New Yorkers will have a progressive slate to vote for in the gubernatorial election. The Working Families Party has endorsed Cynthia Nixon for Governor and City Councilman Jumaane Williams for Lieutenant Governor.
Andrew Cuomo will be challenges from his left on education, housing, jobs, infrastructure, and every other issue. This should be interesting.
If you want to make a donation to their campaign on the WFP line, use this link.
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My concerns about Nixon are that she wants NY unions to “make concessions” and I’m not sure she supports single-payer health care. I am certainly NOT a Cuomo supporter, nor a supporter of any Republican.
Yes the TWU is very upset with her. I don’t think she is going g to get much union support. Until I heard this, I was ready to vote for her. But I don’t think I can now. And I, too , nog a Cuomo fan not a Republican supporter. Ugh’
This was based, as far as I can tell, one one article where she said this. I’m not defending her, but I’m net ready to condem her. Let’s all remember what Cuomo said by camparison: http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/new-york/education/andrew-cuomo-rips-teacher-unions-selfish-industry-article-1.2089053
You are running for Governor of the State of NY you should know the major issues . .
Long before she made that Statement I was screaming my head off (behind the key board ) on 4 different Union trade FB pages . Pointing out the need for taxes and public dollars to do infrastructure work , Pointing out that the Public Private Partnerships were a dagger aimed at the heart of Union Construction . That the SALT elimination in the Republican Tax bill was meant to kill Public worker unions and anybody that does work with Public Tax dollars . Which would be infrastructure work at the prevailing wage . That no matter what they were getting in a tax cut it was not worth the assault they were going to face .
Sure enough the ink was not dried on the Tax cut when the articles started appearing in the NYTimes , the NY Daily News , the rag NY Post about the high cost of Union construction. Complaining about the TWU and the MTA and the massive needs of the MTA At the same time as a huge add Campaign by Richard Berman and the rt wing Center for Union Facts plastered billboards around the city SUBWAY SCAM with a link to web pages that lambasted the trades and the TWU . This is the same Berman who attacked Teachers a few years back. . None of this assault happened by accident. It is a well oiled game plan.
The problems with the MTA infrastructure plan are due to inadequate funding of projects. Leaving no margin for inevitable work order changes that when finally agreed to escalate the cost dramatically .
Nobody dare tell the King the bad news . Contractors then build these delays into the price of the bid or go bankrupt. It becomes a feed back loop of escalating costs .
In addition both public Sector Unions expecting Janus and the Union trades under a massive assault (out of share greed) by NYC developers are facing existential threats. NYs Public workers and NYs union trades have seen inflation adjusted drops in pay for quite a few years . The Union Trades having experience 20 % unemployment rates through the Great recession and only recovering full employment or close to it ,in the last six months . Of course there is a high rise residential building boom in NYC most being done non Union with a substantial amount of undocumented labor .
“The roots of the current crisis lie in the 2008 recession that followed a debt-fueled real estate boom. Projects collapsed, lending ceased and apartment buyers disappeared.
But the cost of construction materials and land escalated. So developers and contractors who had projects pushed to cut labor costs. ”
Public or Private I get it blame the worker . Sounds like a plan the workers should make sacrifices. . They have been making sacrifice for decades .
So like I said you are running for the Governor of the State of NY . You live in the City of NY . These issues have been swirling around you. You think you would know the issues. Especially if you call yourself a progressive.
So vote for Cuomo, the champion of privatization.
“With Pickets and Lawsuits, Unions and Developers Go to War”
By CHARLES V. BAGLIAPRIL 13, 2018 NYTimes
The link disappeared here is the article
You might want to read “In These Times” on Nixon and TWU.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/21026/cynthia_nixon_andrew_cuono_unions_labor_mta_new_york
I read it Diane . Being a radical left wing trade Unionist . I try to check “In These Times “out daily. I just posted an article from it about Tesla yesterday .
I have a tough enough time arguing with tradesman that they can’t vote Republican and throw their futures away .
Just getting some to vote for Cuomo is a struggle . And you know I am no fan of Neo Liberal (right wing ) Democrats .
