David Greene, experienced teacher of teachers, read an article in The Economist about teaching teachers, and he got steamed. Guess who is training the best teachers? The corporate-funded Relay “Graduate School of Education,” where none of the “professors” has a doctorate. Relay is a program where charter teachers teach future charter teachers how to raise test scores. To call it a “graduate school of education” is an insult to real graduate schools, where professors are scholars and masters of their field. “Raising test scores” is not a field. Which economists think that the Relay way is the best way? Tom Kane, Eric Hanushek, Roland Fryer.
The article cites the favorite myths of the economists:
Eric Hanushek, an economist at Stanford University, has estimated that during an academic year pupils taught by teachers at the 90th percentile for effectiveness learn 1.5 years’ worth of material. Those taught by teachers at the 10th percentile learn half a year’s worth. Similar results have been found in countries from Britain to Ecuador. “No other attribute of schools comes close to having this much influence on student achievement,” he says.
Rich families find it easier to compensate for bad teachers, so good teaching helps poor kids the most. Having a high-quality teacher in primary school could “substantially offset” the influence of poverty on school test scores, according to a paper co-authored by Mr Hanushek. Thomas Kane of Harvard University estimates that if African-American children were all taught by the top 25% of teachers, the gap between blacks and whites would close within eight years. He adds that if the average American teacher were as good as those at the top quartile the gap in test scores between America and Asian countries would be closed within four years.
The assumption behind these theories is that children who live in poverty, who are homeless, and who lack medical care get low test scores because of “bad teachers.” These economists stubbornly refuse to believe that the stressful conditions of these children’s lives depress their test scores. There is no evidence for the claim by Kane that the achievement gap between blacks and whites would close within eight years if all African American children were taught by teachers in the top 25%. Despite reformers’ total control of Washington, D.C., New Orleans, Denver, and (for nearly a decade under Mayor Bloomberg) New York City. None of these cities has closed the achievement gaps between haves and have-nots or between blacks and whites. The whole premise of this argument rests on the assumption that the “best teachers” produce the highest test scores. But other researchers and such esteemed organizations as the American Statistical Association dispute the validity of judging teachers by the test scores of their students. If a teacher is teaching children with cognitive disabilities, English language learners, or gifted children, he or she will have small or no test score gains as compared to a teacher in a well-resourced affluent community. Are the teachers in such circumstances “bad teachers”? No.
As David Greene points out, The Economist knows nothing about teaching:
ON TEACHING THE TEACHERS:
The Economist June 11, 2016
Whoever said this? “Great teaching has long been seen as an innate skill.
But reformers are showing that the best teachers are made, not born.”
How condescending can this be? This article implies that teachers don’t know that?
“Mr. Cavanagh is the product of a new way of training teachers. Rather than spending their time musing on the meaning of education, he and his peers have been drilled in the craft of the classroom.”
No. This is not new. He is actually the result of good training that has gone on for a long time. Hey guess what… reformers haven’t reinvented the wheel.
This has been true for decades: “Like doctors on the wards of teaching hospitals, its students often train at excellent institutions, learning from experienced high-caliber peers.”
It is how I learned from a cooperative master teacher when I student taught for a semester and how I received mentoring from my Principals, Assistant Principals, and department chairs for 38 years, not just the first.
This too has always been true: “teaching for what it is: not an innate gift, nor a refuge for those who, as the old saw has it, “can’t do”, but ‘an incredibly intricate, complex and beautiful craft’.”
“But a question has dogged policymakers: are great teachers born or made? Prejudices played out in popular culture suggest the former.”
First, policy makers have never known the truth about the hard work in developing good teachers. And, why listen to pop culture and not experienced teachers?
The “myth of the naturally born teacher” is, of course, a myth. Again this is not startling or new news. Why is it to the author, or to policy makers? As for any other successful professional, quality is a combination of nature and nurture. My cardio-thoracic surgeons who saved my life were gifted because they both had natural talent and developed skills.
It is mostly the others who think this: “A fair chunk of what teachers (and others) believe about teaching is wrong.” Most teachers KNOW how hard it is to develop the necessary skills.
