Bethlehem School Superintendent Joseph Roy spoke candidly about charters and race and expected he had struck a hornets’ nest.
He said in a public forum, not for the first time, “that some parents send their kids to charters so they won’t have to go to school with “kids coming from poverty or kids with skin that doesn’t look like theirs.”
Roy is among many superintendents, including Allentown’s Thomas Parker, who are calling for state officials to overhaul the charter school system because of the cost to school districts, which pay tuition for students who enroll in charters.
The Bethlehem Area School District expects to spend more than $30 million this year. Allentown spends about twice as much. Statewide, districts sent $1.8 billion to charters in 2018.
I met with Roy to discuss charter school funding, public accountability and other topics that I may write more about later. He also opened up about the controversy.
It started with his comments at the news conference about why students attend charters. He offered several reasons, including bus transportation, longer school days, specific academic programs and uniform requirements. He also mentioned race.
“The honest fact is, not all, but some parents send their kids from urban districts to charters to avoid having their kids be with kids coming from poverty or kids with skin that doesn’t look like theirs,” Roy said.
Five days later, Saucon Valley School Board President Shamim Pakzad, who enrolls one of his sons in a charter school, called for Roy to resign, though he didn’t mention him by name.
“What they said was ugly, divisive and outside of the boundaries of human decency,” Pakzad said at a school board meeting.
Roy also got backlash from the Pennsylvania Coalition of Public Charter Schools. Parents from several charters demanded an apology.
Others defended Roy, including Bethlehem’s school board and Bethlehem NAACP President Esther Lee. He said he received emails of support from district parents.
I asked Roy why he believes some people don’t want to talk about issues involving race.
“No one wants to be called or viewed as a racist,” he said. “That’s one of the worst things you can say. But then that is used as a defense mechanism to shut down any honest conversation about it.”
Charter schools have varying levels of diversity. Some are made up primarily of minority students, while others are overwhelmingly white. Income levels vary, too.
I was reminded of the time I spoke to the Florida School Boards Association a few years ago. I asked its executive director why students left public schools to attend charter schools. He bluntly said, “They don’t want to go to schools with kids who don’t look like them.”
School choice encourages segregation by race, social class, income, and religion. It takes determination and willpower to overcome segregation.
I just don’t think they’ve given any thought at all to what a wholly privatized system will look like. There’s no contemplation of any possible downside at all and to me that’s just incredibly reckless and almost delusional.
I look at some of the small rural systems in Ohio and the ed reform “choice” mandate will eradicate them. They won’t survive. It is entirely possible that people in a given area could have a “choice” between a religious school and no school at all, depending on the concentration of a religion in a geographical area.
I think ed reform treats the whole country as if it’s a huge urban area and it just isn’t. Their whole theory depends on big numbers. We have public high schools here with 25 students in a graduating class. “Choice” means no more public school. Then what happens? That will then determine who lives there.
My fear is they get so far down the privatization road without any real analysis and only after the public systems are blown up do we start to see the downside risks. It will then be presented as a “done deal” and just the new reality.
They don’t have a shred of evidence to show that their privatized systems will be either more equitable or higher quality- it’s all ideological belief. There have already been several countries where this has been a disaster- the school systems are worse after privatization, not better, but that’s ignored.
They take public systems for granted. There’s a working assumption that the “safety net” public systems will always be there to back up the experiments. Arne Duncan used to confidently announce that “10%” of schools would be privatized. They’re just inventing numbers. Not one of them can predict any of this reliably.
I believe there is a tremendous downside to not offering public education. These splinter entities will produce worse, not better results than most public schools. Our society would become more fragmented and less cohesive. I also think there would be economic, social and political consequences that would undermine a better collective future for most people.
Race is certainly a key issue for charter schools. So-called choice puts charter schools in the driver’s seat. Charters offer a tiered system of students with perceived varying abilities and socioeconomic levels. Study after study has indicated that charter schools are more segregated than public schools. People should talk about it as it is a fact in privatization, not a myth. As I have said before, I find it shocking that public funds are being used to promote segregation. If want to heal the divide in our country, we should invest in strong, inclusive public education, not privatization.
cx: If we want to heal the divide
It’s not race-based, but if you read DeVos’ sales pitch for private school vouchers is it a blatant appeal to parents who don’t want their children around the children who attend public schools. She describes this litany of horrors in public schools- violent students, bullying students, low performing students- they are who we all must get away from.
This isn’t an accident. She’s been a political operative her entire adult life. It’s a clear message that if one wants their child to be successful one needs to withdraw that child from public schools.
It’s nuts of course- unless you believe there are no bullies or lower performing or poorly behaved children in charter or private schools. Maybe she does believe that.
She regularly points to problems with teachers in public schools- sex offenses against children, etc and of course those teachers exist, that does happen in public schools, but what’s the working theory in ed reform? That never happens in charter and private schools? Really? Then how to explain the huge international scandals regarding child abuse in religious schools? Is that the fault of labor unions too?
It just has no relation to reality.
Since she has seldom entered a public school, how is she qualified to speak about them?
Ed reformers can only compile the incidents of teachers abusing children in public schools because public school districts and labor unions collect that information.
How many teachers have been discharged from charter chains for these or other offenses? Do they know? How would one find out?
Comparing “information” to “no information” will always benefit the schools that don’t report or have no collective reporting mechanism. “1” is more than “zero”. Always.
KIPP is essentially a giant national school district. Do they collect information on the whole chain so that can be compared to a district? If not, how is that a fair or reasonable comparison?
“KIPP is essentially a giant national school district. Do they collect information on the whole chain so that can be compared to a district? If not, how is that a fair or reasonable comparison?”
