Dr. Betty Rosa, Chancellor of the New York Board of Regents, responded to a critical article by Robert Pondiscio of the conservative Thomas B. Fordham Institute in this post on the TBF website.
Pondiscio expressed disappointment that the Regents did not award an early renewal to several charter applicants. And he criticized the Regents for agreeing to drop the Academic Literacy Skills Test (ALST). I previously posted about the ALST, which was one of four tests that future teachers in New York must take and is redundant. Critics said that the Regents were backing away from literacy, which is absurd, since applicants must take three other tests that cover the same subject.
Dr. Rosa wrote (please open the link to see her many links):
In his April 5 commentary (“Education Reform in New York? Fuhgeddaboutit.”), Robert Pondiscio writes that “the era of high standards and accountability for schools, teachers, and those who train them…[is] over” in New York. I could not disagree more. The Board of Regents and I are forging ahead with our work to ensure that all students have access to high-quality teachers in high-quality schools led by high-quality principals. We simply have a different view of how to best deliver those things to our students.
To frame his argument that New York has lost its way, Mr. Pondiscio begins and ends his piece by pointing to two recent decisions by the Board of Regents—first, our decision to return to the SUNY Trustees ten applications seeking the early renewal of charter schools in New York City; second, our decision to drop one of the exams needed to become a certified teacher in New York State.
Let’s look first at the charter school decision. In making its decision to return the applications to the SUNY Trustees, the Board of Regents did not comment in any way on the efficacy of the schools seeking early renewal of their charters. Rather, the Board based its decision on the Charter Schools Act, which does not allow this kind of early renewal. It has long been the practice of all authorizers to renew charter schools in the academic year in which their charter term expires to ensure the most recent data is used in the renewal evaluation. Granting early renewals to the ten applicants would circumvent this accountability protection and result in charter terms ending many years from the conclusion of the current academic year—in some cases, the new charter terms would run all the way until 2025.
But there are bigger issues at stake here. As a senior advisor to a network of New York City-based charter schools, Mr. Pondiscio naturally has a vested interest in promoting the growth of that sector. As Chancellor of the Board of Regents, however, I have a very different outlook and a very different set of obligations. The Regents are responsible for the education of more than three million New York State children who attend traditional public schools, charter schools, nonpublic schools, and those who are homeschooled. As a Board, we are obligated to ensure that all those children have access, on an equal basis, to excellent schools and teachers. That responsibility extends to students with physical, intellectual, and emotional disabilities, students who speak little or no English, students who are desperately poor and homeless, and students who exhibit severe behavioral problems.
The Board of Regents will approve only those charter school applications that clearly demonstrate a strong capacity for establishing and operating a high-quality school. This standard requires a strong educational program, organizational plan and financial plan, as well as clear evidence of the capacity of the founding group to implement the proposal and operate the school effectively. The Board and I carefully consider those factors in deciding whether to open or renew a charter school. And we will consider those factors only at the time the law intends for us to make such determinations; we do not and we will not act prematurely to advance anyone’s political agenda.
Let’s also examine the Board’s recent decision to drop the Academic Literacy Skills Test (ALST) as a certification requirement in New York. Mr. Pondiscio described that decision as a vote “to make teaching a ‘literacy optional’ profession in New York.” A literate person might well use the word “hyperbole” to describe that over-the-top description of this change in certification requirements.
Here are the facts. Students in New York’s teacher preparation programs already take many courses that require them to read and write at a high, college level. Let’s not forget that teaching candidates must also take and pass four years of college courses to even reach the point of taking the certification exams—so they have already demonstrated that they possess the literacy skills needed to get through college.
The Regents took this action based on the recommendations of the EdTPA Task Force, comprised of college deans and professors, and after gathering extensive public feedback. These experts were concerned that the test is flawed, with many of the questions appearing to have more than one correct answer. In a recent interview, Charles Sahm, director of education policy at the conservative Manhattan Institute (Mr. Sahm was not a member of the Task Force that recommended the changes) noted that he took the ALST test; here’s what he said about it, “You can take it for $20 online. And I have to say, I only got 21 out of 40 questions right on the reading comprehension.” In short, the test is a flawed measure of literacy skills.
Even with this change, New York’s teaching certification requirements remain among the most rigorous in the country, requiring the vast majority of teaching candidates to pass three other assessments before earning certification; those assessments also require students to demonstrate literacy skills. We simply eliminated a costly and unnecessary testing requirement that created an unfair obstacle for too many applicants.
But let’s get to the crux of Mr. Pondiscio’s argument. He believes that education in New York is heading in the wrong direction. Again, I could not disagree more. The Regents are moving forward to bring greater equity to students in all our schools. And nowhere is this more evident than in the deliberative, transparent, and inclusive approach the Regents and Commissioner Elia are taking to develop our Every Student Succeeds Act state plan. Our goal is straightforward—we will submit to the U.S. Department of Education (USDOE) a plan that supports the development of highly effective schools and encourages and enables all schools to become or remain highly effective.