Let’s also not lump these all together. “Unearned praise, grouping by ability and accepting or encouraging children’s different “learning styles” are widely espoused but bad ideas. So too is the notion that pupils can discover complex ideas all by themselves.”
Unearned praise is not a teacher thing…. It is a parenting thing. We know the truth. Good teachers and administrators always have known that heterogeneous grouping works best. Again, try selling that to often biased helicopter parents. We also know that students do learn differently.
Again… We always have done this as well: “Teachers must impart knowledge and critical thinking.”
These 6 aspects of great teaching have also been passed down from professional to professional: motivation, collaboration time management, proper behavior and high, yet reachable, expectations, high-quality instruction and so-called “pedagogical content knowledge”—a blend of subject knowledge and teaching craft.”
Any principal master teacher worth her or his salt already knows: “I don’t teach physics; I teach my pupils how to learn physics.”
He left one thing out. “ I teach kids to learn to love learning.”
To infer that these are new ideas and not the common best practices of generations of teachers before Relay and its ilk showed up is a pure and unadulterated insult.
“Too often teachers are told what to improve, but not given clear guidance on how to make that change.” Yet more often they are.
I will agree that many schools of education must change. I have been saying that since I was relatively well trained back in the late 60s. Many besides myself have been hounding US schools of education to do more craft work and less theoretical. Absolutely, they should incorporate a longer student teaching or residency program.
Does this reporter look into the large and growing number of school districts in the USA who have mandated veteran teacher mentors to new teachers?
Apparently not. These districts already knew what Roland Fryer of Harvard University found: “managed professional development”, where teachers receive precise instruction together with specific, regular feedback under the mentorship of a lead teacher, had large positive effects.”
“Such environments are present in schools such as Match and North Star—and in areas such as Shanghai and Singapore”…AND IN DISTRICTS ALL ACROSS THE USA!
And of course good teachers here have always known and complained about this: “Mr. Fryer says that American school districts “pay people in inverse proportion to the value they add”. District superintendents make more money than teachers although their impact on pupils’ lives is less.”
The article warps the image of teachers in the USA. This reporter needs to get a fuller picture of the good work that has been done in teacher preparation as well as what reformers say only they can do. Shame!

But, but … real reporting is hard …
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It strains credulity to earnestly believe that the single most important influence on a child is their teachers and the schools they attend. How is it that for us uninitiated it is our families that determine most of who we are?
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My own experience is that my family, i.e., my parents and my uncles (all educated) had the most important influence on me. Teachers assisted.
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Do the math Raj. By the time you finish 8th grade you have spent less than 5% of your life under the direct influence of teachers.
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Let’s suppose we were either the HS social studies or journalism teacher of this Economist writer, what comment should we put on this “essay”…. along with your grade?
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The article is heavy on anecdote and light on evidence. Even what purports to be evidence is ludicrous.
Districts spending $18,000 year per teacher on professional development? Where?
No opportunity for teachers to receive feedback? We have long-standing models, with proven success, for peer formative feedback.
https://newteachercenter.org/approach/
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I hope Peter is ok with it…there is not a lot posted in the comment guidelines of his blog…I have been posting a running account of how the St. Louis Post Dispatch lets it appear to me that I am posting….while automatically deleting everything I post..no matter how uncontroversial or of real value….I copy the censored part, add it to a forum post, then repost it in other places—(acknowledging they are doing nothing illegal–just unethical.) I will be adding the news that Sarah Reckhow….my niece in law and his husband Matt Grossmann will be down from Michigan for a family get together in Clayton Missouri…..Sarah will be at Washington U tomorrow and Friday….and believe me, if there is a town that needs to hear her viewpoint, it is St. Louis. (she is author of Follow the Money). Matt is on a hot streak being interviewed about the presidential race, with his research about the differences in republicans and democrats (asymmetry) being used by the New Yorker, by Ezra Klein, and a couple days ago by Paul Krugman in the New York Times…..I have more questions to ask Sarah than I do Matt…..If they think they can put up with me for an hour or so…..
