I don’t mean to be a naysayer- I’ll vote for Hillary Clinton- but Clinton to me seems to have lost some of his ability to connect with people.
I think it’s inevitable. He really hasn’t lived in the regular world for a VERY long time. Decades.
I heard one of his speeches in Ohio in 2012 (or thereabouts) and he sounded like all of these people sound to me- like they just left a boardroom 🙂
I remember him when he was scrappier and more raw and….ambitious. I don’t mean “ambitious” as an insult- there’s nothing wrong with coming from nothing and wanting to be a big shot. He succeeded, too.
It’s true what people said about him in the 1990’s- you really DID think he was “one of us” back in the day. I no longer get that from him 🙂
Wasn’t one of his best, but I still enjoyed seeing him. Kinda like going to an Eagles reunion concert. Michelle Obama wins the award so far from both conventions.
My daughters are young voters. I was telling them about the excellent speakers as president – B. Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy, Obama. These guys don’t need to shout in the mic like Trump or Bernie.
Bill did for Hillary what she was unable to do for herself. Hillary is more introspective and lacks the the people connection that comes so naturally to Bill. Bill told the tale of their relationship against the backdrop of Hillary’s activism and hard work. Since Hillary has been a fixture in public life for over a quarter century we take for granted, he wanted to remind us of her long record of public service and commitment to helping children and the poor. He wanted to remind us that she listens, learns and solve problems. Unlike Trump, Hillary cannot indulge in self aggrandizement. Bill painted a picture of someone that cares about our country and its people, someone tough, yet caring, and someone that wants to move our nation forward.
That is the truthfulness in the leadership of Hillary whom I admire and fully support.
Unlike leadership in green party and libertarian who thought that they just come to phone booth, put a cape on, then coming out to become a superman or superwoman. LOL. Back2basic.
My take on Bill Clinton’s speech (I started to fall asleep as he recited the endless wonders that HRC has performed; Is Cardinal Dolan ready to push for sainthood?). What was Monica thinking?
The talking heads will tell us how wonderful he is at connecting with people and doing speeches, even when his sincerity are contrived. I didn’t feel anything he said. It was certainly more crafted than a Trump performance — but just as vain, if less insane and blunt, than the Donald’s matchless megalomania. [Memo to Hillary: If you love this guy, keep him off the campaign trail. It looks like he might suddenly collapse. But, then again you might get sympathy votes.]
Just as the immediate, in-the-moment, TV commentators had to climb over each other to fawn on Michelle’s words–arguably the best written speech of the Dem. convention–this is all an exercise in uncritical thinking.
Forgive me: The White House being built by slaves; the two beautiful children turned to young women in 8 years; both kids playing with their dog on the WH lawn–images calculated to draw tears and cheers. And no pundit or faux reporter noticed she didn’t talk about the homeless–mainly Black–destitute poor begging on the streets ringing the oval office and the Capitol. Ignore that tattered man sleeping under a cardboard box. Those realities are off message.
You can shove both major parties and the processes that yielded DJT and HRC. Oh. I almost forgot the sanctity of the vote–the secret ballot that soldiers died to defend. May God continue to bless the flags and balloons…
Libertarian leader is proud to SUCCESSFULLY promote legalize marijuana. This will surely bring more images of destitute poor begging on the streets as well as tattered man sleeping under a cardboard box.
There is help from charity organization, but if government promotes marijuana to be abused, society would be in trouble. Back2basic
They not only state this proudly, they urge Clinton to abandon public schools too.
Public schools are literally an afterthought in ed reform. They’re one sentence in a piece on “education legacy” and that one sentence is all about “accountability”- all stick, no carrot.
How did we end up with a government that’s hostile to its own public school system?
Chiara. The Obama Administration continued the damage to public education that was ramping up with NCLB by appointing Arne Duncan and using the 2008 economic collapse to open the flood gates to charter schools…requiring states to approve charters in order to get federal RTT funds. That link is to a person who is clearly benefiting from the charter industry.
