This editorial appeared on April 19 in the New York Times.
It leaves no doubt that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump, the most unqualified president in our nation’s history.
It begins like this:
The report of the special counsel Robert Mueller leaves considerable space for partisan warfare over the role of President Trump and his political campaign in Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. But one conclusion is categorical: “The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.”
That may sound like old news. The Justice Department’s indictment of 13 Russians and three companies in February 2018 laid bare much of the sophisticated Russian campaign to blacken the American democratic process and support the Trump campaign, including the theft of American identities and creation of phony political organizations to fan division on immigration, religion or race. The extensive hacks of Hillary Clinton’s campaign emails and a host of other dirty tricks have likewise been exhaustively chronicled.
But Russia’s interference in the campaign was the core issue that Mr. Mueller was appointed to investigate, and if he stopped short of accusing the Trump campaign of overtly cooperating with the Russians — the report mercifully rejects speaking of “collusion,” a term that has no meaning in American law — he was unequivocal on Russia’s culpability: “First, the Office determined that Russia’s two principal interference operations in the 2016 U.S. presidential election — the social media campaign and the hacking-and-dumping operations — violated U.S. criminal law.”
The first part of the report, which describes these crimes, is worthy of a close read. Despite a thick patchwork of redactions, it details serious and dangerous actions against the United States that Mr. Trump, for all his endless tweeting and grousing about the special counsel’s investigation, has never overtly confronted, acknowledged, condemned or comprehended. Culpable or not, he must be made to understand that a foreign power that interferes in American elections is, in fact, trying to distort American foreign policy and national security.
The earliest interference described in the report was a social media campaign intended to fan social rifts in the United States, carried out by an outfit funded by an oligarch known as “Putin’s chef” for the feasts he catered. Called the Internet Research Agency, the unit actually sent agents to the United States to gather information at one point. What the unit called “information warfare” evolved by 2016 into an operation targeted at favoring Mr. Trump and disparaging Mrs. Clinton. This included posing as American people or grass-roots organizations such as the Tea Party, anti-immigration groups, Black Lives Matter and others to buy political ads or organize political rallies.
At the same time, the report said, the cyberwarfare arm of the Russian army’s intelligence service opened another front, hacking the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee and releasing reams of damaging materials through the front groups DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0, and later through WikiLeaks. The releases were carefully timed for impact — emails stolen from the Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, for example, were released less than an hour after the “Access Hollywood” tape damaging to Mr. Trump came out.
All this activity, the report said, was accompanied by the well documented efforts to contact the Trump campaign through business connections, offers of assistance to the campaign, invitations for Mr. Trump to meet Mr. Putin and plans for improved American-Russian relations. Both sides saw potential gains, the report said — Russia in a Trump presidency, the campaign from the stolen information. The Times documented 140 contacts between Mr. Trump and his associates and Russian nationals and WikiLeaks or their intermediaries. But the Mueller investigation “did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities….”
The real danger that the Mueller report reveals is not of a president who knowingly or unknowingly let a hostile power do dirty tricks on his behalf, but of a president who refuses to see that he has been used to damage American democracy and national security.
To minimize this danger is to ignore that Russia has the tools to choose our president, in 2016 and in the next election.

Excellent editorial. Now I’d like to see Maggie Haberman fired to show they’ve learned their lesson for enabling this catastrophe.
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I’m not sure that phishing can accurately be called “theft”. If you don’t want your personal information to be exploited, perhaps you shouldn’t voluntarily give out your passwords. This far into the 21st Century, everyone knows about phishing and how to avoid it. If the DNC did not, that’s on them. Most of us would get fired for getting caught in a scam like that.
As for the “hack”, that’s hardly settled science. It’s more of the “trust us” variety we saw in the WMD debacle. The FBI never examined the DNC servers. No evidence has ever been presented tracing this alleged hack, which the NSA would surely be able to do. It’s far more likely that it was a leak by a disgruntled DNC employee (or two or more).
In any case, whatever the provenance of the emails, you cannot deny that the content of the emails was genuine and damaging. If Bob is “happily” married to Jane, and Jane receives hacked emails showing that Bob is having an affair, with whom should Jane be upset? The person who hacked the emails? I think not.
As for this, “creation of phony political organizations to fan division on immigration, religion or race”, that’s what we used to call freedom of speech. I am pretty sure there’s something about it in the Constitution, and it doesn’t say that it only applies to Americans. If our democracy can’t stand up to free speech, then what exactly is our democracy anyway?
in any case, the issue was from the beginning whether or not Trump colluded with the Russian government in any of this. The Mueller report answer to that question was a categorical NO. No evidence was found of collusion. No indictments were made or recommended of any Americans. The only indictments made will never come to trial (in fact, the one entity indicted has been trying to bring it to trial in order to force the evidence and has been stymied).
Face it folks, if you’re looking for the answer to the question, “How the hell did Hillary lose to an orange baboon (many apologies to baboons)?” the answer requires a mirror, not an investigation. Trying to blame dissent on Russians when so many people are un-, under- or insecurely employed, food insecure, facing housing difficulty if not homelessness, lacking healthcare, trying to educate their kids in a landscape of privatization, suffering ill effects of pollution and other environmental disasters, etc. is simply ludicrous. If you don’t want Trump for another four years, let’s look at solutions to those problems rather than blaming Russia. Even Masha Gessen says that Americans, not Russians, elected Trump. It’s time to end the distraction that was RussiaGate and move forward to nominating an actual progressive who has a chance against Trump in 2020. I can assure you that neither Hillary nor any of her clones have that chance.
Ekaterina says privyet.
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Article: “the report mercifully rejects speaking of “collusion,” a term that has no meaning in American law”
dienne77: “the issue was from the beginning whether or not Trump colluded with the Russian government in any of this”
Article: “First, the Office determined that Russia’s two principal interference operations in the 2016 U.S. presidential election — the social media campaign and the hacking-and-dumping operations — violated U.S. criminal law.”
dienne77: “It’s far more likely that it was a leak by a disgruntled DNC employee (or two or more).”
In conclusion, the “Trump is the real victim here” posters like dienne77 claim that everything that Mueller documents in the report is a complete falsehood except for Mueller’s complete exoneration of Trump, which is the only thing in the Mueller report they accept as the gospel truth.
dienne77, Is Trump corrupt? You won’t use that word or any word except “orange haired” or “baboon” to describe him. Baboons aren’t corrupt.
Why can’t you acknowledge that Trump is corrupt? The Mueller report documents incident after incident of corruption and yet you keep insisting that Trump is completely exonerated.
Is Trump corrupt? You don’t have to believe that Trump conspired with Russia to believe Trump is corrupt.
Is Trump corrupt? If you can’t say it, you don’t believe it, which tells all of us exactly what your only agenda is.
Can you say it? I know you have no problem calling the DNC corrupt and calling Adam Schiff corrupt and calling HRC corrupt. So why are you so unwilling to call Trump corrupt?
Because you believe that Mueller report proved Trump is not corrupt when it did just the opposite?
I absolutely respect your right to believe that Trump did not conspire with the Russians. But that doesn’t mean Trump isn’t corrupt. Do YOU believe Trump is corrupt or not?
I will assume your non-answer means that you believe he is not corrupt.
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Dienne77,
Yes, phishing is categorically “theft.” Perpetrators manipulate the platform to deceive people–hook, line, sinker. That’s why so many people in old generation get tricked. It’s a worldwide phenomenon!
Regrading your key point, which you echo the points Glenn Greenwald makes repetitively, I agree. He has been calling out democrats and left for churning out fallacious, unproven ‘Russian-conspiracy’ in the absence of clear evidence and their attempt to trash down/threaten any critics for doing so. He saw it problematic because that’s exactly the same what Republicans and right-wing media did in the Iraq War and Afghanistan.
But he never defends Trump and WH for his overall behavior. He called Trump most unfit, corrupt politician, and a real threat to democracy.
I wouldn’t say you are secretly supporting Trump, but the way you bring up Clinton every time we see the posts related to Trump or his WH indicates that you are assuming that many people here(I believe they are teachers and educators) are still brooding over Russia and Hillary Clinton.
That’s simply outrageous and irresponsible.
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“you echo the points Glenn Greenwald makes repetitively, I agree. He has been calling out democrats and left for churning out fallacious, unproven ‘Russian-conspiracy’ in the absence of clear evidence and their attempt to trash down/threaten any critics for doing so. He saw it problematic because that’s exactly the same what Republicans and right-wing media did in the Iraq War and Afghanistan.”