When workers are under assault few are sophisticated enough to in Lofgren’s words ” know who is screwing them and exactly how.”
They see who is in power and direct their wrath at them .
DeBlasio is the Mayor of the most Unionized City in the country . Yet they see their market share slipping away from them in a free fall, while he is Mayor. I ask exactly what is a Mayor supposed to do about Private Developers ?. Of course he could build affordable housing with public dollars instead of more costly tax breaks . But nobody wants to have that discussion . . . It does not help that DeBlasio cozies up to Developers for donations . Cuomo on the other hand played the Trades against the Public sector Unions .Promising large Public works jobs in exchange for support of his war with Teachers . The Building trades joined an add Campaign with Developers (RBNY ) attacking Public sector workers pensions .
The same RBNY who now seeks to crush them. Of course this turned into the war between the UFT and DeBlasio vs Cuomo the Ed reformers and right wing anti union money. Cuomo as part of that war fights DeBlasio for funding of TA Projects. Portraying the entire transit system as a basket case, it is not . Its six hundred miles of system functioning well most of the time . Having the consequence of exacerbating the assault on workers .
So Lofgren again . The Republicans have spent 30 years convincing workers that both parties are the same. Nixon’s remarks reinforced that notion. She parroted the right wing assault that blames the failures of Public Works /goods on workers .
The failure is a failure to adequately fund everything from schools to infrastructure. Let me know when someone wants to raise taxes to pay for it.
I agree, Joel. Neoliberal sand Republicans are intertwined in their desire to cut taxes and public investment. Cuomo governs Luke a Republican. He is vengeful and the unions will endorse him out of fear, not respect or admiration. His views on education are in step with DFER-DeVos
I agree, Joel. Neoliberals and Republicans are intertwined in their desire to cut taxes and public investment. Cuomo governs Luke a Republican. He is vengeful and the unions will endorse him out of fear, not respect or admiration. His views on education are in step with DFER-DeVos
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I support public schools but that doesn’t make me a knee jerk supporter of all unions.
And I happen to believe there is far less money wasted and far less graft in the public school teachers union than there is in public school construction, public school custodians and other construction trades.
It doesn’t surprise me that a politician like Cuomo would be on the side of the construction trades and against the teachers union. It is exactly what I would expect.
I think it’s wonderful and important that developers go to war against laborers for one only very specific reason. What is so great about the class war in America right now is that all of the dirty and unjust dynamics and conventions had curtains over them, rugs covering them, and layering of clothing concealing them.
Now the naked truth comes out, and it’s universal. Most of The über -rich really ARE out to get you you and they are in bed with your elected officials. That attitudes about deserved wealth is prominent. It’s in the air, in our nostrils, our lungs, and now in our blood system.
By now knowing the truth and acknowledging it about the class war in the United States, we can begin o address is productively and strategically. If the acknowledgment comes trickling out of the NY Times, it must have some import, event though I’m not a fan of the Times.
Many who vote against their interest time after time again have been in denial.
But you know what they say in a 12 step program: the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem.
Bravo for this struggle, for its people will learn, grow, and balance out their society. Cognitively and practically, this is a very celebratory junction even if the fight is far from over! There is so much to be proud of (absolutely no sarcasm meant here or anywhere in this note!)
Power to the American working class!!
We can and will win this.
What could the governor of NY do to effect single-payer healthcare? Not asking a rhetorical question, genuinely curious.
There was an effort to pass a NY State Universal health plan . Blocked by the Independent Democrats. So it never had to reach Cuomo’s desk.
Blocked by the Independent Democrats who Cuomo supports with every effort while he tries to hard to undermine the progressive Dems.
Ed,
Don’t criticize Cynthia Nixon without proving your point. Where’s the evidence for what you are saying? Are you a Cuomo troll? I have never seen you here before.
Cuomo is browbeating the unions to endorse him. Are you part of his team?
Cuomo is the personification of a neoliberal.
He is funded by the people who want to privatize public schools.
Tune in tomorrow at 11 am.