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how was dinner? among other things…I talked to matt and sarah about his much referenced assymetry of democrats and ideology of republicans research…..Pau;l Krugman, New York Times and Jonathan Chait of the new Republic are the latest…..however….Special moment for me…last night, I joined my family…sister Jan and husband Larry, nephew Matt Grossmann and Sarah and children for dinner in an area I never go to….Mission Taco in U. City…Matt and Sarah are nationally renowned writers….I wondered….will anybody recognize them? As we approached the entrance, one guy jumped up and said….”hey! I know you! You’re Karaoke Joe!” Have patience kids……your time will come. Sarah is presenting a study at Washington U tomorrow on the subject of what is going on with outsider money being pumped into school board elections…..I will have to keep a wary eye on the pd…..they could take a few of her words and say…….government appointed boards are the only way that is safe…sarah will be saying anything like that….i am just thrilled that st. louis has her in town….
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I got off track….Matt and David Hopkins” research on assymetry of the political parties has been widely referenced…describing the way democrats put together various groups to cooperate to get things done…..I said part of the problem with the assymetry of the democrats lately is that there is one group of voters who they are neglecting…..Sarah immediately responded ” you are talking about teachers”….I said if she and Matt get bored some time…..spend a few minutes talking about what your uncle joe mentioned…..Sarah is more optimistic about what Hillary will do than I am…..and she is more tolerant of mexican cuisine than I am……I am kind of an old grouch.
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correction….government appointed boards are the only way that is safe…sarah will NOT be saying anything like that…
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The Economist knows nothing about
teachinganythingFixed.
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Diane, I think your points are valid but if you’re trying to effectuate change, you’re not making the right points.
The American public knows “there are bad teachers out there”. The American public, at least those in the middle to upper classes, buy homes in expensive areas precisely to increase the chance that their kids have the good teachers (or avoid the bad). If you want to improve education in this country, you need to speak to them. They care, and they also have the political influence.
Put differently, you might reconsider how you “spin” things. You’re not just fighting the 1%, who know very well how to do their own spinning, you’re also trying to convince the majority of Americans that the solution to education problems in this country is not what the 1% are saying. The poverty argument, while important and valid—it’s the single most important correlate to student performance—is, sadly, not the right argument for our time, or it’s not directed to the right people. The middle class wants better schools for middle class kids. They want upward mobility or just a way to hold on to their station in life, and of course they get nervous when they think a solution to a problem means higher taxes for them.
So what’s the spin?
Teachers *do* make a difference and there aren’t enough good ones.
How do we get more of the good teachers?
1. Pay them better and give them more support.
2. Kill those parts of the reform movement that are driving away good teachers, i.e., over-testing.
3. Put policies in place that make teaching a lifelong, professional endeavor.
4. Look at other countries and adopt the best models for training, mentorship and colleagial practices, so the best teachers can share what they do and help improve the methods of others.
5. Provide tools that serve teachers and don’t try to replace them with computers. Put the “person” back in personalized learning.
6. Vastly increase family support mechanisms (tutoring, health care, daycare, etc.) so teachers can teach and not be social service providers.
7. Pay teachers better—or did I mention that already? Why shouldn’t capitalism work in the classroom? TFA, Charter networks, ed reform groups, etc., all provide excellent compensation to their directors and high-level employees, in order to attract the best and brightest. Well, of course! Exactly the same logic should apply to getting the best and brightest into schools and keeping them there.
There’s no question that the policy changes above will require higher taxes (but so do the anti-poverty programs which you imply are necessary). Fortunately, surveys consistently show that the public is willing to pay more for top-notch schools—they just don’t want their money wasted. Furthermore, there seems to be a political will, at last, to shift more of the tax burden to the top 1% or 5%, or to close corporate tax loopholes to accomplish the same thing. A very useful point to make: the middle class is getting hit already with these costs, in the form property taxes, if their only solution is to move to the places that have good schools. That’s a highly inefficient way of doing things and, unless they can afford to put their kids in a private school, not even an escape from test-mania or other lousy ed-reform ideas.