Did Glenn call out the people claiming to be on the left (many of whom were right wing trolls) churning out “fallacious, unproven” DNC-conspiracy in the absence of clear evidence and those HRC haters and Trump enablers on the left who would trash down anyone who pointed out that there was no evidence of this deep vast conspiracy to prevent voters in democratic primaries to vote for Bernie?
Or does Glenn allow those conspiracy attacks on Democrats by his rabid Trump-enabling followers?
I find it ironic that those people have yet to apologize for the great damage that man they claimed was no worse than the evil, corrupt democrats has wrought.
And Ken, that’s why they are so determined that Trump must be innocent and the victim here. Deep down they know how much they helped that propaganda effort and helped convince enough voters not to show up and let Trump win.
They helped convince voters not to show up for Russ Feingold who should have won but he got fewer votes than HRC with all their help to convince voters how corrupt the DNC is.
They have no problems spouting ugly attacks on Democrats or the DNC without one bit of evidence.
But they will defend Trump beyond all reason. The way to have a progressive country is not to listen to people who enable the far right by promoting their lies about the “corrupt” Democrats.
The way to have a progressive country is to have an honest discussion of ideas and to shut down those who purvey propaganda.
And there is copious evidence of the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia. To say that unless it meets the legal definition of “conspiracy” that all the obstruction of justice that Trump and the Republicans did to cover it up is perfectly fine is pure right wing propaganda. And people who spout pure right wing propaganda will never vote for the Dems and they should be marginalized and ignored. They have no interest in facts.
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Dienne, face it. Trump was elected by a deadly combination of James Comey—reopening an FBI investigation into her emails 10 days before the election, then deciding there was nothing there—and Putin’s social media campaign on Trump’s behalf.
No fancy explanations needed.
Occam’s Razor will suffice.
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I agree that Dems have a better chance of winning in 2020 by addressing the underlying social ills that got Trump elected in the first place. Even if one buys that Russian disinformation pushed the needle in his direction, harping on it avoids examination of why the election was so close.
But I think the jury is still out here: “creation of phony political organizations to fan division on immigration, religion or race”, that’s what we used to call freedom of speech.” Lawsuits by Russian troll orgs on this point have been stymied for the moment by a technicality in the current sanctions which prevents them from hiring lawyers.
If I were a Russian troll, I’d rather argue it on federal elections laws. At this point in our fabled history, it is still perfectly legal– for now– for dark$ orgs to pool resources and call themselves e.g. “Mom and Apple Pie” in electioneering laws. Pretty much exactly what the social media trolls did.
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1st sentence of last para, meant to say, election ads
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I want Dems to address the underlying social ills in 2020, too, but that is what they did in 2016. The platform the dems ran on was one of the most progressive platforms I have seen since I first voted. HRC offered comprehensive policy ideas much as Elizabeth Warren is offering comprehensive policy ideas instead of platitudes like “Make America Great Again.”
The voters went for the platitude.
The reason why Dems keep losing is not because they aren’t offering policies the voters like. The reason Dems keep losing is because they are getting smeared as corrupt by propaganda efforts on the far right and helped by propaganda efforts from some very dishonest and untrustworthy Trump-defenders from the left who believe their sole job is to smear all Democrats and defend Trump from those evil Dems who are out to get him.
And every time disaffected Dems who decide the winning primary candidate just isn’t good enough join into the right wing chorus and repeat the ugly right wing talking points, the Dems lose.
Dukakis lost because of ugly mischaracterizations about who he was. The media did a huge reckoning at that point and realized how much they got played to mischaracterize this perfectly good man and when Clinton ran in 1992, they did not play. The right wing tried character attack after character attack but the media wouldn’t play along. At least until AFTER Clinton won, when the media like the NY Times joined into the “Whitewater” scandal which had an investigation led by a Republican that completely exonerated Clinton but the Republicans would not accept it. Then they got a right wing Republican to replace the mainstream Republican and spent far more years investigating Clinton. And unlike Trump, Clinton was investigated by a member of the opposition party whose sole goal was to “get” him on something. Trump had a member of his own party who bent over backward to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Then Gore got smeared. Kerry got smeared. Both of them were smeared not just by the far right, but in the so-called “liberal” media who wrote story after story after story about how untrustworthy and dishonest they were. And then came Obama, and the media wouldn’t play along, just like they wouldn’t play along with Clinton. No smearing articles in the NY Times documenting how corrupt and dishonest Obama was when he lied and denied being an acolyte of terrorist-loving traitors just like the right wing said. No smearing articles about how he exaggerated his background to get into college. Not in the mainstream press. Those attacks were confined to the far right.
But not when HRC ran. It was a replay of Dukakis, a replay of Gore, a replay of Kerry. Smear them and use lots of quotes from so-called progressives and Democrats about how untrustworthy they were.
The bottom line is not what policies the Dems are offering. The bottom line is whether people who deep down would rather see Trump elected than a Democrat that they hate will help the right wing propaganda efforts. I already hear them doing so with their blatant lies trying to smear Adam Schiff and all the Democrats for daring to think it was a good idea to investigate the guy they kept insisting is no worse than any corrupt Democrat.
Remember, those on here who attack us for daring to think the Mueller report evidence is well-researched and disturbing are the very same ones who insisted Trump was no worse than a Democrat during all of the 2016 campaign. And they are sticking with that. The only people that those Trump-enabling critics of Diane Ravitch and many of us will ever call “corrupt” is a Democrat.
Read their posts carefully. They will NEVER say Trump is corrupt. They will never say the entire Republican party is totally corrupt. They reserve the word corrupt for Democrats. That should tell you that their claim that they aren’t right wing trolls is suspect. Who else but a right wing troll would insist that only Dems are corrupt and Trump is not?
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Being a successful presidential candidate isn’t just about proposing good policy, it’s about selling it– & even about the probability of making it happen once in office.
Hillary had the misfortune of following in the footsteps of a good, progressive-sounding salesman who ended up slapped in the face w/a potential Great Depression that he had to focus on converting to slow recovery from a Great Recession. That was a terrific achievement; so was turning the tide of healthcare. Progressives were unhappy that single-payer couldn’t be pulled out of a hat, & that financial recovery was bought w/concessions instead of outright sanctions on banks/ corporations– impractical, unrealistic expectations that downplayed what were unalloyed successes given political realities. & those successes were overshadowed by the Congressional gridlock that followed election of TeaPartiers.
But the biggest problem was that John Q Public was just looking at the bottom line—ignoring 35 yrs of profligate mostly-Republican policies that got us there– & saying, nope, I’m still in trouble economically despite 8 yrs of Dems in office. Hillary was not a good salesman, & was dragging baggage from a neoliberal husband who helped perpetrate the logey economy via NAFTA. So JQP fell for a shyster promising (like Monty Python), “and now, for something completely different.
I think it is just silly to blame the media.
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bethree5: “I think it is just silly to blame the media.”
I completely disagree. The media gave Trump the same type of coverage that he is getting now…which is non-stop coverage. He received billions of free advertisement and the media made a stupid game out of it.
Instead of focusing on what specifics each candidate offered, which would have been profitable for Hillary, they went for what would make money for them.
At a Morgan Stanley investors’ conference in San Francisco today, the chief executive officer of CBS, Les Moonves, found the silver lining of this year’s tumultuous election season as only a businessperson can. The latest chairman of the company said, “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” and called Donald Trump‘s presence in the race a “good thing.”
The “good thing,” he pointed out, was not necessarily Trump’s campaign stance, but the ad revenue that was driven up by the increased viewership drawn in by the back-and-forth between Trump and other candidates. He has said similar things about Trump and the election season in the past.
He observed, “They’re not discussing issues, they’re throwing bombs at each other.”
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Just responding to the narrow point of “phishing.” “Theft” and “stealing” are alternatively terms of art or colloquialisms. But phishing is outright fraud and we shouldn’t minimize how serious it is, even if we working stiffs can have a chuckle about how naive supposed sophisticates like Podesta may have acted.
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naively.
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BTW, Ukraine today elected a comedian with no political experience in a landslide. Apparently Ukrainians too are tired of war and financial oppression. Well, either than or da Russkies hacked them too.
The mass frustration with ruling neoliberal elites is growing and is going to have to be reckoned with sooner or later. “Da Russkies did it” isn’t going to stem the tide. If you don’t want dangerous faux populists like Trump, then you’re going to have to find a way to get genuine populists like Bernie into power. The DNC is a hindrance to that process, so it would really help to stop listening to DNC propaganda.
