I received this letter from a teacher in Los Angeles. She has been following the heated exchanges on the blog about Rafe Esquith, the celebrated teacher and founder of the Hobart Shakespeareans who was fired by the LAUSD board. She decided it was time to set the record straight, as seen through the eyes of a teacher in LAUSD. Having heard from her before, I know she is for real. I am posting this not because I agree with it, but because I think readers will find much to discuss and debate. I make no judgment about whether Rafe is guilty or innocent. I don’t know. I am with the editorial board of the Los Angeles Times on this one. The board warned against a rush to judgment when all the facts are not known.
The teacher writes:
I assume that most LAUSD teachers do not read this blog since working as a full time LAUSD teacher and having a life for one’s self after 3 p.m. is a task in itself. From the majority of the comments posted here, I just sense that these people are not or have not been LAUSD classroom teachers, and if so, it was a while back. Sadly, the climate on LAUSD campuses has changed since the teacher jail issue and since the popularity of technology, the use of emails, private or LAUSD emails, texting, social media and so on. I believe that when the LAUSD employee is on a LAUSD campus, there may not be an expectation of privacy concerning any technology, but I am not 100% certain. This exists on many work sites, not just LAUSD. You can only have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home and that’s only if you are law abiding (not accessing illegal stuff online). Even if it’s on a privately owned cell or computer, your employer may be accessing what you do on that in order to track your behavior.
Now, what the employer does with any information he/she gathers from an employee’s information that can be found on a cell phone or computer is another story. That’s where there may be some kind of invasion of privacy, retaliation, etc… I am not a lawyer. I just have opinions.
If the publicized emails Rafe sent to students are authentic, and that’s IF they are, then Rafe may perhaps be guilty of some poor judgment, acting too silly with kids, and just, well, over stepping his boundaries a bit, but nothing severe enough to be terminated for.
One issue that I don’t read online concerning Rafe or teacher jail is this: students in many LAUSD schools can be called urban youth, inner city, at risk students, people of color, low income, struggling learners, Title One kids, or just, well, ghetto. What is not discussed is that some of these kids are CRAZY in the classroom and are not easy to educate. What I mean by CRAZY is that they have NO FILTER as to what comes out of their little, underage mouths. The students I taught knew ALL of the naughty words in two languages (but maybe needed help with spelling those words correctly!)
Over the years I heard kids talk about what they watch on TV, movies and the internet. They know about more naughty things that I didn’t even know existed until I was in high school, college and, well, I’m still learning.
Kids talked about grandma porn, watching footage of people defecating in each other’s mouths, beheadings (yes, real ones) that can be viewed online, they talked about the Jersey Shore TV show, South Park, Jackass, Sasha Baron Cohen, Dave Chappelle, etc… They knew about all of this material.
I was called “ugly” “bitch” and fill in the blank with any or all swear words insults you can think of by some of my students who were, by and large, a hoot to teach, but not so innocent in terms of language that they were very familiar with. I could not get kids to be held accountable for having a lighter or some contraband on their body because by the time they got searched by the dean of discipline, they had already keistered the item, yes, shoved it in their butt. They seemed to be experienced with doing that and I am talking about 9th graders. They talked about how to pass a drug test using someone else’s urine, how to steal cars, get away with rape.
I showed Schindler’s List, yes, that movie with the NUDITY (ooohhhh!) and year after year, a few students rooted for the Nazis even after I tried to explain to them that Nazis did not like Latinos.
Rafe is a tremendous loss to LAUSD and society.
If you view the Hobart documentary online, you see that he was more than a teacher. He was a dad, uncle, friend. If a dad or an uncle tickles a fifth grade child is that the behavior of a pedophile???? If a dad or an uncle makes comments regarding a pubescent girl and her “hotness” is that pedophilia or may it just be embarrassing for the child? Borderline inappropriate. Insensitive, sloppy, but not criminal, Not politically correct for 2015 but then what is? Some girls would not like that attention at that age or any age except from their boyfriend, husband, etc…
Some of Rafe’s students come from Korean backgrounds where a spanking may not be out of the question on child discipline, in some cases. Rafe joked about spanking. A young girl may not understand the darker, sexual, naughty side of a comment like that but Rafe seemed to be one BIG GOOF with the students. He loosened them up in order to get them to act in theater class.
I taught theater for LAUSD. The students I had, showed the personality of a wet mop while reading their lines. These are kids who have not been exposed by their own families to music, theater, or athletic activities outside of school, generally speaking. Rafe tried to break them from their shyness, their shells, to free them up.
Rafe may have deserved a talking to, a slap on the wrist for some of these emails that are taken out of context. Some of the emails show a tone of Rafe coming off as a “sugar daddy” with students. Rafe is an older gentleman, harmless, a ham, creative. He wanted his students to succeed more than ANYTHING, to excel, to thrive and compete. He is not perfect nor is anyone. Think of a few of your favorite teachers. Were they infallible Mother Theresas? I learned so much from a few teachers who were faarrrr from perfect! But that’s another essay to write.
Besides that I have witnessed numerous male teachers shower certain, pretty students with flirtatious toned banter, and these men still have their teaching jobs, and two male teachers at one school where I worked were rumored to have married their female students. Please, what actionable crime did Rafe commit?
Some girls in LAUSD high schools and even middle school dress like they are going to a red light district, for example, they wear low rise jeans where the tushie spills out when they sit to reveal thong underwear, skin tight white t-shirts with black bra, you name it, they wear it. I had some 17 year old students talk in class about how they buy each other vibrators for their birthdays. This was a few years back, before teacher jail was talked about, but if a LAUSD classroom teacher even speaks the word “vibrator” in a class, that grounds for termination right there. End of story.
America is a FAKE puritanical country. If fact, our society is so not in touch with its own bipolarness full of smut peddling and acting, like we can’t say “naked” in a classroom, however, I wouldn’t have it any other way (except someone please pull the curtain on the whole Khardashian clan). I wouldn’t want to live in a “real” puritanical country, would you? Our American princess Kim K. got started on the fame track with a sex video and shoots to international stardom.
In contrast, Rafe, tirelessly worked for decades to give kids a chance at realizing their dreams, gets vilified and tarred and feathered for having an eye for a pretty girl, being sloppy and over-exaggerated in emails (and a little bit inappropriate), and spoke the word “naked”? Something seems wrong. Where was the due process??? Oh yeah. It’s LAUSD, a school district that seems to be shutting down, snuffing out teachers who don’t show up ten minutes before class starts and teach to tests that these students don’t understand. LAUSD teachers don’t speak up on behalf of a co-worker when they KNOW the district is railroading them out of their career, in fact, they mostly all aid the district. By the way people, it’s teachers and administrators who send a teacher to teacher jail—not students. Just a rumor I may have heard. Rafe will be missed by so many but many teachers on campus nowadays will be forgotten like unwashed gym clothes left in a locker.
Thanks to this teacher for presenting the real inner city world that I have seen for years as an educational researcher. And for the reality of trying to teach students who are only at school because the law says they must be.