Ed explicitly stated that he’s not a Cuomo supporter, yet you go and accuse him of being a Cuomo troll, while at the same time demanding that he prove his case?? What’s your case for him being a Cuomo troll, other than that he’s not sufficiently cheerleading for Nixon? This is the same logic you used to accuse people who couldn’t support Hillary of being Trump trolls. I’ll keep saying this, Diane – you’re better than this.
Dienne,
I don’t believe I have ever seen “Ed” on this Blog, and I have read all 498,000 comments.
To attack a candidate running on Cuomo’s left as anti-union is suspicious. Cuomo has an army of trolls. He has also cowed unions by threatening those that dare not to support him. He has specifically cut off funding for three small progressive groups, as you will read in my 11 am post.
I am surprised that you would rush to defend an attack on a progressive candidate who is directly challenging the hedge fund managers and their favorite governor, who has called himself the charter school champion.
I thought better of you.
You have an odd definition of “attack”, Diane. Stating what Nixon said? That’s an attack? Questioning whether she supports single payer? That’s an attack?
And please stop bringing up Cuomo. You’re smart enough to understand that questioning Nixon is not the same as support for Cuomo, especially when someone explicitly says they’re not a Cuomo supporter.
Trolls always begin by saying, “Like you, I am a loyal —-, but…”
I have yet to see even one of the troll-like attackers on Cynthia Nixon post this quote in which she supposedly said all union workers were evil and greedy and lazy.
Just the typical innuendo you know was coming from these self-described “progressives” who never miss an opportunity to tell you how evil and corrupted a candidate that the right wing hates is. It’s just a coincidence they hate the same Democrats that the right wingers do.
What is the exact quote that Cynthia Nixon said that has Trump defender dienne77 and troll “Ed” up in arms?
What is this evil position she has? Did she say she was abolishing the transit union and every other union?
Maybe Joel can chime in here about why he finds Cuomo so much more appealing than Nixon because of this evil anti-union statement Nixon made about how she planned to wipe out all unions in NY.
Please use direct quotes and don’t tell me what you are certain that Nixon “meant” by her statement.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/21026/cynthia_nixon_andrew_cuono_unions_labor_mta_new_york
Some unions in New York are currying favor with Cuomo by attacking Nixon and calling her “anti-union.” They assume that Cuomo will be re-elected and will reward them after the election. He is their boss.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/21026/cynthia_nixon_andrew_cuono_unions_labor_mta_new_york
The fact that Cynthia Nixon is being attacked for what are among the most innocuous remarks about shared sacrifices is ridiculous.
I WISH that the attacks on the teachers’ union were nearly this innocuous.
Compare this to the attacks that Cuomo makes about lazy and worthless union teachers. ‘Somehow that doesn’t bother the other unions but talking about shared sacrifices does?
FYI — there seem to be alot of people on this blog who post whose support of public education is not very strong. They support public schools until someone who is happy to undermine and destroy them gives them something else that they believe is more important.
But what is corrupt and dishonest is that they profess that they have the moral high ground as they throw public education under the bus. Vote for Cuomo because Cynthia Nixon dared to talk about shared sacrifices and I’m morally superior to you because I recognize that talking about “shared sacrifices” is much more evil than a decade long concerted effort to underfund public schools and make them underwrite charters that then pick off their cheapest to teach kids.
Their values are not mine. They don’t really value public education. And they are holier than thou hypocrites who pretend their abandonment of public schools is somehow “morally superior”.
NYCPSP,
There have been numerous, enldess attacks on the AFT, and if you read other localized blogs and works of advocates, such as the luminous Francesco Portelos, you will get zillions of comments of UFT members who are appalled by the UFT and its indifference to educators.
Sorry, but the unions have taken a beating just as much as those who you think don’t deserve to take a beating. The only difference is that those educators’ voices are not heard in mainstream media, and that’s by design.
NF,
I have no idea what your comment is supposed to mean.
I am waiting for someone to tell me exactly what this supposed horrific “attack” Nixon made on unions was. What horrifying statement did Nixon make that causes these people to post how she is corrupt and anti-union and just waiting to destroy all unions once she is elected?