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The “ruling elites” are right wing Republicans who want to cut the minimum wage, social security, medicare, and say that regulations that provide for worker safety should be left up to the market.
You keep saying that the elites are really popular and that’s why so many people adore Trump and vote for the right wing Republicans in Congress and then you say they aren’t. I can’t really follow your logic since you keep saying that voters will reject Democrats so they can vote for the “elite” people who are cutting their social security and medicare and worker safety regulations and are fighting to further pollute their water and air and land.
I think you are projecting your own beliefs onto others. You would rather have Trump and the ruling elites in power than the Democrats. You said it all during 2016 and your rabid defense of the corrupt Trump and the entirely corrupt Republican Party demonstrates.
You can’t say the word corrupt to describe Trump. That speaks volumes. I don’t believe that you understand how much you reveal about your own values when you insist that people like you see the Democrats as “elites” and “corrupt” but embrace the Republicans as just genuine, honest folks who may have some orange hair but are never ever corrupt or elite.
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I would rather elect a comedian than a Russian-North Korean stooge like Trump.
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Why does Trump refuse to have a US interpreter present when he talks with Putin? Surely, this is NOT something that the American public thinks is good for the future of this country.
Why did Trump support Putin over our own intelligence agencies when he was in Finland?
Mr. Trump even questioned the determinations by his intelligence officials that Russia had meddled in the election.
“They said they think it’s Russia,” Mr. Trump said. “I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia,” the president continued, only moments after Mr. Putin conceded that he had wanted Mr. Trump to win the election because of his promises of warmer relations with Moscow.
“I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be” Russia that was responsible for the election hacking, Mr. Trump added. “President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”
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DONALD Trump reportedly swiped the notes from his interpreter after meeting with Vladimir Putin – in order to hide details of their conversation from his own officials.
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By the by: Putin does speak very good English.
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This election was interfered with by a foreign nation. We need justice. We can’t ignore this crime and hope another election will be normal-it won’t be.
If Hillary won, we need justice.
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Trump is compromised. He is ‘The’ Russian puppet. I highly recommend you read the Mueller Report Volume I – carefully. Volume II is the Obstruction which Trump is guilty of.
Mueller left the punishment up to Congress (Not Barr). If Mueller could not indict a sitting president, it would be a waste to declare criminality. Mueller laid it all out for impeachment.
Our Congress better do their job.
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One question left open is border security. Many Amesricans were very anxious about Muslim immigration into the states. There was deep mistrust of the DNC’s relationship with middle eastern governments. Obama and Clinton were portrayed as Muslim operatives.There was a lot of information discemminated, that spoke of Muslim violence particularly against women, Christians and Jews. Was this a part of the Russian mis-information that was pushed out? Or is this a real continuing threat? Economics and education are only portions of the electoral equation. Border security continues to be a hot issue in our politics. The fact remains that this issue bothers many Americans whether it is a danger or not.
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Firstgrademonkey: “There was a lot of information discemminated, that spoke of Muslim violence particularly against women, Christians and Jews.”
I cannot answer whether or not this misrepresentation of Muslims was due to Russian interference but I do know what true believers in the Islamic religion are like. I have two Muslim friends who helped me when I was living in Malaysia. One is now a medical doctor and one is working in financial investments. Both are extremely good people who worked to help me when I was down with a rare illness.
One lady worked her alternative abilities and saw me each week. One other lady helped me get the needed groceries and anything else that was required for my stay. I did not have a car and depended heavily upon these two very religious women.
I know that the one prayed diligently five times a day. I’ve been with her when she left me briefly to go pray in prayer rooms.
They exemplify the true meaning of the Islamic religion. Every religions has its extremists and certainly Christianity in its zest to expand the words of Jesus have killed and exterminated a number of cultures.
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By threatening to close the border, Trump caused a rush to the border. The numbers have risen dramatically in response to his threats.
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45’s plan of deterrence backfired.
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Firstgrademonkey,
Jews were the one white ethnic group that voted heavily Democratic. So what you seem to be doing is smearing white Christians and saying that the vast majority of white Christians were attracted to Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric while the vast majority of Jews knew that it was simply lies.
Are you saying that Trump voters believe lies and Democrats weren’t fooled by lies?
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I don’t understand why you’re trying to turn “border security” into a Christian vs Muslim issue ( let alone Muslims as perpetrators of anti-Christian/ Jew atrocities?!) The middle-eastern bit was just Trump’s first sally at it– an attempt to re-inflate 9/11 sentiment– & he was swiftly slapped down by the courts. He plays it like a chess piece, periodically attempting to inflate anti-Mexican/ CA/ SA-immigration concern w/the suggestion that “anybody” [middle-eastern terrorists] could sneak onto those northward-bound caravans. But he hasn’t gotten much traction there, so he’s pretty much whole-hog now on the anti-hispanic diatribes [drugs, gangs, human-traffickers &– most importantly– job-stealers]. So why are you so into it?
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This is the Trump-Republican mob kleptocracy hoarding their money before heading for the hills, doomed by inevitable demographic change. Their total amorality is actively corroding the presidency and the overwhelming litany of corruption cataloged in the Mueller report shows how feckless and mendacious the Trump Party has become. They are aiding Putin in undermining democracy here and around the world.
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“doomed by inevitable demographic change” — while I agree that is the motivator, we’ve got a couple generations to go before that takes hold & affects politics. Maybe best to dump the jaded attitude, get active, & resist Trump.
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Patricia Arquette posted a tweet a couple of days ago that I think sums this up best:
Take away for the day—You can get impeached for lying about a blowjob but not for meeting with foreign spies multiple times who are actively working to overthrow our free elections—got it!
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Friday afternoon I texted my Rep. After breaking his chops at 5 or 6 Town Halls and excoriating his right-wing opponent at another event, we have an interesting relationship.
Me: “This ain’t about a blow job”
Rep: “You got the right number? ”
Me: “Yup; you are my human resource manager aren’t you?
If you don’t do your job, I may have to fire you in Nov 2020.
But I may not have the opportunity to fire him.”
Ten seconds later the phone rang.
The discussion ranged from the fact that the Republicans paid almost no price for impeachment over essentially lying about sexual behavior. They maintained the House, lost only two seats. Barely hung on to the Senate and we got Bush. In spite of a 3.9% unemployment rate a worker participation rate 2% higher than today and a roaring Stock Market.
To what the hell are Democratic Reps. going to run on in 2020 as absolutely no substantive Democratic piece of legislation can pass the Senate. No Healthcare no voting rights no Gun Control no infrastructure that didn’t privatize public goods.
It ended with Republicans under the same circumstances would have made so much noise had Clinton been President, that even if there was a Democratic majority, Clinton would have been impeached and removed a year ago.
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Well, yes, the House impeached Clinton because he lied about consensual sexual. Totally inappropriate but pales in comparison to the daily lies and offenses of 45. The Houseshoyld impeach him for lies and crimes against the Constitution to which he swore an oath. Let the Senate do what it wants. Lettne Republicans defend his execrable behavior and his daily lies. He is a Swamp.
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dianeravitch
Let them defend it in every Senate and House race. Agreed and let the Democrats learn how to use language.
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Joel, it sounds like you have the same kind of relationship with your Rep. that I do with my local school board and administration!
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Perfect, Greg.
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All the credit goes to Arquette, I’m just relaying the message. Yes, it is perfect.
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The editorial’s claim at the beginning of paragraph three that, “…Russia’s interference campaign was the core issue that Mr. Mueller was appointed to investigate…” is not true.
But it is typical of the constantly moving goalposts that constitute the gross journalistic malpractice that this affair has generated.
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s 2017 letter establishing the Russiagate investigation and appointing Mueller explicitly stated that its purpose was to investigate
“(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals with ths campaign of Donald Trump, and
(ii) any matters that may arise directly from this investigation.”
Mueller had a very broad mandate, demonstrated by the fact that his report shows he investigated Trump’s business ties with Russia in the years prior to the election, but the primary purpose of the investigation was always about conspiracy during the campaign.
You know, the Manchurian Candidate theory that so excited and enriched the McResistance.
The bedrock fact and reality which the Times Editorial Board and most commenters here refuse to acknowledge is that, on the fundamental allegation of conspiracy with a foreign government to affect the 2016 election, there was no there there.
Doubling down on a discredited conspiracy theory just makes you all look desperate and foolish, and is really bad politics.
