I am writing this post for the journalists who cover education. Please fact-check every word that DeVos says. She literally doesn’t know what she is talking about.
This is the New York Times’ report on Betsy DeVos‘ press conference at Brookings.
She claims that the Bush-Obama policies of test-and-punish failed because throwing money at the problem doesn’t work. Any teacher could have told you that NCLB and Race to the Top were failures, not because they threw money at the problems, but because they spent money on failed strategies of high-stakes testing, evaluating teachers by test scores, closing schools, and opening charters.
She is so ill-informed that she would be well advised never to speak in public.
Her comparison of selecting a public school to hailing a taxi is offensive: schooling is a right guaranteed in state constitutions, taking a cab or car service is a consumer choice. She was echoing her mentor Jeb Bush, who compared choosing a school to buying a carton of milk, when he addressed the GOP convention in 2012.
As you will see if you read the account in the story, she has the unmitigated gall to say that her crusade for consumer choice in education–whether charters, vouchers, homeschooling, cyberschooling, whatever–serves the “common good.” What an outrage! Providing a high-quality public school,in every zip code serves the common good. Tossing kids to the vagaries of the free market subverts the common good. Anyone who has been reading this blog for any period of time has learned about the entrepreneurs who open charter schools to make money, about the sham real estate deals, about the voucher schools that teach science from the Bible, about the heightened segregation that always accompanies school choice. Wherever George Wallace and his fellow defenders of racial segregation are, they are rooting for DeVos.
Furthermore, she is utterly ignorant of the large body of research showing that charters do not get better results than public schools, voucher schools get worse results, and cybercharters get abysmal results.
Then she makes a crack about how America’s scores on international couldn’t get worse. She is wrong, and Grover Whitehurst should have told her so. Our scores on the international tests have never been high. Over the past Hal century, we have usually scored in the middle of the pack. Yes, our scores could get much worse. We could follow the Swedish free-market model and see our scores tumble.
Grrr. It is frustrating to see this kind of ignorance expressed by the Secretary of Education, although Arne Duncan should have lowered our expectations.
Please read “Reign of Error” and learn that test scores are the highest ever for whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians (although they went flat from 2013-2015, probably in response to the disruptions caused by Common Core); graduation rates are the highest ever; dropout rates are the lowest ever. When our students took the first international test in 1964, we came in last in one grade, and next to last in the other. But in the years since, our economy has surpassed all the other nations with higher scores. The test scores of 15-year-olds do not predict the future of the nation.

I couldn’t agree with you more, Diane. This is utterly frustrating. How is it that our country has accepted this ‘choice’ narrative for so long in spite of the evidence?
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I put in this reply for the wrong post, so I’m repeating it here (sorry).
I’m very tired of hearing people like Ms. DeVos say, “money is not the solution”. Money is almost always the solution to problems! For example, it’s the solution for improving veterans’ health care, strengthening the military, and building a wall. It’s also the solution for fixing America’s crumbling infrastructure. And if that isn’t enough, it’s also the solution for bringing top talent to the government and private industry.
Why are schools always treated as immune to the forces of capitalism? Free enterprise seems to matter only when connected to some conservative ideological goal, like “choice”.
Want better teachers? Pay them more! The carrot works much better than the stick, as every decent business knows.
Want school buildings that aren’t decrepit? Pay for upgrades and new construction.
Want teaching of 21st century skills? Then skip the low-level “personalized learning systems” that only teach to the test. Pay-er invest-in laboratory equipment, media centers, robotics, field trips, etc.
Want character, grit, creativity and self-confidence? Get rid of the punitive and obedience-driven no excuses model. Instead, pay for well-trained, committed teachers, so students are always learning from the very best: teachers who are professionals, who know how to inspire, and who can serve as coaches, mentors, advisors, and at times even surrogate parents.
Money can buy all those things. The only question is why Americans prefer to spend it not on schools but on locking people up in prisons, which is the darker and much more expensive alternative.
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DLP, Your statement is eloquent. You should send it to your state newspaper and USA Today as an op ed.
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Clearly DeVos subscribes to the prosperity gospel wherein God favors the folks who make the big bucks, the worthy receive riches, and the poor are getting their just reward for past sins. All those chilluns attending public school, as well as their families just ain’t worthy enough for her brand of religion. So she co-opts the phrase, “the common good” to make it sound like she cares. And when she talks about throwing money at something, what she means is, “Throw your money at me and my worthy corporate brethren for we are God’s chosen ones…” Clueless on so many levels, not just education.
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Priscilla,
You got it right.
Clueless.