Why don’t you tell me exactly what this horrifying quote that Cynthia Nixon said that demonstrates her complete and utter betrayal of all unions.
I’ll be waiting. Probably forever. I’m just calling the bluff of the people expressing the faux outrage about Cynthia Nixon and her corrupt embrace of all that is anti-union because she is owned by billionaires.
What is this terrible and awful “assault” Nixon made on unions that created this much faux outrage by the very same people who didn’t have a problem when Bernie Sanders fought so hard to help DFER ‘s choice of Governor turn Virginia into a charter friendly state.
I’m sure Nixon’s attack on all unions must have been far worse than anything some DFER governor would do, right? So what was this awful thing she did?
Call my bluff. Because I’m calling the bluff of the rabid Nixon critics. And they haven’t come up with anything yet.
NYCpsp, do you know what “reading between the lines” means? Are you capable of doing it when the words are uttered by a politician?
Since you are either incapable of doing so, or else are disingenuously pretending, have a lesson in the ABCs of politics: when elected officials or people running for office start telling working people about the need for “shared sacrifice,” it means that workers are about to get royally screwed for the transgressions of the Overclass, with that mythic “shared sacrifice” (the Overclass shares nothing unless/until it forced to, as history reliably demonstrates) intended to be a lubricant.
If you knew what’s best, you’d stop commenting here, for every statement you make further reveals your ignorance, foolishness and inability to reason.
Michael Fiorillo,
So what you are saying is because Cynthia Nixon uttered the two words “shared sacrifice”, I am supposed to know that what Cynthia Nixon REALLY meant was:
“workers are about to get royally screwed for the transgressions of the Overclass”.
Seriously, you have to be kidding me. The view of some self-described “progressives” is that Cynthia Nixon uttered the words “shared sacrifice” because she is really in the pocket of the overlords. We should ignore every other thing that Cynthia Nixon has said and done and only focus on those “hints” — like the two words “shared sacrifice” that you condemn me for not understanding means she plans to sell us out to the overclass.
Don’t worry, I know lots of self-described progressives will be repeating that non-stop for the rest of the campaign. After all, uttering the words “shared sacrifice” is much worse than being the DFER politician of the month and wanting to turn Virginia into a DFER state.
Being DFER politician of the month is perfectly fine and makes you a such a great “progressive” candidate that Bernie Sanders himself will fight to elect you.
But uttering the words “shared sacrifice” demonstrates that you are simply a tool of the overclass.
We shall have to agree to disagree. But keep attacking Nixon for such terrible “crimes”. If only she had simply endorsed DFER she could have earned Bernie’s endorsement,
I never attacked Nixon, and in fact said I was glad she’s running and will probably vote for her.
However, you can’t/refuse to distinguish between criticism of a very foolish statement on Nixon’s part – that it was misguided at best and a dog whistle at worst – as an attack on her.
You’re intellectually dishonest, or ignorant, or both.
I occasionally pop over to …
The 74 (Campbell Brown, Richard Whitmire, et al)
and
Education Post (Peter Cunningham, Erika Sanzi, et al).
It’s interesting to see which education-related stores get covered, and which don’t, and of course, how those stories are covered.
Let’s look at a recent example.
After KIPP’s Mike Feinberg — one of the most prominent and powerful figures in the corporate ed. reform movement — went down in flames for molesting and sexually harassing both students and teacher staff — with one such circumstance resulting in an out-of-court settlement with the victim that was hidden for two decades — do you think that there might have been … oh … say …a great piece by Richard Whitmire reflecting on the meaning and impact of Feinberg’s demise?
No, not a word.
Regarding the Feinberg fiasco, do you think Peter Cunningham or someone else on EdPost’s paid staff might chime in with an op-ed to address what happened?
Nope, again. Not a word.
It’s like it NEVER … FREAKIN’ … HAPPENED.
How about those state-wide teacher strikes: the recent successful one in West Virginia, and the ones about to happen in states such as Oklahoma and Kentucky?
Nope again, not a word.
As with the rest of the corporate media, they’re scared to death that people will see what’s happening there, and then decide to follow the teachers’ example.