I have no interest in reading what unidentified people write. If you do not identify yourself, you can be hiding behind a pseudonym as one more Broad/LAUSD/privatizers troll, or one of their paid shills.
Or you may be just one more whacko like the “shaman”….
I am through on this thread and understand why none of my respected colleagues who often comment, have stayed far away from this issue.
If this is representative of teachers in LAUSD, then maybe a wholesale cleaning of the house is in order. The fact that “urban youth” are crude does not excuse teachers from engaging in that type of behavior. There are many kids who see school as a respite. Apparently, the teachers feel free to follow the worst of their students to the lowest of lows without any repercussions.
Please, other teachers speak up. I had concerns about teachers protecting ineffective teachers. Now I am rather shocked to see teachers protecting perverts and pedophiles. If this is the culture of teachers in any district, then they should all be replaced with charters. This is absolutely terrifying for a parent.
Virginia, I don’t think any evidence has been presented, even by LAUSD, that shows Rafe is a pedophile.
I agree with you Virginia. Regardless of how the KIDS are speaking, NO NO NO…as a teacher, you do NOT get to use the term “vibrator” in a classroom. You do NOT get to “tickle” your students, you do not get to threaten to “spank” them, or call them “hot.” Never EVER. I do NOT understand the rationalizations by fellow educators for this man’s behavior.
Beemo
100+%!!!!!!!!!!
Just for the record:
I don’t approve of a teacher making those remarks to his students. But let’s be clear about the e-mails and not do exactly what the LAUSD report seemed to intend for us to do.
These e-mails were sent to former students approximately 3 years after this man taught them. They were still far too young and if you are a teacher and you want to be perfectly safe, you should NEVER have any correspondence with any student whatsoever about any personal things. Period. Because anything you say can be taken out of context and look improper. And people will assume you are sexually abusing all your 10 year old students and demand you never have contact with any person under the age of 18 for the remainder of your life.
I don’t think this teacher is objective, and I agree with you virginiasgp. The difference between students’ behavior, no matter how gross, vulgar, or immoral, and our behavior is that we are adults, hired to show students how to live and be in the world, and if we can’t to still be role models ourselves. I do think this kind of thinking is why charters are cropping up all over. If this kind of behavior was going on in my son or daughter’s school (either the alleged behavior or a frame-up), he or she would be out of there pronto.
Who is protecting “perverts and pedophiles”? That is disgusting to suggest and reeks of a hanging mentality complete with mob rule. I would NEVER protect a pedophile and have never seem this “culture”. If anything, charter teachers have fewer avenues and support. Witness Ohio where former Gulen school teachers reported disturbing incidents against the charters and were attacked by the Republican establishment – many who benefitted from Gulen school lobbying.
I have seen vindictive parents ruin a good teacher. High school kids can, and do, put teachers in very difficult situations. You have to be an adult and have values, morality, and ethics. I have seen teachers accused of horrific actions by very troubled students. I have seen abused kids demonstrate behavior inappropriate for their age that just breaks your heart. And teens are exposed to much more trash to try and process than any previous generation. Listen in on a lunch conversation.
If you do not want to be terrified, know your school and teachers. Support the good teachers rather than a blanket indictment so typical of the anti-teacher movement.
Ms. Ravitch, why do you even tolerate this troll? It has been banned from many websites, and it complains constantly about said bans, like a cry baby. It is a one note pony (to mix metaphors) and its mind can never be liberated. To it, all teachers are union shills interested only in the $50,000 a year salary and perks, such as paying into an other wise non-funded pension, and paying for 1/3 of your health insurance, and starting $100,000 in debt, and being treated poorly by the government and the reformers.
Virginia, just go away. No one cares about your opinions.
MathVale, folks that said this could not possibly be true when the charges first emerged are exactly the ones who are protecting these creeps. And let me explain why.
We all know there is an attack the victim mentality when those in power are alleged to have committed such crimes. Everyone deserves due process and the right to innocence until being proven guilty in a court of law. However, they do not have the right to remain in contact with young kids when there are legitimate questions concerning their behavior. Whether it is Jay Mathews of WP who said Rafe was being “persecuted” before having seen any of the evidence or many teachers on here who instantly blamed LAUSD for “railroading” a great educator.
I still don’t know exactly what went on but if the emails are true, then Rafe should not be teaching kids. As to the other charges, those are more serious and deserve to be decided in court. But when folks aren’t open to the possibility that a teacher could take advantage of his/her power position, it scares the bejeesus out of parents. There should be a collective voice saying 1) give Rafe due process but 2) investigate the allegations seriously. If they turn out to be false, folks should sing from the mountaintops that Rafe was innocent. But you can’t dismiss these allegations which turned out to be true (inappropriate emails at least).
So MathVale, how exactly does one “know their school and teachers”? Is that as foolish as it sounds? Pedophiles look for vulnerable kids. Others often have no idea they are preying on specific kids. Pedophiles don’t go after every child since they would be identified. I don’t know the specifics but in the emails, Rafe seemed to clearly hone in on vulnerable girls (felt they were not pretty) who became dependent on him for money and was milking it for all it was worth. I spend an inordinate amount of time preparing my kids to fight off such attacks. But many disadvantaged kids don’t have such home support. That’s why such charges must be instantly investigated. Your notion that parents can “know their teachers” is beyond naive.
As for Donna, I guess you have nothing to really say, eh? I haven’t been banned from any news site. Politicians trying to hide their corruption have banned me from their limited public forum Facebook pages and are going to lose in federal court. Where do you live Donna? I see you support unprofessional educators having contact with vulnerable students. Maybe the parents in your district should be aware of your beliefs.
I graduated from a small-town high school in 1965. Five years earlier, a new boy’s PE teacher and coach was hired, and one of my classmates clearly had a major crush on him. What became clear to the rest of us he was intrigued. They married within a year after our graduation. What might have been going on prior to that is anyone’s guess—this was before pedophilia was a topic to be discussed in polite company.
During that same period, another teacher was well-known for being hands-on with girls. He meant nothing sexual by it; he had an instinct for knowing when someone needed an arm around the shoulders. He was one of the best teachers I had, and his attention gave me self-esteem I sorely needed.
Some years after I graduated, I heard someone had reported him for “inappropriate conduct.” He went on to teach at the local university.
I agree—this is an unfortunate situation that needs to be played out to the end; and even then it’s a given there are those who will disagree with whatever the conclusion is. However, the subjectivity of the response of a particular student to a particular teacher’s manner is an important factor. I’ve read Mr. Esquith’s lawyers’ response to the Times article, which casts doubt on the authenticity of the emails published on the basis Mr. Esquith didn’t use his school-district email. So, two sides, and newspaper reports aren’t legal evidence.
“I’ve read Mr. Esquith’s lawyers’ response to the Times article, which casts doubt on the authenticity of the emails published on the basis Mr. Esquith didn’t use his school-district email. ” Where can this response be read?
Google “Esquith attorneys respond”
Also, Diane posted a link to the letter a few days ago.
It’s on Scribd, or was when I posted. I’ve not seen any updates since.