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Trump and DeVos are destroyers of public education (among other things), but the Democrats must also be watched carefully, as this article by Carl Petersen shows:
The Bipartisan Attack on Public Education
By Carl Petersen
https://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Bipartisan-Attack-on-P-by-Carl-Petersen-Education-170330-975.html
March 30, 2017
If you are depending on the Democrats to stop the Trump/DeVos plans for privatization, you should probably take a closer look.
“I think the best thing that happened to the education system in New Orleans was Hurricane Katrina.” – Democrat Arne Duncan
There is no doubt that Trump’s Education Secretary, Betsy DeVos, is a clear threat to our public education system. Despite “analysis [that] has shown that charter schools [in her home state of Michigan] perform more poorly than public schools”, DeVos has not only pushed to grow the charter industry in the state, but also fought to ensure that charters are not held accountable for the public funds that they receive. For example, last summer, “the DeVos family contributed $1.45 million over two months…to Michigan GOP lawmakers and the state party after the Republican-led Legislature derailed a bipartisan provision that would have provided more charter school oversight in Detroit.” And now Trump has given her the opportunity to spread policies that are “destroying learning outcomes” nationwide.
While claiming to oppose DeVos’ policies, the Democrats do not have a track record that is much better. In the spirit of 1984, groups like Democrats for Education Reform substitute clever phrases like “new, accountable public schools” in place of the word “charter”, but their true motives were betrayed when they sent out a press release congratulating the Mayor of Washington, DC for “an annual increase of 2.2% to the per-pupil facilities allotment for public charter schools over the next four years, the awarding of two school buildings for long-term lease to charter schools, and the release of two excess school facilities for proposals from charter schools.” Six of the seven Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) Board members are Democrats, but that has not stopped the District from becoming the largest authorizer of charter schools in the country or from allowing these publicly funded private schools from operating largely without oversight. Newly re-elected Board member, Monica Garcia, who attended the Democratic convention as a Clinton delegate, was cited by the Los Angeles Times as the only School Board Candidate “who would not categorically state that she opposed private-school vouchers, which are being pushed by the Trump administration.”
The foundation of charter growth in the LAUSD was partially built by current Congressional candidate, Yolie Flores, who is also a Democrat. As an LAUSD Board Member, Flores introduced the misnamed “Public School Choice” resolution which let “charter management organizations apply to run new schools.” Knowing that this resolution would not be passed if it was appropriately labeled as being for the benefit of charters, e-mails attributed to Flores warns that messages supporting its passage “are emphasizing the charter aspect” and ask for “help in communicating to the Charter community that we cannot make my resolution about charters.” Similarly, her campaign’s website claims that she “will fight to protect public education” with no mention of charters. Educated voters should see past the obfuscation.
The CD34 special election is on April 4. I have endorsed Green Party candidate Kenneth Mejia.
Carl Petersen is a parent and special education advocate and was a Green Party candidate in LAUSD’s District 2 School Board race. He was endorsed by Network for Public Education (NPE) Action and Diane Ravitch called him a “strong supporter of public schools.” His past blogs can be found at http://www.ChangeTheLAUSD.com.
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There is a huge component of growth in schooling to learning how to get along socially — how to work together, how to represent yourself to an audience, and in public, how to interact with a teacher so as to learn what you’re interested in, how to show respect for others, etc. None of that can be measured in a standardized test.
And to do so would be like trying to choose my spouse based on a standardized test score.
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“None of that can be measured in a standardized test.”
NOTHING is “measured” by a standardized test.
The most misleading concept/term in education is “measuring student achievement” or “measuring student learning”. The concept has been misleading educators into deluding themselves that the teaching and learning process can be analyzed/assessed using “scientific” methods which are actually pseudo-scientific at best and at worst a complete bastardization of rationo-logical thinking and language usage.
There never has been and never will be any “measuring” of the teaching and learning process and what each individual student learns in their schooling. There is and always has been assessing, evaluating, judging of what students learn but never a true “measuring” of it.
The TESTS MEASURE NOTHING, quite literally when you realize what is actually happening with them. Richard Phelps, a staunch standardized test proponent (he has written at least two books defending the standardized testing malpractices) in the introduction to “Correcting Fallacies About Educational and Psychological Testing” unwittingly lets the cat out of the bag with this statement:
“Physical tests, such as those conducted by engineers, can be standardized, of course [why of course of course], but in this volume , we focus on the measurement of latent (i.e., nonobservable) mental, and not physical, traits.” [my addition]
Notice how he is trying to assert by proximity that educational standardized testing and the testing done by engineers are basically the same, in other words a “truly scientific endeavor”. The same by proximity is not a good rhetorical/debating technique.
Since there is no agreement on a standard unit of learning, there is no exemplar of that standard unit and there is no measuring device calibrated against said non-existent standard unit, how is it possible to “measure the nonobservable”?
