Back in the days when I was on the Dark side, ensconced in the well-funded right side of the political spectrum, I was very close to Checker Finn. Checker and I were like brother and sister. We wrote a book together. We wrote essays and manifestos together. We laughed together. Our families were friends.
One thing we always agreed on: students should have much more than the basics of reading and math. We criticized NCLB for its limited focus on reading and math and nothing more. We believed that students should have classes in history and literature taught by superb teachers. We were strong advocates for the humanities, and we even organized conferences promoting the humanities.
So, imagine my surprise when I saw that Checker recently endorsed computer-based instruction! Aka “personalized” learning, which I call depersonalized learning.
Checker wrote:
“I am 200 percent in favor of personalized learning, defined as enabling every child to move through the prescribed curriculum at his or her own speed, progressing on the basis of individual mastery of important skills and knowledge rather than in lockstep according to age, grade level, and end-of-year assessments. (I’m 200 percent opposed to the “let everyone learn whatever they want to whenever they want to learn it” version.)
“There is nothing beneficial to kids about declaring that every ten-year-old belongs in something called “fifth grade” and that all will proceed to “sixth grade” when they get a year older, get passing marks from their teachers, and perform acceptably on “grade-level” tests at year’s end.
“That’s not how it worked in the one-room schoolhouses of yesteryear, and it’s oblivious to the many ways that children differ from each other, the ways their modes and rates of learning differ, how widely their starting achievement levels differ, and how their interests, brains, and outside circumstances often cause them to learn different subjects at unequal speeds—and to move faster and slower, deeper or shallower, at different points in their lives, even at different points within a “school year.””
Checker is now a member of the Maryland Board of Education. So he is not just theorizing.
I wrote a note to Checker, whom I have seldom seen in the past eight years:
“Dear Checker,
“Despite our ideological and political differences, I do love you. I always will.
“That said, I could not disagree more with your article about children being taught by computers. We used to write articles and even a book together about the importance of the humanities, of humane teaching and learning. You know, I know, that children will never learn to love history and English from a computer. They get turned on by a teacher who loves literature, loves history and is passionate about sharing it with students.
“You went to a great school with teachers like that and small classes. Didn’t you sit around a table, just 12 of you, and discuss and listen and learn? Didn’t you send both your kids to the same kind of schools? Why would you want other people’s kids plunked in front of a computer all day? That’s not the kind of education we once believed in and advocated for.
“Diane”
I warned him that I planned to blog about his endorsement of computer-based instruction.
Checker responded:
“The main answer is that you misread my case for personalized learning as if it consists of strapping kids to a computer and having them learn only that way. I never said or wrote that and I don’t think it. The technology–“blended learning” style–can be a huge assist to the teacher, school and pupil and liberates the kids in part from the disadvantages of “batch processing.” One thing I’ve learned in recent years is that even high priced private schools with small classes are NOT always good at dealing with the educational needs of gifted kids and others who for whatever reason don’t fit in with the current lesson plan. Some gifted teachers manage differentiation much better than others but it’s really hard to do and the wider the spread within the class (and of course the larger the class) the harder it is to do. Technology can help a bunch but it’s not INSTEAD of teachers; it’s a supplement.
“Best, Checker”
If all he meant was to use computers in the classroom, that’s a duh moment. That’s nothing new! What is being sold these days as “personalized learning” is the use of technology for embedded instruction and assessment, all while data-mining. As New York Commissioner MaryEllen Elia once explained at a meeting of NYSAPE members that I arranged, annual tests will no longer be needed when assessments are embedded, and students are continuously assessed. That’s personalized learning: moving at your own speed through a scripted curriculum.
At best, we have a misunderstanding. At worst, Checker will lend his considerable influence to methods that will standardize teaching, remove the need for great teachers, demoralize teachers, and subvert the teaching of the humanities.
Sad. So sad.

Teachers need to assist with personalization. They look at the whole child’s strengths and weaknesses
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The only way computer based “personalized” learning can be justified is if education is viewed as stuffing a set batch of “stuff” into a student’s head. Some kids can swallow that “stuff” faster, some slower. But that’s such a limited view of education and it’s sad that someone of Finn’s education, background and standing holds that view.
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and I think it is past time to carefully look into what the “stuff” is — who is now writing our kids’ curricula?