Critical to the success of our State plan is the way we approach the issue of accountability. In a recent post on the Brookings Institution’s “Brown Center Chalkboard” blog, Brian Gill nailed it when he wrote, “It is time for accountability in education to be liberated from its narrow association with high-stakes testing. A single-minded focus on one form of accountability overlooks opportunities to create a rich system of incentives and supports that employs multiple accountability tools to promote improved practice.” That single-minded focus on test scores did not help children in poor, low-performing schools. We will change that.
The ESSA state plan ultimately adopted by the Board of Regents will improve teaching and learning, and it will promote greater equity for New York’s schoolchildren. By improving teaching and learning, we seek to increase teacher effectiveness in providing high-quality instruction aligned with state standards while fostering a positive learning environment for all students. By promoting equity, we seek to reduce the gaps in achievement that currently separate whole groups of students.
One final note about accountability. I have said repeatedly that, ultimately, it is a parent’s decision whether to have his or her child take the state assessments. I have also said that no school and no child should ever be punished because of a school’s low test participation rate. At the same time, I believe that assessments can be useful tools—provided they are diagnostic, valid, reliable, and provided they yield practical and timely information to teachers, administrators, and parents. So our goal is to continue to improve our tests; when we do, participation rates will improve as a natural consequence.
For too long, New York has neglected the needs of too many students. I am proud to head a Board that is dedicated to changing that paradigm.
For what is worth, I would be happy to see New York state lead the way in abandoning the pointless quest for the right combination of standards and tests.
After twenty years of trying, we should have learned by now that what matters most is having expert professional teachers and giving them the autonomy to do their job with out interference by the governor or legislature. The belief that kids learn more if they are tested more has been a huge benefit to the testing industry, but it has done immense damage to public education. We should eliminate annual testing from federal and state law. My favorite model remains Finland, where schools are free of standardized testing, teachers are highly educated, teaching is a high-status profession, and politicians and think tanks don’t have the nerve to tell teachers how to teach.

Hear, hear! I wish more systemic leaders would take such well-reasoned stances!
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Having served on numerous hiring committees over the years, we asked applicants to free write on a particular topic while waiting to be interviewed. We found this simple task to be very revealing giving us insights into an applicant’s grasp of both literacy, thinking and voice. Unlike a resume that can be tweaked to perfection by relatives, a “free write” task is spontaneous, independent and authentic.
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retired teacher,
WOW. Simplicity makes sense. All the stuff goine are convoluded. Maybe that is the point…to make things convoluded so people are confused. Or maybe, those supposedly in charge are just convoluded thinkers.
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I hope that all “student teachers” can have teaching Professors who are like retired teacher.
I confess that I apply retired teacher’s technique, a “free expression” in both writing and talking on a particular topic.
Yes, this simple task will reveal and give us insights into an audience’s grasp of their intention, background, thinking and voice. May.
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Thank you
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“The New York Regents Lost their way”
They lost their way
On fateful day
When Tisch’s say
Was first OK
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Bravo, Dr Rosa! Finally, with your leadership, the NYS Regents is heading in the right direction (or headed back to where we once were before the Feds started interfering).
However, you have a lot of nonsense to surmount before we get our “schools” back. And we, as parents, teachers, and administrators, have your back.
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“In short, the test is a flawed measure of literacy skills.”
One of those statements that as kids we would have said “No shit Sherlock”.
First the COMPLETELY INVALID test measures nothing. There is no universally agreed upon standard unit of learning in the teaching and learning process (and no, counting the number of correct answers is not “measuring”) nor is there an exemplar of that standard unit, which means there can be no “measuring device”, hence there is no “measure”. Is there assessment, judgement and/or evaluation going on? No doubt but those are not the same as measuring the teaching and learning process.
The most misleading concept/term in education is “measuring student achievement” or “measuring student learning”. The concept has been misleading educators into deluding themselves that the teaching and learning process can be analyzed/assessed using “scientific” methods which are actually pseudo-scientific at best and at worst a complete bastardization of rationo-logical thinking and language usage.
There never has been and never will be any “measuring” of the teaching and learning process and what each individual student learns in their schooling. There is and always has been assessing, evaluating, judging of what students learn but never a true “measuring” of it.
But, but, but, you’re trying to tell me that the supposedly august and venerable APA, AERA and/or the NCME have been wrong for more than the last 50 years, disseminating falsehoods and chimeras??
Who are you to question the authorities in testing???