THE TESTS MEASURE NOTHING for how is it possible to “measure” the nonobservable with a non-existing measuring device that is not calibrated against a non-existing standard unit of learning?????
PURE LOGICAL INSANITY!
The basic fallacy of this is the confusing and conflating metrological (metrology is the scientific study of measurement) measuring and measuring that connotes assessing, evaluating and judging. The two meanings are not the same and confusing and conflating them is a very easy way to make it appear that standards and standardized testing are “scientific endeavors”-objective and not subjective like assessing, evaluating and judging.
That supposedly objective results are used to justify discrimination against many students for their life circumstances and inherent intellectual traits is unethical and I assert unconstitutional.
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“Silly Attitude Test”
I know her 2.7 percent
We plan to tie the knot
Relationship is Heaven sent
Her SAT is hot!
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“DeVos Thinks She is Promoting the “Common Good” by Attacking Public Schools”
No she doesn’t. She doesn’t give a rat’s patoot about the Common Good. In fact, she doesn’t even believe there is any such thing. Let’s please stop pretending that neoliberals care about anyone but themselves. All we need to know is “greed is good”.
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Dienne,
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What is she?
A evangelical billionaire who is on a religious crusade. She does not believe in a separation between church and state. She doesn’t understand democracy. She sneers at those of us who disagree because in her world view, wealth signifies God’s favor. She obviously is favored more than the rest of us
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She is a neoliberal. Neoliberals believe in the power of the “free market” over everything. Eliminate the government, there is no such thing as “common good”. Transfer all public assets to private hands. Here’s a more full description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism Please tell me what part of that DeVos disagrees with.
Please stop confusing neoliberal with actual liberal. There are very few of the latter left. The former can be found in both parties, so also don’t get confused by political labels.
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If Betsy DeVos is a neoliberal, then I don’t know what the word means.
She is a hard-right reactionary Evangelical billionaire.
In her desire to blow up public schools, she is an anarchist.
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Yes, she is a neo-liberal. From wiki: Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.
Devos’s private sector in this is, as you noted Diane, the xtian fundamentalist dominionist private sector.
A truly unholy alliance of political and religious thought.
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Diane, Duane and I both provided definitions of neoliberalism. Perhaps you are confusing it with liberalism. The word simply refers to the idea that the “free market” (sic) should be allowed free reign over everything. Few if any government regulations, especially not on the “job providers” (sic). Privatization of public assets. It’s what both Trump and Hillary are. It’s what the majority of the both the Republicans and the Democrats are. They may have different ways of expressing it, but it’s the same underlying philosophy. It’s why both Republicans and Democrats have destroyed public education and unions and gone for “free trade” agreements and endless war.
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Neoliberalism is primarily an economic model and ideology which holds that absolutely everything under the sun is subject to market forces. Politics is secondary, a necessary evil intended to enable and support the pervading of market terms into every possible social relationship. Nothing is to be excluded, whether personal or public health (via the rampant profiteering our health care system is infamous for), education (via charters, vouchers and for-profit “universities”) or religion (via the prosperity gospel).
Neoliberalism has a Left and a Right wing, with much of the difference centering on social issues – LBGT rights, abortion, affirmative action, etc. – and whether there should be marginal protections (food stamps, school lunch, unemployment insurance, Medicaid and the like) to ameliorate the most destructive impacts of unfettered capitalism. The center/left wing of neoliberalism sees a need for such, while the right/far right wing seeks a condition of full-on, unrestrained class war.
The center/left wing of neoliberalism lies to itself and the rest of us about sheathing the claws of capitalism, pretending to do so, while continually sacrificing the social protections won during the 20th century.
Aside from that, there is general agreement over bedrock issues like trade, the domination of Capital over Labor (though Democrats pretend to support unionization, for fundraising purposes), the sanctity of the military-industrial complex/national security state, the expansion of police powers and militarization of law enforcement, and the erosion of constitutional rights as being “bad for business.”
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I agree with your comment below, Diane, and I have said elsewhere in your forums that Betsy DeVos actually believes that Calvinist nonsense about predestination, and apparently sees her money as a sign of God’s favor of her.
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Good explanation, Michael. Thanks!
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DeVos has no solutions for anything, and it is appalling she has been put in charge of the schools she wants to destroy. Every times she opens her mouth she reveals her ignorance and bias. Keep calling her out on her lies; parents are reading your blog and getting more outraged as well they well should be. We’ll keep cross posting.
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Yes. Diane is providing a message that all need to hear. DeVos is not just incompetent, she is dangerous. That has to be the message that the media gets and they will get it by calling her out on every lie and dumb statement.