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ciedie aech Yes–the curriculum. That’s the snake under the bed where education and technology are sleeping together.
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great language use! 🙂
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There is no more curriculum. It’s all standards all the time. The purposeful misuse of standards to stand in place of the curriculum enables the “we can measure student achievement” lie. It’s all part of the supposed scientizing of public education in order to ultimately denigrate it so that it will have to be rescued.
Disgustingly, there are far too many teachers and adminimals, the vast majority, who are Go Along to Get Along Good Germans willing to turn a blind eye to the very harmful effects of “Testucation” (as noted Aussie educator Phil Cullin has labeled it). The unions have been a part of the problem also in turning their heads when they haven’t been in outright collusion with the edudeformers.
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if education is viewed as stuffing a set batch of “stuff” into a student’s head
sad that someone of Finn’s education, background, and standing holds that view
Precisely, Dienne.
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Imagine an education system in which there were no graduations, or grade levels, or grades. At the end, a test is given to determine whether the student gets a Ph.D. an MA, a BA, a HS diploma or a Certificate of Attendance. One shot: one and done. Whadya think?
Most people’s immediate response would be “that’s stupid,” because it is. Human beings need indicators of progress and indicators of success to keep going. In the subject I teach I refer to “Ladders of Success” often and encourage students to craft their own. “To get from where you are now, to your goal, what intermediate steps would tell you you are making progress?” is my question. Without such indicators/markers many give up … heck, many give up even with them. Just because we are terribly used to labels like “Fifth Grade” doesn’t make them devoid of value to fourth graders, for example.
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A few comments on the article itself:
“to “cult of efficiency” experts circa 1920”
It would be nice if Finn had credited who originally showed that “cult”-Ray Callahan in his seminal “Education and the Cult of Efficiency” back in the early 60s.
” Immense adult interests now depend on that arrangement not changing very much, except (of course) for spending a bit more every year.”
If I may decode that. Union thugs want no change except higher paychecks. Really? I believe that there are many districts in this country that have little to no increase in funding, and some even less funding than before. Maybe my memory is wrong on that account, but I don’t think so.
“Another major reason it endures—and another huge obstacle for the personalizers—is public complacency. Besides expecting children to attend schools that resemble those of their parents (and grandparents), we have ample evidence from a hundred surveys that most Americans are pretty content not only with those schools (at least those they know best) but also with the system as a whole. Those who are discontented can opt into something (slightly) different if they’re wealthy; if discontented and poor, however, they don’t have (or, in many cases, even expect to have) any real alternatives”
YEP, most parents indeed are quite satisfied, even love their community public schools that brings folks together as they have for quite a long time. Finn, a supposed conservative, is championing the destruction of those community public schools in favor of a depersonalized automaton education. Really Chester? Do you really know what is best for everyone else’s kids? Sounds very hubristic, egotistical and takes a lot of gall to pontificate so righteously, eh Chester!?!
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“But doing this right will either take a hundred years into the future or demands an education earthquake that will demolish almost every structure we’ve built over the past hundred years.”
And, Finn would choose the latter. Conservatives do not destroy that which is good about society. So where does that leave Chester? A regressive progressive anarchist???
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Finn and his organization are very well compensated for touting the Common Core test prep worksheets on a screen that are referred to, these days, by the Newspeak name of “personalized learning.”
I have reviewed hundreds of these products/programs/software suites. They are almost all completely dreadful–soulless and spirit deadening. (But keyed to standards from the Common Core Curriculum Commissariat!!! Step right up, for one thin dime–well, actually, for a LOT more than that. . . . we will teacher proof your classes and ensure that you become an A school as measured by those all-important standardized tests. Pay no attention to the opportunity costs–to replacing education with training. Roll over. Sit up. What’s 2 + 5? Good boy. Proceed to the next level. We have cute avatars!!!)
BTW, I used “curriculum” in “Common Core Curriculum Commissariat” quite purposefully, for these products almost universally turn the “standards” into a narrow (I mean, really, really narrow) curriculum map. So the next time an education deformer protests to you that “the standards are not a curriculum,” point them to these godawful programs.
Eventually, ed tech will give us something quite different–immersive educational experiences. Imagine being present at Gettysburg or riding in Hector’s chariot.