So what DOES merit coverage on Campbell’s and Peter C.’s websites?
Well, here’s a piece trashing Cynthia Nixon, of course, (which actually turns out to be a dual trashing of Nixon and Diane Ravitch.), in an attempt to derail or weaken her chances in the upcoming election race she faces with incumbent NY Governor Andrew Cuomo. The writer attempts to draw a specious parallel between Nixon’s lack of experience in politics, and TFA teachers lack of experience in teaching … Gotcha! You’re a hypocrite!
If posting trash like this doesn’t expose Campbell and Peter C. as total corporate whores, then I don’t know what will?
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
PATRICK RICCARDS
(who, in his second paragraph, admits to being
“the leader of a state-based education reform organization” …
i.e. he’s getting paid, and paid well to write this piece):
“She has never sought political office before. She hasn’t paid her dues working on the campaigns of others, slogging through multiple state legislative sessions, or holding a thankless office. She’s never had to pass a budget or manage a significant staff. The closest ‘experience’ she has is having played the daughter of a politician in ‘Tanner ‘88.’
” … ”
“New York politics is better than that. There is no need for Democratic politics in the Empire State to roll around in such rhetorical mud.”
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
from …
educationpost.org/cynthia-nixons-run-for-governor-is-looking-a-lot-more-like-hypocrisy-and-the-city/
Cynthia Nixon should apologize for attacking the contract of union workers. that was unconscionable. progressives CANNOT attack unions which are under such major assaults everywhere.
Excuse me, bit please document your claim that Cynthia Nixon attacked union workers. Sounds like a Cuomo troll idea.
Read my comment Diane . I would have supported her as well as many that I know personally . The Trade FB pages I referred to had substantial numbers of progressive members a few out right socialists . . . The inverse of what is found in the Industry where seventy percent voted for Trump . It was a “you have to be kidding me moment” for those of us who would have supported her against Cuomo .
Kind of like blaming teachers for the problems poverty and racism create.
You can’t seriously consider supporting Cuomo.
He is the hedge funders’ puppet.
Remember that Bernie Sanders endorsed Tom Perriello, the DFER politician of the month, to be Governor of one of the few states whose
Governor DFER didn’t yet own entirely. Bernie tried hard to change that by fighting for Perriello so DFER could own Virginia, too. Just like Bernie helped Cuomo by sitting next to him at a rally to praise him for fighting so hard for a “free college” program with lots of strings attached.
You didn’t hear any posters on here attacking Bernie for that the way they are now attacking Cynthia Nixon for doing something far less damaging to public schools. Lots of posters who give Bernie Sanders and his pro-DFER candidates a pass who are hypocrites attacking Cynthia Nixon and trying to help get Cuomo re-elected.
NYC public school parent .
You remind of the paperboy in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off . Give it a rest
It’s funny to hear you justifying why the labor unions who you have a connection with support Cuomo.
I’m sorry you don’t like me pointing out your double standard. We get it — public education just isn’t nearly as important to you as the “trades” and if the only people that politicians are throwing under the bus are public schools, you don’t seem to care.
I’m on this board because public schools are more important to me than the union workers in the “trades”.
The difference between us is that I will admit to those trade offs and don’t pretend that the politicians who throw public education under the bus are more moral because they will pander to “the trades”.
Politics is about choices. If you don’t like Nixon because you are willing to sacrifice public schools, just admit it. Cuomo will pander to the trades so let’s overlook his corrupt public school dealing, right?
For the record, and to try to inoculate myself against being called a Cuomo troll, I’ll state up front that I’m happy Nixon is running and as of this moment intend to vote for her, and perhaps work for her.
That said, for a self-described progressive candidate to direct a call for “shared sacrifice” to working people (especially for subway workers having to cope with years of official neglect of the system they work in) at this time is either the epitome of misguided/stupid (at best, and what I’m assuming is the case here), or a dog whistle from Nixon directed toward the Overclass, that they’ve nothing to fear from her.