Americans need to hear the truth on this, and perhaps they’re even yearning for it in this campaign season. The solution *will* cost money, but it will be worth it, because it will put great teachers in schools. To argue that poverty has to be solved to make the schools better—well, sorry, that just won’t cut it. I’m personally moved by the argument; I’m old-fashioned and wear my heart on my sleeve. But I’m afraid we live in a culture that believes the poor will always be with us, and we use that as an excuse to do very little about it.
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DLP, I don’t see anything in your position that has not been brought up on this blog. However, when we are talking about meeting the needs of children living in poverty, the wraparound services are critical. No one has thrown up their hands and said. “Cure poverty, first!” What has been said is don’t expect schools, more specifically teachers, to overcome the stress and hardship that poverty creates through the force of pedagogy. Poverty is a societal issue that needs a societal response. Don’t blame schools and teachers for not doing what society refuses to do. It doesn’t take much to know that reducing education to scores on language arts and math tests is not going to lead to an educated populace. Your suggestions are just echoing what educators have been saying already.
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“The solution *will* cost money, but it will be worth it, because it will put great teachers in schools.”
Great teachers-ha ha ha ha ha ah ha ah ha ha ha ha! Thanks for that laugh!
Define what a “great teacher” is, please. I’ll be waiting. . . . .
Or is a great teacher like pornography in the sense of Justice Potters’ “I know it when I see it”.
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Regarding your answers: any reaction to my reaction to the ECONOMIST?
As per:
How do we get more of the good teachers?
1. Pay them better and give them more support. YES
2. Kill those parts of the reform movement that are driving away good teachers, i.e., over-testing. YES
3. Put policies in place that make teaching a lifelong, professional endeavor. YES
4. Look at other countries and adopt the best models for training, mentorship and collegial practices, so the best teachers can share what they do and help improve the methods of others. ACTUALLY YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT HERE IN THE USA FOR THESE PRACTICES AS WELL.
5. Provide tools that serve teachers and don’t try to replace them with computers. Put the “person” back in personalized learning. YES
6. Vastly increase family support mechanisms (tutoring, health care, daycare, etc.) so teachers can teach and not be social service providers. YES
7. Pay teachers better—or did I mention that already? Why shouldn’t capitalism work in the classroom? TFA, Charter networks, ed reform groups, etc., all provide excellent compensation to their directors and high-level employees, in order to attract the best and brightest. Well, of course! Exactly the same logic should apply to getting the best and brightest into schools and keeping them there. YES.
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I did an informal survey of the teachers in my elementary school building. Over 1/2 of the teachers had a different career before teaching. Most had worked in business including human resources and payroll. Two had worked in medicine, one was a journalist, and one worked in the military. This means that some of these teachers had two bachelor degrees. I personally had a BA and a a BS degree from two separate universities. A master’s degree is not required in Utah but 6 teachers had M.Ed. 2 had PH.D.’s, 25 were ESL endorsed, 6 more had reading endorsements, 3 more had math endorsements, two had art endorsements, four have endorsements in special Ed I personally have a M.Ed. and two endorsements, one in ESL and a second in special education. I am currently working on a reading endorsement. Teachers do not earn extra salary nor are education classes or required praxis tests for endorsements reimbursed. Teachers are required to participate in professional development which includes classes with observations, assignments and other assessments.
In Utah, all education programs require a minimal GPA of 3.0 for entry into the program, all require a national test of basic skills in math, language arts, science and ethics. An essay about education and an interview are also required elements of acceptance into the program. These teachers are among the best students in our university system.
Teachers are highly educated and trained. I am tired of being told by these so called journalists that teachers do not know their business. And NO people cannot just enter a classroom and know how to teach. It truly is complicated and time consuming to be a gifted teacher no matter which definition you use of that statement.
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THANK YOU. Well said.
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Way to represent Utah!
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EGADS…Yes, there are teachers who are better than others. I experienced some of the worst and the best teachers … MY EXPERIENCE. This is what my father told me: “You will meet all kinds of people in your journey through life. You have to learn how to cope, SO COPE.” My father did NOT believe in “saving his kids” by going to my school and making a huge stink. Instead, he knew that I would meet yahoos of all kinds in my journey. He did indeed give me the ability to COPE with those challenges each of us face on our journey called LIFE. And his did not mean CAVING to others in order to be liked or to move ahead by kissing someone’s behind.
