The New York Times invited Ross Douthat to be its regular conservative commentator. He writes here about the catastrophes that a Trump presidency would create.
First, he predicts, would come an economic crisis and a recession comparable to Britain post-Brexit.
Then would be inevitable civil disorders as white nationalists flaunt their new power, encouraged by Trump’s mouth.
Add to that international disorder as every other nation seeks to take advantage of Trump’s ignorance and naïveté.
And this is the view of the Times’ conservative columnist!
A portion:
“The first is sustained market jitters, leading to an economic slump. Trump’s election alone would probably induce a Brexit-esque stock market dip, but the real problem would be what happened next. Instead of Theresa May’s steadiness inspiring a return to fundamentals, you would have the spectacle — and it will be a spectacle — of the same Trump team that drop-kicked its policy shop and barely organized a national campaign trying to staff up an administration. Even without his promised pivot to mercantilism and trade war, a White House run as a Trump production is likely to mainline anxiety into the economy, sidelining capital, discouraging hiring and shaving points off the G.D.P.
“The second peril is major civil unrest. Some of Trump’s supporters imagine that his election would be a blow to left-wing activists, that his administration would swiftly reverse the post-Ferguson crime increase. This is a bit like imagining that a President George Wallace would have been good for late-1960s civil peace. In reality, Trump’s election would be a gift to bad cops and riot-ready radicals in equal measure, and his every intervention would pour gasoline on campuses and cities — not least because as soon as any protest movement had a face or leader, Trump would be on cable bellowing ad hominems at them.
“The third likely highly-plausible peril, and by far the most serious, is a rapid escalation of risk in every geopolitical theater. It’s probably true that Trump, given his pro-Russia line, would be somewhat less likely than Clinton to immediately stumble into confrontation with Vladimir Putin over Syria. But it’s silly to imagine Moscow slipping into a comfortable détente with a President Trump; Putin is more likely to pocket concessions and keep pushing, testing the orange-haired dealmaker at every opportunity and leaving Trump poised, very dangerously, between overreaction and his least-favorite position — looking weak.
“That’s just Russia: From the Pacific Rim to the Middle East, revisionist powers will set out to test Trump’s capacity to handle surprise, hostile actors will seek to exploit the undoubted chaos of his White House, and our allies will build American fecklessness into their strategic plans. And again, all of this is likely to happen without Trump doing the wilder things he’s kind-of sort-of pledged to do — demanding tribute from allies, trying to “take the oil,” etc. He need only be himself in order to bring an extended period of risk upon the world.
“The history of geopolitics prior to the Pax Americana is rife with examples of why this sort of testing should be feared. Overall, Trump’s foreign policy hazing, his rough introduction to machtpolitik, promises more danger for global stability — still a real and valuable thing, recent crises notwithstanding — than the risks incurred by George W. Bush’s interventionism, Barack Obama’s attempt at offshore balancing, or (yes) Hillary Clinton’s possible exposure of classified material to the Chinese, the Russians and Anthony Weiner’s sexting partners.
“There is no algorithm that can precisely calibrate how to weigh global instability against the reasons that remain for conservatives to vote for Trump. No mathematical proof can demonstrate that the chance of a solidly-conservative Supreme Court justice isn’t worth a scaled-up risk of great power conflict.
“But I think that reluctant Trump supporters are overestimating the systemic durability of the American-led order, and underestimating the extent to which a basic level of presidential competence and self-control is itself a matter of life and death — for Americans, and for human beings the world over.
“I may be wrong. But none of my fears (and I have many) of what a Hillary Clinton presidency will bring are strong enough to make me want to run the risk of being proven right.”

“He need only be himself in order to bring an extended period of risk upon the world.” And not a word yet about education, immigration, or global warning in the name of “The United States of America.”.
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Is it political commentator a true beat around the bush typical person?
Where are the true sources of reason(s) that cause this chaos in the beginning to start with?
What would be suggestions or solutions to counter YOUR MANY FEARS?
All irresponsible politicians, gullible followers, and fabricated conspiracy theories from DEPLORABLE, but very cunning JOURNALISTS will taste their own consequences together with their loves ones.
People, who are “”NOT”” strong, smart, skillful, and experienced, will be tricked in all lip-services and empty promises.
Original FBI agent and current Russian President PUTIN is still under controlled by puppet master. Watch out for “Trump’s” true puppet Master who has completely controlled Trump, American GOP, and fake Democrat in the past 25 years. This cannot be conspiracy theory because how can a fraudulent, pervert, and bankrupted in 640 millions of dollars go so far on becoming Presidential candidate? Isn’t it a nightmare for ALL?
In short, LEADER like Secretary Hillary Clinton, who is intelligent, experience and full of love, faithful, care and respect for the well-being of her spouse, her child, and ALL PEACEFUL human beings WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, should be voted with confidence by all American voters. Back2basic
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From Krugman today: The cryptic letter James Comey, the F.B.I. director, sent to Congress on Friday looked bizarre at the time — seeming to hint at a major new Clinton scandal, but offering no substance. Given what we know now, however, it was worse than bizarre, it was outrageous. Mr. Comey apparently had no evidence suggesting any wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton; he violated longstanding rules about commenting on politically sensitive investigations close to an election; and he did so despite being warned by other officials that he was doing something terribly wrong.
