
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If the REAL media stopped attending those FAKE press conferences, there would be no one left to report Trump’s lies. More than half of the country relies upon the REAL media for the fact-checking.
The only FAKE news media that would show up would be FOX, Sinclair Media, One America Network, and probably misinformation liars like Alex Jones and Limbaugh. And there would be no reason for them to be there because the Trump administration must provide them with an alternative fact-based script (all misinformation and lies) to report as news.
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The media can still attend just not broadcast it live. Someone has to be aware of what is going on in his mind. Since his wown bought and paid for media will report, someone has to be able to counter the garbage.
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I am struck by the degree to which Trump has been successful in making himself the news. He revels in the attention like Joe McCarthy did. Unlike McCarty, however, attention has never produced a moment that compares to the Army hearings I which McCarthy was rebuked publicly and fell silent. There have been thousands of moment when this could and should have happened. But it has not. It was not until the Germans were badly losing the war that Hitler fell silent and only Joseph Goebels was heard intoning old phrases on the Radio.
When will Trump’s moment come?
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That moment won’t come until someone with more power than Trump does it. For instance, the generals and admirals that are the Joint Chiefs of the military branches at the DOD decide to step in and stop Trump and his administration. To do that, they use the military to take over the country up to the election.
I can’t think of anyone else with the power to stop Trump until the election in November. Then it will be up to the voters.
However, Trump has revealed he is willing to say and do anything to beat everyone on the planet. What is he going to attempt to do to subvert the election to win? He already is on record saying we can’t allow everyone that’s eligible to vote, to vote, because he’d lose the election.
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The military does not have that power under the Constitution, and it is dangerous to suggest such a thing. I am not interested in living a military dictatorship anymore than I like Trump’s brand.
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I disagree. That Officers Oath is taken by all the uniformed services, and it gives them the right to step in if there is no doubt that the U.S. Constitution is in danger of being tossed aside. If Trump attempts to stop the November election and extend his presidency beyond January 2021, the GOP in the Senate does nothing, the conservative majority in the US Supreme Courts does nothing and Trump, and the Attorney General does nothing, the only ones in the nation to stop Trump will be the military.
That is why military officers and many others in other agencies tale that Constitutional Oath to protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic; that is the foundation of how our government is supposed to operate.
That means if Trump uses his power as President to stop or subvert the election and stay in power, the military has the right to do something if no one else does. They are the last resort.
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I can’t say with any certainty, Lloyd, but I don’t think anyone takes an oath to the President. Everyone’s oath is to the Constitution. The military is not a branch of the government and has no constitutional authority to overthrow it. The military exercises its power directly under the authority of the President although each of the three branches of government has a role.
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The Oath of Enlistment for nonofficers is different, but I think it is also murky enough to be up to interpretation.
What will the troops do if Trump orders the military to do one thing but most or all of the officers issue different orders that defy Trump?
The Oath the officers took doesn’t say anything about obeying the President of the United States if his acts and speak are in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution making him a domestic enemy of the United States.
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
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This oath is bad for our purposes, Lloyd.
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Honoring that oath should only be used by the military as a last resort when all looks hopeless because the three branches of the government are not capable of doing their jobs.
I’d rather have the military step in, remove Trump if he somehow manages to stay in power after he has been voted out or somehow stops the election from taking place, than a civil war to stop Trump from becoming leader-for-life and establishing a Trump dynasty.
If the election is held, Trump loses and moves out of the White House on time, even if he is still claiming he was cheated out of winning, then no need for the military to invoke the oath.
After Trump is gone, he can hold all the hate rallies he wants and tweet up a storm, because he will no longer be president.
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What I meant to say is that the military oath seems to say, they have to obey the President no matter what.
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Only the oath the commissioned officers take. The officers have an oath that does not even include the word “president”.
Of interest is the fact that at the beginning of the Civil War, officers like General Lee, resigned his commission from the Union Army where, I think, he was a colonel like Grant, before Lee took up arms to fight for Virginia against the northern states.
“Lee was briefly in the United States army at the Civil War’s start. After the war started on April 12, 1861, Lee was offered command of the United States army. But Lee resigned his army commission on April 20, and he accepted command of Confederate troops in Virginia.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/10-fascinating-facts-about-robert-e-lee-and-ulysses-s-grant
Some thought Lee should have gone to prison for treason after the Civil War, but Grant made sure that did not happen.
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I really dislike that auto spell checker.
I thought I typed only noncommissioned officers but somehow the non vanished.
“The officer’s oath acts as another safeguard against power corruption by not swearing obedience to the president or other officials, but rather to the Constitution. As a result of these two, our military is capable of having people like Thompson, who can correct situations where the military is being misused without fear of punishment for their actions.”
https://www.quantico.marines.mil/news/news-article-display/article/611510/the-difference-between-oath-of-office-oath-of-enlistment/
Interesting piece worth reading. I only copied one paragraph of a moderate-sized piece.