“If the publicized emails Rafe sent to students are authentic, and that’s IF they are, then Rafe may perhaps be guilty of some poor judgment, acting too silly with kids, and just, well, over stepping his boundaries a bit, but nothing severe enough to be terminated for.”
I can agree with the “if the emails are authentic part”, but after that I feel like I’ve stepped onto another planet. On my planet, the only possible defense for those emails is that Esquith didn’t write them. If he did, I cannot get my head around how anyone can justify them. They are not just “acting too silly”. They are predatory. These emails are explicitly about sex and control. There is evidence from the girls’ responses that they felt very uncomfortable and didn’t know how to respond to them. In one exchange it’s very clear that the girl’s friends told Esquith to back off and he’s playing the hurt “poor me” role.
Another very disturbing set of exchanges has to do with the alleged theft of the hairdryer from the hotel. Esquith tells the girl’s older sibling that her behavior cost him a thousand dollars. The email from the hotel says the hairdryer cost $40, yet Esquith sent $200 – the hotel is confused what to do with that overpayment. Esquith tells the girls that, sadly, he had no choice but to contact the police, when in fact he did no such thing.
And then there’s the email where he rants to another girl all about the things he did for another girl and then she had the nerve – THE NERVE! – to turn away from him. Clearly an expectation that his “gifts” give him control over these girls.
I probably shouldn’t wade back into this – I feel like I just got the stench washed off me from the weekend post. But seriously folks, if you want to destroy public education, the best thing you can do is continue to defend this guy while the evidence stacks up against him. He has made no claim that the emails were planted or forged – in fact, Geragos admitted he wrote them when he said that they were “improperly obtained” and that they were “taken out of context”. If you want this class action lawsuit to have a future, the best thing to do is walk away from Esquith. He may not be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, but that’s not a necessary standard for a termination proceeding. If he wrote the emails, he deserved to be terminated. Full stop.
Hey dear respected pal…we DO NOT WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS until it is presented in a court of law under oath. Until then, this is all conjecture.
Ellen – no, again, that absolutely is not true. This is not about a lawsuit. This is about a termination. This is the evidence used as the basis of Esquith’s termination. Esquith had appeals options available – he chose not to avail himself of them. Given his choice, LAUSD’s verdict is final. As FLERP! pointed out over the weekend, this may be the last that’s ever heard of this case. The class action lawsuit might never see the light of day. No criminal charges have been filed against him (which is not necessary to fire him), so the issue of “innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is not relevant here.
Yes, conjecture is what is implied in the statement, “If he wrote the emails, he deserved to be terminated.” If is conjecture. But if he did, there is no excuse for those emails. I can’t believe that’s controversial. Especially among teachers. Gee, I just don’t know whether sexually suggestive emails to 13 and 14 year old former students are okay or not…, said no one ever who truly cares about children.
If these actions crossed the line into sexual abuse, non-reporting becomes a crime.if we think someone is abusing a child, we cannot choose to ignore it.
LAUSD has systematically accused thousands of veteran, older teacher of misconduct and incompetence for many years beginning with Cortines and going into overdrive with Dz. how can anyone think that these witch hunts against our best assets are justified. This behavior should be called what it is, criminal. Not by teachers but by LAUSD. False accusations, defamation of character and livelihood, denial of due process. The real criminal is the district and its arrogance in decimating our teaching staff. You say the teacher’s union will fight for teacher. Ha!!!
“Another very disturbing set of exchanges has to do with the alleged theft of the hairdryer from the hotel. Esquith tells the girl’s older sibling that her behavior cost him a thousand dollars. The email from the hotel says the hairdryer cost $40, yet Esquith sent $200 – the hotel is confused what to do with that overpayment. Esquith tells the girls that, sadly, he had no choice but to contact the police, when in fact he did no such thing.”
And then he contacts the headmaster of the girl’s current school and tries to convince him to revoke her scholarship because, “In my opinion . . . this goes beyond a reprimand.”
Ah, yes, forgot that lovely detail. What a charmer.
“…I cannot get my head around how anyone can justify them. They are not just “acting too silly”. They are predatory. These emails are explicitly about sex and control. There is evidence from the girls’ responses that they felt very uncomfortable and didn’t know how to respond to them.”
Spot on. IF these emails are real, there simply is no justification for this type of behavior. You don’t “fight fire with fire” in public schools. Just because the students are overexposed to sex does not justify a teaching professional adult to engage in such banter. Wrong on so many levels…IF these are true allegations. A teacher’s role extends to appropriate behavior in public as a representative citizen; it is not enough to just inspire students. I don’t give anyone a pass for crossing this line, no matter how well they taught students within the subject matter…again IF the evidence is valid.
Dienne, What you said! You expressed my feeling about this issue exactly. It’s as though the people defending this guy cannot see the forest for the trees.
FLERP! if the entire report consisted of the incident of the hair dryer, what would you think? Would you be outraged?
Imagine you are a teacher who has arranged for a scholarship for one of your many needy students to a private school. One reason the scholarship was awarded is that you have a relationship with the private school and recommend students whose character you vouch for and you take that very seriously. You believe that child has not only stolen something from a hotel room, but also lied about it and never responded to e-mails in which you demanded — over and over again in no uncertain terms — an explanation for stealing someone else’s property.
You are so incensed that this child is now reflecting badly on your reputation that you contact the private school where you had previously vouched for her upstanding character to inform them and tell them that they should drop the scholarship.
Is it overly harsh? Sure. If you learned a teacher did that would you find him the most reprehensible person on earth who should never be near children again? I doubt it.
Notice that there is no suggestion whatsoever in this very in-depth investigation that Rafe was ever having any kind of sexually inappropriate e-mail correspondence with this student. None. No jokes with this student, no real correspondence at all. Except that he is really mad that (he thinks) she stole the hair dryer when she was representing his Shakespeare group. And his reaction — to inform her current private school so her scholarship can be given to a “more worthy” student who doesn’t steal – is certainly over the top, but no more so than his reaction when he learned a student was smoking and “threw the pack of cigarettes” at her and castigated her in front of other kids. I don’t have a problem with criticisms his harsh discipline methods. I DO have a problem with this attempt to smear him as a someone who sexually abuses children based only on e-mail correspondence with a few former students when the investigator had no interest in asking any of those students why they were e-mailing a FORMER teacher in the first place.
“FLERP! if the entire report consisted of the incident of the hair dryer, what would you think? Would you be outraged?”
I don’t know if I’d be “outraged.” I’d probably just think, “My lord, this guy is really vindictive.”
“I DO have a problem with this attempt to smear him as a someone who sexually abuses children based only on e-mail correspondence with a few former students when the investigator had no interest in asking any of those students why they were e-mailing a FORMER teacher in the first place.”
I assume you’re not saying that I’m trying to “smear him as someone who sexually abuses children.” I don’t think I’ve said anything more than that the e-mail exchanges are disturbing. The report — that’s another matter. The report does allege that he engaged in abuse. I don’t find those allegations compelling as presented. The alleged conduct is so severe, but the allegations themselves are just conclusory statements with no detail. They read as they consist of nothing other than statements of the alleged victims. I won’t wade into the issue of whether multiple victim statements by themselves are a sufficient basis for termination, because I’ve never given it much thought and I can imagine that the issue could get complex depending on the circumstances (including, above all, the credibility of the victim-witness). In this case, in this statement of charges, the allegations feel thin to me. Would I be shocked to learn that the teacher had, in fact, engaged students physically? No. Do I have any reliable basis to believe he did? No.
