Commonweal magazine published an interview with Sister Jordan, a Catholic nun who confronted Paul Ryan on his CNN Town Hall about the policies he wants that will hurt the poor.
Sister Jordan is fearless and has a mission to do good in the world.
“Earlier this week, Sister Erica Jordan asked House Speaker Paul Ryan a pointed question during a CNN town hall forum with his constituents. Her question—and the Speaker’s answer—attracted a flurry of commentary and social media buzz. “A Catholic Nun Schooled Paul Ryan in Humility Last Night,” read a headline in Esquire magazine. The retired educator and principal has been a sister for 55 years. She is an advocate for immigrants who once a week visits the Kenosha County Detention Center in Wisconsin, where Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) rents space for immigrant detainees. A member of the Sinsinawa Dominican Sisters, Jordan describes herself as a “news junkie” who watches MSNBC, listens to National Public Radio, never misses PBS Newshour and often records the Sunday morning political shows. “There is something about being a Dominican that makes you want to soak in knowledge,” she said. “My mother said when I started going to a Dominican high school they were ruining me because they were making me so opinionated. My senior year I was thinking of going into a particular convent but then I found out the sisters were not allowed to read newspapers. I said, ‘Oh, no that is not for me.’” Commonweal contributing editor John Gehring interviewed Sister Jordan over the phone.
“John Gehring: You asked Speaker Ryan a challenging question that called out Republicans for not standing with the poor and working class. Why was it important for you to ask this particular question?
“Sister Jordan: It’s unconscionable that our elected officials feel free to do what they’re doing right now taking away health care, threatening Social Security and Medicare. It is just wrong. Speaker Ryan is a leader and he seems to be totally complicit in this way of thinking. I want him to really think about my question. I’ve been so distressed by this Congress and going through what we did during the health-care debate. There is such a disregard for the common good and the poor. It makes me angry. I do believe he is a man of faith, but I think he is misguided.
“JG: Ryan said he believes that both of you share the same core principles of wanting to help the poor and provide quality health care. But he said there is “prudential judgement in processing our faith.” For him, he said, that means “mobility, economic growth, equality of opportunity.” What did you think of that answer?
“SJ: Those are all good things but you can’t take supports away from people who are vulnerable, sick, need health care, and can’t pay premiums. I think he is really naive. Trickle-down economics has never worked. The budget is cutting programs in a way that hurts the poor. I wonder how often he talks to poor people. I don’t think he has much opportunity to really talk to people who are struggling. I felt he was pretty condescending. He started his answer by saying “spoken like a great Dominican nun.” It felt like a pat on the head, which is the way sometimes people treat sisters.”
Read the whole interview. The last line is priceless.
I love this woman.

I read the last line of the interview (as well as the entire interview). I am somewhat uncomfortable calling a Roman Catholic nun a liar. But I find it very hard to believe that she really wants a rock-ribbed evangelical Christian (Mike Pence) to be the president of the United States.
If she waved her wand, and Donald Trump was no longer the president, and she got her wish, that is what would happen.
It confirms the old adage. Be careful what you wish for.
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Sister Jordan is no liar. She sees the absence of any ethical or moral core in Trump and she wants it gone.
Pence might be worse, but we will deal with the miscreants one at a time.
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A worrying point which brings up another adage: Stuck between a rock and a hard place. So far as I’ve read, Pence is deep inside ALEC’s pocket. Imagine what legislation ALEC has already waiting to be pushed through congress and signed.
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We or most of us are in shock and horror at the daily Trump Show. I’d like to see him resign in disgrace like the good sister probably would. Doesn’t make me a liar, just a very frustrated individual. Absolutely Pence could be worse, just as bad or a teeny tiny smudge better. What the hell choice do we have at this juncture? Trump is giving dog whistles to Nazis, the KKK and other assorted nudniks, it’s beyond the pale of normal human decency.
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Joe Take your pick: Russia or the Religious Right.
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Charles,
Sister Jordan does not want Pence to be President; it’s more like, for now, that she does not want Trump to be president.
I’m with Sister Jordan.
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She needs to read the US Constitution. How can a person want the current president “out”, without having the current V-P “in”?
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Charles,
Don’t belittle a woman whose contribution to our society is far greater than your own.
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I am not belittling anyone.
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Thank you to Sister Erica Jordan for fighting the good fight but the only thing that would get Ryan’s attention would be a truckload of cash for his campaign fund and/or a lightning bolt to his cerebellum. Ryan is an Ayn Randite who has no empathy, no compassion for the poor and the struggling. Quite the opposite, he regards the poor as moochers who don’t try hard enough, who should have saved more, should have gotten a better education and a better job. Welcome to the GOP, the Tea Party, the soulless jerks who value the billionaires far more than ordinary mortals.
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Adding, Ryan needs a special jolt to his cerebral cortex, frontal lobe.
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Joe,
Thanks to Sister Jordan for pointing out the stark contradiction between his political goals and his claim to be Catholic. She is a social justice Catholic. He is a fraud.
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Considering that Paul Ryan received Social Security dependent survivor’s benefits as a teen when his father died, and that money was put aside for him, which he then used to help pay for college, I guess we can call him a moocher, too.
He’s one of those “I got mine, screw everyone else” types.
