Mark Green was a young, vigorous, popular progressive who won the Democratic primary for mayor in 2001. New York City is overwhelmingly Democratic, and usually the Democratic nomination is enough to assure election.
But Mark Green faced an unusual Republican opponent, billionaire MIchael Bloomberg. No one knew much about Bloomberg, but he had the endorsement of Republican Mayor Rudy Guiliani, who had turned into a symbol of resilience and heroism after the devastating attack of September 11, 2001.
Green is now supporting Elizabeth Warren.
Mark Green writes here about what happened next in 2001.
Three weeks before the New York mayoral election in November of 2001, I got a call from Mark Mellman, the pollster working on my race against Michael Bloomberg.
“Well, I have good and bad news. The good news is that I’ve never had a client 20 points ahead this late in a campaign who lost. The bad news is that Bloomberg is spending a million dollars a day — not a month but a day — and gaining a point a day.” I quickly did the math and shuddered.
I lost the race by a margin of 50% to 48%, after being outspent $73.9 million to $16.3 million. Ironically, I raised more money than any other U.S. mayoral candidate in history, making 30,000 phone calls and receiving 11,000 contributions. But Mike, who didn’t have to make phone calls, spent the most money ever on a mayoral campaign. He simply wrote checks.
It’s no great surprise that after buying the mayoralty, Bloomberg decided to see if he could do the same with the presidency. There have been other self-funded candidates, of course, and they have all failed. Ross Perot spent $79 million in 1992 and Steve Forbes $60 million in 2000.
But if Mike gets the nomination, his spending already has dwarfed what they spent. He is a bank posing as a person.
I know what that looks like. In the closing weeks of our 2001 race, I had the helpless feeling that there was no strategy that could counter his spending. Everywhere I went I saw or heard a Bloomberg ad: in between innings during the Yankees’ World Series games, on hip-hop stations, on walls in Chinatown, on the rotating billboard at a Knicks game, on mailings that piled up in the lobbies of buildings across the city. He even sent small radios with his name on them….
Bloomberg does have some solid liberal credibility — on climate, guns and public health — but on many core issues his record is a liability. He has called Social Security “a Ponzi Scheme.” He opposed raising the minimum wage. He blamed the 2008 Great Recession, in part, on laws against predatory lending. He denounced Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. He enthusiastically endorsed the Bush-Cheney ticket in 2004, was an apologist for the Russian takeover of Crimea and has a long record of making demeaning comments about women. And, as late as last year, he was still advocating a “stop-and-frisk” approach and defending his record on the practice.
Given Bloomberg’s shaky performance in the Nevada debate, it’s hard to feel confident he can reassure liberal Democrats on those issues.
Based on my knowledge of him from our own two debates, as well as his record as mayor and now presidential candidate, I have three questions about his prospects for 2020:
First, will his ability to carpet-bomb the country with ads be enough to overcome the liabilities of his record in the minds of millions of Democrats? Maybe. That certainly worked in New York City in 2001.
Second, if no candidate wins enough delegates to secure a majority, will Bloomberg have a large enough bloc of convention delegates to influence who the party’s choice of a nominee will be on a second or third ballot? Again, the answer is maybe.
Finally, in the event that Bloomberg secured the nomination, would liberals embrace him if Trump is the alternative? Here, there’s no maybe, even for a Warren supporter like me. After four years of watching Trump try to destroy democracy, the answer is yes.
To my surprise, this almost reads like an endorsement of Bloomberg: he knows how to deploy his money to win elections, so presumably he could beat trump. . And Green would unequivocally support him should he get the nomination.
“And Green would unequivocally support him should he get the nomination.”
Um, not sure what you mean by “Green”, but if you mean the Green Party, no, no they wouldn’t. The only “green” that would support Bloomberg is $$$
Mark Green
Ah, silly me. Thanks.
Dienne
Don’t give Bloomberg any campaign mottos
“Bloomberg is supported by the Greens”
Would not even be false advertising.
Fascinating. Have we come to a place in American politics where only billionaires can afford to be leaders? What does this new feudalism look like? What are our alternatives?
Yes. This is what the New Feudalism looks like.
Welcome to the New Feudal Order and to a return to rule by strongman.
Or, you might call this a revival of Medieval Romance. See my note, below.
When Warren was asked about her bold attack on Bloomberg in the debate, she told a reporter, “I’m just sick of billionaires.” Many people share those feelings including teachers that continue to be on the receiving end of billionaires with weaponized wealth. We know Bloomberg’s carpet bombing will pick him up some supporters, but most informed voters won’t fall for Bloomberg’s attempt to be the “kinder, gentler oligarch.”