“. . . . based only on e-mail correspondence with a few former students when the investigator had no interest in asking any of those students why they were e-mailing a FORMER teacher in the first place.”
A word on this language, which bothers me: I know you’ve said that you’re not trying to “blame the victim.” But the language you use here, and which you’ve used in one of the other threads, seems to me to suggest that there is a reasonable possibility that none of these students were victims in the first place. I would be interested to see the full context of the email exchanges, although I don’t know that’ll ever happen. But the snippets in the statement of charges leave me with no doubt that these students were victims. The students’ motivations are immaterial to what I find alarming about the emails. If I saw these emails on my daughter’s email account, and I asked her about them, and she told me it was no big deal, that she didn’t mind it, that they were just goofing around, I wouldn’t say to myself, “Well, that’s a relief, I guess my fears were overblown.” I might be even more heartbroken to hear her say that, and perhaps more fearful that something worse had happened, if not to her than to another child. Because the goal of someone who communicates like that with 12-14 year old girls is certainly not to alarm and upset them. The goal is to make it seem ok, no big deal, just goofing around.
“…..the snippets in the statement of charges leave me with no doubt that these students were victims….”
Victims of what? Could you be more specific? They were victims of sexual abuse? Victims of inappropriate behavior?
Using the word “victim” is very loaded. I think you would agree with me that more than one 5 year old child was a victim of the harsh punishment designed so that kids on the “got to go” list would leave Success Academy Charter School. The principal at Success Academy who put together the list named nine specific 5 and 6 year old children as victims to be targeted. Right? Each of them was a victim of that principal’s bad actions.
“I know you’ve said that you’re not trying to “blame the victim.” That’s a pretty ironic statement coming from someone only happy to defend the people blaming the victim when the victims are 5 year old children who can’t sit still their first week of school. Making them feel misery until they realize it won’t stop until they leave? Hey, that’s not “victimizing” them, that’s just their own darn fault for being the terrible and violent children they are.
Try not to project your friends’ “blame the victim” attitude on me. Unlike the people who blame 5 year old victims, I have NEVER suggested here that the teens did something to deserve receiving these inappropriate e-mails from a FORMER teacher. (Unlike those 5 year old victims you don’t care about, these teens didn’t have to leave their school to escape from their victimizer.)
I have said that this investigation didn’t try to get the whole story. It was designed to imply this teacher was a sexual abuser, period. Suggesting that there is something wrong with this kind of investigation is not “blaming the victim”. Suggesting that the abuse is the victim’s fault is ‘blaming the victim” and we both know who does that kind of blaming the victim. I wish that bothered you even a tiny bit.
I don’t know whether or not Rafe is guilty of sexual abuse. I do believe he is guilty of crossing a line with two former students that he should not have crossed, but it isn’t clear whether that happened only in a rare e-mail exchange, or was part of a larger pattern of coercion or abuse. I would welcome a more through and complete investigation. I believe a report filled with pages of innuendo and no attempt to find out the truth to be thoroughly suspect. Why? And is this the model of the investigation you hope will be done by people looking to vindicate the “victims” at certain charter schools?
Any of us that have been teaching for many years would have to look at the allegatioins of LAUSD as suspect. It seems as if they were digging for anything they could find by having to reach back 30 years for allegations and complaints. As a union rep, I have sat in on many admin/teacher grievance meetings and the things that admin will say absolutely astonishes me. Most discipline problems are created by bad administrators that throw everything but the kitchen sink at the offending teacher when they are trying to prove themselves right.
What is most suspect – if all of this horrible stuff was going on, why did it not get noticed? No one over the course of 30+ years said anything to anyone? And if something was reported why is it only a problem in 2015?
The sad thing here is that everyone loses in this situation. Mr. Esquith will most likely never teach again, LAUSD will continue to harrass teachers and students will never be able to participate in the wonderful Shakespere program again.
What if it did get noticed and LAUSD has been covering for him all this time?
Then each and every person at LAUSD who had any information on any illegal behaviors that may have happened, and these folks hid it, should be the prime target of inverstigation. If they, the administrators and the BoE, hid info on one teacher for over 35 years, how many others have they protected from charges, and why would they do that?
You have wandered into emotional lalaland.
Folks who have no idea of the boundaries and the law for running public schools should not even be in this conversation.
“…why would they do that?”
They would do that for the same reasons that Penn would protect Sandusky. As long as he’s popular, influential, winning awards and acclamations, getting media attention and in general making them look good, it’s in their interest to look the other way. Once Esquith started making noise and becoming a thorn in LAUSD’s side, they decided to take him out. Again, it doesn’t make LAUSD look good. But that doesn’t mean Esquith looks good either.
Teresa writes “No one over the course of 30+ years said anything to anyone? And if something was reported why is it only a problem in 2015?”
The film “Spotlight” has a lot to say about this.
“The sad thing here is that everyone loses in this situation. Mr. Esquith will most likely never teach again, LAUSD will continue to harrass teachers and students will never be able to participate in the wonderful Shakespere program again.”
We often see how quickly this country forgets, and people can have second lives: Clinton, Jimmy Swaggart.
When bothers me is that if the descriptions and quotes are authentic, then what had been going on for years was not unknown to other adults, much less students. Yet as in so many cases, there was silence, and more happens. Sometimes teachers are passed on to other schools.
It seems that LAUSD had been trying to fire Esquithfor a while, and only now these charges appear. That’s understandable, because some folks in LAUSD may have real problems in letting this continue for so long.
No one is factoring in the philosophy of John Deasy in all of this. He wanted older teachers fired “rapidly” so as to cut the budget. Cortines and Deasy, and the puppet masters like Broad, have been determined to get rid of the higher salaried teachers just before their contractual lifetime benefits vest….these means the district is actually attempting to breech these contracts and to steal these teachers health care and pensions. These benefits were often earned by years in the most difficult classrooms in the inner city of LA, like Hobart school..
Pensions and health care are NOT gifts from the district, but rather they are part of a deferred salary.
By rigging the deck with false charges, as 1000s of teachers in LAUSD claim, and putting them in teacher jail and then firing them, the district saves about $60K a year per teacher.
Rafe is just one in a long line of teachers to whom this happened. He, because of his prominence as an exemplary teacher whose students ended up attending universities and succeeding in life, a proven fact, is becoming the voice of all teachers in this odious district. His class action lawsuit against the district will reveal endless evidence….so let’s not keep up this teacher bashing with NO real evidence except a list produced as a ‘statement for dismissal’ by the defendants, and published by the newspaper that supports privatizing all the public schools.
This will all come out in a court of law…and NO ONE should ever be tried by media, which creates news for profits. What you have read in the LA Times may all be fantasy and betrayal constructed by the lawyers and leaders of LAUSD. This has happened before. Or it may not…but hopefully some truth will appear in the courtroom…under oath for perjury.