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Just listening to Trump’s meandering gibberish and demagoguery is enough for me. He must be blocked from taking the presidency. Even Michael Moore has concluded that the only sane and logical thing to do is to vote for Hillary, warts and all.
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I agree. This vile opportunist must be stopped. He will wreck what is left of our frail democracy.
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Moore was never in doubt. Since the convention
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Anyone who is on the fence about voting for Hillary, should spend the $4.99 for the I-tune of Michael Moore’s Trumpland.
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“There is no algorithm that can precisely calibrate how to weigh global instability against the reasons that remain for conservatives to vote for Trump.”
Converting the basket of irredeemables may require the sharing of the algorithm used
to precisely calibrate a crystal ball.
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Trump will never be president….at least not for long. Most of the GOP can’t stand him, and would prefer Pence, a pliant, Koch-favored, empty suit. If DT gets elected, all the felonious dirt that has been gathered will suddenly and magically surface. The GOP will then profess shock, shock that he could be such a bad actor, after which they’ll impeach him. That’s the real danger, because at that point the Kochs and their network will be in control. I call this scenario “If the 2016 election were a screenplay.”
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If Trump becomes president (I hope that never happens), he will never give up that power without a tremendous fight and blow back. He would use the power of the FBI and NSA to get dirt on anyone who threatens him. Plus Trump, as president, would have the power not only to punish opposition but he would have a huge carrot with which to reward any putative enemies. The GOP would not dare to impeach him but maybe the Dems might try? A president Trump would consolidate and reenforce his authority and power to forestall any possible opposition.
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Democracy is only as weak as its educational system.
There is an elephant in the room here–and that elephant is the underpinning cause of Trump-ism: The basic fact that a good number of people in the United States apparently (1) have no idea what fascism is and (2) don’t recognize in Trump all of the (oh-so-clear) makings of it–that is, a disturbed bully-fascist dictator who is ripe for manipulation by anyone who flatters and agrees with him. Trump is across-the-board stupid; stupid does as stupid is, and power and stupidity is a volatile mixture. This is still a democracy, however; and so Trump is not the fundamental problem.
The problem is, and the elephant in the room is, the obvious ABSENCE of a POLITICAL EDUCATION in the voters who support Trump–an education that has history as its center-point, and an understanding of what a constitutional democracy is–AND ISN’T as its essential component.
If “we the people” are mandated to make a choice of what kind of system we want to live in, at least our educational system should EDUCATE US POLITICALLY so we can be clear-eyed about that choice, and not be so prone to be suckered-in by the lies and propaganda, and to get so pie-eyed about the pied-pipers out there, in this case, Donald Trump.
The pervasive drift in education for years has been towards “job” and “entrepreneur” centered curriculum, and away from the arts and history (for years a battleground for the humanities in education). Just one example of that ignorant “drift” towards ignorance is the recent Texas debacle (as Diane reported here) of funding a football stadium in Katy TX while the district’s schools remain overcrowded and otherwise neglected. Somewhere at the core of that situation is the absence of a solid, and solidly political, education. And to head off the “your ideology” critique, I am talking about our youth understanding the difference between fascism and democracy so they have the where-with-all to choose, and not forcing an ideology down their throats.Some would choose fascism. But I think most would not–if they understood it and its history. Some would choose fascism. But I think most would not–if they understood it and its history. That’s the nature of “the great experiment.”
Trump deserves everything bad you can say about him. But the elephant in the room is the absence of a political education in “the people.” If Hillary wins, the present dangerous situation, though unnamed, is a very loud and clear mandate to not only support public education, but to bring a new focus to what is very old about the very presence of education in a democracy; and so a new and hopeful vibrancy to it. The point is to secure the hope that this “clear and present danger” to be less likely to rear its ugly head in the next generations of educated citizens, at least here in the United States.
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Although I agree with you about fascism and I would like to think that the problem is education.
I am only on this blog because I view the assault on education as a means of empowering the above. However I suspect that the decline in the American standard of living over the last 30 years has more to do with the willingness of the American people to respond to selfish instinct and racism, the willingness of the American people to accept a Trump.
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Not sure if there’s a typo there, but I don’t understand how a “willingness . . . to respond to selfish instinct and racism” or to “accept a Trump” could have caused standards of living to decline.
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To Joel Herman, who says: ” Although I agree with you about fascism and I would like to think that the problem is education. . . . I suspect that the decline in the American standard of living over the last 30 years has more to do with the willingness of the American people to respond to selfish instinct and racism, the willingness of the American people to accept a Trump.”
Yes–“the willingness of the American people to accept a Trump.” I don’t know how any of that can be separated from what goes on, or doesn’t go on, in education–and of course, both informally in the home and formally in the schools. I’m sure there are many causes for and relationships to “trumpism,” some of which, as you say, is rooted in selfish instinct and racism–both of which are aspects of NOT becoming educated in the full sense of that word, especially in our time of awareness of racism and a multitude of other group biases.