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What a great political message though, huh?
She’s telling people they can have everything they want and they don’t have to pay for it.
“Any school you want, anywhere! Won’t cost anything additional and absolutely no risk! All schools will be great schools and all children will have access to a school custom-designed for them”
She’s selling a fantasy and since it (supposedly) won’t cost anyone anything additional it’s a fantasy that’s easy to buy.
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The only school scheme she approves of in the entire United States are the schools in New Orleans.
Purely coincidental that New Orleans happens to be the city that completely privatized schools, right?
I don’t think DeVos will be able to eradicate public schools in the United States- she doesn’t have enough power to do that and Donald Trump doesn’t seem to be doing too well moving his agenda even if she did have the power. However. That is obviously her goal and telling the public it is NOT her goal is a disservice to the public.
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It’ll never happen but DeVos could be asked some very good questions about her ideological theory of public schools.
I live in a smaller rural community. If DeVos gets her way and the “money follows the child” and the majority of children in my community enroll in a Catholic school are parents who want a secular and public school just out of luck? Do they have to move?
She blithely ignores all possible downside of her “vision” for US schools. She isn’t ever forced to defend it in real-world terms. She can promise everyone everything and no one ever calls her on it so this fantasy of a free market paradise remains unsullied by how systems actually work in real communities.
How is this the “rigor” we’re all supposed to be modeling for school children? It’s about as rigorous as a 30 second political ad.
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She’s a prime example of someone who went to private school throughout her entire life and didn’t learn a thing except how to manipulate and blame others.
She would have been better off in a public school.
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The Catholic school here regularly sends children with behavior problems out of the Catholic school and into the public school.
In this community the public school can handle that duty because the vast majority of children attend the public schools- we have resources and numbers enough to do it.
But what happens in DeVosWorld where each parent takes their voucher and heads to a school with no thought or consideration for the system as a whole? The public school is just magically standing ready to act as the default for the “choice” schools?
How is that fair to children in public schools? How does that benefit them? For some reason they’re just designated as the schools who have to absorb the risk of these experiments? What if they can’t without harming their own students?
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I know you’ve made the point many times, Chiara, but keep it up. “School choice,” i.e., alternatives to tradl nbhd pubschs, cannot exist w/o local pubschs as fail-safe back-up.
Pubschs receive the newly-moved in & educate them until their parents opt for an alternative. They stand by & receive those who are not accepted into privatized alternatives– not only those whose folks won’t sign some bizarre contract-of-faith, but also whose promise does not include hi-test scores (used by many charters to retain their charter &/or advertise), including virtually all SpEd students. And they’re there to receive the kids suspended/ expelled for behavior issues, & those counselled-out cuz they’re ‘not a good fit.’
Choice schemes all seem to merrily proceed toward undermining & closing pubschs in targeted areas w/o a thought to needing them for, if nothing else, a place to educate those ‘not chosen’. What will govts do when they realize they’ve created swaths of ed-deserts?
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bethree,
In addition to what you wrote, public schools educate 80% of the children from families w income >$200,000. (don’t remember where I read that stat, but it was a reputable source) That’s a pretty strong vote of confidence. Now we just need to work on getting all schools as good as those in the towns where Christie and Booker grew up.
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So, we all pay our taxes, real estate (via mortgage or rent), state taxes, retail taxes, cigarette taxes, liquor taxes, gas taxes, etc. If you have zero kids…or no longer have kids using the education system in any shape or form – where is your voucher? Vouchers for those who want to send their kids to private schools basically get a rebate, right? Where is the rebate for those who don’t utilize the education system, never did, or not any longer? Isn’t DeVos going down a slipper slope? Just one more thing to consider. If people without kids aren’t getting a voucher will it be long before they revolt?
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Good point. Some services are part of the “common good” of pooled resources. Sometimes we pay, and sometimes we receive. DeVos is on a very slippery slope. People can start to refuse to pay for libraries because they don’t use them, and on and on.
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Agree, retired teacher. Public schools are a common good from which we all benefit, even those without kids or whose kids have already cycled through the school system.
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Seriously tho. I pay the same real estate taxes, roughly, as the neighbors on either side of me, and across the street. My children are grown and out of elementary and h.s. for many years now. My neighbor to my left is 80, never had any children. Where is her voucher? Where is mine? If the bulk of our taxes go to education, and people with school aged children are receiving, lets say $5,000 in a voucher to apply – wherever – do I get tax relief? Do I get a voucher? Lets say there are no boundaries as some commenters here like to say that zipcodes should not determine where students receive their educations….so lets say for fun that my taxes are paid to my town…and a kid from an hour away attends school in my town…that voucher is going to be used to pay for even this public school educations, right – so …. where is my tax reduction (?) particularly since I have no children in school?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for public schools. If you chose to send your kid to a private school, good for you. I do believe, however, I’m raising a valid point here. DeVos keeps talking about the parents and giving them choice and basically a backpack of education dollars, when their parents are already spending education dollars via r.e. taxes, either as home owners or renters. Why do they deserve more than those not utilizing the schools?