Yes, they have been wrong and I (and many others, Wilson, Hoffman etc. . . ) question those authorities and challenge them (or any of you other advocates of the malpractices that are standards and testing) to answer to the following onto-epistemological analysis:
The TESTS MEASURE NOTHING, quite literally when you realize what is actually happening with them. Richard Phelps, a staunch standardized test proponent (he has written at least two books defending the standardized testing malpractices) in the introduction to “Correcting Fallacies About Educational and Psychological Testing” unwittingly lets the cat out of the bag with this statement:
“Physical tests, such as those conducted by engineers, can be standardized, of course [why of course of course], but in this volume , we focus on the measurement of latent (i.e., nonobservable) mental, and not physical, traits.” [my addition]
Notice how he is trying to assert by proximity that educational standardized testing and the testing done by engineers are basically the same, in other words a “truly scientific endeavor”. The same by proximity is not a good rhetorical/debating technique.
Since there is no agreement on a standard unit of learning, there is no exemplar of that standard unit and there is no measuring device calibrated against said non-existent standard unit, how is it possible to “measure the nonobservable”?
THE TESTS MEASURE NOTHING for how is it possible to “measure” the nonobservable with a non-existing measuring device that is not calibrated against a non-existing standard unit of learning?????
PURE LOGICAL INSANITY!
The basic fallacy of this is the confusing and conflating metrological (metrology is the scientific study of measurement) measuring and measuring that connotes assessing, evaluating and judging. The two meanings are not the same and confusing and conflating them is a very easy way to make it appear that standards and standardized testing are “scientific endeavors”-objective and not subjective like assessing, evaluating and judging.
That supposedly objective results are used to justify discrimination against many students for their life circumstances and inherent intellectual traits.
C’mon test supporters, have at the analysis, poke holes in it, tell me where I’m wrong!
I’m expecting that I’ll still be hearing the crickets and cicadas of my tinnitus instead of reading any rebuttal or refutation.
Because there is no rebuttal/refutation!
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And as is my wont, Señor Swacker, I will riff off of your comments to repeat a long-ago (but still apt) description of the weakness of the rheephorm-minded “mathematical intimidation” crowd that tries to divert, distract and deceive by using pointless figures and stats.
From Banesh Hoffman, THE TYRANNY OF TESTING (2003 republication of the 1964 edition of the 1962 original, pp. 143-144):
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People who put their trust in correlations would do well to heed Aesop’s fable, “The Lioness and the Fox”: “A lioness who was being belittled by a fox for always bearing just one cub said, ‘Yes, but it’s a lion.’”
A person who uses statistics does not thereby automatically become a scientist, any more than a person who uses a stethoscope automatically becomes a doctor. Nor is an activity necessarily scientific just because statistics are used in it.
The most important thing to understand about reliance on statistics in a field such as testing is that such reliance warps perspective. The person who holds that subjective judgment and opinion are suspect and decides that only statistics can provide the objectivity and relative certainty that he seeks, begins by unconsciously ignoring, and ends by consciously deriding, whatever can not be given a numerical measure or label. His sense of values becomes distorted. He comes to believe that whatever is non-numerical is inconsequential. He can not serve two masters. If he worships statistics he will simplify, fractionalize, distort, and cheapen in order to force things into a numerical mold.
The multiple-choice tester who meets criticism by merely citing test statistics shows either his contempt for the intelligence of his readers or else his personal lack of concern for the non-numerical aspects of testing, importantly among them the deleterious effects his tat procedures have on education.
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Thanks for the opening!
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Correction for the last line of Hoffman:
“importantly among them the deleterious effects his tat procedures have on education” should read “importantly among them the deleterious effects his test procedures have on education.”
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Yes, quite apropos.
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Dr. Rosa’s last paragraph is like music to my ears! It is long past time when politicians and bureaucrats got out of the teacher’s way and let him/her do the job for which s/he is MUCH better prepared than are they!
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OK. I’m a NYC public school teacher and I just have to weigh in on this. Maybe Dr. Rosa should talk to the real boots on the ground who are willing to give her an honest evaluation of the current state of affairs in New York. First, I just finished scoring the NYS ELA exam. It is a poorly designed test that can be easily manipulated. In writing, students can literally copy quotes from the text without any understanding and receive credit. The savvy teacher instructs their students to copy huge chunks and – miracle of miracles – a student who speaks no English demonstrates understanding of Bartleby the Scrivener. Woe to the teacher who isn’t gaming the system.
Speaking of testing, between the ELA, Math, MOSL’s, NYSESLAT, and Regents exams, we spend a good chunk of April, May and June testing. Next week, we begin MOSL and NYSESLAT testing. The week after that, we add the Math test to the MOSL and NYSESLAT. I feel sorry for the kids. If I were a parent, I would be in an uproar over this….And by the way, the MOSL is only given to rate teachers.