Income and wealth inequality are now even greater than in the run-up to the Great Depression, and yet working people are supposed to engage in “shared sacrifice” with the people who’ve brought us to this point? No, and working people should see through that sham and refuse to support any candidate who won’t fight for universal material benefits – medicare-for-all, free/reduced college tuition, job guarantees for socially-needed work, etc. – that are directed toward the working class.
I’m willing to chalk Nixon’s comment up to mis-speaking/random foolishness (a common vice of politicians), but if she continues making nonsensical statements like this, she’s finished, if only because of her political tin ear.
Michael,
Do you hear yourself?
Cynthia Nixon committed the crime of saying there would be “shared sacrifice”!!!???
Now she must be sacrificed to the left wing gods of perfection!
I get sick hearing you imply that mentioning shared sacrifice could be a signal to the billionaires that she will do their bidding.
Shades of Hillary Clinton. This attack is truly rididculpus.
Guess what? I WANT shared sacrifice.
And most New York voters don’t have a problem with that. They DO have a problem when the lying trolls on here who don’t say that Nixon mentioned “shared sacrifice” but instead imply that she insulted and attacked the unions and plans to destroy them.
With what? A mention of “shared sacrifice”?? Off with her head! says Dienne77. How can she help but question whether we need to attack Nixon over and over again as a sell-out or not for that evil and terrible comment that proves how evil she is.
NYCPSP,
Au contraire, I encourage to keep on voicing yourself here on this blog. You mindset and rhetoric help so many of us sharpen our decision making as to what kind of democrats we would like to shape and generate for the future.
I still support Nixon, but attacking the TWU was not politically savvy of her. That does not render her disingenuous, but it might be showing some of her näivité.
Norwegian filmmaker,
Cynthia Nixon no more “attacked the TWU” than Bernie Sanders “attacked” the teachers union.
Please state for the record this terrible “attack” that was made on the TWU. Inquiring minds want to know more than hearing your innuendoes about this “attack’. Did she call them lazy greedy bums? Did she talk about their corruption and how they sexual abuse children?
Or maybe she “attacked” the TWU just like those lying and corrupt Democrats attack teachers’ unions. Did Cynthia Nixon insist that there were “good” non-union workers who should be respected for their good work?
Did she endorse “Democrats for Transit Union Reform” that fights against the transit union and did Nixon endorse their hand-picked candidate for governor of a large state where the transit union was still strong but needed to be undermined?
Please, tell me this evil thing that Cynthia Nixon said about the transit union. It must be AWFUL to make her the subject of such wrath by the very same people who don’t have a problem with DFER Democrats running Virginia. What was this terrible thing that Cynthia Nixon said? Direct quotes, please.
I’ll be waiting.
Some of you guys MUST be Cuomo trolls. Otherwise it’s hard to believe that you REALLY believe Nixon is not REALLY progressive, and yet Cuomo gets a pass!
Cuomo has had eight years to pass campaign finance legislation, better voting laws (e.g., same day voter registration), more equitable education funding, justice reforms like ending cash bail that puts poor people in jail who have not been convicted of anything. He is anti public-education, pro charter schools, pro using unreliable student tests to evaluate teachers, and pro tax breaks for people who contribute to religious schools. THIS is a progressive?
Hey, these are the very same people who claimed that Hillary Clinton was no better than Donald Trump so don’t even bother to vote for her.
It worked so well that now they are trashing Cynthia Nixon. Remember, she isn’t progressive enough so since she is absolutely no different than Andrew Cuomo, progressives should all stay home and not bother to vote at all.
Thank you, Dorothy.
You hit the nail on the head.
Yes, some Cuomo trolls jumped in, never seen here before. They attack Cynthia but ignore Cuomo’s record.
Right, Joel Herman has never been seen here before. Obviously a troll.
Sigh.
What?
Grow up.
Cuomo is a Republicn dressed up as a Donkey. Either way, he’s an ass.
We should NOT, as Arthur Goldstein suggests, condemn Nixon just because she made what I think is a thoughtless remark about the TWU. You first weigh how much good there is with the not-so-good. Then you decide if you going to support that person depending on his or her mixed proportions.