But the current junk is NOTHING like that. A few years back, the Gates Foundation and the Department of Education were touting various kinds of invasive monitors–galvanic response wrist bands and the like–to hook up to kids to keep track of their emotional states when they were doing their worksheets on a screen. These would have served one useful purpose–alerting the teacher when the kid was falling asleep from being bored to death by the current generation of mind-bogglingly stupefying “personalized” learning software. Kids rapidly see through the cheesy avatars and hokey reward systems built into this software. They have excellent crap detectors, and recognize more worksheets on a screen when they encounter them. This is 1950s-style programmed learning with a fresh coat of pixels.
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“Eventually, ed tech will give us something quite different–immersive educational experiences. Imagine being present at Gettysburg or riding in Hector’s chariot.”
History in all its finest details can never, yep, never come close to being reproduced in the actual events that occurred. Never. Unless mankind comes up with time travel that actually transports a human being back in time (or the future) to experience first hand the events you referenced. And we know that isn’t going to happen, ever. Yeah, I’m saying never. Might there be simulations, of course, but that is not the history itself. We can only approximate what has happened in the past and that approximation is woefully inadequate, even with events that happened oh, a week and a half ago in Charlottesville.
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Yes, of course, Duane. You are certainly right about this. And the potential for falsifying in the creation of these immersive experiences is enormous, troubling.
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History is always a story that we tell ourselves about the past given what details we have uncovered, what we choose to attend to, what we are currently capable of understanding given what we are, and what available narrative structures we overlay this material with. But we must do history as though our goal is to arrive at the truth. And then we must debate vigorously our interpretations.
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Concur, Bob, concur!
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Diane Below are two articles linked in Education Week. (The articles end for me–I’ve used up my freebie-views, but a new viewer may be able to get the whole thing–CBK.)
The first article considers the privacy of student information against the “need” for educational research. The problem with THAT is that “educational research” is fast coming under the umbrella of those who are less interested in informing educators and educating students than in making a profit off of students and the schools they attend. Clue: Privacy is “getting in the way.”
The second article is about the Chan-Zuckerberg personalized learning thing. To listen to the hype, you’d think it was only about helping teachers teach–and like your other post about selling schools, so-called reformers don’t easily reveal that they want to privatize and control everything beyond the reach of public oversight, and destroy the institution of public education along the way.
“Are Student-Privacy Laws Getting in the Way of Education Research?” By Sarah D. Sparks
August 11, 2017
“Education research can be a high-wire act between districts and researchers, balancing the need for straightforward access to data—and frank conversations about study results—with protection of student and teacher privacy. . . . If Louisiana’s two-year-old privacy law is anything to go on, that balancing act may get a lot trickier for researchers as states move to protect student data. That’s according to researchers speaking at a symposium at the National Center for Education Statistics annual meeting in Washington recently. Considered one of the strictest in the country, Louisiana’s law bars school districts from sharing nearly all personally identifiable… ”
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/08/11/are-student-privacy-laws-getting-in-the-way.html?cmp=eml-enl-dd-news2
SECOND ARTICLE at http://www.edweek.org:
“The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Ed-Tech Industry: 5 Insights from Jim Shelton The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Ed-Tech Industry: 5 Insights from Jim Shelton”
“The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative wants to make personalized learning investments in products that will help teachers engage students and meet their individual needs, says Jim Shelton, who is helping guide the organization’s efforts. Read more.”
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“The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative wants to make personalized learning investments in products that will help teachers engage students and meet their individual needs, says Jim Shelton, who is helping guide the organization’s efforts.”
This is making the assumption that teachers are incapable of engaging students and meeting their individual needs. It is all based on a false premise. Well, it’s based on a false premise until you start bringing in TFA and non certified teachers. Anyone else see where this is going?
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The makers of these “educational” software programs really need to learn something about motivation. Extrinsic rewards are demotivators for cognitive tasks:
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Welcome to the Gulag. We have personalized [sic] task for you. You break up that rock.
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We should subject “reformers” to the “batch system.” When cookies are burned, we toss them in the trash. That is exactly where depersonalized learning belongs along with all the other reckless schemes and lies from “reform.” The only reason depersonalized learning is being touted as the next big thing is that we have billionaires and publishing companies lining up to sell their products and get their hands on public funds. Depersonalized learning is just electronic dittos.