Now let’s talk about how English Language Learners have been thrown under the bus by the new Part 154 regulations. Most students who aren’t proficient in English no longer receive direct English Language Instruction. They are now expected to somehow understand The Treaty of Versailles while magically learning English at the same time. Maybe osmosis? I’m not sure. Oh, and if you are a lucky content teacher with the 12 additional magical credits in teaching English as a second language, you will be blessed in getting all of the students who can’t say hello in English in your Chemistry class.
Sorry for the long post but I’m tired of listening to the pundits who aren’t in the classroom.
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So true RL. In PA, 1st ELL students who arrived after 5/5/16 are not required to take the ELA portion of the PSSA. But ALL ELL students are required to take the math portion. For “participation purposes only” sure, right. ELLs who have been in the program for 3years or less are allowed one-to-one translation dictionaries (if available in their language) and a verbal, on-site translator (again, only for certain languages). Some students have to take all 3 sections of math in one day. Sometimes the lone translator has a family emergency and calls in sick. Why are we basically torturing these students? It’s a form of child abuse, plain and simple. These tests show nothing that can improve the current year’s instruction. By the time the results arrive at the school, the current school year is over and the student has moved on to the next grade. It’s not used as a report card grade. The PSSA has inappropriate on-grade language that is sometimes untranslatable. It benefits no one except the test-writing companies. As teachers, we are not allowed to look at the test beforehand, talk about the test to colleagues, even have a cellphone sitting in our desk. Because, you know, we might take pictures of these mentally abused students crying, having anxiety attacks, throwing up, etc. And if you think that’s just the 3rd graders, think again. The whole testing scam is just that. Students are learning one thing only, how to game the test.
I once took a class based on how to interpret test-taking questions. It was very useful because they highlighted various word combinations that try to trick the reader into selecting the wrong answer. Maybe that’s how Dr. Sham got 21/40 on the online ELA test he took.
I am so tired of students answering TDA questions. But thanks to David Coleman and Bill Gates and Common Core, we might never see another Dumas, Poe, or JKRowling because “nobody gives a $h!t about your feelings.” It’s a sham what we are forced to do in the name of education.
Can I report myself, my colleagues, my school, my district, my state, the DOE, for “child abuse”?
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Not “can I” but “Will I. . . “
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After rain, everything will be bright. I profoundly admire Dr. Rosa for her wisdom and courage.
There are many meaningful sentences in DR. ROSA’s POST from which all conscientious educators would tacitly agree. Once, all educators implicitly understand and they will rectify the course of action = all rivers will become a sea of force that uproots all obstacles with ease.
Parents, students and teachers in UNITY are the IMPORTANT and strongest force in number to sustain HIGH QUALITY American Public education. Back2basic
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Finally, somebody in authority who talks sense.
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What credibility could Fordham possibly have? One of their two office locations is in Ohio. -education debacle central- from the billion dollar taxpayer fleecing by contractor schools to the testing tsunami that required abandonment, so that the state could have h.s. graduates.
Are there no mirrors in Fordham’s offices?
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Dr. Rosa’s inspired leadership is largely responsible for our daughter, who has learning disabilities, achieving a high school diploma. Though her grades in all subjects were A’s & B’s, she had a lot of difficulty demonstrating that knowledge in the format demanded by social studies Regents. The Board of Regents’ June 2016 rule change, providing to IEP students an alternative route to a local diploma by passing English & Math Regents along with a school director’s certification of competence in the other subjects, have made it possible for her to be graduating high school this June. She’ll be attending CUNY/Guttman College in September.
Thank you, Dr. Rosa, for making our dreams a reality!
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To RL and Mary Louise:
Would you ever ask how Mafia do drug trafficking and human trafficking with safe protection? Also, how GOP successfully supports Trump’s administration that breaks all rules and regulations?
The answer is in people’s INCONSISTENT attitude and fear of the unknown consequence.
IMHO, local authority or jungle law mostly supersedes general laws. In the same vein, regardless of CCSS, teachers and principal are the direct cause or authority to abuse students if they comply with the “ORDER” that is conflict to their morality.
Teachers DO NOT NEED to report anyone, but teachers need to be like water, NOT MOUNTAIN, in order to be adaptable to all situations and to reach out students’ confidence and together with the co-operation from students’ parent = successful OP OUT movement.
General cannot have any power if there are no soldiers = CCSS cannot apply to students if there is OP OUT MOVEMENT.
In short, parents, students and teachers in UNITY are the IMPORTANT and strongest force in number to sustain HIGH QUALITY American Public education. Back2basic
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Dr. Rosa is truly an educator and leader. I thank God everyday she believes what she does….the last four sentences says it all.
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