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Everyone is wrong. The New York Times is wrong. The Washington Post is wrong. All of our intelligence agencies are wrong. The only ones who understand what’s really happening are you, Trump, Bill Barr, Sarah Sanders and FOX.
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Please refute what I wrote Diane, if you can.
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Michael,
Your defense of Trump baffles me. I don’t have to prove a connection between Trump and Putin. Mueller did that, identifying at least 140 contacts between Trump and his associates with Russians. He did not conclude that the campaign conspired with Putin, but the report says that the Russian government interfered in our election to help Trump. That is indisputable.
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There was also the matter that Michael Cohen revealed, which Trump never contested: Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, which needed Putin’s approval, during the campaign. Too bad this was not made public during the election.
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Michael Fiorillo: No, my dear, you are NOT answering why you stick up for Trump. Answer that!!! You are skirting the issue.
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Yes, Diane, Trump wanted to build a tower in Moscow, and that might even be why he ran for President and said nice things about Putin. It’s venal and corrupt (and went nowhere, as I’ll explain in a moment), but it’s not a criminal conspiracy with a foreign state to affect a US election, the investigation of which was Mueller’s primary objective. There’s a lot of difference between the two; why do you and others insist on conflating them, especially when Cohen’s testimony and Mueller’s investigation turned up a dry well on the matter?
Cohen’s testimony about Trump Tower Moscow in fact undermined the conspiracy theory, since if Trump had truly been a Russian asset since 1987 (as per the totally discredited Steele Report, which you may recall was partially paid for by the DNC), then why would he need his flunkies to stumble around pursuing a deal that went nowhere?
Regarding Trump’s wish to build that tower, the same Michael Cohen whom Russiagate Truthers were convinced would testify that Putin had kompromat on Trump, in fact testified under oath that he never saw any evidence of a Trump conspiracy with Russia.
Trump never had anything beyond a letter of intent from what Cohen himself described as a “Second Tier” development bank. In fact, Cohen’s emails to his friend and associate Felix Sater complained that Sater’s lack of progress was making him look bad in the eyes of his boss. In other words, the proposed project was a loser that went nowhere, existing only in the bluster and hype of Trump and his underlings.
No agreements, loans, permits or construction for the project were ever executed. The project was stillborn from the beginning.
Finally, in desperation Cohen sent an email to the public email address at the Kremlin – exactly what someone representing a person who’s been a “Russian Asset” since 1987 would do, right? – looking to initiate negotiations. He received an email back from a low-level Russian government functionary who informed him that, while they had nothing to do with construction permits and development, he was welcome to attend a trade seminar in Moscow the following year. In other words, he blew Cohen off.
So much for that conspiracy: next…
Oh, and for the umpteenth time, by what contortions of logic and truth-telling does my pointing out the inconsistencies and fallacies in the Russiagate narrative, and suggesting that it’s collapse and discrediting in fact aids Trump, make me a Trump supporter?
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MIchael,
I don’t understand your insistence on denying the many links between Trump and Russian nationals. Did Donald Trump Jr not have a meeting in the campaign offices with top staff where he hoped to get “dirt” on Hillary? I see no point in arguing with you. Mueller decided against a finding of conspiracy. In the many elections in which I voted, since 1960, I have never seen so many contacts between a presidential candidate and a hostile foreign power.
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“I have never seen so many contacts…”
I know of none other than Aaron Burr. So, roughly 158 or so years before 1960.
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Michael,
Diane asks many good questions which you refuse to answer but instead keep repeating the right wing propaganda “Trump was not a Manchurian candidate”. So what?
According to what Michael wants us to believe, the Mueller investigation was only to decide whether Trump was a Manchurian candidate, and if that can’t be proven, Michael claims all the other copious wrongdoing and corruption in the Trump campaign and White House that Mueller carefully documents is worthless and must never be mentioned again. (Michael’s view is exactly the view of the Trump White House and the far right — coincidence?)
Michael ONLY wants to talk about what the Mueller report did not prove. It didn’t prove Trump was the Manchurian candidate. Michael will not acknowledge what the Mueller report DID prove about the corruption in the Trump CAMPAIGN and the corruption in the Trump WHITE HOUSE.
I can’t figure out why Michael insists Trump is innocent of obstruction of justice charges. Can anyone explain this extraordinary need for him to pretend any evidence that demonstrates the corruption of the Trump campaign must be ignored and not mentioned?
Does anyone really believe that Michael has the good of the country in mind when he insists that the only part of the Mueller report that should ever be discussed are those that make Trump look innocent and not like the corrupt man the ENTIRE Mueller report so carefully documents?
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Time to write off Michael Fiorillo and ignore the man.
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Still with the Trump Tower meeting, despite the fact that it went nowhere and produced no indictments, despite the hours of testimony the principals gave to Mueller, testimony which produced no indictments for either conspiracy or perjury?
OK, then, what of that meeting?
Donnie, Jr. and Kushner wanted “dirt” – in less emotionally charged and politicized language, opposition research – on their opponent. But the meeting was a bait-and-switch by the Russians, who had nothing to offer, and who were trying to lobby against sanctions resulting from the Magnitsky Act.
Saint Santa Claus Mueller investigated this, and appparently saw nothing illegal in it; do you have access to secret information that proves he overlooked or ignored something, or that something was withheld from him?
If you don’t have such information, you should let it drop, because while the meeting does illustrate the degenerate state of politics as practiced today by both sides (evidence of that to follow), it is nevertheless not illegal.
This is an endemic and and politically dangerous tic the McResistance and Russiagate Truthers have perpetuated throughout this episode: criminalizing common political behavior Because Trump. Just wait until the Republicans and your sainted FBI turn it against the Democrats and a Democratic President for being ideologically unacceptable, in the unlikely event the Donor Class wing of the Party ever allows that to happen.
Following up on my previous point about the Trump Tower meeting, here’s a real world thought experiment that should make Russiagate Truthers pause (but won’t, because of their irrational fear/hatred of Hair Furor, and the delusions/magical thinking that follow from that):
So, answer me this, Diane: if the Trump Tower meeting was Treason because it involved members of the Russian government (although it didn’t), what is to be said about the Steele Report, paid for by the DNC, and which relied upon sources “inside the Russian government?”
Both were efforts to use Russian government sources (although in fact Velnitskaya was actually employed by Fusion GPS, the same employer as Steele at the time, which is likely to become an embarrassing point when Trump turns Russiagate against its peddlers in the coming months) to undermine opponents on both sides.
Why was one act Treason, but not the other?
I’m not contending either was – it was just typical gutter/power politics – but am just seeking a little logical and factual consistency amid all the moving goalposts, distractions and misdirections.
Oh, that’s right, Because Trump.
Finally, and I shouldn’t have to keep repeating this, but the hypocrisy, fallacies and denial here are just off the charts: I am defending factual/evidence-based reporting and reality-based politics, not Trump.
If you think you can restore Truth, Justice and the American Way by trying to overturn an election (no matter how grotesque the winner) with conspiracy theories, hysterical and transparently false propaganda, and unsavory alliances between National Security, media (who enriched themselves while giving Trump billions in free media) and political elites, then there’s even less hope than I thought.
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Michael,
Did you just say that what Trump did was “politics as usual”?
Wow, you practically wanted to lock up HRC and the women at the DNC for behavior that was far less criminal than what the Trump campaign did.
I only engage with your comments because they are the worst kind of right wing propaganda and Democrats lose when they let people like you mischaracterize Trump as the victim and the Democrats as the evil corrupt party. You certainly did it all through 2016 and you have not stopped. Not once. You obviously still believe that.
I can read everything you post here on Breitbart. Word for word. You have nothing good to say about Democrats and only excuses for Trump.
You are the reason Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold. Your beloved white working class Wisconsin voters believed your innuendos that the Republicans can do no wrong and the Democrats are pure evil and corrupt.
Keep up the “good work” and maybe you can get some other right wing Republican defeat another good progressive Democrat. The post above that characterizes everything Trump did as “politics as usual” and no different than what the evil corrupt Dems always do is truly abhorrent.
Like I said, you STILL think Trump is no worse than the Democrats. And anyone who agrees with you should certainly do what you hope they do and refuse to vote for any Democrat.
Russ Feingold thanks you. And so will the next Russ your right wing propaganda helps to defeat.
This country is in grave danger if purveyors of lies and right wing propaganda like you are not marginalized and treated like the right wing enablers that you are. I’m sure you can find many like-minded people at Brietbart.