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“Depersonalized learning is just electronic dildoes for mental masturbation?”
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The current software is VERY GLITZY. Very bright, very colorful, with lots of bells and whistles–avatars, levels, multimedia libraries, lots of reporting features to give the illusion that students are “making progress.” This junk shows well to administrators in sales meetings. But peel it back a bit, and it’s almost always nothing more than very dull, very narrowly and unimaginatively conceived exercise sets (one exercise per standard) that kids rapidly come to view as interminable and excruciating.
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Thanks for your excellent analysis of “digitalized personal” learning, Bob.
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Good to see Bob Shepard back. I too have also looked at the cutesy gamification software.
You said: “Pay no attention to the opportunity costs–to replacing education with training. Roll over. Sit up. What’s 2 + 5? Good boy. Proceed to the next level. We have cute avatars!!!)
The avatars are cute…. for a while.
Here is one of those “cute avatar” programs, ClassDoJo, said to be used in 90% of classrooms, data-mongering all of the time. ClassDoJo has these following “essential” third party services, all of them having their own privacy policies. I have removed the active links.
Amplitude—for mobile analytics
Branch.io —for deeplinking into ClassDojo apps
Coconut.co —for video encoding
CrowdIn —for crowdsourcing translations
DataDog —for monitoring and visualizing our server performance
Facebook —for simple, optional social sharing
Fastly —for delivering content through our service faster
Filepicker —for uploading user photos
Google Analytics —for analytics on our websites
Librato —for monitoring our performance metrics
Loggly —for tracking errors on our website
MongoLab —for securely storing and organizing data
Optimizely —for testing different versions of our website (“A/B testing”)
Papertrail —for logging errors that occur on our apps
Parse —for sending push notifications from our mobile apps
Pubnub —for managing realtime communication data
Redis Labs —for securely storing and organizing data
SendGrid—for sending email updates to teachers and parents
SurveyMonkey —for sending surveys to teachers and parents
Twilio —for text-based invites to ClassDojo
Twitter —for simple, optional social sharing
Youtube—or video content. Videos are included using “Privacy-Enhanced Mode”
Zendesk —or organizing and handling support requests
Then for the “wee ones” there is the ABCmouse.com Early Learning Academy for ages 2–8. For a subscription fee of $7.99 per month or $79.99/year you receive an app (for ipad or iphone) that can be used by up to three children. The app offers “a standards-aligned curriculum” (reading, math, social studies, art, music, more) intended to build “a strong foundation for academic success.”
The curriculum is being expanded to higher ages/grades levels and for use internationally through a program that teaches English as a second language.
This is a patented delivery system. It is built on a legacy of programming from the creators of the NeoPets online, sold in 2005 to Viacom’s MTV Networks Groups.http://www.ageoflearning.com
Like many of the programs marketed for “personalized learning, materials at ABCmouse are cutesy wootsie versions of worksheets and workbooks.
I think parents, and Chester Finn, should look as these materials and ask what students are NOT learning from these programs, especially at ages 2-8.
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As usual from you, Laura, cogent argument and real research. Wonderful.
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all that glitz is really bad for children. You know this clearly – I’m only chiming in because we’ve lived it. Thank you for your great posts Bob Shepherd and respondents below!
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Diane, you seem to have forgotten. Humane learning is for the children of the lords of the new feudal order. Training for the proles.
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Bob Shepherd–always on target, thanks for your appropriate and well-informed outrage.
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Outrage is pretty cheap these days, but thanks, Ira.
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Personalized learning is nice for ed reform because it is literally the only thing they offer for parents and students in public schools.
Read any of DeVos speeches. After the obligatory public school bashing and charter/voucher promotion she launches into a sales pitch for ed tech product.
That’s for us. Our schools are the market.
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Go, Diane!
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Go and look at the photographs they choose to include in ed reform promotional materials, including those at the US Department of Education.
They choose photographs of children on computers.
I’m not saying it’s a plan. I’m saying it’s an echo chamber. There’s no real debate about this. They decided personalized learning was beneficial and that’s the end of that- they roll it out. We’re in the roll out phase.