Peter Smyth, who said “LAUSD had been trying to fire Equith for a while?” I’ve never heard that asserted. In fact, it appears to be complete nonsense.
Oh boy, here we go again . . .
The siren song of the page view and comment counters. Who among us can resist?
I agree with your sentiment about Esquith, students will be deprived of a teacher who truly cares. I also agree that teachers don’t support their colleagues enough. What you have wrong is that the many of the people who comment here are not teachers. I have obtained so much information from teachers or educators from this site. I for one give my experience in LAUSD and teacher jail. I do not agree with your statement that teachers are responsible for sending other teacher to teacher jail. What send teachers to jail is being outspoken, a whistleblower, a veteran over 40 yrs, high salaried with or near investing in retirement benefits. After knowing many teacher jail teachers, the last group they would blame is teachers.
Resist, Duane, resist!
We’re not speaking about legal standards for criminal prosecution, but rather about professional judgement and conduct around children. They are very different matters and should not be confused.
Mr. Esquith and his lawyer are not contesting the veracity of the emails, but rather their context and how they were obtained (which seems to be a legitimate issue).
Again, we’re dealing with the complexities and paradoxes of individual and group behavior. Mr. Esquith is by all descriptions a superlative teacher, but that does not mean it was impossible that he overstepped the bounds of professional conduct with his students, children all. My daughters have long since graduated from the NYC public schools, but any teacher relating to them the way Esquith apparently was with some of his students would have heard about it from my wife and I, no matter how good a teacher he was. And rightfully so.
On a political level, it’s madness to invest your hopes and struggles for progress against the evils of the LAUSD in the person of someone who at this point can be discredited very easily by the words he himself wrote. Is that what is defenders really want? If so, prepare for even more demonization before a public already used to hearing teachers scapegoated; only, this time, the demonization will having a better chance of sticking.
I hope Mr. Esquith is exonerated – to me, that would mean the emails are false, not just “taken out of context” – and that his class action suit is successful, but that’s a very different matter from going to the barricades with him as your standard, given what has transpired and what he seems to have admitted to.
I agree with this but can we please stick to the facts.
Rate seems to have “overstepped the bounds of professional conduct” with FORMER students a few years after they left his school. They were still young teens, so he needed to be extremely careful to never overstep those bounds, however, and he did not.
But pretending these is no difference whatsoever with having those kinds of e-mails exchanges with current students and those who were students 3 years ago and are no longer in your school is not right. Castigate Rafe for his “sins”, but don’t pretend his sins were something they weren’t. There is no evidence for it yet. He would not be the first middle school teacher who was so beloved by his students they kept in touch and probably wrote far too personal things (or discussed them in person). Rafe should not have written those things, but that is very different than pretending he did so to students currently in his school.
^^^typo: sentence should read “They were still young teens, so he needed to be extremely careful to never overstep those bounds, however, and he DID overstep those bounds.
NYC public school parent,
If those emails were written by Esquith, (and his lawyer has essentially admitted that they were) it matters not one iota whether they were addressed to current or former students; that’s a distinction without a difference, since he was still communicating with minors.
Calling early adolescent girls who are dealing with growing up and body-image issues in a society that sexualizes children “beautiful,” if intended to shore up their self-esteem and confidence, is one thing. Calling them “sexy” and “hottie” is another entirely, and is (or should be seen as) unambiguously inappropriate and creepy.
Does that make him a pedophile or child abuser? Of course not, and no one criticizing his judgement or actions is doing so – that’s a straw man argument his defenders have been making – but, if the emails were written by him, it raises serious questions about how he related to his students, and should at a minimum completely rule out trying to use him as a political martyr in defense of public school teachers.
Thank you Michael. Courts and other bodies can decide the credibility of the charges. But we all need to distance ourselves from the actions the charges describe. Nothing can make them less unacceptable no matter the person.
Diane Ravitch states “I make no judgment about whether Rafe is guilty or innocent. I don’t know. I am with the editorial board of the Los Angeles Times on this one. The board warned against a rush to judgment when all the facts are not known.”
Diane’s position is very fair and I had stated many months ago that we need to wait for the outcome and not make a judgement based on news reports, allegations, feelings and other unproven evidence.
I can only add that LAUSD has stated their position in detail for the dismissal of Rafe Esquith. Rafe Esquith has not contested his dismissal. These are facts.
At some point in time it is also known that LAPD was investigating this issue and the outcome of the investigation has not been released as yet. If LAPD finds some issues (criminal) it will then be handled by the state (Local DA will take over).
There is another issue that will be litigated (civil law suit not criminal) possibly as a class action law suit by attorneys for Rafe Esquith. They will be seeking monetary compensation from the LAUSD. The outcome of this civil law suit will have to wait many years from now.
I’m concerned with some of the assumptions made in this letter and some of the, frankly, racist and sexist positions of this educator. Let me be clear, this is not a political correctness issue. This is a systemic mistreatment of marginalized communities’ issue.
If you believe in Rafe, this testimony of his character does NOT support his innocence. Rafe needs to show that he does not indulge in the behaviors which are outlined, and then justified, by the author of this letter.
“Kids talked about grandma porn, watching footage of people defecating in each other’s mouths, beheadings (yes, real ones) that can be viewed online, they talked about the Jersey Shore TV show, South Park, Jackass, Sasha Baron Cohen, Dave Chappelle, etc… They knew about all of this material.”
The point is as an educator, the standards for your behavior and the things you say/reference are higher than the standards for the students you are teaching. Pulling kids up to understand social norms is a part of your job. You can do this in part by example.. you know..like NOT sexualizing female students. Furthermore, the examples of what these students are exposed to have little to do with their socioeconomic or race backgrounds as much as it has to do with the popcultural phenomenon of the internet. To associate the described vulgarity or violence as racially/socioeconomically endemic rather than systemic, is just racist and classest.
“If a dad or an uncle tickles a fifth grade child is that the behavior of a pedophile????”
Just to clarify for everyone reading, in case someone is still doing this, the answer is sometimes. If a child says stop and the tickling is nonconsensual but the second party continues, it can actually be considered a type of physical abuse. SO DON’T do that. Also, a young person’s nonviolent behavior shouldn’t justify whether or not they are touched by a teacher.
“If a dad or an uncle makes comments regarding a pubescent girl and her “hotness” is that pedophilia or may it just be embarrassing for the child? Borderline inappropriate. Insensitive, sloppy, but not criminal, Not politically correct for 2015 but then what is? Some girls would not like that attention at that age or any age except from their boyfriend, husband, etc…”
There are many problems with this statement and what follows.
Just two pointers on this section of the letter:
-Adults in positions of power (parental, teacher) shouldn’t be actively trying to physically shame or embarrass children. Especially individuals who are NOT parents.
-One way to greatly combat the message that we send to young girls that their bodies are objects and only subject to the male gaze is by letting them wear what they are comfortable in and having control of their body in this way. Genuinely, this subject about women’s clothing is a long, whole other conversation. But summing it up as “these girls were asking for it” is A PROBLEM. REALLY A PROBLEM.