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^^^”irrational fear/hatred of Hair Furor..”
That is Michael’s philosophy in a nutshell.
Anyone who “fears” or “hates” Trump and what he has done to this country is IRRATIONAL.
We need to be like “rational” Michael and excuse all of Trump’s actions and direct all of our hatred toward the Democrats.
It is “irrational” to read the Mueller report and not accept Michael’s view that nothing Trump did was any different than what the evil corrupt Democrats always do.
Michael says we are all “irrational”.
Michael is the purveyor of what is true and we must all defer to his superior knowledge and stop being “irrational” and thinking there is anything at all in the Mueller report that makes Trump look at all corrupt.
Shame on us for being so “irrational”. Why can’t we be totally rational like the people who told us that Trump was absolutely positively no worse than the evil corrupt Democrats?
Remember, only “irrational” people care about the Supreme Court and federal judges but “rational” people know that there is absolutely no difference between a far right Republican appointing justices and federal judges and the evil and corrupt Democrats.
Let’s all defer to Michael’s superiority because he knows so much more than we do, since we are blinded into “irrationality” while he is a superior individual who is far above the fray and understands that Trump is absolutely no worse than the Democrats.
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NYCPSP@1:12pm: Well-argued.
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Michael Fiorillo: Tell my WHY you support Trump. What exactly makes you think he is so great for this country? What has he accomplished to better average people’s lives?
I asked this question before and you still haven’t answered.
I assume you listen to Fox or some other R wing media. Most of us on this site think Trump is the worst president this country has ever seen. Tell me PRECISELY why, in your mind, I’m wrong.
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You keep asking that question; don’t you realize it it’s the kind of logical fallacy a child would try to put forward? Just because I state (with facts and evidence, unlike the True Believers here) that A is not B, that has no bearing whatsoever on my personal feelings about A.
In other words, just because I argue that there has never been factual evidence presented that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate controlled by Putin, that does not mean I therefore support Trump.
What is it about that simple logical fact you don’t understand?
Or do you recognize the fallacy you’re putting forward, and are just trolling?
In a world where the NSA vacuums up every email, telephone call and web search that is made, and where they can watch you pick your nose on the street from outer space, the idea that campaign volunteers like George Papadapoulos (who listed participation in his high school Model UN on his resume, as an indication of his deep cloak-and-dagger experience) were secretly conspiring with the Russian government was always highly improbable, if not preposterous.
And now that what was always highly improbable has been shown to be non-existent, you all go on to sometning else – that a Russion click bait farm elected Trump – without missing a beat. It’s intellectually dishonest, validates Trump’s ravings about Fake News, and looks ludicrous and pathetic to anyone outside of your highly-curated media bubble and echo chamber.
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The above is addressed to carolmalaysia.
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Micheal Fiorillo: You did not read the report yourself. Don’t rely on Barr’s letters, or press conference. You need to read it.
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Yes, I must have missed the “fact” that Mueller issued secret indictments known only to the readers of this blog and viewers of Rachel Maddow.
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“Michael Fiorillo @ April 22, 2019 at 11:59 am
Yes, I must have missed the “fact” that Mueller issued secret indictments known only to the readers of this blog and viewers of Rachel Maddow.”
Sealed indictments are legal. The report has 12 of them listed and all redacted.
Where did you get ‘secret’ from?
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Michael,
Were there “secret indictments” again the DNC? Against HRC?
Did that stop you from saying that the DNC was corrupt? Did that stop you from posting some of the most rabid attacks on HRC?
So why do you keep posting here telling us all to shut up?
It isn’t your blatant hypocrisy that makes your posts so suspect. It is that your blatant hypocrisy mirrors exactly the hypocrisy of the most racist and xenophobic far right Republicans.
You will smear and attack a Democrat and you don’t care about evidence, but if anyone dares to criticize Trump or one of the truly corrupt Republicans, you demand that they produce an indictment to prove it.
If you can’t acknowledge your own double standard here, then I will continue to believe that you care only about destroying the Democrats and that deep down you have no problem with Trump’s xenophobic and racist statements — just like you had no problem with them during the campaign when you insisted his racism and xenophobic ugliness was no worse than a Democrat.
I believe you. You STILL believe Trump is no worse than the Democrats. That will always be your guiding philosophy and no Mueller report will convince you that Trump is still no worse than the Dems.
You’d rather have Trump have another 4 years than anyone but your own preferred candidate and you will do everything you can to work for a Trump victory if your own preferred candidate doesn’t win the primary.
It’s shocking that you smear Democrats and you attack honest and upright people like Diane Ravitch because she dares to criticize the awful and corrupt actions of Trump. Why?
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Just because there were e-mails from DNC workers does not mean that the DNC conspired to thwart Bernie’s chances to win the nomination.
Just because Michael spent all of 2016 insisting that Bernie would have won but the DNC acted in ways that somehow weren’t covered by any camera but somehow FORCED African-American democrats in the south to vote for the evil, corrupt HRC.
(Michael never has any problems calling the DNC and HRC and Democrats “corrupt”. But notice that Michael STILL won’t call the Republicans corrupt.
Michael says the entire Mueller report prove that Trump is NOT corrupt, just the victim of the evil Dems, just like poor Bernie.
And he doesn’t need one bit of evidence to rant against the Democrats. But nothing in the entire Mueller report will convince Michael Trump is corrupt.
Michael, the Republicans are corrupt. You won’t say that, and your belief that Democrats should try to appeal to voters who insist that the Republicans’ racism and xenophobia and hatred of the working man is how to Make America Great Again reveals something that is just plain wrong.
Republicans are corrupt. Trump is corrupt. If you can’t say it, you don’t believe it. Your right wing bias is showing.
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Fiorello, I think you are entirely missing an important point here. Granted there are many who hoped to entrap Trump legally or impeachably via consorting w/the Russians, during or post-campaign. If wishes were horses… both conspiracy and emoluments are hard to prove in court.
But consider the motivation: we have here an “unprecedented” President, whose business ties him to a foreign adversary… who had a campaign mgr deeply embroiled in Russo-Ukrainian politics & “coincidentally” there were changes in forgn-policy platform to suit… who flouts precedent by refusing to divest himself of that business, & appoints key West Wing personnel who are equally embroiled [several of whom have been indicted for criminal offenses], plus family members only nominally removed from the business [stretching credulity], & maintaining regular contact w/other relatives running it.
If that isn’t “appearance of impropriety,” what is? It may not be illegal, but if not why not? & sure as hell deserves the investigation it got. At least it causes the public to take a good long look at what our laws allow re: vetting candidates for high office, & whether some of the “norms” heretofore unviolated should be enshrined by law, especially given the surprisingly heavy influence our Pres has over “checks & balances,” as revealed by this Pres pushing the envelope.
The balance of Trump’s quasi-illegal actions– have to agree w/CNN/ MSNBC analysts here– were entirely self-inflicted: flouting election law by facetiously calling for Russians to release emails endicting his opponent, allowing his son to sit w/Russians to gather dirt on Hillary– & flouting obstruction of justice laws by firing Comey et al attempts to quash the Special Prosecutor’s investigation.
Mueller’s report gives us an accurate snapshot of the critter we elected, & was well worth the time & $, regardless of the fine points of the law you’re hanging your hat on. & p.s. I could care lesswhether that makes you a Trump-supporter or not.
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bethree5,
You say I am missing an important point, but they revolve around points I raised, which you ignore.
The Trump Moscow project went nowhere, and in reality was far closer to farce than intrigue and espionage. There’s no question that the project involved a gross conflict of interest on Trump’s part, but that has never been the focus: it was always the Putin’s Poodle/Kompromat/Manchurian Candidate angle.
The conflict of interest is real – though i notice no one on this blog has mentioned it – but the Trump Works For Putin madness that we’ve been hearing about for two years (and which has been rampant on this blog) has been shown to not be. When you look at Trump’s actual behavior toward Russia as President – arming Ukraine with missiles Obama wouldn’t permit, tearing up the INF nuclear treaty, trying to force Germany to boycott Russian gas, etc. – you see how preposterous the entire narrative is.
Finally, your statement ignores my question: if the Trump Tower meeting was Treason, because Trump, Jr., Kushner and Manafort thought they’d be meeting with Russian government officials (they didn’t and weren’t, but for the sake of argument let’s go with it), why wasn’t the Steele report, paid for by the DNC’s law firm, likewise treasonous? Steele also relied on “Russian government sources,” or claimed to.
