Some years ago, I visited Constitution Hall in Philadelphia with my then-young children. The guide, a young man, said, “One of the most momentous events in world history happened in this room.” Long pause. He continued: “George Washington decided not to run for re-election. He could have but he didn’t. He could have appointed himself king. He was the most popular man in the new nation. But he stepped aside and there was another election. And he was succeeded by John Adams. Adams didn’t inherit the office. He had to win the election.” He went on to explain how unusual it was to have a peaceful transfer of power in a world of hereditary kings, tribes, and dynasties.
The young man’s reverence for our democracy has remained with me all these years. In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election in Florida by 537 votes. The winning candidate, George W. Bush was the big brother of the Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush. Ralph Nader won nearly 100,000 votes in Florida. Gore had good reason to be angry and feel cheated. But Gore was gracious. He conceded, and he never complained that the system was “rigged.”
[There was one other election where the loser won the popular vote and may have even won the electoral college, in 1876, but a deal was struck that gave the election to Rutherford B. Hayes over Samuel J. Tilden. The deal involved an agreement to end Reconstruction, withdraw federal troops from the south, and leave southern blacks to the mercy of southern whites. That was not included in my high school U.S. history textbook in Texas.]
What is remarkable in the election of 2016 is that the Republican nominee is claiming that the entire electoral system is rigged before the election has occurred. He offers no evidence for this belief. There is none. The election system is very decentralized, and besides, most states now have Republican governors. There is no rigging going on. At the conclusion of the third debate, he refused to say whether he would accept the results of the election if he lost. That shocked a lot of people. The next day he said he would accept the results “if he won.” Not good enough.
Donald Trump is trying to discredit the election and the American electoral process because he is behind in the polls. Clearly, he doesn’t understand that a basic rule of democracy is to be dignified and gracious, whether in victory or defeat. Instead, he prefers to sow doubt about the legitimacy of democracy itself. He must have been a horribly spoiled child, raised with a sense of entitlement. Maybe his father fixed all the games he played in so he could always win.
Nothing is so pitiable as a sore loser.

The electoral process comes under scrutiny, when we have electronic programs doing the elections, where no paper trail exists. Despite Trumps pitfalls, we have failed to address these serious issues moving away from simple machine elections. Hillary herself says that the Russians can affect the elections, while there were serious problems in the vote rich State of California, where she won and ballots were not counted, and there was a massive problem with “independents” being able to vote. Here in Brooklyn many voters were deleted from the polls.
If all of the customers of Yahoo can have their accounts and privacy invaded, we are not far from have a compromised voting system. The issues is real, it’s just that Trump as the messenger is creating the indignation. Lest we forget that it was the Supreme Court who gave is GW. We now know through Snowden about the many things that we did not know, and such capabilities of technology in the brave new world.
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http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2016-news-releases-and-advisories/secretary-state-padilla-certifies-election-results/
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No. Trump is invalidating the entire foundation of democracy by claiming the election process is “rigged”, mainly to save his fragile ego. This is different from agreeing we need to continuously improve the methods and voting laws, but still believe in the ideals of fair and free elections with a peaceful transfer of power. There is no rational comparison and you suggest a false equivalence.
Al Gore NEVER criticized the election process as Trump has done by undermining the entire system introducing fundamental doubt. Nor did Gore say he would refuse to acknowledge the election results. Gore withdrew his concession AFTER the election when it was clear it came down to 500+ votes of questionable nature that needed verified. And it was required by Florida law at the point to have a recount. The SCOTUS intervened on appeal after it was apparent there was no firm resolution and we were approaching a Constitutional crisis.
There is no need for people to fear technology. Yes, hacking can occur, but it is difficult. Yes, we can always improve the voting machines but they will always be vulnerable in some way. It comes down to spending money for more secure systems with diminishing returns. Most “hacks” like the DDoS attack yesterday are not sophisticated and usually the result of human malice or error. Yes, we must be vigilant against government invasions of privacy but that isn’t Trump or Clinton. Rather, Americans are all too willing to give up rights in response to fear. And Trump plays on that fear, Clinton doesn’t.
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Gore in 2000 was as much a sore loser as all seem to claim Trump will be. Gore brought suit challenges 3 times during that time frame, even though he lost each time. The definition of a sore loser when one loses, and continues to lose, yet still claims that “they” are wrong. Why not let Trump lose, and then complain – like Gore – before we mislabel him.
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The 2000 election was extremely close and Gore was not a sore loser even before the election took place. Trump is acting the sore loser NOW, before the election. It remains to be seen whether election 2016 will be close. How the hell is Gore a sore loser when he eventually accepted his loss. Did Gore claim that the election was rigged?????? Stop comparing Gore to Trump, it’s vile, wrong and off-base.