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At a local school that I know well, all of the media labs are unavailable for about months of the year because the kids are using them for practice tests, benchmark tests, or state tests. This school is not unusual or exceptional. Most have this problem, I think. The blame lies neither with the schools nor with their administrators, for they are doing what they are required to do, but with state school systems entirely warped and distorted by the emphasis on standardized testing and school grading. So, on what devices, exactly, are kids supposed to be doing all this personalized [sic] learning?
What’s the solution to that problem? Give all the students tablets? The track record there has been terrible. Pass out the tablets, and a few weeks later, so many are broken that one cannot conduct a class using them. We’ve seen that time and time again. Put desktop machines for every kid in every classroom? Who, exactly, is going to pay for that? We’re talking MANY billions of dollars for machines and tech support. And why spend that money? So that students can have inferior, narrowed, scripted, excruciatingly dull programmed instruction? (But, but, . . .avatars!!!)
This stuff is nowhere near ready for any sort of rollout. So far, ed tech has been, basically, a theatre of the absurd. But the investors in all those ed tech startups, as you say, are seeing dollar signs. Like the ointment salesmen of the 19th century, they’ll try to get out of town before the people using their cure-alls start getting really sick.
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cx: three months of the year
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Nice to see you back, Bob!
The “solution” my district is pushing: have the kids use their own cell phones. The superintendent, who is big into every kind of technology, supposedly did a survey and found that 2/3 of junior high and 3/4 of high school students have their own phones, so we are being told to have kids use cell phones to even write essays. It’s appalling, and I refuse to do it, but I’m amazed at how many teachers have fallen for the siren song of “technology.”
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“The blame lies neither with the schools nor with their administrators, for they are doing what they are required to do, but with state school systems entirely warped and distorted by the emphasis on standardized testing and school grading. ”
This is one that we are going to disagree on Bob. Yes, those “administrators” and teachers are to blame. To use the “Well, it’s the law” is not sufficient reason whatsoever. They could choose to stand against the evil of “testucation”. They choose personal expediency over justice for the students and for that they should rightly be condemned for without the willing participants, the evil cannot happen:
“The mass of men [and women teachers and administrators] serves the state [education powers that be] thus, not as men [educators] mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailors, constables, posse comitatus, [administrators and teachers], etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt.”- Henry David Thoreau [1817-1862], American author and philosopher.
And in choosing that expediency over justice:
“Should we therefore forgo our self-interest? Of course not. But it [self-interest] must be subordinate to justice, not the other way around. . . . To take advantage of a child’s naivete. . . in order to extract from them something [test scores, personal information] that is contrary to their interests, or intentions, without their knowledge [or consent of parents] or through coercion [state mandated testing], is always and everywhere unjust even if in some places and under certain circumstances it is not illegal. . . . Justice is superior to and more valuable than well-being or efficiency; it cannot be sacrificed to them, not even for the happiness of the greatest number [quoting Rawls]. To what could justice legitimately be sacrificed, since without justice there would be no legitimacy or illegitimacy? And in the name of what, since without justice even humanity, happiness and love could have no absolute value?. . . Without justice, values would be nothing more than (self) interests or motives; they would cease to be values or would become values without worth.”—Comte-Sponville [my additions]
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You got this one wrong. Checker is right. There’s a place for teacher and computer learning. Discrediting all computerized learning in every situation is short-sighted. There are times when students do not understand certain concepts and it is critical they have another viewpoint. In fact, I found the best teachers used some form of computerized learning. I will also share the biggest secret of the top 2% income and education levels. During the summer months their students spend some time using free Khanacademy. By saying don’t use computers to learn keeps the poor and uneducated in their place. If you really cared about upward mobility you would support using some form of computerized learning.I hate to say this, but not all teachers are equal. Not all computer programs are transparent. Khan offers a unified curriculum. It’s coached or self directed learning. Why are you against it. We who care about education should embrace it. Just saying.
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I, too, am excited about the potential of computerized learning to reach people without resources That a kid with a cell phone in some impoverished country can go to Khan Academy and learn calculus is important. I concede that. I myself have listened to quite a few lecture series online, and I am grateful for those. But I also stand by the comments I’ve made above about most of the K-12 ed software I’ve seen. Much of it is dreadful.