The key to winning this election is to bring out new groups of voters in my opinion including young and minority voters in large numbers. I am hoping that the democratic nominee will inspire us to become a better participatory democracy.
Bloomberg’s method worked on the voting population of NY City, who, quite frankly, have a long track record of falling for the Three Card Monte shysters
It might not work on the country at large. At least we can hold it won’t.
Hope
I don’t know why people believe Bloomberg can win in the upper midwest- the Great Lakes states.
Gun regulation is not going to bring Democratic voters out where I live, and either is being pro-choice. If they vote for Democrats at all they vote on economic issues. Gun regulation and abortion are net negatives here. Democrats don’t run on them- they overcome them and focus on economic issues.
They’re really so terrified of the populists – Sanders and Warren- they’re going to back a NYC billionaire who has never won or even competed outside NYC? Am I the only person who watched that debate? Bloomberg was speechless- he choked. He’s way out of his league. Every single other candidate on that stage beat him.
I just think it’s nuts. Donald Trump has them all so scared they’ve stopped thinking.
You are right, Chiara.
The voting population of NY City is NOT the same as that of the country at large.
I agree that will be Bloomberg’s downfall. In the general election if not the primaries.
I mean honestly how arrogant do you have to be to not bother to prepare for your first public appearance on a national stage? The mayor of South Bend beat Mike Bloomberg. Bloomberg didn’t bother to prepare.
It reminds me of Betsy DeVos. Another arrogant, entitled billionaire who thinks she’s so much smarter than anyone else that she appeared at a congressional hearing unable to answer a single question. Luckily for us students pay absolutely no attention to the US Department of Education. She’s a lousy role model. She makes zero effort to learn anything.
On Romance Literature | Bob Shepherd
You are old enough, now, to know the truth about those knights in shining armor with their codes of honor:
A knight was the business end of his boss’s will. He did what people in the spy trade, these days, call the wetwork.
If you were a Medieval strongman, or lord, and needed a village razed and its women violated, knights were your go-to guys. Any louts sufficiently stout would do—just suit them up and turn them out on horseback. It didn’t take a lot of them, in those days, to terrorize a countryside, to effect a rout, to enforce a prerogative, expand a desmense, or check another lord’s ambition.
And, of course, the lord would have some poets on retainer to write it all up. The PR department. A poet’s business was to hold a funhouse mirror up to the gore and transmute it, to place fine phrases in the mouths of butchers and rapists and doughty up their deeds. A lord would supply his enforcers with horses, armor, and weapons. But it was the poet who would dress the lord’s muscle up in the livery of “trouthe” and “honour,” “fredom” and “cortesye” and “gentilesse”—who would wrap the whole murderous undertaking in the fine fable of “chivalrye,” for which services the poet would be “well used,” to borrow Prince Hamlet’s phrase, and provided scraps from the lord’s table. No “great man” in the Middle Ages but had a fine pack of poets.
And that, my dears, is the 411 on Medieval Romance. It’s the same shtick with the samurai and mobsters portrayed, respectively, in Japanese pillow books and in American tabloids and movies.
The strongman, the lord, the Dapper Don is always a con, of course, no more nor less than first among a murder of similarly cowardly, brutish, cognitively challenged, emotionally stunted, psychopathic or sociopathic thugs. Whether it’s Medieval Europe, Japan under the Shogunate, the mob, the gang, or the cartel—it’s the same set of phenomena. Place a strongman in power, and the rest follows.
Hey, you there, poet. Tell them how pretty I am. How valiant. How rich. How true. How skilled in the sacking of cities and maidens.
In short, the whole mystique created by the poet (or the filmmaker or the tabloid journalist) is a con, but with this saving grace: even the most meretricious poet-for-hire will aspire, in secret, to more, and will tell himself or herself that of course the work doesn’t present the world as it is but, rather, as it should be.
And because of this, the fanciful lore of the “stalwart knight and true” (and its analogs in other cultures and times) can inspire ideals in the young, who, given a chance, will in time hoist those bosses by their own poets’ petard. So, that, at least, you can take from those stories—that kernel, that seed, of idealism and hope for a better world.
https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/2019/03/17/on-romance-literature-v2-0/
Here we are again.