As you repeatedly and helpfully assert, the proportion of students attending these schools is still relatively small. I do not know if a movement can be forged to dismantle and defeat the continued outflow of money from public education to the sub-contractors and operators of these “providers” of non-public schooling, but silence is not an option. The 74 million propaganda mill and Bellwether “collaborated” to offer their very own press coverage of both conventions.
In the coming year the state of Maryland is sure to be targeted for rapid charter expansion. It could be the first state that will be indifferent to “operators” of schools and “providers” of education, as long as they are “high-quality.” Look at the makeup of that state’s Board of Education, with the new president a partner at Bellwether, Chester Finn on the Board, and others with resumes from TFA. Bellwether is a prime recruiter for leaders of charter school startups and scale-ups, also a source of white-papers and talking points for members of Congress and state legislators.
In any case, Diane is a one person menace to the charter industry and other organized efforts to let market-based thinking run roughshod over democratic governance of public institutions. She and others are creating the counternarrative that is needed at this moment in history.
I wake up every morning in a “house built by slaves”. What a beautiful line that was. Now I understand why the Republicans are so angry. Now I get it 100%
I am so disappointed in educators who are gullible and narrow minded because they choose to believe in all fabricated info from all sources that are owned, controlled and manufactures to harm America and American spirit.
Young educators can be forgiven because they were brought up and used to all fabricated news that constantly bombard to their ears.
Now, old, experienced educators act and behave sarcastic to the danger of put American Supreme Court Justice in the hand of “half baked and full of nuts basket” person = Party’s Presidential Nominee who PUBLICLY called communist + fascist Russian leader to hack into American cyberspace. Please ask yourself that if you are senile!
It can be the end of Republican Party, BUT NOT the multicultural melting pot America.
All immigrants are smart enough to immigrate to USA in order to build their lives from scratch and to enjoy humanity, democracy and peace.
All people, who intentionally sow discord in this forum, must have some sort of monetary gain from Trump, like “free” one night stand in his Trump hotel. Back2basic
I am going to vote for Hillary but I don’t approve of anything about Bill Clinton who is the opposite of someone with integrity like Bernie Sanders.
Whatever speech Bill Clinton gives does not matter. He put in Reagan’s right wing corporate political program and sold out the black community and everyone who cares about justice and equity and women’s rights and the right to live with freedom and opportunity. He decimated welfare for those who desperately needed it for survival, like HIS OWN MOTHER DID!!!!! He drove through NAFTA which hurts us all. He deepened the system of criminal injustice. He hurt immigrants’ rights. He used racist attacks against Obama during the previous election. He supported NCLB which has constituted a corporate attack on the education of the entire black, Latino and poor white communities throughout U.S. cities, allowing takeovers by private entities for their own gain, a racist system of education. He encouraged a young naive woman to feed his sexual ego and then destroyed her, and any small shred of mutual respect between him and his wife and the rest of women and men in America who think a partnership should stand for something called mutual respect, mutual love and sensitivity. The man is all ego and needs to stay out of the public arena and come to a reckoning with all that he’s done that hurts us all. He is in no way a progressive, humane, just force in American politics, but rather a blight on our national soul. MJ ps Of course Trump is far worse! As were many others of both parties. But it’s time to stop acting as if Bill Clinton has been any kind of progressive force in our country.
Bill Clinton: Uplifting rhetoric, soul-crushing policies.
Talk is cheap, Bill.
Americans are waking up – once Hillary is installed in the WH, it will be a bit harder to do business as usual, as Obama did. She certainly hasn’t helped build up her trust with her embrace of the venal DWS (D- Payday Lenders), selection of a pro-TPP and bank deregulating VP candidate, stopping an anti-TPP plank, and then having her surrogate, Terry McAuliffe (D- Wall Street) saying that, of course, Hillary will support TPP.
BTW, how many of you are feeling cheap and used after the Clinton campaign floated the political equivalent of clickbait by planting new stories of a possible Warren VP? How many took their eye off the prize (issues of economic justice) and were taken in by the bright shiny object of gender (identity) politics?
Monica Lewinksy also was dazzled by Bill Clinton. She was a young, impressionable woman who was treated with pure contempt by the Clintons. The contempt continues today, but it’s targets are the poor, the working classes and the commons.