Please explain the material difference between the two. And if there isn’t one, then what have the past two-plus years been about?
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bethree5,
Michael just completely exonerated Trump! See, Trump is no worse than Democrats, just like Michael said all during 2016 when he excoriated HRC and repeated every right wing talking point about how corrupt and compromised she was.
Michael just normalized Trump. He didn’t mention the obstruction of justice because obstruction of justice is not allowed to be part of any narrative that exonerates and normalizes Trump.
Why, anyone reading Michael’s paragraph would know that Trump has been the innocent victim and if he wins again, it will be all the Democrats fault for believing Trump did anything that should ever be investigated.
Not only should the Democrats drop this now, says Michael, but he is actually attacking Democrats for ever supporting Mueller’s investigation at all!
Sadly, Michael isn’t alone in this belief. Just go to any Trump rally and the people there will tell you the same.
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Impeach Donald Trump?
By Charles M. Blow
Opinion Columnist
Obstruction of justice is a crime. The decision is clear.
The question is: What are we going to do about it? Obstruction of justice is a crime. If Trump committed that crime, he’s a criminal. Are we simply going to allow a criminal to sit in the Oval Office and face no consequence? Are we simply going to let the next presidential election be the point at which Trump is punished or rewarded?
It is maddening to think that we are at such a pass. But, my mind is made up: I say impeach him.
I know all the arguments against.
First, even if the House voted to impeach Trump, the Senate would never vote to convict and remove him. This is the “failed impeachment” theory.
But, I say that there is no such thing as a failed impeachment. Impeachment exists separately from removal. Impeachment in the House is akin to an indictment, with the trial, which could convict and remove, taking place in the Senate. The Senate has never once voted to convict.
So, an impeachment vote in the House has, to this point, been the strongest rebuke America is willing to give a president. I can think of no president who has earned this rebuke more than the current one.
And, once a president is impeached, he is forever marked. It is a chastisement unto itself. It is the People’s House making a stand for its people.
Then there is the idea that an impeachment would be contentious and increase public support for Trump the way it did for Bill Clinton.
But I find the conflation of Clinton and Trump ill-reasoned on the issue of the public’s response in polling.
First, Clinton’s approval was subject to change in a way Trump’s is not. Clinton experienced a 40-point swing in his approval over his presidency, according to Gallup. Trump’s seems almost impervious to change, no matter the news.
People either love Trump or hate him. Impeachment will most likely not change that any more than Trump seeing fine people among Nazis or locking children in cages….
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Trump later deleted this comment. How about getting facts before acting and showing the world how stupid you are?
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Early Sunday morning, before his tweets about Easter and the Mueller report, President Trump expressed condolences to families of the victims of the Sri Lankan explosions — and grossly overstated the death toll.
“Heartfelt condolences from the people of the United States to the people of Sri Lanka on the horrible terrorist attacks on churches and hotels that have killed at least 138 million people and badly injured 600 more,” Trump tweeted. “We stand ready to help!”
As of 2018, the population of Sri Lanka was around 22 million.
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A few questions/comments. First, I’m disappointed that Mueller let Trump get away with saying, “I don’t recall” to 37 questions. Why did he not subpoena him and make him testify under oath? A BIG mistake in my book. Second. We basically have a president who IS above the law while he is in office because DOJ policy is that a sitting president can’t be indicted. If Mueller weren’t so “conservative” as everyone says, perhaps he might have broken with the DOJ policy and indicted him if he found that crimes were committed. It could have gone to court and then at least we would have some case law in this area. Third. Why are Democrats afraid of impeachment? Whose vote do they fear losing in 2020? I imagine that it will be the democratic base that would be the most outraged if they don’t bring impeachment proceedings. I think the Dems show fear, weakness and a lack of confidence in their candidates in NOT doing what should be done and that’s impeachment whether it passes in the Senate or not. It’s a matter of principle. We cannot have a president who acts in the ways that Mueller has laid out in his report.
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Mamie Krupczak Allegretti: Good comment!!
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Republicans will not vote to impeach. Democrats know that. Calling for impeachment will be a legitimate but futile exercise with high risk of providing the Trumpsters with more energy and arrogance about Trump being attacked by zealots who are out to get him.
Priority one should be defeating Trump and Trump supporters in the forthcoming elections. And that also means paying attention to multiple ways that the voting process can be compromised, by domestic and foreign manipulation of social media and the press.
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Impeachment would NOT be a futile exercise. Doing what is RIGHT is not a futile exercise. It is the SWORN DUTY of our Congress to uphold the Constitution and be a SEPARATE but EQUAL branch of government and provide a check on the president. Can this country survive if we have political candidates and presidents acting in the way Mueller has said Trump (and others) have acted? How much worse will it get if our congress does NOTHING to repudiate this behavior? So we won’t do what’s right because it would “provide Trumpsters with more energy?” I guess we should just turn our backs when we see any wrongdoing because someone will try to use our actions against us.
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I support impeachment because the House should defend our institutions without regard to what the Senate might do.
Bill Clinton was impeached but not removed by the Senate. His crime was lying under oath. Are Trump’s multiple crimes, multiple lies, less egregious?
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Hannah Arendt would agree with you. Here are the final sentences of the last essay she wrote, Home to Roost: “When the facts come home to roost, let us try at least to make them welcome. Let us try not to escape into some utopias—images, theories, or sheer follies. It was the greatness of this Republic to give due account for the sake of freedom to the best in men and to the worst.”
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Bernie Sanders
Last year, the CEO of General Motors made almost $22 million in compensation — nearly 300 times what the average worker at the company makes each year.
At the same time, GM is closing a number of profitable plants and shipping those jobs overseas, including one in Lordstown, Ohio.
I visited the Lordstown plant recently with a message for General Motors, and that is if corporations like GM think they can throw workers out on the street while they’re making billions in profits and then line up to receive even more money from federal government contracts, well… that ain’t going to happen when I am president.
We made a short video from our visit. You need to see what is happening in Lordstown. The piece is quite powerful. Watch and share it with your friends on social media:
Watch the video [Below on U-tube]
Lordstown is an example of the horrific impact on a small town and a community when a company like General Motors gives billions of dollars in stock buybacks to make the very rich even richer while closing down plants and shipping those jobs overseas.
I have always felt there is something profoundly wrong with people and businesses that have so much money yet still decide that they are willing to step over working people, many with families and young children, in order to get more and more.
And what we have to decide is whether in our democracy, we are going to allow a handful of businesses on Wall Street to close down profitable plants like the one in Lordstown.
What we have to decide is whether or not we should allow a company like GM — which received a $50 billion bailout from the taxpayers of this country — to throw thousands of productive workers out on the street.
To say the least, that does not show a lot of love and gratitude.
So what we are going to do on this campaign, and when I am in the White House, is tell companies like General Motors that they are going to start being good corporate citizens — that their greed is going to end.
We are going to tell them that they will no longer continue to treat their workers with disdain and contempt.
And that starts with spreading the word about what GM is doing in places like Lordstown.
So please, watch our video from Lordstown and share it on your favorite social media channels like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.
This is important. People need to see what is happening in Lordstown.
Thank you for sharing their story.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders
Lordstown Tough
Bernie Sanders
Published on Apr 20, 2019
“Tell General Motors today, no more federal contracts until they deal with Lordstown. Let’s see how tough you are!” – Bernie Sanders, challenging President Donald Trump to bring jobs back to Lordstown, Ohio.
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Trumbull County, Ohio, where the Lordstown GM plant is located, is part of the Youngstown-Warren Metropolitan Area.
Despite being a unionized stronghold that traditionally votes Democratic, it shifted over thirty percentage points between 2012 and 2016, going for Donald Trump.
Which is the more plausible explanation for that shift: that Russian bots sending Facebook posts featuring Buff Bernie and Jesus arm-wrestling with Satan (the majority of which appeared after the election) and White Supremacy suddenly infected the voters of Northeastern Ohio, or that voters responded to Trump’s (accurate) diatribes against neoliberal trade deals (even if those diatribes were a typical Trump con)?
Oh, and please don’t fail to post the statements of solidarity for Lordstown GM workers from Billl and Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Pete Butigieg (the Official Stop Bernie Candidate), et. al.
I can’t wait to see them, but I won’t hold my breath.
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So, our ‘Great Leader’ is blaming the closure on the union dues being too high. Tell me WHY this is the Trump you support. He doesn’t even know that union dues are paid by the employees.