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cx; living in a military dictatorship. See how much the suggestion alarmed me?
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If the country is falling apart and the military has no choice but to declare martial law to restore peace and order, then I want them to act.
The members of our nation’s military are Americans. Their job, if they meant it when they took that Constitutional Oath, will be to restore the democracy if no one else is doing it.
That means if Trump causes a Civil War in an attempt to grab power and keep it, you and every other rational American better pray the military does its job.
That Oath of Office was part of the original U.S.Constution before there were any Amendments. George Washington took that Oath when he became the 1st president.
Why do you think the Founding Fathers included that Oath as part of the U.S. Constitution?
If ( not when ) the military honors that Oath and steps in to stop Trump and his mob of traitors, once the crises is over and the next election has been held, I think we can trust that the generals will return to their jobs at the Pentagon and the new president will make the decision to end martial law or not depending on what Trump’s deplorable followers are doing.
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What bothers me is this part of the soldiers’ oath: “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me”
Soldiers may get conflicting orders. It’s soldiers who do the actual fighting, not the officers.
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Ahh, lower-ranked officers (below the rank of general) that have combat commands are often if not always in the field with their troops on larger operations (not so much small stuff with a dozen men or less). Platoons all have officers in command as do companies, battalions, divisions, et al. And Generals also have combat commands starting at the brigade or division level.
For instance, when I was serving in the U.S. Marines in Vietnam, I was one of two enlisted troops that accompanied two officers into the field on a recon during a large operation that included several divisions (Marines, South Koreans, and ARVN troops). I was a lance corporal, the other non-officer was a staff sergeant. One officer was a major and the other a captain.
During that recon, we went far beyond our front lines into territory that was still controlled by the VC or NVA. We even drove through one deserted village and saw a radio antenna protruding from a large tree and there was an NVA flag attached to that antenna. The cooking fires were still hot and smoking.
I’m acquainted with a retired Marine Corps retired four-star general that even when he was a general he went out on “dangerous patrols into areas with the troops he commanded because he believed he had to stay in touch with what it was like, and when he was doing that, he was the general commanding all forces in Afghanistan. As a general, he was in a crashed chopper and had his back broken. His broken back healed and he returned to duty. To this day, he lives with chronic pain because of that injury.
The officers you are referring to command support units that were often based far behind the front lines. But that doesn’t mean at one point in their career they did not have a combat command.
And in the U.S. Marines, every Marine is considered a rifleman first no matter what their job is or rank. If needed, every Marine will be on the front line from cooks to office clerks. If you want an example, find out what happened at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir in North Korea during the Korean War when several Chinese divisions surrounded a Marine Corps Division and got their asses kicked by the Marines.
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The money quotes:
“‘journalism requires editing and context… The question, clearly, is whether his status as president of the United States obliges us to broadcast his every briefing live.’ [Ted Koppel’s] answer was ‘no’.”
“Just like in 2016, it’s all theater.”
Journalism vs theater.
There’s no way to stop the theater given 40 yrs of drowning in bathtub: it’s a result of zero govt-supported media, aided & abetted by digital rev/ dog-eat-dog cable competition. Congress could maybe stick their nose in & try to legislate a stop to pres getting re-election campaign coverage on the public dime? But how do we expect Congress to do much of anything in the public interest until we rein in special-interest ownership of their own election campaigns?
For journalism, I recommend one daily dose: PBS Newshour.
Alternatively, if you want your pick of national news, and want to be your own journalist, browse CSPAN. You can select [& fast-forward thro] DJT pressers, & check out daily briefings by a multitude of state govrs & make up your own mind. CSPAN also offers a middle route: the daily 3-hr Wash Jnl show picks clips & topics their journalists select as noteworthy, w/o commentary, incl topics featuring reporters, congressmen & experts [judiciously alternating among liberals & conservatives where pertinent]– & the commentary is all via JQPublic call-ins.
& of course BBC journalism is always a refreshing change.
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“Training a camera on a live event, and just letting it play out, is technology, not journalism; journalism requires editing and context.” He continued, “The question, clearly, is whether his status as president of the United States obliges us to broadcast his every briefing live.” His answer was “no.””
Except people are suckers for reality shows. If Trump gets reelected (or maybe even before), we will have the White House reality show, which will follow Trump 24/7, and hundreds of millions all over the world will watch it. Most will say “Seriously, how stupid can you be to say that…” or “If he was a regular citizen, he’d be put away for life…” But people will watch it, outraged, terrified, and will miss the next National Geographic special on how the secret of Stonehenge got finally solved.
In this ever more free world, it’s much easier to modify the laws to control the president than to control what people watch or gossip about.
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