However, I was relating the drift of educational curriculum for many years to a good number of people being politically ignorant now. It seems obvious to me that way too many don’t understand fascism or democracy (or oligarchy); that THAT is what political ignorance looks like (in most, not all, cases); and that such ignorance can be threaded back to the drift in education I related in my note, particularly in K-12.
The problem of that THEN drift-towards and absence-of a political education is manifest NOW in “the willingness of the American people to accept Trump.” I wasn’t isolating that cause as the ONLY cause.
In my view, it’s the greatest travesty of our time that, in a democratic-cultural climate, K-12 students can leave high school without possessing a full understanding of their own political ground and that ground as compared with other kinds of political systems.
Here is an accurate-as-can-be recounting of a discussion my niece heard between two women at her hairdressers yesterday.
First woman: “I never seem to have enough money from my social security to pay my bills. Do you think Trump will fix that for me?
Second woman: I don’t see why not. He has a lot of money.
But of course, that’s just an anecdote that happened in real time mid-afternoon yesterday in Oklahoma City.
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Catherine Blanche King
So when is it, that education failed. That retired boomer went to school in the 60s her hair dresser , I am going to guess probably in the 70s.
I do agree and have for a long time felt that the amount of ignorance displayed by the American people is astounding. But there was never a golden age of American education where the citizenry were politically / economically educated.
The Powell memo and the assault on our university system was a response designed to insure that our university system never (politically) educates the American people. Perhaps elementary education in the past was more focused on creating inquisitive minds. Perhaps testing and Common Core is tailored to the same assault that has taken place at the University level.
However :
A little dated from politico
“In terms of demographics, Trump’s supporters are a bit older, less educated and earn less than the average Republican. Slightly over half are women. About half are between 45 and 64 years of age, with another 34 percent over 65 years old and
less than 2 percent younger than 30. ” !!!!!!
So apparently we have culled ignorance for quite some time .
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To Joel Herman: Do I sense your tongue-in-check? But you say: “So apparently we have culled ignorance for quite some time.”
Political ignorance–yes. We’ve enjoyed democracy and the sense of well-being that it brings; and we have gone on a set of assumptions that lay hidden and that now are under attack; and that have been unraveling and disappearing slowly over a long period of time–for many “reasons” too numerous and complex to discuss here and some of which are deeply philosophical. (A water mark in that turn was when the Bushes, Jeb and all, left the scene–the ground shifted in the political earthquake we were all experiencing.)
Oddly, but perhaps in timely fashion, Trump has done us the favor of reacquainting us with what COULD BE, if we look away, and with what we should NEVER take as an automatic given in anything we name: Democratic or even CULTURE–the civic-political ground and order, and the constitutional integrity embedded in our founding documents and our regard for them.
When that Gold Star father held out his copy of the Constitution to the camera at the Democratic National convention for all America and the world to see, it sent chills down my spine. What a transcendent moment THAT was. I heard that Amazon.com was flooded with requests for a copy of it. That father unearthed those political assumptions that every American lives in, but fewer and fewer are aware of, and that are at stake as we speak.
For years we have been hair-on-fire trending in education with everything else that, though it may share in significance, and though much has been excellent and should enhance and accompany a basic political education, instead, it has tended to supplant what is not only significant, but essential to the maintenance of all. Tongue-in-cheek or not, apparently, it’s a pretty big basket we are looking at.
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Catherine Blanche King
My point we have had a long history of political ignorance. that basket has been huge for many years.
But that “farmer on a tractor in Iowa” was far more amenable to rational arguments and reason when his and his families economic futures were secure.
I believe it is still accepted in Social Sciences, that ethos derive from economics. Not the inverse , contrary to the popular narrative on the right.
Speaking of narratives there is a further problem, created by the media both print and broadcast. They are all to willing to participate in group think, becoming the transmitter of popular narratives, rather than doing in depth Journalism . This is particularly evident in the opinions of many Americans on many issues . From for example social securities problems to our supposedly “FAILING SCHOOLS” . I wonder what that retiree has to say about either issue .
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Hello Joel: Okay–just because someone’s economics goes south, so to speak, doesn’t mean that in good times, they have no economic situation tied to a political ground. Many of us just live in that situation in good times (for generations some times), taking it for granted, and not asking about it–until its demise starts affecting our pocketbooks; and if we cannot recognize the political corrosion (because we have no understanding of it and don’t give a hoot) we look for a fear-mongering pied piper buffoon espousing great promises to “fix it” for us.
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FLERP!
Not sure what your unsure about? No deep reading was required. You have the causal relationship backwards . But I can ride with that one as well ,if you like.
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Joel: I’m curious: What do you think I am unsure about, and what do you mean the causal relationship is backwards? If you have time.
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Well said.
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Glad to see his column in the NY Times. Hope some people “on the fence” will read and follow his advice.
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