Diane, I would never vote for the Bloviating Yam. And, yes, I felt it was cheap and craven to dangle Elizabeth Warren’s name as a VP contender when it was highly unlikely that it would come to pass. However, I think that the Democratic party has strayed so far from FDR that it’s important for us to let the Establishment know that progressive Americans will remain engaged and will hold these politicians accountable.
Politicians demand accountability from us – surely they should reciprocate. Their deeds should match their rhetoric. They should realize that the public will no longer unquestioningly swallow a politician’s lofty words. Bernie Sanders appealed to so many people because he spoke honestly, and from the heart. I think if more politicians spoke plainly to the people (instead of coded rhetoric so as not to upset the donor base), cynicism might not be so rampant.
Hillary Clinton will become the next POTUS, despite the contempt she has shown for those who disagree with her.
But Bernie Sanders has ignited a new, organic progressive movement that will not sit by passively if she attempts to continue the neoliberal attack on our public schools, our environment, our social security and on the poor and the working classes.
Thanks, Diane, I have joined Brand New Congress, as well as Our Revolution, and will be working to recruit progressive candidates from the ground up. Municipal elections are coming up in 2017!
Isn’t that what Jennifer and Monica said??
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Even Superman has his kryptonite. Bill’s was a blue dress.
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Are sure it wasn’t what was in the blue dress?
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I don’t mean to be a naysayer- I’ll vote for Hillary Clinton- but Clinton to me seems to have lost some of his ability to connect with people.
I think it’s inevitable. He really hasn’t lived in the regular world for a VERY long time. Decades.
I heard one of his speeches in Ohio in 2012 (or thereabouts) and he sounded like all of these people sound to me- like they just left a boardroom 🙂
I remember him when he was scrappier and more raw and….ambitious. I don’t mean “ambitious” as an insult- there’s nothing wrong with coming from nothing and wanting to be a big shot. He succeeded, too.
It’s true what people said about him in the 1990’s- you really DID think he was “one of us” back in the day. I no longer get that from him 🙂
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Wasn’t one of his best, but I still enjoyed seeing him. Kinda like going to an Eagles reunion concert. Michelle Obama wins the award so far from both conventions.
My daughters are young voters. I was telling them about the excellent speakers as president – B. Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy, Obama. These guys don’t need to shout in the mic like Trump or Bernie.
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He was great. He really showed who Hillary was as a person, not just political person.
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So many good speeches —
but it’s always what they don’t say
that bites us in the end.
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Bill did for Hillary what she was unable to do for herself. Hillary is more introspective and lacks the the people connection that comes so naturally to Bill. Bill told the tale of their relationship against the backdrop of Hillary’s activism and hard work. Since Hillary has been a fixture in public life for over a quarter century we take for granted, he wanted to remind us of her long record of public service and commitment to helping children and the poor. He wanted to remind us that she listens, learns and solve problems. Unlike Trump, Hillary cannot indulge in self aggrandizement. Bill painted a picture of someone that cares about our country and its people, someone tough, yet caring, and someone that wants to move our nation forward.
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Thank you retired teacher for your assessment.
That is the truthfulness in the leadership of Hillary whom I admire and fully support.
Unlike leadership in green party and libertarian who thought that they just come to phone booth, put a cape on, then coming out to become a superman or superwoman. LOL. Back2basic.
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My take on Bill Clinton’s speech (I started to fall asleep as he recited the endless wonders that HRC has performed; Is Cardinal Dolan ready to push for sainthood?). What was Monica thinking?
The talking heads will tell us how wonderful he is at connecting with people and doing speeches, even when his sincerity are contrived. I didn’t feel anything he said. It was certainly more crafted than a Trump performance — but just as vain, if less insane and blunt, than the Donald’s matchless megalomania. [Memo to Hillary: If you love this guy, keep him off the campaign trail. It looks like he might suddenly collapse. But, then again you might get sympathy votes.]
Just as the immediate, in-the-moment, TV commentators had to climb over each other to fawn on Michelle’s words–arguably the best written speech of the Dem. convention–this is all an exercise in uncritical thinking.