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The election was close enough that Florida law automatically required a recount, not Gore. The loss for Gore was not clear at the time as there were uncounted ballots and paper punch ballots with partially attached chads. Gore did not undermine and attack the entire election process as “rigged” before election day.
This attempt to falsely equivalence Trump’s treasonous, inciteful tantrum with the Gore campaign’s reasoned approach to challenge results through the legal process is ridiculous.
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Joe, Gore only “accepted” the loss when he couldn’t go any higher than the Supreme Court. I do doubt he would otherwise have ever accepted it. After losing at all doors, difficult to do anything but accept. Also, Gore laid the blueprint for anyone in he future to challenge in this process. Trump is just the first. When you do not want to give up, isn’t that the textbook definition of a sore loser?
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I don’t know about every state, but my state (Utah) DOES generate a paper ballot, printed as a back up when a vote is submitted. We also have paper mail-in ballots.
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Trump rarely has evidence to support much of what he asserts. At his core he is a reckless individual that in no way should serve as President. Many of his supporters are equally pitiable. They seem to exist in an alternate reality. Here’s a recent poll.
“Eighty-seven percent of Clinton supporters felt that the losing candidate should accept the results, while 49 percent of Trump supporters and 56 percent of Republicans overall felt that way.”
By the way if you find yourself in Philly again, I recommend a visit to the Constitution Center. For someone with a keen interest in history, this place is a must, although it was a bit too “high tech” for my taste.
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How fortunate is Hillary to have Trump as an opponent. Can you imagine if he were actually capable. The problems he illuminates are real. The fact that he is the messenger and offers the wrong solutions is unfortunate . The election has been rigged, rigged to a great degree to his benefit. Any other Republican would be walking away with this election. They were all as dangerous as Trump . They created the party of Trump . But make no mistake the Democrats are equally responsible for the creation of Trump. The Clinton’s in particular.
This race should have pitted a left wing populist against a right wing populist or any Neo Liberal Republican. The rigging that Trump complains about occurred between the Democratic establishment and the media . Democratic voters don’t tune into right wing talk radio or even Fox. It occurred to assure that the real alternative was never given to the American people. The problem for Americans we are assured to revisit this in four years and we will not have Trump.
To portray the White Working Class as some sort of uneducated mob misses the point that their complaints and anxieties extend to the entire working class , THE NINETY NINE PERCENT. Or at least a very significant portion of them. NYC is not the embattled post industrial Mid West. It is a supposedly “elite coastal city” . News flash the NYC controller says Millennials in NY are earning 15% less than Gen X .
I wonder how much less than blessed boomers who had healthcare and pensions.
At 6 A.M. I was too foggy to read this link by 9 A.M. it was affirming.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/left-ignores-donald-trump-own-peril
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Democrats have nothing to do with Trump. Republicans are solely responsible for Trump. They own him. They must use every legal means necessary to ensure he doesn’t have the ability to invalidate the election process nor even be president. Top Republicans should be stepping up and denouncing him and defunding him. Yet many, like Senator Portman in Ohio, still support him.
Yes, Democrats must step up and reach out more. They missed opportunity this election. But let’s be realistic about who is to blame for Trump and who voted for him in the primaries.
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I agree. White blue collar workers are hurting due to our loss of manufacturing jobs, and there has been nothing to replace them. Many Trump supporters aside from the “deplorables” have been displaced in the new economy. They are angry and angst ridden. The Democrats would be wise to make sure the economy includes them. The Democrats talk about infrastructure and solar energy jobs, but they will have to squeeze money out of Congress to do it. That could only happen if Congress changes.
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Vale Math
You should read the article. I was contemplating including a concession to you in the post. Then I figured the link was enough . Essentially the author makes your argument of what legislation brought to congress by Republicrats (Clinton/Obama ) neo liberals (I hate that word) has done to the middle/working class. Peter Edelman resigned over welfare reform, but David Bonior the Democratic majority whip in the House basically quit after NAFTA . He represented Michigan. The Democrats are very much responsible for the development of Trump. After the collapse in 2008 the Obama mandate was blown on saving Wall Street not main Street. He had a supper majority and blew it. The country was so ready for “change we can believe in”, that they forgot they were voting for a Black man. How many bankers did Reagan send to jail and how many Obama. The sight of the leader of the party that I have voted for in every election since 70 pushing the TPP after the disaster of previous trade agreements is revolting.Especially when it isn’t even about trade. Its about corporate domination . The sight of him and his administration assaulting America’s teachers and public schools equally revolting . I will skip the list . It may be a dog and pony show but fast track was only supported by 26 house democrats. The people do not remember the Republicans that have pushed bad policy they remember the Democratic Presidents who initiate and sign it. At least Taft Hartley was passed over Truman’s veto.