How then, do we tell the difference between a dictator and a democrat? “By their fruits you shall know them…”
We knew the rich man Roosevelt had the common man in mind and not himself when he tried to provide for the common good. There were questions. There will always be questions. There will always be disagreements. Ultimately we have to look for the fruit.
Indeed we do. I have this crazy notion that when a person has heart palpitations or tingling in an arm, he or she should be able to go to a doctor, that when he or she has an abscessed tooth, he or she should be able to see a dentist. Not sure who said that on this blog, but it’s the case. This is what Sanders and Warren seek. This is the oh-so-scary thing that Trump and his ilk, added by DINO Democrats, want to label Socialism or Communism. LOL.
And of course that election featured the historic spoiler candidacies of Bernhard Goetz and Kenny Kramer.
You have some real winners running for Mayor, that’s for sure.
Free, mediocre sandwiches was one of Goetz’s main ideas, as reported by the now-defunct New York Press:
“If you want a real progressive cause . . . one of the best ideas that I’ve heard is something similar to what the Romans used to do. The Romans used to say, give people bread and circuses. That wasn’t cynical, as you might think. Today people don’t need circuses. But in terms of bread . . . you could actually give people bread, or you could give them surplus government food, free.”
“What I advocate is a mediocre sandwich,” he continues. “Something with basic nutrition. The reason I advocate a mediocre sandwich is, it would be unfair to compete with all the food businesses out there to provide food of the same tasty level that the delicatessens and restaurants provide. All that animals need — and human beings are animals — to survive are two things . . . You need food and shelter. You don’t even need clothing. People can find that one way or another . . . People should have access to food every day. So if there could be spots in the city, perhaps the government could pay a small fee to the supermarkets so that there could be a refrigerated counter where a sandwich, where surplus food, could be made available for free to the public. Again, it would be mediocre quality, but it would be continuously available and free.”
http://www.nypress.com/news/bernhard-goetz-for-mayor-subway-shooter-as-candidate-FBNP1020010703307039989
Free (Subway?) sandwhiches?
I thought what Goetz was offering was the right to shoot people on the subway.
Not incidentally, Goetz was cleared of the most serious charges by a Manhattan jury of 10 whites and two blacks.
This has direct relevance to Bloomberg’s chances because it indicates the kind of ” tough on petty crime” (Goetz shot the men for demanding — or asking for, depending whom you believe — five dollars) mentality that exists in NY City, primarily among the white population.
Stop and Frisk exemplifies the same racist (and moronic) mentality.
Bloomberg is delusional if he believes this is representative of the country at large.
But no one ever said the mayor’s of NY were NoT legends in their own minds.
I should qualify that and say representative of Democrats in the country at large.
Bloomberg said that Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme?! That’s a regular GOP/libertarian/far right wing talking point and it is an absolute lie. SS’s books and accounts are open to the public, there’s no double accounting, it’s funding is transparent and on the record. There’s no Carlo Ponzi in SS who’s knocking down multi-million dollar salaries and the administrative costs are low. SS holds $2.7 trillion in assets which are NOT worthless IOUs. SS is more than 80 years old and has not missed any payments through wars, recessions and economic downturns. It will never go bankrupt and in spite of the GOP (and some corporate Democrats), it will still be able to pay 78% of benefits if nothing is done. To ensure that it will be able to make full payments beyond 2033 or 2034, just raise or eliminate the SS wage tax cap. I hope I never have to be in a position where I have to vote for Bloomberg over Trump. When SS was being proposed, the usual suspects said that it would lead to communism, totalitarianism and Stalinism. Sound familiar?
Bloomberg’s candidacy is a Three Card Monte scheme.
And Buttigieg is the shill.
Bloomberg’s candidacy is really very much what it appears.
He wants to buy the presidency.
He didn’t want to take the risk of competing in the early primaries and get beaten.
So he enters with a bottomless wallet and buys votes.
Bloomberg vs Trump
The pester of two weevils.
Weevils wobble but they won’t fall down
Mark Green won the primary in 2001, but he was not particularly well-liked. I also don’t recall him being particularly progressive, nor being willing to put his career on the line standing up for unpopular ideas.
While Bloomberg’s money helped defeat what should have been an easy win for a winner of the Democratic primary, there were a lot of disaffected democratic voters who were very angry about some of the fliers the Green campaign put out and how that Democratic primary was run.
Google Fernando Ferrar. While running against a billionaire like Bloomberg was difficult, Mark Green also lost because of what kind of candidate he was. For all his flaws, I think de Blasio has far more courage of his (progressive) convictions than Mark Green. And I think 2001 voters did not think Mark Green was authentic.