Forgive me: The White House being built by slaves; the two beautiful children turned to young women in 8 years; both kids playing with their dog on the WH lawn–images calculated to draw tears and cheers. And no pundit or faux reporter noticed she didn’t talk about the homeless–mainly Black–destitute poor begging on the streets ringing the oval office and the Capitol. Ignore that tattered man sleeping under a cardboard box. Those realities are off message.
You can shove both major parties and the processes that yielded DJT and HRC. Oh. I almost forgot the sanctity of the vote–the secret ballot that soldiers died to defend. May God continue to bless the flags and balloons…
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But, Fred…did you see FLOTUS’ Jimmy Choo’s? And her dress! It was made in America!!!
And Bill sure has a funny way of treating his “best friend,” doesn’t he?
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Fred,
Libertarian leader is proud to SUCCESSFULLY promote legalize marijuana. This will surely bring more images of destitute poor begging on the streets as well as tattered man sleeping under a cardboard box.
There is help from charity organization, but if government promotes marijuana to be abused, society would be in trouble. Back2basic
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I’ve been helped by, and enjoyed, a lot of your posts the last couple of years but this is where we part. Goodbye.
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Tri,
The BBC is reporting that Queen Elizabeth will bestow the OBE on Bill Clinton and dub him a knight with the title Lord of Flydown.
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Obama’s legacy on public education, according to ed reformers:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/james-merriman-clinton-follow-obama-lead-charters-article-1.2727117
Charter schools.
They not only state this proudly, they urge Clinton to abandon public schools too.
Public schools are literally an afterthought in ed reform. They’re one sentence in a piece on “education legacy” and that one sentence is all about “accountability”- all stick, no carrot.
How did we end up with a government that’s hostile to its own public school system?
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Chiara. The Obama Administration continued the damage to public education that was ramping up with NCLB by appointing Arne Duncan and using the 2008 economic collapse to open the flood gates to charter schools…requiring states to approve charters in order to get federal RTT funds. That link is to a person who is clearly benefiting from the charter industry.
As you repeatedly and helpfully assert, the proportion of students attending these schools is still relatively small. I do not know if a movement can be forged to dismantle and defeat the continued outflow of money from public education to the sub-contractors and operators of these “providers” of non-public schooling, but silence is not an option. The 74 million propaganda mill and Bellwether “collaborated” to offer their very own press coverage of both conventions.
In the coming year the state of Maryland is sure to be targeted for rapid charter expansion. It could be the first state that will be indifferent to “operators” of schools and “providers” of education, as long as they are “high-quality.” Look at the makeup of that state’s Board of Education, with the new president a partner at Bellwether, Chester Finn on the Board, and others with resumes from TFA. Bellwether is a prime recruiter for leaders of charter school startups and scale-ups, also a source of white-papers and talking points for members of Congress and state legislators.
In any case, Diane is a one person menace to the charter industry and other organized efforts to let market-based thinking run roughshod over democratic governance of public institutions. She and others are creating the counternarrative that is needed at this moment in history.
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Greed. Mammon. Money. Profits. Selfishness. Hubris. Contempt.
I might have left out a few, but this is what it all boils down to; All for me, and none for thee.
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Diane, you blew it with this post. I love you, so you are forgiven.
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Better? What? Adultery? Objectifying women?
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Sam,
Like Eisenhower; like JFK; like FDR.
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Ah, the “two (or more) wrongs make a right” excuse. That’s just great.
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I wake up every morning in a “house built by slaves”. What a beautiful line that was. Now I understand why the Republicans are so angry. Now I get it 100%
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I am so disappointed in educators who are gullible and narrow minded because they choose to believe in all fabricated info from all sources that are owned, controlled and manufactures to harm America and American spirit.
Young educators can be forgiven because they were brought up and used to all fabricated news that constantly bombard to their ears.
Now, old, experienced educators act and behave sarcastic to the danger of put American Supreme Court Justice in the hand of “half baked and full of nuts basket” person = Party’s Presidential Nominee who PUBLICLY called communist + fascist Russian leader to hack into American cyberspace. Please ask yourself that if you are senile!