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Betsy is not onthe slippery slope
She’s already at the bottom.
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Giving parents a real choice as to where their children will be educated is a good thing for our country. Why so fearful Diane? Parents will not put this toothpaste back in the tube. They instinctively know parental choice is for the common good.
That train has left the station.
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jdhollowell,
Evidence matters. Charters do not provide better education than public schools. Many are frauds and scams.
Voucher schools provide worse education than public schools.
I am afraid for our country and our children. Damn right.
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How can you state, that “Voucher schools provide worse education than public schools.” ?
Would it not be more correct to state, that non-public schools are on the “bell curve”?
Some private schools are excellent, some are terrible. Already, over 90% of all school children in the USA, attend public schools. I am certain that some parents are delighted with their local public school. But that is not the point.
All public schools have a “take it or leave it, but we keep your tax money” mentality.
People who support public schools monopoly, should have no problem at all with school choice/vouchers. If the public school is so terrific, then parents will decline the voucher, and continue sending their children to the public schools.
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Charles,
Are you concerned about the government police monopoly? I think you should pay for me to have a private security guard. I deserve that choice!
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Hello Charles,
You are making common sense with your comments. That explains why you got chastised by Diane earlier in this thread.
In case you have not noticed this is an anti-school choice echo chamber. Mostly nice people on here but not a lot of tolerance for the idea that parents should have a choice in where they send their kids to school.
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JD Hollowell,
This is a blog dedicated to “a better education for all,” not a better education for a few. It is my blog. I spent many years as an advocate for school choice. I was part of three conservative think tanks financed by billionaires. I know what they say behind closed doors. I know they are using black and brown children to advance their cause of privatization, which will harm most children and harm our society. There is nothing new you can tell me about the alleged glories of school choice because I know the arguments better than you. I was there when this rich-man’s ideology was launched as “reform,” packaging rightwing extremism as the salvation of the needy. After 20 years inside the rightwing palaces, I realized it was all a cynical hoax. I am sorry it took so long. But the compensation was that I learned all the players, I learned their language, I learned their goals.
So, yes, this is a blog dedicated to supporting public education and the children and teachers in them.
You can keep posting your comments attacking the purpose of the blog, but you willl never get a sympathetic response from me. I know a lot more than you, and I will do my best to educate you. But I will not let your ignorant responses pass uncorrected.
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JD Hollowell,
It’s good of you to say that most of us seem like nice people, here. Your other comments imply that we’re just “misguided” and “not in the loop”.
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and the same consideration: you are a good person who’s been misinformed. Easy enough to understand considering the media campaign that’s been financed and waged against teachers and public education for almost two decades.
I started in education at age forty. Prior to that I did many jobs, but one long tenured one was in the field of management. I know what it’s like to supervise union personnel.
I noticed a shift away from teacher autonomy in the mid to late ’90s. I also noticed a growing disrespect towards teachers and our schools that was not mirrored in the actual reality of what I was experiencing every day when I went to work with my classes.
Then Michael Bloomberg became Mayor Bloomberg and was granted full control of our school system here in NYC. His dictates and mandates were punitive, ill informed, and (often times) unobtainable.
I recognized what he was doing from my days in management and told my colleagues that he wanted us to fail. Most treated me like chicken little (they don’t now).
Then someone told me about this blog. Everything I’d seen and was forecasting was corroborated by a distinguished professional who had been in the middle of the planned madness and ended up seeing it for what it really was. She was spot on and remains the same to this day.
I sincerely hope you will re-read her post regarding her experience. It’s very real. And I also would recommend that you read some of these other posts both here and in other threads with a more open mind. We are teachers. We are smart and dedicated professionals who keep up with the mainstream news and would also have people like you put your mind to what we’re saying as potential truths that need to be exposed.
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The taxpayer dollars that are being diverted to fund charter schools coupled with the federal education dollars that will be diverted to vouchers has and will continue to have a negative impact on the public schools functional abilities.
Private schools are not mandated to follow the same testing regime or developmentally inappropriate CCSS guidelines as public schools. People with the means to make up the difference between a voucher and a good private school’s tuition will do so in order to give their kids the type of education that they grew up with, often in the very public school system which is now being dismantled.
“If the public school is so terrific…” is an oversimplification of the situation. You either have limited knowledge and foresight or a general contempt for a tax payer funded public school system, which makes you applaud the consequences of these changes.