If anyone really believes that this teacher did not do these things, you should distance this letter from him as much as possible. People are complicated, but if Rafe did any of the things listed here because he shares the beliefs of this author, then he is most certainly guilty and deserves to be in prison.
Good points, Miho.
“….summing it up as “these girls were asking for it” ….”
Asking for WHAT??? That’s what is so offensive about this report. When you use the term “asking for it”, that implies someone was sexually abused.
Were they “asking” to have an informal relationship with a teacher from 3 years ago and have e-mail exchanges where he made a reference to spanking and their appearance, boyfriends, and sex? Did they even notice that he once made a reference to spanking among the 100s of e-mails they received from them? Did his forwardness bother them but they felt some obligation to keep writing to him and telling him stuff about their lives, or answering his constant barrage (or perhaps just three times out of hundreds) of e-mails asking for details of their love lives? We don’t know because they weren’t asked. Maybe they felt pressured. But to equate this with rape, and saying that his defenders are insisting that the teens were “asking for it”, is pretty outrageous given the facts we have. It’s very strange to see LAUSD’s unwillingness to actually talk to these girls to find out.
Standards for professional behavior, please. I find it ironic that standards are different for some people. We have a known harasser and sexual predator as superintendent. We have a BOE that votes to terminate teachers without opening their file but deferring to a lynch mob professional staff created to find dirt on older, veteran, outspoken whistleblowers, we have administrators paid by private corporation in decision-making positions within LAUSD. I could go on and on. Discrimination is applying different rules and standards for some people and not others. Lausd’s standards of professional conduct are DISCRIMINARY and biased.
Thanks Dienne!
And NYC PS Parent, Cool, I see the confusion-let me clarify. When I say “summing it up as “these girls were asking for it”” I’m saying that this AUTHOR is justifying inappropriate sexual behavior (like in the emails) as a thinly veiled version of “these girls were asking for it,” which is now a trope-phrase that indicates it’s the victims fault for the behavior of the perpetrator. I don’t agree with the view that the students held the same responsibility in making boundaries and halting the conversation that Rafe (an adult in authority) did.
ONE example of this type of language in author’s writing:
“Some girls in LAUSD high schools and even middle school dress like they are going to a red light district, for example, they wear low rise jeans where the tushie spills out when they sit to reveal thong underwear, skin tight white t-shirts with black bra, you name it, they wear it. I had some 17 year old students talk in class about how they buy each other vibrators for their birthdays. This was a few years back, before teacher jail was talked about, but if a LAUSD classroom teacher even speaks the word “vibrator” in a class, that grounds for termination right there. End of story.”
I don’t agree with this writer. But I also find the LAUSD report to be written in a way that is trying to convince people that Rafe is sexually abusing some of his 5th grade students. What the evidence shows right now is that he continued to maintain a relationship with FORMER students long after they graduated from his elementary school and were students at entirely different schools. And, a few years after he taught them, when those students were young high school students, on at least 3 or 4 occasions his correspondence with them was far too casual and seemed to have sexual innuendos that are inappropriate. They were never outright obscene, but it is certainly possible to read into A FEW of them an old man’s crush on a pretty young 14 year old. Those e-mails did seem to “cross a line” that was inappropriate, but it is unclear whether the bulk of their correspondence was not of this nature. It IS clear that the LAUSD did not want to hear from the recipients of the e-mails or their parents, which is certainly odd. While none of the teens he corresponded with was technically his student, nor had they been for some time, he was still an adult and they were 14 and he should have been very careful of his language. On the other hand, some of his language does read like over the top almost theatrical praise. He doesn’t write that the girl is beautiful – he writes she is “Beautiful. Elegant. Dazzling. Sexy. Gorgeous.” And in the same conversation writes “don’t argue, hottie.” When you look at it out of context, you realize it COULD be his attempt at an appropriate relationship, which is why you would certainly want to talk to the recipients. And if there was any suggestion from one of them that he acted like a dirty old man with them, that would be a different matter. But there is none of that. Maybe that means he should be fired, but I believe if you have a reason to fire someone, be honest about it. If you have a case to invade Iraq, be honest about it. If you need to mislead the public with exaggerated evidence of wrongdoings because you are scared they won’t agree with you, then maybe you need to go back to work and find real evidence against this man (i.e., talk to the recipients of the e-mails) or find real evidence that Saddam had WMD (i.e. let the inspectors do their job again). Or just offer up the truth without embellishment and let the chips fall where they may. Nothing justifies misleading the public and the people who think misleading the public is perfectly fine if it gets you what you want are playing a very dangerous game. One day, those kind of faux “investigations” might be turned against you. And there will be no one to speak out.
^^typo: “it could be his attempt at an INappropriate relationship…”
While it might be titillating to read details or fascinating to parse legal matters, there are so many aspects of this situation that deserve a closer look beyond—and regardless of—Esquith’s guilt or innocence. As the parent of two LAUSD students, I keep asking myself how can I be confident that my own children are safe in our schools? That’s the school district’s larger responsibility in this situation, both keeping our children safe and reassuring the public that they are. Yet, I find nothing that reassures me in this situation.
As usual, we are offered only extremes; either the children are safe or the teacher has rights. We can’t have both, which, of course, is nonsense.
Removing a teacher who seems far from proven guilty is not reassuring to me at all, especially when the accusations include misbehavior before the teacher ever worked for LAUSD. This slipped by the future employer? Maybe LAUSD should sic its so-called Tiger Team on its job applicants before they ever reach the classroom rather than deep diving the personal lives after the district has already found its own reason to get rid of them. By the way, if they’re relying on search firms to perform that function, they might be disappointed. The one they’re using for a superintendent right now just failed to uncover serious accusations of child abuse under the supervision of the superintendent it found for Minneapolis, according to writer Sarah Lahm http://www.brightlightsmallcity.com/minneapolis-school-board-may-be-forced-to-rethink-sergio-paez/ (and later reported by NPR).
What is LAUSD doing to prevent the situations like they’re accusing Esquith of from happening in the first place?
Is there a specific code of conduct for teachers communicating with students outside the classroom? Should teachers be required to use their school district emails so that they are available for monitoring if there is a concern? Are principals and teachers trained in just how not to cross a line and how to avoid even the appearance of impropriety? Are parents, particularly new immigrants, those with a language barrier, or otherwise vulnerable, informed of what is appropriate? Is it left to someone—anyone–to overhear and report only if they think it might be questionable? It feels far too ambiguous, and arbitrary and capricious—and too late.
Is the only proof of LAUSD’s sense of responsibility an expression of outrage after the fact—due process be damned? Board president Steve Zimmer was rightly called out by many on this blog and elsewhere when he stated that the board had voted to dismiss every teacher that had been accused of harming a student. It really did seem like he let us in on a big secret.
I know a former LAUSD high school teacher whose classroom was raided and every book and picture in it was scrutinized. A picture of Michelangelo’s Statue of David was referred to by the principal as simply a picture of a penis. You’d think that someone would step in and say, “Wait a minute! That’s a work of art students should learn about.” The teacher thought someone would, too. But even the school board took at face value the principal’s description. How can works of artistic and academic worth be trivialized by a public institution whose primary responsibility it is to educate and broaden minds? It’s hard not to think they’re only paying lip service to critical thinking and, frankly, to education at all. It seems they have other agendas that have nothing to do with learning.