A clue from St. Louis: not a whole lot of expertise about education….plenty about money, not much about kids…..EMERITUS KIPP ST. LOUIS BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Carolyn Kindle Betz
Carolyn is President of the Enterprise Holdings Foundation, the charitable arm of Enterprise Holdings Inc. Funded by contributions from the company’s operations, the Foundation provides financial assistance to…
Maxine Clark, Past KIPP St. Louis Board Chair
Maxine has decades of experience influencing and shaping the retail industry. In 1997, she founded Build-A-Bear Workshop®, a teddy-bear themed retail-entertainment experience.
Don Danforth
Don co-founded City Academy and assumed the role of President when the school opened in 1999. Previously, beginning in 1993, Don was the Education Director for the Mathews-Dickey Boys’ and Girls’ Club. Prior to that he spent three years at Ralston Purina Company.
Gabe Gore, Past KPP St. Louis Board Chair
Gabe is a partner at Dowd Bennet LLP. He practices in the areas of complex civil litigation and white-collar defense. He has represented and counseled clients in…
John Kemper, Past KPP St. Louis Board Chair
John is President and Chief Executive Officer of Commerce Bancshares, Inc., and Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Commerce Bank. Kemper joined Commerce in 2007 and…
Flora Tersigni
Flora, who emigrated from Italy as a child, is the owner of Royalty Importers, a family-owned business that that represents foreign small family owned businesses interested in…
Rob Wasserman
Rob is Senior Vice President at U.S. Bancorp Community Development Corporation. Rob focuses his work on making investments into low-income communities. Prior to his…
Greg Wendt, Past KIPP St. Louis Board Chair
Greg is an equity portfolio manager at Capital Group. He has 30 years of investment experience, all with Capital Group. He holds an MBA from Harvard Business School and a…
Keith Williamson
Keith is a corporate attorney and business executive. He currently serves as Executive Vice President, Secretary and General Counsel of Centene Corporation, a leading multi-line healthcare enterprise that…
“The parents are the heroes in all of this. We stood shoulder to shoulder to fight for our children.” –
@VirginiaWalden
on the community effort that led to the passage of the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program.”
The US Department of Education doesn’t invite any public school parents for whole days spent promoting public schools. Just charter and private school parents.
In fact, ever single speech they deliver bashes public schools and public school students and compares them unfavorably to charter and private schools.
Shouldn’t public school students have someone to speak on their behalf too? Why not? Seems fair.
YES — that important distinction: too often the word “parents” gets lumped up together as if there is no philosophical difference between those who support local public schools and those who seek public funding for private schools.
Imagine if ed reformers funded and made a movie about parents and students who attend and support their local public school.
You can’t imagine it because it would never, ever happen.
And that’s all you need to know about their claims of being “agnostic”. It’s not true. If it were true the “movement” would occasionally mention a public school or public school student in some other context than “failing” – they can let me know when they make that movie. I won’t hold my breath.
He only said half of the truth.
What he did say should have included the fact that millions of parents that also blindly support Donald Trump are creationists that not want their children exposed to anything but the fundamentalist, evangelical theory that alleges all life started 6,000 years ago when man lived peacefully alongside dinosaurs.
To this ignorant, brain-hacked mob, evolution is a lie just like they think global warming is a hoax.
Why don’t they all just Trust in God to protect them, move to Florida, buy one-story houses close to the Atlantic, and home teach their children?
They believe God helps those who help themselves.
Like the person butting into the front of the line at the buffet and heaping their plate so full of food that there is nothing left for anyone else.
God helps those who help themselves. Yes indeed.
Anyone that believes and/or says “God helps those who help themselves” reveals their ignorance of the Bible, and I think that would be most if not all of Trump’s brain-hacked evangelical supporters.
The phrase “God helps those who help themselves” is a motto that emphasizes the importance of self-initiative and agency. The expression is still famous around the globe and used to inspire people for self-help. The phrase originated in ancient Greece and may originally have been proverbial. It is illustrated by two of Aesop’s Fables and a similar sentiment is found in ancient Greek drama. Although it has been commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, the modern English wording appears earlier in Algernon Sidney’s work.
The phrase is often mistaken as a scriptural quote, though it is not stated verbatim in the Bible.
“The phrase is often mistaken as a scriptural quote, though it is not stated verbatim in the Bible.”
I think one might be hard pressed to even find it implied.
Statistics about the two largest religious groups in the U.S., which combined are 40% of the population. 80% of evangelicals voted for Trump. Almost 60% of white Catholics voted for Trump.
66% of Americans want separation of church and state.
Are there any elected politicians (other than AOC) that actually listens to the majority of the people (not counting the wealthiest 10 percent)?
Every voucher referendum has been defeated. By large margins. The public opposes vouchers.
The newly appointed bishop of Philadelphia was formerly the bishop in Cleveland, Ohio. The controversial bill expanding vouchers in Ohio was introduced by a Catholic state legislator (ALEC) . The President of Ohio’s Senate is Catholic and Gov. Dewine, a Catholic with 8 kids, signed his oath of office on 9 Bibles.
While in Cleveland, Philadelphia’s new bishop,”launched an initiative to develop a strategic plan for strengthening Catholic education in the diocese…began a think tank to recommend ways to ensure youth are fully involved in the life of the local church.”
IMO, Ohio taxpayers are footing the bill for a change they don’t want that replaces civic engagement in a local democracy with tribalism.
Two communities in Cleveland are described as having neighborhood schools in severe decline, with 17% of students using vouchers and 20% in charter schools.
The Koch network gets the K-12 it wants via the USCCB and hedge funds in the ed sector. The Pennsylvania Catholic Conference states at its site, “Victory for school choice advocates!”
Those who perceive Catholic schools as those of the past should read about the Catholic school chain, Cristo Rey.