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In his speech to the around 1,000 employees, Trump said the workers at the Lordstown GM factory, which up until its recent shuttering produced the Chevy Cruze, didn’t try to save the facility. GM announced the Lordstown plant’s shutdown in November as part of a plan to lay off more than 14,000 workers in the United States and Canada.
“They could’ve kept that gorgeous plant,” Trump said. “Lower your dues. Lower your dues.”
His statements about union dues are curious. Union dues are paid by employees, not by the company.
Regardless of the accuracy of his statements, Trump’s comments were clearly intended to blame the union workers for the plant’s demise in the latest bit of a feud that has at times approached the bizarre. Presidents rarely tell bargaining units how to operate.
It all started over the weekend when Trump attacked UAW Local 1112 President Dave Green, head of the union that represents Lordstown workers, apparently in a fit of rage over a brief appearance by Green on Fox News.
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I’m not talking about the lies Trump is telling now, I’m talking about the lies – factually true in this case, but dishonestly presented as if they reflected his beliefs and intentions – he spoke during the campaign.
Those (true) lies, seemingly intuited in the lizard brain of this political idiot savant, resonated for just enough Rust Belt voters, due to the negligence and contempt (which the McResistance continues to exhibit) the Clinton/Obama/Donor Class wing of the Democratic Party has shown these regions and constituencies for decades.
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I’m not talking about the lies Trump is currently telling; I’m talking about the lies he told when campaigning in the Rust Belt states that gave him the election.
In those instances, Trump’s diatribes against neoliberal trade deals were the truth, and went unanswered by the Democrats; what was a lie was his intention to do anything about it in a way that would help working people.
Those largely-factual diatribes against trade deals (some of them negotiated under Clinton, and which hugely enriched the regions where the McResistance is largely centered) resonated in places like Trumbull County.
And what is the McResistance offering Trumbull County today? “We’re Not Trump?” “Less Sucky Obama/Romneycare?” “Training (for non-existent jobs)? “Trump Loves Putin?”
Not too inspiring, is it?
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What are Republicans offering them?
Why would voters in Trumbull county who were foolish enough to believe Trump’s lies vote for him again? If the only thing the Democrats are offering them is that they are BETTER than Trump and the right wing Republicans who are trying to decimate their union, they can believe it or not. They can either stop paying dues to the union that Trump tells them is the source of all their problems or not — it’s up to them. Or it’s up to you to keep telling them the Dems are worse than Trump and get them to cut down on their dues just like the Republican party is telling them to do. Demonize unions because they are the source of all evil, just like the Republicans do and we can win!
What are the Trump and the Republicans offering them?
Here is a fact: Russ Feingold offered working class white voters exactly what you claim he should have offered them and they preferred the policies offered by Ron Johnson. Why aren’t you demanding that Democrats offer Ron Johnson’s policies so they can “win” Wisconsin?
Ron Johnson won because he demonized Russ Feingold and people like you help demonize the Democratic Party that Russ was a proud member of and decided that the philosophy of Ron Johnson was what they wanted to embrace.
Trump won because he demonized HRC and people like you helped him demonize the Democratic party that HRC was a proud member of and they decided that the racism and xenophobia of Trump was really appealing.
If you are going to demonize the Democrats again, Michael, then why bother to tell the Democrats what to stand for since it will never be good enough for you or the voters in Wisconsin who loved the right wing Republican agenda that they experienced with Ron Johnson.
By your logic, Dems must embrace the philosophy of Ron Johnson and not Russ Feingold in order to win. I happen to disagree because I know Russ lost because of LIES about him. But you like to blame the candidate for being corrupt and co opted, and you are happy to help the Republican mischaracterize Dems as corrupt, so I guess if the Dems listen to you they should make sure their candidate is just like Ron Johnson so he can win Wisconsin.
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Yes, Michael Fiorello. NYCPSP’s rant about Dem purists losing us the election notwithstanding, I am w/you on the problem here. And it’s not just in the Rust Belt.
For sure, they have the worst of it. But speaking as a mid/upper-mid family, we have followed all the rules & toed the line, yet for about 25 yrs we have seen our purchasing power carved steadily away under both Republican and Democrat admins, fed & state. Basically the game since about 1990 has been: work more hours & more bus-travel just to tread water & hang onto the assets you gained when economy was better.. A function of stagnant wages, super-low bank-interest rates, job-outsourcing/ layoffs, rising home/ RE-tax costs, & outrageously-spiraling healthcare & college costs. Chickens have come home to roost now, as our millennial sons work multiple gigs to make rent/ food, put off families, can’t imagine ever being able to buy houses.
At this point, we continue to vote Dem because they at least try not tromp on the public & we agree w/ more balanced distribution of wealth. But we have no great hopes given the neoliberal bent of the party, & the laws which lock in increasing rich-poor divide. Hillary lost because she looked like she’d continue that trend, & because fools believed Trump could turn it around.
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bethree5,
The political consequences of the frustration you describe on the part of people in your area is what I’m trying to get across. Russiagate is a conscious effort on the part of elites in the Democratic Party to evade the reckoning that Trump’s election calls for, because if Putin elected Trump, they don’t need to change.
It’s also a continuing expression of contempt for former Democratic voters who for whatever reason voted for Trump or stayed home.
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“Russiagate is a conscious effort on the part of elites in the Democratic Party to evade the reckoning that Trump’s election calls for, because if Putin elected Trump, they don’t need to change.”
So now Diane Ravitch is an “elite”? Elizabeth Warren is an “elite”? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who just called for impeachment, is an “elite”, too?
All of those people believe in changing the Democratic party. They also believe in facts.
Once again you use the same right wing propaganda terms — now it is “elites”. Your smear of AOC and Sen. Warren as “elites” makes me wonder what your real agenda is.
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https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/05/23/robert-mueller-report-trump-indictment/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR%20Mueller%20misogyny%20Indonesia&utm_content=NYR%20Mueller%20misogyny%20Indonesia+CID_c9e0f2df7244c4186281140caebab4f9&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=An%20Indictment%20in%20All%20But%20Name
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Subject: Congress must hold abuse of power hearings
The Mueller report makes one thing clear: there is significant evidence that President Trump obstructed justice.
There is no longer any room for doubt that our corrupt president has abused his power. It is time for Congress to hold hearings on Trump’s abuses of power, so the American people can decide for themselves whether or not they think his behavior was acceptable for a president. After all, the question is not just whether the president’s actions were outright criminal, but whether we want to hold our leaders to a higher standard.
That’s why CREW is calling for Congress to immediately begin holding hearings into President Trump’s potential abuse of power.
President Trump repeatedly crossed a line, and it is time for Congress to act. If there was ever a time to be outraged, it is now. Join me, and add your name to call on Congress to hold hearings into abuse of power by President Trump.
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/its-time-for-congress-to-hold-abuse-of-power-hearings/?sp_ref=486895813.427.195739.e.630693.2&source=email
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Time to Start the Impeachment Process
Some Democrats are afraid of impeachment because after he was impeached Bill Clinton was more popular than before. But that’s because throughout the impeachment process we learned that Bill Clinton had not committed any of the multiple crimes the Republicans had first talked about; the only thing he was guilty of was having an affair and lying to cover it up. About half of American married people have done the same; that’s a tough one to sell to people as a reason to remove a president.
But an impeachment hearing against Trump will reveal the whole spectrum of actual crimes, and when the American people learn the details, they will support an impeachment effort.
Begin the investigation!
-Thom Hartmann
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HuffPost:
Views of Trump’s behavior are, reliably, more negative than positive, but Americans remain divided over what to make of the report’s findings, with a substantial minority still unclear on what to think.
By a 10-point margin, 45% to 35% percent, people who’ve heard at least something about the report’s release say it does not entirely clear Trump. Another 20% aren’t sure.
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Nobody should believe Huckabee-Sanders anymore than one should believe anything Trump says. Her job, as she sees it, is to lie to cover for the president. She has to be twisting herself in knots doing that. How she manages to sleep at night is a mystery. But then, if money is her main goal, I’m sure she’s well paid to lie.
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What to do about Sarah Sanders? White House reporters have a few ideas
Given that she made the erroneous statements on two separate occasions, her explanations for them raised the possibility that she not only lied, but lied in explaining why she lied.
“I hope and trust that she understands why this is a big deal and why it matters to us and to her,” said Peter Baker, the veteran New York Times White House reporter, in an interview Monday. “A press secretary’s most important asset is credibility. If you don’t have that, there’s not much point. But we all make mistakes. The test is what you do about it to make things better.”..