We should ask him to repay the SS funds he received, in today’s dollars, with interest.
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What a nice thing to wake up to. I feel like I went to mass!
This shift to “outcomes” reminds me of what has happened with education. Even Democrats believe in it. I have heard Democrats from Dianne Feinstein to Elizabeth Warren talk about this accountability.
JG: Ryan said we “need to change our approach to fighting poverty. Instead of measuring success on how much money we spend or how many programs we create or how many people are on those programs, let’s measure success and poverty on outcomes.” Is that a reasonable argument?
SJ: It has to be both/and. Programs like vocational training and education that he talks about are good, but that doesn’t mean you pull out the survival mechanisms for people. We can’t dismantle the systems that care for people who need to be cared for. I can’t figure out why this wealthy country can’t figure this out.
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Why do we call people who have no basic understanding of Math or Economics or Society
“Smart ” . Punitive policy somehow must equal smart.
“There is a very interesting contrast in media coverage of House Speaker Paul Ryan. In Washington policy circles Ryan is treated as a serious budget wonk. How many reporters have written about the fact this serious budget wonk has repeatedly proposed eliminating most of the federal government. This was not an offhand gaffe that Ryan made when caught in a bad moment, this was in his budgets that he pushed through as chair of the House Budget Committee.
This fact can be found in the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) analysis of Ryan’s budget (page 16, Table 2). The analysis shows Ryan’s budget shrinking everything other than Social Security and Medicare and other health care programs to 3.5 percent of GDP by 2050. This is roughly the current size of the military budget, which Ryan has indicated he wants to increase. That leaves zero for everything else.
Included in everything else is the Justice Department, the National Park System, the State Department, the Department of Education, the Food and Drug Administration, Food Stamps, the National Institutes of Health, and just about everything else that the government does. Just to be clear, CBO did this analysis under Ryan’s supervision. He never indicated any displeasure with its assessment. In fact he boasted about the fact that CBO showed his budget paying off the national debt. ” Dean Baker . .
John Nichols take on that Town Hall confrontation.
https://www.thenation.com/article/paul-ryan-debated-a-nun-and-the-nun-won/
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Did the good sister take Obama by the ear when he put Social Security cuts on the table in the first place? What about when he cut heating oil subsidies in the middle of one of the coldest winters on record? What about when he made educational funding competitive, meaning that the poorest and neediest schools got the least? What about when he protected the very bankers who crashed our economy and left millions homeless and destitute?
Did she take Clinton by the ear when he enacted NAFTA and welfare “reform”?
By no means do I excuse anything the Republicans have done and, since apparently I need to repeat this endlessly, yes, the Republicans are odious and have pursued a lot of truly devastating policies. But the good sister’s steady diet of “left-wing” (sic) neoliberal media probably make her pretty unaware that the Democrats have done their fair share of reverse-Robin Hood crimes too. If she really is that desperate for knowledge, she should expand into some truly left-wing sources like Democracy Now, Counterpunch, the Intercept, the Guardian (although they too have become a bit too centrist lately as well), al Jazeera, etc. The Republicans couldn’t do what they do without the complicity of the Democrats.
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Dienne, you are playing the Whataboutism game. This Sister has devoted her life to serving others. I don’t know what she did or did not do for the past 25 years, other than give her life to others. Can’t you accept the goodness before your eyes without saying, “but what did she say to Obama?” Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It won’t be me.
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Agree with Diane. The sister has committed her whole existence to helping the poor. She has made sacrifices which would be unacceptable to most of us. The sister does not need to pass some kind of ludicrous political litmus test, ideological nit picking for the sake of nit picking. For all I know, maybe the sister did confront the Democrats or lobbied them in pursuit of helping the poor and needy.
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agree with Joe and Diane
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Knowing (and having worked for) the Sinsinawa Dominicans, my answer to your question is most probably yes. They fight for the disenfranchised no matter who is in charge and tend to shy away from partisan politics.
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Diane My guess is that the single thread that holds together ALL politicians’ anti-Roosevelt policies is the group of oligarchs who no longer see themselves as even partly responsible for the country they live in. And it’s not about paying more or less than someone else (a view that became evidence in a recent news event). It’s rather about ratio: make more, pay more.
Also, WOW–do I know what it’s like to feel like some man is “patting me on the head” little girl, instead of responding to a discussion as a political and social equal–a most sickening feeling. I’ve never done a head-butt. However–a confession: I have thought about it from time to time in my life.
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I remember getting that pat on the head when I was at a panel discussion at Fordham University. Some guy told me to start first, ladies first. I wanted to body slam him.
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Now that would have been something to see, Diane. 😄
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Maybe we could get additional funds for NPE by having Diane body slam deformers of our choice!
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LOL!
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The spirit is willing, the body not so much.
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I watched that discussion between the very brave Dominican Nun and Ryan. Ryan is a fool and tried to sidestep her concern. Why would I expect anything else from him.
Thank you, Sister!
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Wonderful. There was no occasion in this interview, BTW, for Sister Jordan to have anything to say about what the Obama administration did or did not do for the very poor. So that’s a nonissue. Was really lovely to read this. Sister Jordan is doing what she is supposed to do. Reminding people to behave with common decency.
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