Yes Democrats have created Trump by not being the alternative to Republicans on economic issues. It is not about poorly educated blue collar workers not having the skills in the new economy. It is about most of their college educated children having to live in the attic or needing two incomes to barely scrape by. The working class is 80 plus percent of America including teachers and there is little room to move up. Don’t believe me believe Larry Summers “we could train a whole lot of people to take the jobs of those who already have them” . This goes a lot further than the rust belt.
To be a little Trumpian! don’t disagree with me when I am agreeing with you (LOL)
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I actually do agree that Democrats have done a poor job representing working families, teachers, elderly, small business, and many more. Many, many missed opportunities.
But your argument Democrats somehow caused Trump could conclude voters have no free will and Republicans were forced to vote for Trump over the other 16 GOP candidates. If it is true Democrats are responsible for Trump because they somehow made Republicans cast ballots for Trump in the Republican primaries, then DNC must be much more powerful and conspiracal than we know.
What I see in the argument Democrats (or liberals, or women, or immigrants, or LGBT, …) bear any responsibility for Trump, is the past 30 years or so of Republicans blaming everyone but themselves and failing to grow a spine and govern. Republicans voted for Trump in the primaries, not Democrats. And it Republicans’ duty to fix this mess.
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I agree with you . But Democrats need to be seen as the party of the people to change that congress. How many states have turned Red since Clinton. How many states have become “right to work “since Clinton. If you haven’t read Thomas Frank I would recommend him.
Let us imagine a world where Obama had not appointed the same people to manage a crises who let it develop in the first place.
Let us imagine a world where the justice department went full force after criminal financial sector actions as Warren is questioning now.
Let us imagine a world where Bankers bonuses were placed behind workers pensions.
Let us imagine a world that did not include (DFER), Republicrats for Education Reform.
Heaven for bid let us imagine a world where Obama reviewed our trade agreements to see who they were benefiting.
Then we can imagine a world where Republicans only represented a fringe.
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Vale
I guess what I am saying is a large group of those that are supporting Trump should be voting Democratic,many in the mid west voting in Republican primaries for the first time. So called Reagan Democrats which sadly includes 40% of Union households .
If clear lines were drawn on economic issues,perhaps they would overcome their racial bias and objections on social issues. Democratic voters did not drive them there. Democratic policy makers did.
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The popular vote doesn’t matter.
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If I may be your editor for a moment, Diane:
“The Sanctity of the Electoral Process and the Democratic National Committee’s Efforts to Destroy It”.
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Gotta bring the old and false meme of Nader, eh!
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DS,
The Federal Election Commission site shows eight candidates besides Bush and Gore for Florida 2000 Presidential results. I don’t know the stance of each (Libertarians would be unlikely to vote Democratic), but each won 562 or more votes–more than the 537 vote difference between Bush and Gore.
A total 138,127 voted for third-party candidates. Maybe some regretted their choice during the ensuing eight years.
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http://buchanan.org/blog/an-establishment-in-panic-3-125855
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You’re seriously offering up Pat Buchanan, ultra paleo-conservative, as a credible commentator? Laughable at best.
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Joe, never a Buchanan fan but he is onto something, that Trump is a challenge to the 1%, you must recognize that the news coverage, particularly the NYT, is not reporting his campaign, but editorializing in every news article, I have never seen the media this rabid and fearful. Such reporting seems more like a McCarthyism frenzy, not to mention NPR 24/7. None will touch the recent reports about the DNC funding the goons at the Trump rallies, which remind me of Ukraine and other efforts at “regime change”. Chickens are coming home to roost.
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Joseph,
Trump is the personification of the 1% at its worst. His tax plan would lower taxes on the wealthiest, who are then expected to create jobs. That is called “trickle-down economics.”
Not much trickles down.
Just an aside about Trump.
I have lived in NYC for 50 years. My ex-husband was a developer and builder. He was involved in many charitable and civic organizations. He has served on many boards. He gives generously. He endowed a chair and a program for leukemia research at Mt. Sinai Hospital in honor of our son who died of leukemia. Donald Trump has never been associated with any charitable or civic organization. None I ever heard of.
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/Real-Reason-for-Trump-Bein-by-Rob-Kall-Election-Cyber-Fraud_Election-Integrity-161020-800.html
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Reblogged this on Lloyd Lofthouse and commented:
Nothing is so contemptibly small as a sore loser, Donald Trump.