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Giving parents a set of choices as to where they send their children to school is inherently a good thing. Parents know enough about their children to be trusted with this decision. The majority of the people in this country are beginning to understand the power of this idea.
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JD,
There have been many state referenda about school choice. Can you name one where the public voted for vouchers?
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“That train has let the station.”
Pretty sure about that, are you?
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Parents are the reason that the standardized testing regime and never tested CCSS are failing and they will be the same people who push back against the privatization of our education system.
All the “Giving parents a real choice” and “…instinctively know parental choice is for the common good…” catch phrases won’t amount to a hill of beans once those parents get to see just what kind of choices are actually being given them and how they’re impacting the community run schools that are being run into the ground.
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“Toothpaste Trains”
The toothpaste left the station
The train has left the tube
The charters of the nation
Are “choices” for a rube
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You’re on a roll, today, Poet
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jdhollowell
The train has left the station and like much of the assault of the last 40 years . It is headed for a brick wall that will leave Americas children and the Nation worse off.
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What jdhollowell conveniently ignores is the choice that all so-called reformers seek to deny parents: that of adequately funded and resourced local public schools, democratically-run and open to all, and free from diversions from their budgets and wasteful imperatives such as high-stakes testing and bogus “teacher accountability” policies.
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I find myself in agreement with you JD. Giving parents real choices, is inherently good. Just like Adam Smith postulated in “The Wealth of Nations”, there will be an “invisible hand” in education.
People have choices in how to redeem their BEOG’s at the university level. Giving parents choices, in where to redeem their school vouchers/savings accounts, will result in most (not all) parents making good and proper choices.
Educators have the choice, now, to get on the train, drive the train, or be left at the station. Good.
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Sorry, Charles andJD, but the train is heading for a cliff. I will not get on. It is filled with religious zealots. I prefer to be on the train designed by the Foundunf Fathers.
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Q I prefer to be on the train designed by the Foundunf (SIC) Fathers. END Q
I have read the US Constitution from front to back, and all 27 amendments. I have yet to lay my finger on any specific authority for the federal government to become involved in education. If such black-letter authorization exists, I wish someone would point it out to me.
I have long advocated for the feds to get out of education, and leave it (properly) to the states/municipalities.
Today, over 90% of the funding for K-12 education is state/municipal.
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John Adams
September 10, 1785:
The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.
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Charles,
I could give you similar quotes from George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and most of the other founding fathers. The Constitution also did not recognize the equality of women and people of color.
Charles, if there were only World enough and time, I could devote myself to filling in the gaps in your humanistic education. But I don’t. This may come as a shock,Charles, but the endless repetition of your opinions is not that interesting. For the nth time, I am done wasting my time with you.
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http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here
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Great link, Steigem. Thanks. Did you read it, Charles?
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There is no need for anyone who has no children, or no school age children (or grandchildren) to fund education, whether through vouchers or letting others have tax breaks or other schemes.
The end game of your logic should be this: If you have children and want them to be educated, pay for that education within your own funds, not vouchers, not tax rebates for “savings” accounts, etc. That of course is exactly what the wealthy people are free to do.
If you think choice is wide open and available to all you have forgotten the first rule of choice–the providers choose the students and the parents not the other way around.
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The entire debate about educational choice/vouchers/savings accounts, is about whether parents should be empowered to make the decision about their children’s education. Some individuals want the government to make the decision, and have children enrolled in the neighborhood public school, based on their zip code.
Some individuals want the decision to be left to parents.
One of the many benefits of our federal system, is that we have 50 state “laboratories”, where ideas can be tested and tried, before going national. States have a wide latitude to experiment.
School choice and voucher plans (and other schemes, like individual savings accounts and opportunity scholarships) are being tried in some states. Indiana currently has the largest number of parents choosing to accept alternate education for their children.
Other states are certain to follow. So far, no state which has brought in school choice/vouchers has decided to eliminate the programs, and return to a single public-school plan for their citizens.
Quite the opposite, states which have brought in school choice/vouchers, have continually expanded their programs.
If school choice/vouchers are so terrible, why has no state which has tried them, decided to eliminate school choice/vouchers?
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“A nod for the Common Good”
Betsy supports the common God
And God is great and God is good
So Betsy supports the common nod
The way a Christian really should
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Devos’ “religious fanaticism” could be the mask, for the real intent of the “strongmen” who have taken over the government, from Gates to the Koch’s to the Mercers. Schools are public places where people, who democratically elect their boards, can assemble in the open, can build a consensus and, can organize for change. The fragmentation of the neighborhoods’ educational locations and, the replacement of the leadership, with authoritarian colonialists carrying the banner of religion, denies people the means and opportunity to overthrow the tyranny of concentrated wealth.