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Economists have more chutzpah than the rest of us. They believe they can measure and evaluate all things known to man. What surprises me is that they consistently churn out conclusions based on false assumptions and inherent bias. They are really not scientists at all; they are just erudite number crunching “Kardashians.”
I am not an economist, but I have an opinion on the economy. It’s great for the 1%, and not so great for the rest of us. By the way all the “reform” in education is not about teaching, learning and students. If you want to learn about those things, you have to talk to an authentic teacher. “Reform” is about destroying middle class jobs, paying people less for the hard work of teaching, and turning a career into low wage temp work. It is about greed and profit for those at the top and exploitation of everybody else. But what do I know; I am not an economist.
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Retired Teacher,
The economists’ speculation is sheer speculation without evidence. It is called “back of the napkin” theory, meaning the idea was figured out on the back of a paper napkin at lunch.
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Economists give legitimate back of the napkin theorizers a bad name.
Nobel Prize winning theoretcial physicist Richard Feynman worked out some of his theory on napkins at a local strip club near Caltech.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of economists are not scientists (see Economics could be a science if more economists were scientists).
They call their field “economic science” but most of them have no clue what real science is.
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..and the economists who are involved in theorizing about education are some of the dumbest economists in the business.
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Reblogged this on DCGEducator: Doing The Right Thing and commented:
Thank You Diane Ravitch.
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“Hey guess what… reformers haven’t reinvented the wheel.”
No, but they have reinvented the square wheel!
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The idea that academics in universities are somehow experts in skill-oriented professions outside of their academic world is something that needs to be questioned. Being a university scholar involves a certain set of skills and abilities…writing papers, going to conferences, getting certifications, doing research, writing grant applications, playing politics, etc. That’s what makes one a successful “scholar”. Being a great teacher is a whole different set of skills. It means understanding the mentality of the audience, it means the ability to organize information for consumption by people who aren’t already experts. It means understanding the motivations of the students and in the case of young ones, developmental processes and a little psychological manipulation. It isn’t impossible that someone might be a great scholar and also a great teacher. There are plenty of them around, but they are definitely not the same people.
I think that this distinction goes unrecognized (probably out of political self-protection) by most scholars, not just in education either. Many professional disciplines are quite distinct from the scholarly field associated with them. Would you rather learn surgery from a great surgeon or a great medical scholar? Would you rather learn to play the trombone from a great trombonist or a great scholar of music? Would you rather learn to program computers from a great computer programmer or a great scholar in mathematics of computer science? I think that a refusal to address this distinction tremendously limits the ability of our colleges and universities to teach its students well and instead makes them cushy places for “scholars” to ply their trade when what we really need is people who can teach who are good practitioners of their particular skills.
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I appreciate your points about the distinction between scholars and practitioners.
But at the same time, I would say that lots of people who are very good at plying their trade can’t teach worth a damn AND sometimes also have no patience at all for anyone who is not up to their expectations.
I play the clarinet and have no desire to learn trombone, but if I were starting on the trombone, I’d rather learn from someone who is a decent player AND has experience teaching than from a great trombonist.
I think the biggest mistake people make is assuming that being an expert practitioner makes one qualified to teach it.
the same thing goes for being a mathematician and teaching math.
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I completely agree and I should have mentioned the obvious. Some (even most) practitioners are lousy teachers.
Of course the ideal teacher would be someone who can teach well and who is also an excellent practitioner of the art/skill at question. I doubt anybody would disagree with that. But if you had to ask about what would be next best, would you prefer a great teacher who is lousy as a practitioner or a lousy teacher who is a great practitioner? My personal history indicates that the lousy teacher who knows the subject matter extremely well would be at least capable of letting the student draw upon the great stores of knowledge and experience of the teacher as opposed to a great teacher who doesn’t really know how to play a trombone (up to a point…a completely introverted hermit who cannot speak to others without breaking out in fits of crying might not be too helpful after all).