When terrible things happen, or when ambiguity reigns, it’s good to find the adult in the room. I’m still looking.
Karen Wolfe: I agree.
If I understand your comments correctly, one of the elephants in the room is the role of LAUSD management in acting responsibly regarding the hiring, supervision and disciplining of its employees.
Here’s a practical, predictable and inevitable consequence of a rheephorm top-down approach to hysterically over-reacting to any and all allegations of misconduct: you empower admins to protect the guilty [because the accused are their BFFs] and punish the innocent [because they are conscientious and decent].
I speak from experience, as outlined in an earlier comment on a related posting. A small addition: when several SpecEd TAs and myself discussed the peculiar behavior of the teacher that was eventually caught out by one of us [and later convicted and sent to prison for three years] we were dismayed to find out that the abusive & snarling admin who fiercely protected and promoted said person was the district’s REQUIRED CONTACT POINT for any discussion of said nature, however tentative and uncertain.
For those unfamiliar with the bizarre self-serving nature of self-protective top management worst practices, this meant short circuiting any hope of bringing up our [at the time] unfounded but strong suspicions that something wrong was afoot. In fact, based on extensive experience/interactions with said admin, not only would we have faced contemptuous dismissal of any concerns, but she would have taken absurd but retaliatory actions against us that could lead, ultimately, to being fired from our jobs.
IMHO, it’s a rheephormista wet dream. For staff and students, a nightmare.
Again, I await a full airing of all the facts. Let the blame and responsibility and exoneration and punishment fall where it may. I have no dogs in this hunt—except that it be conducted fairly and openly.
That’s how I see it…
Thank you for your comments.
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I don’t think it is ever appropriate to tell a student, former or current, that they are “hot”. Or do or say other things that he is accused of.
That said, why is he being held up as an example, while Michelle Rhee’s husband, who has done far worse, is let off the hook?
Where is the outrage from the Times on that?
It depends what side of rheeform the pedophile is on, apparently.
“That said, why is he being held up as an example, while Michelle Rhee’s husband, who has done far worse, is let off the hook?”
$230,600
“I don’t think it is ever appropriate to tell a student, former or current, that they are “hot”.”
It really depends on the culture, place and how it was said, doesn’t it?
Mate Weirdi,
I really, really hope you are being facetious, because it doesn’t matter at all: that kind of communication with a student is flagrantly inappropriate, even if they were not adolescents who have yet to reach majority.
Evidence can and sometimes is fabricated. The accuser has little power other than due process. Nobody investigating charges tries to determine if the accusations are NOT true or accusers are lying. Instead, the focus is always a bias towards showing guilt.
Due process is a very American belief at the core of the Founders grievances towards an oppressive government. It is also a principle of union bargaining and rights. Why conservatives and neo-liberals want to eliminate this right for American workers is perverse.
Let due process work. ALL Americans should have have due process rights for their livelihood.
But I’m afraid due process has worked as far as it’s going to. Esquith was terminated. He chose not to appeal. LAUSD’s verdict is now final.
Yes there’s still the class action lawsuit but that will take years to get to open court it it ever does. And if it does it’s doubtful at this point that Esquith will be lead plaintiff or even a plaintiff.
Yes. Sad, really. The accused often is vastly overpowered by the establishment on the accusers side. Whether true or not, we’ll never know.
Wait until the truths come out. Wait until the inauthenticity, or authenticity, of the emails comes out. Wait until the evidence, or lack thereof, comes out.
Right now, all you have is Broad’s toady newspaper printing some salacious words bent on destroying R.E. in the public eye. Good job at that too.
Wait. Just wait.
Donna…you know that I am firmly in agreement with your perspective on LAUSD since I too know the history, but second hand, and that you and Paula, as wounded LAUSD teachers yourselves, have first hand insights into this district beyond those here who are quick to condemn a lifetime teacher who never in 35 years in this district had a single student or parent complaint filed against him. But now some writers here label and defame him by naming him a perv and a pedophile who belongs in jail…..all this accusatory language without a SHRED of PROVEN evidence.
Given the opportunity these are the folks who, with hoods hiding their faces as they hide behind pseudonyms, would probably stone Rafe,, and us, to death for wanting to have legally vetted evidence before destroying the life of a fellow human. They emulate the KKK and Isis and the Taliban in hiding their identities while inciting riot and murder.
It shows how degraded and immoral our society has become with anonymous comments online, with Jerry Springer and Maury Povitch, shows, and the assumed American royalty of battling Housewives of various cities, and the morally challenged reality shows that some here are willing to behead anyone a proven-biased media portrays as MAYBE an indictable person. And it shows how these writers project their own sexual fantasy world onto others and paint all teachers with the same moldy brush.
The worst thing I see here is a group of very scary close minded people who probably all are registered voters and can be called for jury duty.
I said this morning I was through with all this speculation by both paid and unpaid shills and trolls like changemaker, and the new NYS parent who rebutts with ignorance the intelligent comments by NYC parent, however, I hear the pain in the words of local teachers like Donna and Paula, and I know them from other venues, and it infuriates me that this distorted conversation is even taking place.
It has become secondary to me whether Esquith wrote the emails, or whether they were written up and distorted by LAUSD legal department. What has become the worst outrage here over the past week, and has me so upset, is the pathetically ignorant and/or vastly disturbed small minds of some who comment in such an accusatory fashion, but hide behind a phony name…these are the folks who are the most dangerous people in America…not public school teachers.
Diane, I am really surprised that you allow writers on your nationally renowned blog to call each other names and to make assumptions about others personally when discussing issues in which children are involved, our most precious resource. To paraphrase Kurt Vonnegut, “For Godsake, just be kind.”
Ellen Lubric, you have me confused with a different Donna. I have had this pink square since the moment I posted here about 2 years ago (3 perhaps?) and I am not a teacher, and not from California.
I have no school age children. I’m a concerned citizen, and the reformers scare the bejesus out of me.
Meanwhile, I’m not quick to hang Rafe Esquith out to dry because LAUSD is so historically dirty. The leak of a few handily cropped emails, and allegations from 30/40 years ago purportedly done by a vetted teacher (forget acclaimed, awarded, esteemed, decorated) don’t sway me to go all in for LAUSD. Cortines is a pig. How he is allowed to work with children escapes me. Broad, Deasy….all of them, corrupt.
So, I will wait and see. There is no point arguing one way or the other to me. I don’t know the facts. I know emails can be manipulated. Pictures can be photoshopped. Newspapers print salacious “sexy” stuff to prosecute people in the court of public opinion. I get it.
I have open eyes and ears, and I’ll trust them, when I see/hear the evidence. What LAUSD has put in its list of egregious actions, and laid out for the world to see via its champion, that rag of a newspaper with its owner’s agenda, hasn’t swayed me yet.
I’ll wait it out.