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Many of history’s worst tyrants wore religion as a mask
“The Mask of Religion”
Religion’s oft a mask
To hide the real intent
And cover up a task
That’s really Satan sent
“Crusade” is what they claim
To civilize the heathen
And lay the bloody blame
On all the unbelievin’
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Linda,
Devos’s religious fanaticism is genuine. She is a Dominionist. She fights to advance God’s place in the world. She said so herself. I believe her. Her followers say that the public schools are godless.
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Public schools are Godless
And what is even worse to Ayn Rand Libertarians, they are Galtless
“Godless and Galtless”
The public school is Godless
A place where Satan rules
It’s also simply Galtless
Cuz Atlas dropped the fools
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Yes, the public schools don’t openly worship Mammon, as De Vos does.
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“She fights to advance HER god’s place in the world.”
Just a minor correction, Diane.
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We don’t disagree, but adding…. DeVos was placed in her position.
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God put her there, no doubt.
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God commanded Donald to put her there.
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Galt help us all
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Click to access public_opinion_data.pdf
Thirteen years ago a vast majority (62% – see the link) of the public supported the concept of parental choice in education. That strong public support is now translating into elections and policy at the state and federal level.
Get a grip. Let these people send their children to the school they think best for their kids.
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JD Hollowell,
Polls about school choice vary depending on the wording of the question.
I didn’t ask for opinion polls.
I asked you to name an election, say, a state referendum, where voters approved vouchers. Last fall, a large majority of voters in Massachusetts and Georgia voted against expanding the number of charters.
Elections, not polls.
One example.
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Dem Poll: Nearly 70 Percent Support School Choice – 2015
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/dem-poll-nearly-70-percent-support-school-choice-n1947467
Eleven years after the first poll I cited, the numbers have continued to swell. Vast majorities of people believe letting parents choose their children school. These voters are telling policy makers and politicians to create more opportunities for that to happen.
As an FYI – the recent election led to the appointment of the woman you are demonizing through your relentless attacks on her competency. Betsy DeVos is simply acting on the will of the people as spoken by the electorate.
This is not rocket science. Parents are capable of choosing their kids’ schools.
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JD,
I asked you for a single election, not a poll. You responded with more polls.
There have been many state referenda.
Not once has the public voted for School choice.
In this country, we make consequential decisions by voting, not by polls.
Even the red state of Utah overwhelmingly rejected vouchers.
As did Betsy DeVos’ Michigan.
Both votes were overwhelming.
Your “train” has left the station. It is filled with zealots of every stripe–religious zealots, libertarian zealots, people who hate government. I’m not on your train. It’s the train to nowhere. It is certainly not the train to better education for all. It’s the train to segregation. The train to creationism as science. The train to dumbing down. That is what the people of Sweden and Chile learned. Count me out.
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I am gripping as hard as I can. Parents are welcome to send their children to any school they want. Just don’t ask me to pay for it.
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“Hedging your bets”
The train has left the station
And also left the edge
The view is a sensation
Until you reach the hedge
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Abigail makes a key point (although I disagree with her). Underpinning consumer choice is a willingness to pay for options selected. If a Jesus school is the consumer choice, the parent should pay for it, not the public.
Trump makes a compelling case for the elimination of private schools. His education produced his ignorance-” judges sign off on laws”. Public education is fundamental to understanding the foundation of democracy, a concept too important to be left to private schools, even if, insular parents want a consumer choice.
Holliwell should read the report about successful cities for charter schools, from Columbia Teachers College, focusing on Columbus, Ohio, which was in the top 5, because state politicians got money from charter operators. Neither community voters, nor local representatives wanted charter schools.
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One of the original purposes of public schools in American, was to “protestantize” the wave of catholic immigrant children. Please see
https://books.google.com/books?id=-azdtdK5kR0C&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=public+schools+originally+to+protestantize+immigrants&source=bl&ots=QjKudUOulY&sig=R_9rK90lkXfnM_lIS1XI0G8MJkg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjgdX–o3TAhXGrVQKHQc9Bn8Q6AEIKDAC#v=onepage&q=public%20schools%20originally%20to%20protestantize%20immigrants&f=false
Start on page 53
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Charles,
The public school evolved beyond its Protestant origins to become “common schools,” where children and teachers of all religions and races are welcome. Sorry I can’t say the same about private schools. The South still has segregation academies, which are now called “charters.”