Alas, great scholars are in many cases neither excellent teachers nor excellent practitioners of the subject they study. I guess it’s part of the old saying that “Those can do, those who can’t teach.”. In my own field (computer science), I can’t off the top of my head think of anybody who is a noted scholar in the field who has made even a small accomplishment in the field by actually creating some great new software. I’m sure that there is one somewhere, but nothing comes to mind even with a couple of minutes of noodling on it. I suspect that the actual process of building things is considered by most prestigious academics to be too grubby for them to spend their precious time on, and more the province of graduate student slave labor than something they would want to spend the time to master.
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What does a computer “scholar” do? I am not being disingenuous.
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Seriously, folks, could even one person have entertained the notion that I would not remind all and sundry of what some very old and very dead and very Greek guy had to say about this?
“Those that know, do. Those that understand, teach.”
Aristotle.
Appears he knew a thing or two.
Appears he knew how to teach a thing or two.
Perhaps he only thing he didn’t know how to do was spell R-H-E-E-P-H-O-R-M.
😎
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I was waiting for you KTA. 🙂
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Well, early in a “computer scholar’s” career he takes a few classes in programming, mostly to show the he can learn the syntax of a few computer languages (which, along with the computers he learns to use will be obsolete before he gets his first professorship position) and some classes in some basic algorithm types. He will also takes a few math classes which are mostly irrelevant to whatever comes later.He will also probably take some highly abstract classes in hardware theory, which will again, likely not lead to anything practical either, though it is good background if you can retain it.
Then he will have gone to grad school which in most places is mostly some more math classes and a period of indentured servitude to a professor whose technical skills are so weak that he cannot actually build any of the example code that is called for in his academic papers, so he needs someone with somewhat more up to date skills and the time to bang his head against a few of these problems. He will also probably teach a few very low level classes in programming.
Then he will have gone to school for another few years to get a PhD, which requires some more classes, mostly in math, and a few more years working for a professor and probably teaching some low level classes. He will also have to do a dissertation, typically on some very narrow mathematical aspect of some topic that is hot in the ACM journals these days, or related to some connection he has to some project somewhere. Here are some typical examples: http://scholarworks.umass.edu/cs_diss/
At last. he completes his dissertation and is ready to get a job as a computer science professor in some university. He writes more papers, solicits grants from the government for a research topic that’s considered “hot” in the ACM journals, hires some grad students to do his programming and perhaps other development work for him since by this time the computers and languages that he learned a decade or more ago are obsolete and unusable. He also has to teach some computer science classes to undergraduates despite having little or no experience programming outside of his having taken a few classes like these himself a decade or more ago. Repeat that for about 35 years, and then retire on your university pension.
That’s what the career of a computer science scholar looks like.
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I’m trying to figure out what part of your description makes this exemplar a scholar. From what you have said, Brian, this individual is an expert at nothing. I can’t say I ever had a professor in another discipline with so little to contribute. I did know one professor who you should have known. He would have turned your thinking on end. He was an incredible person who died much too young. Google James Tomayko to find out what a scholar in computer science might do. I don’t mean to chastise you as I didn’t think of Jim until after I asked what a computer science scholar does. He was far more than that.
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My point was not especially to be critical of these guys, or to say that none of them ever do anything other than what I described. No doubt some do, and I have met several whom I consider to be fine people doing interesting work. I was just describing what they actually do as a minimum. But in general, the career of an academic in any field is mostly focused on writing and presenting papers, writing grant proposals, and teaching classes. Few of them are actually primarily actually doing what the subject matter of their study is focused on. Most music professors don’t usually spend most of their time playing music. Most literature professors don’t spend most of their time writing novels and poems. Most computer science professors don’t spend most of their time building software or hardware. Most law school professors don’t spend most of their time practicing law. Most medical school professors don’t spend most of their time treating patients. That’s how academia is. You might think that is good or bad or mixed, but it’s also true.
It is also true that at big name schools (less so at second and third tier schools and community colleges) being a successful professor doesn’t mean being a good teacher. It means getting your papers published, getting big grants, and being a big name among your colleagues. Again, you might think this is a good thing or a bad thing, but it is a thing.