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Bob Shepherd I hear that: “But I also stand by the comments I’ve made above about most of the K-12 ed software I’ve seen. Much of it is dreadful.” Probably overkill–they smell the money and the obsess over it–their own worst enemy: themselves.
But “we” cannot argue well without giving the devil his (sic) due, so to speak. I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but technology is like money–money is not the root of all evil; rather, it’s the love of it that’s evil. Technology is not the problem; it’s the the vast field of low-level human intentions behind it that’s the problem.
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Good point, Catherine.
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Usually Right Watch for it, however. The “it” is that the ACTUAL good of technology (which I doubt Diane or anyone here would dismiss), for “reformers” is only the camel’s nose under the tent. Also, I have heard lots of good thing about Kahn Academy for years now. But from my understanding of it, it’s free AND so far it doesn’t try to privatize education or supplant the teacher or the local school board authority, or bad-mouth public education, in its preparation for corporate takeover. I don’t know but my guess is that Kahn is understood as competition by “reformers” and privatizers.
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Carol, Khan has received quite a lot of financial support from the “reform” community–in particular, from Mr. Gates, and I commend him for that. I hope that it will continue to be a free service, supported by philanthropy. It’s pretty cool that anyone, anywhere, with the minimal resources needed to get access to it, can go online and learn from it.
I’ve seen a lot of negative stuff about Khan Academy on this blog, but I personally have had excellent experiences with it. I enjoyed very much going onto Khan and watching the videos until a whole layer of measurement tracking was added to it a couple years ago. When that happened, I lost interest entirely. As soon as someone starts saying, “Nice job, Bob! Go to the next level,” I get ill. See the video on extrinsic vs. intrinsic motivation that I linked to, above.
The math teachers at my old school found it useful to send kids to Khan to learn about and practice particular stuff that the kids were having problems with. My beef is not with Khan but with the commercial K-12 ed software that I’ve reviewed over the past decade or so. Junk, mostly.
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Not sure why I wrote “Carol.” I meant Catherine. My apologies.
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Not all Kahn lessons are good lessons, but it is a start. Nothing is wrong with a simplistic approach to teaching. But the presence of any internet source is dependent upon an infrastructure that is presently designed to make money flow into the provider’s pocket.
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Roy Turrentine writes: “Not all Kahn lessons are good lessons, but it is a start. Nothing is wrong with a simplistic approach to teaching. But the presence of any internet source is dependent upon an infrastructure that is presently designed to make money flow into the provider’s pocket.”
Yes–even with Kahn’s good intentions (it started out that way) the underlying structure is potentially corrupt because it depends on the decisions and good will of the autocrat. And at some point, they easily can move from (1) helping to (2) controlling in the educational environment.
Oddly, it’s worse in some sense with corporate ownership, because they are systematically about providing income for stockholders and large salaries for their CFOs, or at least presently. Even so-called nonprofits can have background writings that would make tobacco executives blush.
So at the level of foundations, with oligarch money OR Wall Street money as financial ground, the corruption is that, even with government money flowing into schools, the quality of education (and its curriculum) is broken-away from its ground in public institutional support and its democratic Constitution (funded by a fungible publicly controlled tax base) and becomes tied to (1) a very nice oligarch (who can easily and arbitrarily change) and/or (2) corporate ownership which has, at best, a split foundation: profit and/student service, where profit is commonly first in line.
Public education funded by tax dollars is no guarantee, as we all know. But at least it has the right and best foundations for providing education for all, which is needed for the survival and thriving of a constitutional democracy like ours.
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I’m not sure anyone here is saying no computers PERIOD. But let me give you a personal example. About 10 years ago the parents of the elementary school my kids attended wanted to start bringing some technology into the classroom. It started out buying a few computers every year for students use, mostly so that they could start to learn how to use them and type. We were eventually able to create a computer lab with enough computers that an entire class could rotate in once or twice a week to do just that. From there the older students started using them for research and creating power point presentation on the reports they were doing in class. And finally, if they could fit it in, they started teaching the students basic coding. Real world programs and computer uses and hopefully beneficial in their future.
A few years ago, our district decided to float a technology bond. Upgrade some systems, security (major selling point) and to bring more technology to the classroom. My beef then as it still is was that you can have all the technology in the world, but if you don’t have people to maintain it and train people how to use it, it is just a pile of junk sitting in a corner.