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The tyranny of the richest 0.1% (1) is reflected in Rick Berman’s attacks on unions. Union halls provided people with a place to openly assemble, build consensus and incite for change. By political design, the halls are now, largely empty. (2) The tyranny is shown in colleges, which were places where people could openly assemble, build a consensus and organize. The richest 0.1% concluded, “We’ve got to blow up the ed. schools” (AEI’s Frederick Hess quoting them in Philanthropy Roundtable, “Don’t Surrender the Academy”). The richest 0.1%, e.g. the Koch’s and Gates, flooded colleges with strings-attached money, selecting curriculum, professors, and accreditation measures. (3) The tyrants scheme to destroy America’s religious polyglot, which provided the opportunity for places where people could openly assemble, reach consensus and foment change. Evangelical mega churches, with schools, exercising the right to hiring discrimination, the intent to indoctrinate authoritarian governance, and to teach religion-based, intolerant messages, threatens a third avenue for change. Then, (4) the tyrants took over the public schools.
America’s future damns the intent of people like Charles and Hollowell.
Six Walton heirs have wealth, equivalent to 40% of Americans combined. The Gates family lives in the state with the most regressive tax system in the nation. The poor pay a rate up to 7 times the rate, that the rich pay in the state of Washington.
The hope… to avoid violent overthrow of the tyrants, rests with the success of UnKochMyCampus.org, groups like Network for Public Education/Pastors for Texas Children and, the Campaign for America’s Future. The tyrants, and the self-serving, who carry out their plots, are too numerous to list.
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In case you do not have time to check the Democratic polling link:
“If there’s one issue that has virtual approval from everyone, it’s school choice. Beck Research, a Democratic polling firm, found that nearly 70 percent of Americans support the concept of school choice, 45 percent strongly support it, and only 27 percent oppose it. These poll results were unveiled at a press conference held by the American Federation for Children”
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Did Gates or, one of the other, richest 0.1% pay for the survey? Was the Center for American Progress, which was founded by the infamous John Podesto, involved in the survey? Was DFER? Was Howard Dean? Dean met with hedge funds, while protectors of public education protested outside in the rain. Was the politically, right of center, organization, that calls itself, the Democratic Leadership Council, involved in the survey? Was Donna Brazille, who never registered Democrats for Public Education at Act Blue, unlike DFER, that raised funds there, involved in the survey?
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During Trump’s cabinet appointment process, Sen. Heitkamp of N.D. received 1400 e-mails. 95% of the e-mails were in opposition to DeVos. Summarizing the opinions, the independent report characterized the e-mail content -North Dakotans prefer public schools to (private contractor schools, euphemistically called- ed. note) charter
schools.
The Dem. pollsters must not have made it to N.D. or Mass? Which other states did they avoid or misreport? Or, did they employ misleading wording to skew the outcome?
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Many polls, regardless of the sponsor, show that a majority of Americans support the concept of school choice, at least in some form.
It is true, that no state-sponsored referendum has ever brought in a school choice/voucher program. Not all states have a referendum mechanism (e.g. Indiana, Wyoming). The huge majority of state laws are originated in the legislature/assembly. Only a very small percentage of our state laws, are originated in referenda.
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DeVos does not have any empathy or situational awareness in regards to the public-school system, as claimed above. Her ignorance is detrimental to the public’s thoughts and feelings towards public education. It worries me as someone studying to become a future teacher that a “leader” claims these statements as “facts” and how easy it is for the general population to agree. I can only hope that people will fact check and research any form of political discourse before believing it, be sure to find multiple sources, etc. Standardized testing is just one example. Is standardized testing really worthwhile? Apparently no, but the stigma among the public is that it proves all we need to know for schools and their worth (which is just simply not true). I’m just so curious where DeVos is getting her information from.
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“Betsy’s Information Source”
From God she gets her gospel
On tablets made of stone
To complement her Bible
Which doesn’t stand alone
She carries them to meetings
And hands them all around
Her colleagues take the beatings
For info Betsy’s found
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For tablets Betsy’s found
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As a future teacher about to enter a credential program, I am fearful of what is going to happen to education because of Betsy DeVos. It is extremely clear that she is not educated on any facts, which is ironic seeing as how she is the Secretary of Education. Her disapproval of public schools is very offensive. I have been to public schools my entire life and I do not think that has held me back at all. I will say that I am from the Silicon Valley and lucky enough to come from an area where the public schools are pretty good, however I am aware that many students are not fortunate to grow up in an area with well rated public school. This is exactly the reason why DeVos should be advocating the need for high-quality public schools in every zip code instead of allowing for-profit schools to popup. This rhetoric she is using toward public schools could be very harmful to many high-quality public schools. Parents that are not informed might fear that public schools are bad, thus putting their kid into a different school. I am nervous to see what the future holds for education, but I will not be discouraged to go into education and make a difference in the lives of my future students.
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