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I’d encourage everyone as I did with my teenage daughter to get on Youtube and view the See It Now! commentaries by Murrow. Replace “junior senator from Wisconsin” with “real estate magnate from Manhattan”. Then keep in the back of your mind that Roy Cohn was McCarthy’s main adviser and also Donald Trump’s mentor.
Then I’d recommend viewing the recent commentaries by Olbermann on GQ. Real journalistic insight as opposed to ken and barbies on Foxnews or shallow, shouting matches on CNN.
There is no equivalence between Trump and Hillary. None. Trump supporters and anti-Hillary opponents are straining reasoned thought and decency trying to compare the two in any rational way. Trump cares nothing about America and democracy or the people he hurts. No empathy, no restraint, no forethought. Trump cares about Trump and he is wiling to bring the Republican party, if not America down with him.
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You are speaking of the McCarthy era, still present when I entered teaching: Communists and their sympathizers were said to be in every organization and taking over the schools, courts, media, filmaking industry, and ‘govment.”
I am very much aware that Roy Cohn was McCarthy’s main adviser and also Donald Trump’s mentor.
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Thanks. Yes, Trump and McCarthy eerily share the same rhetoric, tactics, and adviser. Many people on this blog know who McCarthy was, but I would be curious how many Americans really know what went on and how Trump is repeating history. Instead of communists, Trump blames just about everyone else. It is the same twisted approach.
P.S. I wasn’t old enough to understand Murrow at the time, but watched many of his broadcasts, particularly the “fault is not in our stars” commentary. We need more like him. If you haven’t seen Olbermann, watch it and let me know if you think he’s in that vein. I hope he gets more views.
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I will re-post Olberman . Hillary is certainly more qualified and less dangerous in the short run . That does not make her a good alternative just the only alternative.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/post-debate-keith-olbermann-demands-treasonous-trump-withdraw
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Vale
Why is it Olberman, Uygur and Shultz are no longer on MSNBC.
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Funny, Joel, I partially addressed that in the Strauss (next) post!
I still get my news from Schultz on (gasp!!) RT–Mon-Thursday, 7 PM & 10 PM CST (have to add that, because Comcast guide, e.g., which used to post their schedule, just has it listed as “Leased Access–or LA–103, w/no shows listed). I also watch BBC News, Democracy Now (on PBS–12 AM CST, Mon-Fri.), & NBC or CBS Nightly News (I try not to watch ABC after they hosted one Dem Primary Debate after the firewall breach, & David Muir kept bringing up Bernie people “stealing” info prior to the debate &, then, this was the first item brought up in the debate. Also, George Stephanopoulos was pretty bad, as well.) Insofar as Uygar, just watch his/Young Turks reports from the Dem Nat’l. Convention media tent on YouTube, & you’ll see why.
I don’t watch MSNBC anymore–too much Trump, & the awful, unprofessional Chris Matthews, aside from the misleading reporting of Rachel Maddow (who I had loved & respected, & will, again, should she ever apologize for running a Hulk Hogan WWE clip of audience throwing chairs before a report on the Dem Nevada Convention {whereby Bernie supporters were wrongly accused of throwing chairs, & most certainly did not}). Still do like Chris Hayes & Lawrence O’Donnell, but I still haven’t watched MSNBC since.
FOX had more coverage of Bernie than CNN & MSNBC combined!
&, Duane, TAGO for your 11:09 AM comment!
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I know the feeling. The question was my poor attempt at sarcasm.
They were all released for rocking the corporate ship of state, so to speak. I agree on O’Donnell and Hayes. . Scarborough for what ever his motive was fairer to Sanders than the crew at MSNBClinton. I remember the night Bernie took Wisconsin and Van Jones had to blurt out “Can’t any of you just say he won ” on the Clinton News Network .
All this while Trump played non stop for the entertainment (revenue) value. If the media is anti Trump perhaps it is because he “bit the hand that fed him” (LOL). Caged Orangutans can be quite hostile . Not to mention his other baggage.
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I miss Ed Schultz!
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bethree5–watch him on RT (or you may be able to see the shows on YouTube, should you not have cable &/or RT access {some cable companies do not broadcast RT; here in IL/Chicago area, Comcast lists it as Leased Access, Ch. 103})–you don’t have to miss him, & you’ll love his news delivery (his show is just a straight half-hour news broadcast, but he often interviews people RE: news stories he’s reporting). Sad to report, however, is word on the street that they’re (not sure who “they” are, but I have my suspicions) trying to shut RT down–it was just reported that their U.K. accounts have been frozen.
BTW, I HIGHLY recommend Redacted Tonight–it’s RT’s version of Last Week w/John Oliver, & it’s just as funny & eye-opening.
Lee Camp (the host & writer) is brilliant. You can see all of the episodes on YouTube.
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