No doubt in my mind that TWU drives up costs for subway construction, but there are other major factors that are NOT being addressed that do the same thing. For example:
Is there enough tax revenue from other layers of society contributing to the subways? Or is that rhetorical?
Do developers and realtors, who benefit directly from subway improvements, pay specialized taxes or additional taxes?
Are vendors and sub-contrators really vetted and bid out to?
Are there robust systems in place to make sure that cronyism does not allow vendors to price gouge the government, or are there payoffs bewteen companies and donations to elected officials?
If there was a true, effective single payer healthcare system in place and child care in place, would TWU worker be asking for less money because those costs would already be covered, and they would not have to be as worried about them, as is the case in so many other countries?
H-m-m-m-m . . . . .
BTW:
http://nyceducator.com/2018/04/cynthia-nixon-andrew-cuomo-and-uft.html
NO ONE SAID CUOMO GETS A PASS!!! Ahem. Sorry for shouting, but this gets really, really, really tiring and frustrating. It’s just sad that so many people on a blog for teachers have such poor understanding of logic. “I have concerns about Nixon” does NOT equal “I love Cuomo”. Please tell me you really do understand that.
Dienne, let me explain.
Cuomo has $30million in the bank, collected from hedge funders and charter lovers.
He is ahead of Cynthia by 40 points in current polling.
Is this the time to attack Cynthia as insufficiently progressive when she is running a long shot campaign against a rightwing Democrat?
Sounds like you are now defending Hillary and attacking Bernie. You make my head spin.
Talk about spinning heads, where did I say anything about Bernie or Hillary???
In this gubernatorial race, Cuomo is the establishment candidate, CN is the outsider.
Let’s all support Nixon!!!!
dienne77,
You rushed to attack Cynthia Nixon for saying two words: “shared sacrifice”. Which “signal” to you as a progressive that she is a sell out just like Hillary.
On the other hand, Trump can say lots of words and do lots of things and you come on here to attack those who criticize him and explain to us from your moral perch that the dems are far worse and it’s all their fault and poor Trump who just isn’t being treated fairly. OMG, if you aren’t a troll, you should be.
“I have concerns about Nixon” because she used the words
“shared sacrifice”???!!! Time to slur and slime her with innuendo.
And then go back to defending Trump from all us meanies.
NYCpsp: Just a short one–dienne77 has NEVER, not ONCE written anything in defense of Trump.
&…hope you’ve read NYC Educator. Norwegian Filmmaker thoughtfully included a link to that blog for all of us to read (thanks, NF).
Thank you, RBMTK!
And big thanks to NYCPSP for keeping all of us on our toes. We’re the knives, and you, NYCPSP, are the knife sharpener.
Hey, dienne77 is on the warpath against Cynthia Nixon now. Wait until you experience some of her patented “I’m just pointing out how evil and corrupt Cynthia Nixon is and how awful and criminal she is but I’m not actually supporting Cuomo just because I bash Cynthia Nixon non-stop in the name of my “progressive values”.
I wonder how you will like it, Norwegian Filmmaker, when Cynthia Nixon goes down with the other “corrupt” Dems that dienne77 has made it her mission to attack.
While she also has made it her mission to defend poor Trump from all the mean attacks he gets.
I welcome Dienne’s voice on this blog. She’s no neo-liberal, for sure.
retiredbutmissthekids,
That is not true. Although I guess it depends on your definition of “anything in defense”.
If a troll constantly posts about how evil and corrupt Robert Mueller is, are they defending Trump or not? There are trolls who do that. They would claim they aren’t “defending Trump”, just doing their best to destroy anyone who criticizes him and shut them down. (I’m not saying that dienne77 has stooped to that – yet. I’m asking you whether you would say that a person who spends all her time attacking Mueller for being corrupt and evil would be “defending Trump” or you’d give her a pass because she is just attacking Trump’s critics and trying to undermine them so they can’t stop Trump?)
Here is what dienne77 does. She turns criticism of Trump into attacks on the critics and blames the Democrats.
My evidence is the two posts that dienne77 made after Diane Ravitch dared to insult the great Trump by making this post on April 14:
“How Low will Trump’s Courtiers Go?”