Green probably suffered from the same problem HRC suffered from. They both had progressive platforms, but voters were conditioned, for whatever reason, not to really think they were authentic.
Bernie Sanders’ authenticity is helping him withstand a lot of attacks.
Bloomberg would have beaten DeBlasio. DeB would spend $10 million, Bloomberg $150-200 million.
Perhaps, although Bloomberg barely defeated Bill Thompson in his 3rd campaign and 4 years later the voters were even more tired of him.
de Blasio defeated Christine Quinn because voters associated Quinn with Bloomberg so much.
Mark Green was a particularly weak candidate, which helped Bloomberg a lot. He won an ugly primary against Ferrar, and the tactics he used hurt him.
Remember, Mark Green was willing to go along with Rudy Giuliani’s plan to extend his term for 3 months because of 9/11. (Ferrar was not, and neither was the legislature).
I thought that action was typical of Green. I remember him well back then and I did not think he ever stood up for the progressive ideas when they might cost him support. Maybe he would have fought to end stop and frisk when the political risks of crime going up would have been sky high, but I recall he usually hedged all his political bets when they were risky. Thus he was willing to extend the term of Giuliani when Rudy was at the height of popularity and love (after 9/11) and Ferrar was not. And I don’t believe that was because Green was “standing up for what was right.” He thought Giuliani was incredibly popular and that opposing that would hurt him.
That primary he won was incredibly contentious and Bloomberg got a lot of support from Ferrar voters.
I liked Mark Green a lot (I was living in NYC then).
But I don’t think it was because of Mayor Bloomberg’s money that Mark Green lost to de Blasio when he ran in the primary for public advocate in 2009. Green did do some good things, but also acted like a politician when he should not have.
I think he would have been a far better mayor than Bloomberg, but he was outspent 10=1.
Mark Green would have been way, way better than Bloomberg! No question!
Did you see the debate tonight? It was so aggravating to watch Bloomberg crow about his great education record and the wonderful “public charters” in NYC and neither Bernie nor Warren being at all interested in challenging him on that when they had a chance. It was so wonderful when Warren didn’t let Bloomberg’s false claims about his stop and frisk policies and NDA issues go unchallenged in the last debate, and being challenged like that did a lot to undermine Bloomberg’s credibility. Instead of being allowed to spew platitudes, it forced Bloomberg to have to defend the indefensible and he looked bad and dishonest.
I would have loved to see the same thing happen tonight when Bloomberg spouted out about his perfect charters in NYC and watch his credibility and honesty be undermined again by being forced to defend the indefensible.
What I saw in tonight’s debate is what has always happened when the pro-charter folks are allowed to spew their nonsense and never be questioned about the facts that discredit the platitudes they are mouthing.
Many MSNBC pundits have been “freaking out” lately over the prospect of Sanders winning the nomination (and the Presidency, in Chris Matthews case)
But one MSNBC pundit ,–Chris Hayes — honestly says the available information does not suggest Sanders would lose to Trump — or even that he would be worse then other Democratic candidates in such a head to head matchup.
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/panic-over-sanders-unsupported-by-data-79372869895
I actually feel sorry for Hayes because his colleagues (Chris matthews, Chuck Todd and others) have been making a laughing stock of MSNBC with all their overthetop lies about Sanders (comparing his win in Nevada to the Nazi overrun of France, likening Sanders to Fidel Castro and calling Sanders online supporters to “digital (Nazi) Brownshirts”
Well , this is awful. All the other Democratic candidates rightfully go after Bloomberg because he is, well, not a Democrat or a democrat. And his nomination would cement all the worst stereotypes about Democrats representing coastal elites. The Centrist go after Bernie because his progressive idea about the necessity of a political revolution for real change is a threat to entrenched power. Some may be more worried that he can win than that he can’t. They all feel compelled to go after one another and the media encourages it. It’s like cheering fights at a hockey game.. against the rules, but people can’t look away. And the winner is… Trump.
Bloomberg needs to be criticized now for what he is because if he gets the nomination, it’s too late.
Trump will not benefit from any Democratic criticisms of Bloomberg now because Trump is susceptible to the very same criticisms and certainly won’t use the fact that Bloomberg is a billionaire or liar against Bloomberg if he wins the Democratic nomination.
On the other hand Trump will definitely use the attacks by Chris Matthews and other “liberal” media pundits ( on MSNBC , CNN and elsewhere) to go after Sanders.