The district started sending over all kinds of technology because they had to spend the bond dollars. We literally had IPad sitting in a closet for over a year because we could not get them hooked up to the district Wi-Fi and even if we could, the pipeline wasn’t big enough to handle all the data. Not to mention, you can’t use bond dollars on salaries so nobody could address the issues.
Then came the chrome books nobody ordered. Carts of them.
Then came the testing. We test kindergarten students after a couple of weeks. Need to start ranking and sorting them right off the bat. Now we have crap like Teach to One Math foisted on us and Amplify for ELA. The teachers did not ask for it and have no choice in using it.
Needless to say, we don’t have a computer lab anymore. District can’t afford the teacher. We now have a testing room that rarely sits empty.
I assume, this is what you mean by personalized learning.
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Is there any peer-reviewed data about Khan Academy?
I am sure that there are some decent programs out there. But, we’ve experienced so many bad ones and, frankly, I’m pretty tired of my kids being forced to try new personalized learning programs, just waiting for that silver bullet. They learned a ton this summer – and spent miniscule time in front of a computer – at various tech free camps while we both work.
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A thousand years ago I remember an inspiring high school English teacher who ended up standing on his desk, shouting as he practically acted out the poem ‘Gunga Din’. You can’t get that spark from a computer.
I know a (former) teacher who held her first grade reading groups around a “campfire” made up of real stones and a phony fire. She loved people and geography. In her youth she bicycled across the United States. To help pass that passion along to her students she built floor sized puzzle maps which she cut out of 2″ thick wood with a scroll saw. Each puzzle piece was a county or a state or a country. She bought an almost life sized blow up igloo to help her kids learn about the cold places in the world. After school, she taught them all how to play the ukulele. She heard that someone had stolen the notebook of a third grade student who happened to be a Russian immigrant. A brand new notebook filled with all kinds of goodies was waiting for the student the next day. When the girl came to pick up her gift the teacher asked her to describe what life in Russia was like to the first graders. She taught so many things that cannot be learned from just the written word or from a scripted curriculum; perseverance, excitement, enthusiasm, kindness, self-respect, compassion, thoughtfulness, and a thirst for learning.
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Computerized curriculum has invaded our language arts, math and science classrooms. It is all mediocre and glitch-prone.
I suspect a lot of teachers will welcome it because it pacifies students. Thus public schools’ unresolved discipline issues will fuel this take-over by crappy robo-teachers.
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This is one of the traps. It is easy. Assign a lesson. It will be automatically graded. Look out the window. Daydream. Assist kids with computer problems as the need arises.
But, of course, the kids quickly get bored with the crappy robo-teacher, and the discipline problems reemerge.
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Precisely.
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First, the reformies in my school tried to get me to “flip the classroom”, which meant I was supposed to STOP TEACHING during class and instead assign online videos, from Khan Academy and TedTalks for example, as homework, then spend class time testing the students on what they remembered about the videos. My answer was no. Noooooo!
When that didn’t work, they tried to get me to “blend” my classes, which meant to base class time on canned, “online instruction” with me as a tech advisor instead of a teacher. The answer was no. No!
When that didn’t happen, the whole district mandated use of an “online curriculum” that had me pretending to teach, but really just reading a script that went with the website. The answer was, Sure, I will obey your mandate and use the “online curriculum” (only when you’re watching).
When technophiles start talking about using tech as a “supplement”, beware! They are just trying to get their foot in the door. Flipping is their long term goal. Real teaching, as far as I will always be concerned, involves human interaction, pencils, pens, markers, paper, and books. Books, books, books, hurrah! And the tech just helps me project some material so I don’t have to spend so much time in the copy room. Real differentiation involves grouping and collaborating. They cannot get me to can my classes. They cannot have my students’ data. Not now, not ever. Any questions?
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Thank you.