It can be the end of Republican Party, BUT NOT the multicultural melting pot America.
All immigrants are smart enough to immigrate to USA in order to build their lives from scratch and to enjoy humanity, democracy and peace.
All people, who intentionally sow discord in this forum, must have some sort of monetary gain from Trump, like “free” one night stand in his Trump hotel. Back2basic
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I am going to vote for Hillary but I don’t approve of anything about Bill Clinton who is the opposite of someone with integrity like Bernie Sanders.
Whatever speech Bill Clinton gives does not matter. He put in Reagan’s right wing corporate political program and sold out the black community and everyone who cares about justice and equity and women’s rights and the right to live with freedom and opportunity. He decimated welfare for those who desperately needed it for survival, like HIS OWN MOTHER DID!!!!! He drove through NAFTA which hurts us all. He deepened the system of criminal injustice. He hurt immigrants’ rights. He used racist attacks against Obama during the previous election. He supported NCLB which has constituted a corporate attack on the education of the entire black, Latino and poor white communities throughout U.S. cities, allowing takeovers by private entities for their own gain, a racist system of education. He encouraged a young naive woman to feed his sexual ego and then destroyed her, and any small shred of mutual respect between him and his wife and the rest of women and men in America who think a partnership should stand for something called mutual respect, mutual love and sensitivity. The man is all ego and needs to stay out of the public arena and come to a reckoning with all that he’s done that hurts us all. He is in no way a progressive, humane, just force in American politics, but rather a blight on our national soul. MJ ps Of course Trump is far worse! As were many others of both parties. But it’s time to stop acting as if Bill Clinton has been any kind of progressive force in our country.
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Wow, 8:56. A huge group is yelling NO More War as Panetta tries to speak. AMAZING!
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Bill Clinton: Uplifting rhetoric, soul-crushing policies.
Talk is cheap, Bill.
Americans are waking up – once Hillary is installed in the WH, it will be a bit harder to do business as usual, as Obama did. She certainly hasn’t helped build up her trust with her embrace of the venal DWS (D- Payday Lenders), selection of a pro-TPP and bank deregulating VP candidate, stopping an anti-TPP plank, and then having her surrogate, Terry McAuliffe (D- Wall Street) saying that, of course, Hillary will support TPP.
BTW, how many of you are feeling cheap and used after the Clinton campaign floated the political equivalent of clickbait by planting new stories of a possible Warren VP? How many took their eye off the prize (issues of economic justice) and were taken in by the bright shiny object of gender (identity) politics?
Monica Lewinksy also was dazzled by Bill Clinton. She was a young, impressionable woman who was treated with pure contempt by the Clintons. The contempt continues today, but it’s targets are the poor, the working classes and the commons.
An aware electorate will be pushing back.
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Eleanor
Pushing back by voting for a fraud?
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Diane, I would never vote for the Bloviating Yam. And, yes, I felt it was cheap and craven to dangle Elizabeth Warren’s name as a VP contender when it was highly unlikely that it would come to pass. However, I think that the Democratic party has strayed so far from FDR that it’s important for us to let the Establishment know that progressive Americans will remain engaged and will hold these politicians accountable.
Politicians demand accountability from us – surely they should reciprocate. Their deeds should match their rhetoric. They should realize that the public will no longer unquestioningly swallow a politician’s lofty words. Bernie Sanders appealed to so many people because he spoke honestly, and from the heart. I think if more politicians spoke plainly to the people (instead of coded rhetoric so as not to upset the donor base), cynicism might not be so rampant.
Hillary Clinton will become the next POTUS, despite the contempt she has shown for those who disagree with her.
But Bernie Sanders has ignited a new, organic progressive movement that will not sit by passively if she attempts to continue the neoliberal attack on our public schools, our environment, our social security and on the poor and the working classes.
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Eleanor,
Join Bernie’s new group called “Our Revolution” and help him build a strong progressive movement to hold the administration accountable.
If it’s THE Trump administration, they won’t care
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Thanks, Diane, I have joined Brand New Congress, as well as Our Revolution, and will be working to recruit progressive candidates from the ground up. Municipal elections are coming up in 2017!
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