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I agree with you that professors in many disciplines have to spend an inordinate amount of time chasing funding. Where professors used to be seen as teachers, whose research was supported by the university, the insidious infiltration of corporate influence has changed the nature of the job. Departments that do not generate huge grants for their schools are being marginalized.
As to your assertion that music professors do not spend a majority of time playing music…well, maybe not. They were not hired to play music. I would find it very suspicious, though, if most professors did not enjoy their chosen professions in some way outside their jobs. Just as I am sure there are few English professors who don’t read! I taught special ed…I’m not sure what that means I should be doing outside that career. The music and art teachers I know all seem to be personally involved with those interests beyond the classroom. The same goes for other content area specialists. Math teachers get off on sports statistics or the stock market. Social studies teachers tend to be policy wonks or advocates. Excuse me for stereotyping; I am only doing it to make a point, not to characterize any one group. From the way you have framed this argument, I would guess you are a believer in the bastardized form of this old saw: “Those who can do; those who can’t teach,” but I don’t really believe that is what you intended.
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Agreed that many ivory tower professors who aren’t qualified to teach should not be teaching teachers how. As I have said many times, we need to fix that. Good Schools of ed have incorporated more high qualified teachers to teach teachers to teach as adjuncts and “field supervisors” as I was at Fordham University for 4 years, button enough do that and not enough hire enough of us.
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It is true that a lot of professors don’t have much (or any in some cases) teaching skills or training. I certainly saw a lot of that when I was in school and while I thought I did pretty well in the classes I taught in grad school I didn’t have any formal training in how to do it.
But my point was a somewhat different one. It is also often assumed and also often wrong, that university professors are expert practitioners in the subject that they study. In my experience their skills are all over the map. Some are indeed experts in doing whatever the subject happens to be, some are on the other end of the spectrum completely, while most are somewhere in between. My own field (computer science) is rife with professors who, as we said back in my school days “couldn’t program their way out of a wet paper bag”. Being a professor at a big university is mostly about getting grants and writing papers, not about being an expert at doing the activity under study. Consider professors of herpetology for example. Studying snakes is very different from being a snake. Should we expect a much different relationship between a scholar and his subject matter when it comes to being a musical performer or a software developer?
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Thanks KrazyTA
Those that know, do. Those that understand, teach.”
…and those that don’t know Aristotle, misquote.
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Why is the bogus b.s. Relay allowed to exist? I know that Cami Anderson and her ilk push this “school” – she wanted Relay to be the only “school” that teachers in Newark, NJ could go to. She gave a big middle finger to actual colleges that offer real course work and masters degrees – she prefers her reformer thieves at Relay. What the hell is our government doing? Why doesn’t it investigate and close down Relay and Broad “Academy?” I don’t get it. Never did, never will.
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The government won’t shut them down, they’re actively promoting these charlatans by funding them with our public money. Tax dollars that they’ve denied public universities is seeding the country with dumbed down teacher prep schools.
In TN The University of Memphis was coerced(?) into partnering with the Relay Graduate School of Education and TNTP (formerly known as The New Teacher Project). TNTP and Relay Graduate School of Education are now creating a new undergraduate teacher prep program designed to prepare up to 200 grads a year to be “effective in urban turn around schools.”
The Federal government is actively funding not only dumbed down teacher prep but helping privatizers profit by flooding the workforce to keep teacher wages and benefits declining.
TN’s PreK expansion grant outlines the Relay/ University of Memphis partnership. The grant also is the seed money for PreK that will eventually be funded by another taxpayer gift to Wall St -Social Impact Bonds (SIBS).
It seems that Federal Grants from DoEd are increasingly greasing the skids for edu- profiteers, Silicon Valley & Wall St. rather than using science to improve our education system. Tragic.
http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/18-states-awarded-new-preschool-development-grants-increase-access-high-quality-preschool-programs
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OMG, Cami Anderson is now employed by a think tank, Third Way Solutions. Heaven help us. I guess next she’ll be at the 74.
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