Under Sander’s tenure, formal press briefings have all but disappeared, relieving Sanders of what was, at least in previous administrations, the press secretary’s primary daily responsibility. As of Tuesday, the Trump White House will set a record for the longest stretch without a briefing, 43 days. This breaks the previous record set in March (42 days), which broke the record set in January (41 days). Since the beginning of the year, Sanders has had just two briefings, fielding press questions for a mere 30 minutes or so in total.
Sanders sometimes holds Q&As with reporters on the White House driveway outside the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room. But these are both informal and irregular. She has also become well known among reporters for not responding to emails or calls to her office seeking comment…
“As far as I’m concerned, the Mueller report hasn’t changed anything,” said Olivia Nuzzi, who covers the White House for New York magazine. “Sanders never should have been relied on, and she should not be relied on now.”
https://wapo.st/2UNMDIt?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.7528fb953194
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This is Trump acting his best to be ‘presidential’. Any media not worthy of Fox status is condemned. “Paul Krugman, of the Fake News New York Times, has lost all credibility, as has the Times itself, with his false and highly inaccurate writings on me.” I wish someone could shut Trump up. How low can this creature of the filthy swamp get? He has to be a horrible person to live with. Supreme loyalty and bowing must get tiring for anyone who possesses a thinking brain.
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Trump Flips Out at NYT, Says It Should ‘Beg’ for His Mercy
Donald Trump flew into a temper tantrum first thing Tuesday morning, this time aiming his vitriol at The New York Times. The president appeared to be flipping out after a column from Paul Krugman tore into him and the Republican Party over the Mueller report, writing that Trump “betrayed” the country and “the modern GOP is perfectly willing to sell out America if that’s what it takes to get tax cuts for the wealthy.” In a set of truly unhinged tweets, the president hit out, writing: “Paul Krugman, of the Fake News New York Times, has lost all credibility, as has the Times itself, with his false and highly inaccurate writings on me. He is obsessed with hatred, just as others are obsessed with how stupid he is … I wonder if the New York Times will apologize to me a second time, as they did after the 2016 Election. But this one will have to be a far bigger & better apology. On this one they will have to get down on their knees & beg for forgiveness—they are truly the Enemy of the People!” The newspaper never apologized to Trump—the president appears to be misrepresenting a short letter to readers in November 2016 thanking them for loyalty and saying it would “rededicate” itself to journalism after Trump’s unexpected victory.
Read it at Donald Trump / Twitter
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We rant and vent here, often anonymously, mostly over things we have no power over.
Look at Trump’s latest tweets, from early this morning. He is doing the same thing, ranting and venting, and with much venom and snark, as if he had no power, no better way to deal with things that frustrate him.
Isn’t this a security issue, that the world can see the inner thoughts of POTUS in real time? And isn’t this a competence issue and evidence of deterioration?
His tweets carry weight. We may get snarky and subversive in fun or frustration. When POTUS does it, it undermines democracy and the rule of law in a very real way, with immediate and subsequent consequences.
We must follow the law and impeach.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp27238152/trump-50-tweets-24-hours-russia-democrats-media/
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I had no idea that Trump was once the host on SNL. Interesting since he now totally condemns this humor. It gave him a chance to tell the world how wonderful he is.
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Trump: Many of the greats have hosted, as you know, this show like me in 2012. A lot of people are saying, “Donald you’re the most amazing guy. You’re brilliant, you’re handsome, you’re rich, you have everything going.The world is waiting for you to be president so why are you hosting SNL. Why? The answer is that I have really nothing better to do.”…
Donald Trump Monologue – SNL
Saturday Night Live
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Donald Trump is joined by Taran Killam as Donald Trump and Darrell Hammond as Donald Trump. Plus, Larry David makes a surprise appearance.
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Keep truth from the ears of our ‘Great Leader’ because it would upset his delicate, fragile constitution.
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Official Working on 2020 Security ‘Warned Not to Tell Trump’
When former Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen set out to strengthen efforts to protect the 2020 election from Russian interference, Donald Trump’s chief of staff reportedly warned her to keep it a secret from the president through fear it would upset him. The New York Times reports that, before Nielsen left the Department of Homeland Security earlier this month, she became increasingly concerned about Russia’s continued attempts to disrupt elections despite being caught red-handed in 2016. When she wanted to push ahead with new measures to help fight back earlier this year, chief of staff Mick Mulvaney warned her that Trump still equated discussion of Russian election interference with questions about the legitimacy of his victory. Mulvaney reportedly told her it “wasn’t a great subject and should be kept below his level.” Nielsen eventually gave up on her effort to organize a White House meeting of cabinet secretaries to discuss how to protect next year’s presidential elections.
Read it at New York Times
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I knew that the country has had more hate crimes sinceTrump became president but I hadn’t seen these statistics. Makes one wonder why any county would welcome the speeches of the Orange Moron.
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Hate crimes rose by 226 percent in counties where Trump hosted campaign rallies in 2016: study
BY ARIS FOLLEY – 03/23/19 07:45 PM EDT
United States counties where President Trump hosted a campaign rally in 2016 saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes compared to similar counties that did not host one, an analysis released by The Washington Post has revealed.
The analysis, which was published on Friday, was conducted by Ayal Feinberg, a Ph.D. candidate in political science at the University of North Texas, and Regina Branton and Valerie Martinez-Ebers, two political science professors at the university.
They said their research sought to explain how some of Trump’s rhetoric “may encourage hate crimes.”
The analysis examined whether there was a correlation between counties that held a Trump rally in 2016 and increased incidents of hate crimes in the months that followed such events.
“To test this, we aggregated hate-crime incident data and Trump rally data to the county level and then used statistical tools to estimate a rally’s impact,” the three wrote.
“We included controls for factors such as the county’s crime rates, its number of active hate groups, its minority populations, its percentage with college educations, its location in the country and the month when the rallies occurred,” they continued.
The study’s authors said their findings revealed that counties that hosted one of Trump’s 275 campaign rallies in 2016 saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes compared to comparable counties that didn’t host a rally…
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/435458-hate-crimes-rose-by-226-percent-in-counties-where-trump
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Wow.
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The unhinged Dotard proves how brilliant he is.
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“Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest – and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.”—Donald Trump, Tweet, 8 May 2013
“I’m a very stable genius”—Donald J. Trump http://bit.ly/2zE5efV (1:00)—LOL
“If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID. You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”—President Trump—LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSm0jT4U88
“But one thing I can promise you is this: I will always tell you the truth.” … “So, while sometimes I can be too honest, Hillary Clinton is the exact opposite: she never tells the truth. One lie after another, and getting worse each passing day, …”—Donald Trump, Charlotte, North Carolina, 18 Aug 2016 https://politi.co/2TXctFK
“I’m president, Hey, I’m president. Do you believe it, right?”—Donald Trump (May 2017)
“The greatest enemy of this country is Fake News. I really mean it.” … “I think that one of the most important things that I’ve done, especially for the public, is explain that a lot of the news is indeed fake.”—Donald Trump (delusional and inadvertently referring to his pathological mendaciousness) to Lewandowski (2018)
“China has total respect for Trump’s very, very large brain”—Donald Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQgjpnr5e2s
“Russia used to be the Soviet Union. Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia. … The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is, it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt; they went into being called Russia again, as opposed to the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.”—Donald Trump https://wapo.st/2QrQaVS
“I think my language is very nice,”—Donald Trump, WaPo, Feb 22, 2019
LOL—https://medium.com/p/444ee43f137e
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“Lock him up!” People obviously need to learn more about what Trump is and has done his whole life.
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Only 3 in 10 Believe Mueller Report Exonerates Trump: Poll
Only three in 10 Americans reportedly believe President Trump’s claim that he has been completely exonerated by the Mueller Report. According to an ABC/Washington Post poll, 58 percent of Americans believe Trump lied to the American people about subjects Mueller investigated. But despite Americans’ suspicions about the president surrounding the Mueller Report, only 37 percent of Americans support his impeachment—reportedly a new low. Americans are also reportedly divided on whether or not Trump obstructed justice, with 47 percent believing he did and 41 believing he did not. Fifty-one percent characterize the Mueller report as “fair and even-handed,” while 21 percent call the report “unfair.” Trump called the Mueller investigation a “witch hunt” throughout its duration, and declared victory once Mueller concluded there was no collusion between his campaign and Russians during the election. The president also recently called the probe an attempted “coup” that was unsuccessful.
Read it at ABC News
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