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Finn needs to shut up and go crawl in a hole somewhere…..and take Petrilli and Smarick with him. I live in MD. We now have a voucher program (BOOST) because of Finn and it was found that of the initial 5 million to start the program, more than 75% went to students already enrolled in private/religious schools. Baltimore County MD is full on CBL and the corrupt Superintendent of that county resigned from his position to take a job in ed-tech (he was double dipping while a Super and giving ed tech contracts to the company he was working for). We are stuck with the CCRAP consorteum….thank you Finn, Smarick and Petrilli. The city is over run with charters, PG county (DC suburbs) over run with charters and corruption (they lost a huge grant for Head Start). Finn (along with Smarick and Petrilli) has his hands in all of it . Guess it’s good to know what his next great idea is going to be….but we already know how it will turn out.
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yes, we are full on CBE in Baltimore County. Its sickening. Which ed tech company was the Superintendent working for? I’d like to figure out which of the MANy shoddy programs our Kids in BCPS have used it comes from.
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@parent…I can’t remember the name of the company that he was collecting a paycheck from while also doing his Superintendent job, but I’m sure you can find it with a google search (an anonymous parent did a video that went viral). He was very involved with the SXSW conference of ed tech. He recently took a consulting position at an ed tech company. Find that video….it was shocking! I don’t know how he kept his Supes job after that got out….but he quickly changed the dialogue and I believe he stopped collecting that paycheck….at least for tax purposes!
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Thank you Diane Ravitch for posting about this. We are also parents of kids who were in the Baltimore County Public Schools- 6 year olds with their own $1400 tablets is such a waste of money, time, resources. There’s really nothing personalized about it. Unless you make it about the personalized data they are selling.
Kids can’t ask questions when you teach them by computer. Especially when they have headphones on.
20 minutes of lunch and 15 minutes of recess per day is not enough social time. Kids need their peers and their teachers, not another screen asking them questions. The class sizes in BCPS will be growing because of the money spent on tablets and just like Finn said, “gifted” kids no longer have one-on-one time with their beloved teachers because they are put on the computers to “excel”.
I don’t think it serves the “gifted”, the middle of class or the kids struggling. It just keeps everyone quiet. I wish we had not had our kids in BCPS, we don’t get those years back.
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I am in Howard Co and my children got the IPad pilot program in MS. NOT happy at all. The program ended after 3 years but the kids still have the old IPads….nightmare!!! Walk into the cafeteria and all you see are kids playing games on computers, connectivity is abysmal, assignments get lost in cyber space, screens are expensive to replace, power cords are expensive to replace, everything is a power point presentation. Not looking forward to Finn pushing CBL in MD. It’s bad enough that no one is listening to the complaints of parents in BCPS. I feel for you and your kids and what the county exec has allowed to happen to education in Balto Co. They should be using that money for the crumbling, un air conditioned, lead piped school buildings with leaky roofs and mold. The Gov fighting with KK doesn’t make it any better! And just a FYI….I really like the Gov, BUT his stance on education issues is awful because I think he leaves those decisions up to Finn and Smarick and he just goes along with what they say. I can NOTvote for him in the next election because he was supposed to get rid of Common Core and PARCC consorteum and then changed his mind (wonder why?… Finn, Smarick, Petrilli?).
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I am retired from elementary education after 30 years spent both in the classroom and as a school site administrator. I absolutely agree that using a computer to provide a child’s education is absolutely a horrible idea. We are social creatures and need interaction with others – to develop and grow as human beings – and to be able to share and bounce around ideas as our learning progresses. I can think of nothing worse than allowing a child’s main interactions to be with a computer.
But . . . I strongly believe that children should have more say in their education, and that there should be much more leeway in how they progress. There are times when children should be grouped so that the stronger students can serve as role models, but there should also be flexible grouping, or individual opportunities for students to investigate more deeply subjects that draw their interest – at a pace that suits them.
I do agree with some of what Mr. Finn seems to be saying – just not if it’s done in a cruelly isolating manner that will benefit tech companies more thsn it benefits the children.
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You are absolutely correct! I don’t mind kids having access to computers because they are a part of life. Computers can enhance instruction if done well, but the idea is to sit 30-40 kids in a classroom so that teachers aren’t really needed. The data collection is absolutely horrific! The imbedded tests are horrific! Finn would like this for the huddled masses in “slum like” school buildings…but not for his own grandchildren (who probably attend private schools?)
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Checker Finn says “I am 200% in favor of personalized learning”
Is that the math you learn from personalized learning?
If so, it will prepare you well for think tank wanking.
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lol
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