Dienne77’s response:
“Ekaterina bids me to say, you probably wouldn’t have too many nice words yourself if the FBI raided your attorney. How were you expecting Trump to react?”
And that was followed by a second post in which dienne77 gratuitously changed the subject from Trump and his minion’s terrible actions to how evil and awful the Dems are because they aren’t stopping some Trump appointment that they don’t have the power to stop.
Anyone who decides that the proper response to Diane’s post about the disgusting actions of Trump and his defenders should be to DEFEND Trump some more is defending Trump.
Anyone who decides that the proper response to Diane’s post about the disgusting actions of Trump by trying to change the subject and make it about the corrupt Dems instead — while saying absolutely nothing critical about Trump — is defending Trump.
Do you agree or not? If you come from the POV that there are legitimate citizens who believe in democracy who believe that the best response whenever there is criticism of Trump is to defend his actions and instead start attacking the Democrats, then we shall have to agree to disagree.
That is defending Trump by attempting to turn every criticism of him into an attack on the Democrats without ever once acknowledging everything that is wrong with Trump. It is like the Republican attack on Mueller. They claim they “aren’t defending Trump” but that is exactly why they are so determined to destroy Mueller and claim he is corrupt.
dienne77’s “criticism” of Trump reminds me of the Republicans in Congress. Every so often she tut tuts while she attacks Mueller and anyone else who has the power to stop Trump. So if you want to say dienne77 “never defended” Trump just like the Republicans who are trying to shut down Mueller “never defended” Trump, then I guess by that definition, it is true.
^and before my words can be misconstrued, let me state for the record that dienne77 has never, to my knowledge attacked Mueller. I was just pointing out that the Republicans who attack Mueller and work hard to undermine him are being disingenuous when they say they aren’t defending Trump’s actions.
Just like I believe that dienne77 is being disingenuous when she jumps in to one of Diane Ravitch’s posts that is all about the terrible things Trump has done and tries to change the subject to talking about how corrupt the Dems are instead. And then defends Trump’s actions because how can you blame Trump for being angry when Trump’s “attorney” is getting raided just because he pays off Trump’s affairs with his own money?
NYCPSP,
I will put this definitively:
So many of the things you say about other people: what they say, how they say it, what their motivations are and reasons are . . . .
You are off base, and your statements are simply . . . . not . . . . . true. If you continue this, you will eat into your credibility, and I find you intelligent enough to not want to jeopardize your voice on this blog. People want to listen to you. Now make them believe you with facts and not accusations.
Otherwise, you will been seen as a childish troll or a paid shill, and you are probably neither.
If you have stayed with this blog long enough, people like Duane Swacker, Fiorillo, Joel Herman, and Dienne are anything but trolls or neo-liberals or Trump supporters.
Make up your mind as to who you want to be, on this blog and in life . . . . .
NF,
“Ekaterina bids me to say, you probably wouldn’t have too many nice words yourself if the FBI raided your attorney. How were you expecting Trump to react?”
I question why you think this is the proper response to a post about some of the terrible things that Trump has done.
I question why – when the discussion is about Trump’s bad actions — you excuse the people who want to change the subject to how we can blame the evil Democrats instead. Or how Trump’s behavior is really justified because people are treating him unfairly. (Funny how that is exactly what the Republicans in Congress always do.)
You didn’t address the two comments that dienne77 posted in a discussion about Trump which are the subject of my comments. Why?
Instead, you attacked me for pointing out that dienne77 sure seemed desperate to change the subject of the post — criticism of Trump — to more Democrat bashing and defense of Trump.
I have no idea what dienne77’s “motivations” are when she offers the same exact response to criticisms of Trump that right wing trolls make. I have no idea what dienne77’s “motivations” are when she turns a discussion of Trump’s wrongdoing into bashing Democrats for not preventing it!
I just know that it is wrong. And I question why you attack me for pointing out how wrong it is.
There is something disingenuous about a self-described “progressive” who always changes the subject from how bad Trump is to how bad the Democrats are.