Sorry Donna…I did confuse you with another Donna who had been sent to teacher jail, but I thank you for your comments in search of real justice.
This is beyond disheartening:
“Then Rafe may perhaps be guilty of some poor judgment, acting too silly with kids, and just, well, over stepping his boundaries a bit, but nothing severe enough to be terminated for.”
I am at a loss at how so many people seem to not see the content of these alleged e-mails as severely over the line and an abuse of power relations. This is not a matter of context; rather, it is a matter of character.
I am not concerned about the veracity of the e-mails; I agree with those who want to wait until facts are resolved to make a judgment upon them.
I am incredibly concerned that Ravitch, an important voice in education policy that I deeply respect, does not condemn the idea–advocated in the original post–that it is pardonable for a teacher to utilize his/her power to suggest or advance relations with a student.
If these e-mails are verified, they are not “acting too silly” or an instance of “poor judgment.” They are flagrantly an abuse of power, and deserve condemnation. Period.
Marcus…the crux is if these emails are real and are not contrived by the defendant LAUSD and the Broad-directed LA Times. If and when there is LEGAL vetting of these snippets in their entirety,.but now only alleged emails, then if Rafe is proven to have written them, that is the moment to take him down. I would join you in the front of that line.
Right now, however, this statement of termination reads more like a Bar exam question on the differences between civil and criminal law.
Those here who keep quoting the emails as a ‘fait a accompli” vetted evidence of his behavior with total certainty that they are 100% real, do not understand 1) how the legal system works, and, 2) how LAUSD operates,
Ellen – why do you think Esquith chose not to appeal his termination? If the emails are not authentic, an appeal would have been the time to challenge that. The class action – if it ever makes it to court and if Esquith is still a plaintiff – is years in the future and it will be hard for Esquith to make his case. He will have the burden of proof – it will be on him to have to prove that the emails are not authentic.
Dienne…Esquith did not reply to the well known LAUSD kangeroo court on the advice of his attorney months ago. Geragos explained it to the public both in print and tv media interviews. I, and others here, have repeatedly said this…but the witch hunt brigade seems intent on not looking this up.
Would the goodness always prevail devious actions?
God will always prevail over evil because God has been through all good deeds and bad deeds. Therefore God knows exactly whatever evils try to complete, whereas evil cannot fathom goodness in God.
Whenever people do their best to sharpen their body, mind and spirit to the level of exemplary, they will feel sorry for those ignorant people’s karma.
Here is a story which my mother told us when we were young. Once, there was a beautiful high class lady. She left her family and she disguised as a boy in order to be allowed to be a monk in a temple in a small village. After 20 years hard works as a monk, her look and her intelligent have attracted many followers in the village. Here is the punch line. She was accused to impregnate a daughter of a rich family in a village.
Yes, she was beaten to dead. SHE DID NOT say anything because she knew that a rich girl will be severely punished by her righteous father’s fame and power. The temple members were shocked to learn the dead monk’s past background.
Like Dienne, I vehemently refused to be quiet if I was that monk. My mother explained that it is the BIG difference between being a normal human and a saint. Hopefully, the punch line will arrive to LAUSD administrators and all culprits who intentionally fabricate all bad records to harm thousand QUIET teachers. The teachers’quietness and Rafe’s silence are being represented by Teacher Rafe Esquith’s class action suit. LAUSD administrators must go to jail for destroying and defaming teaching profession. Most of all, they abuse democracy to support all MISREPRESENTED parents-students ORGANIZATIONS to defame all veteran teachers on behalf of the corporate’s money sponsoring. Back2basic
Diane….
this will be my last post here…. no loss some will say…. cos i’m only the whacko troll “shaman” (thanks ellen, for dishonouring my spiritual tradition —- shall i dishonour your jewishness now?)….
it has taken a long, long time, but i have finally heard/read all i can stomach of teachers lacking in integrity, courage, fortitude, commitment to children’s well being…
these four posts on Esquith and the DISGUSTING, completely disgusting/un-nerving failure by teachers to see how he has abused his students are the last straw….
cowardly teachers who wont push back on ed deform now reveal themselves as enablers of what is nothing more than sexual abuse of children by one in their ranks…
and the perspectives unveiled in this post (especially the inability to recognise power issues and the line that crosses into pedophilia – children not having the power/right to say no to ‘tickling’ by their fathers and uncles – if they say ‘no’ they somehow are neurotic???)…. it’s mindblowing to me that there are people with views like this who are ‘teachers’…. whoever this woman is, she needs to get out of teaching AND be forced to undergo education on all aspects of sexual abuse/incest, including the fact that most incest is inflicted on children by FATHERS and UNCLES…
Diane…. i dont know how ‘hands on’ you are on this blog any more, but i cant believe you made the choice to post this ‘teacher’s’ views as part of an initiative to defend Rafe Esquith, attempt to whitewash his emails…. this woman’s written words do so much damage to the credibility of the teaching profession… most of the people i know, who are social justice advocates, would find every single racist, sexist, classist, misoygnistic (yes, women can be misogynistic) word presented here abhorrent …
seriously, as a PR consultant, i would advise you to take back the reins… people like ellen (i have an adult daughter named ellen) are hurting your credibility and (unwittingly) sabotaging any effort you might still be making to bolster the reputation of educators…..
i am done…. done with fighting back against ed deform…. i cannot support teachers and work with/for them if THIS is where things are at with them… goddess help our children, because too many teachers are not….
Sahila…I don’t know you or your history commenting on Diane’s blog, but I will say this: Be careful of painting all public school teachers with the same brush. This tactic is why crooked ed reform (or “deform,” as you find so clever a descriptor) got legs in the first place–enough powerful people refuse to see their own ignorance.
I am a public school teacher and I WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree not only with the author’s ridiculous defense of the alleged behavior of Esquith as outlined in the emails (the veracity of such yet to be proven), but the author’s blatant cultural bias against his former students. I find all of it disgusting, unprofessional, and not a representative of that which I, as a public school teacher, believe to be appropriate conduct.
However, to take these comments as a “reason” to not support public educators reflects more on a deficit of logic than a position based in actual thoughtful reflection and research. To hold all public school teachers in such contempt based on the this example as representative of ALL public school teachers is a cop-out–an action that conveniently and flimsily supports a notion that all public school teachers care about is power and control. That notion is insulting to me and the countless majority of professional public school educators, not to mention it is unfounded as representational in the profession.
If you want to be taken seriously, it is wise to debate with some concept of reality instead of announcing that you will simply leave and “take all your marbles home with you” because you don’t like the musings of someone who claims to be in the teaching profession.
There are plenty of teachers condemning this alleged inappropriate behavior. I, for one, am sick of hearing the “protecting bad pedophiles teachers” as an argument against supporting public educators/education. It’s ridiculous, unfounded, and clearly a manipulation tactic for the weak-minded to push forth an anti-public education agenda. (Hello, Campbell Brown.)
As a scholar, Diane is presenting this blog post to encourage intelligent discussion. Anyone who follows her blog knows that she is a tireless champion of social justice, and she never purports to agree with everything she posts. She deserves far more respect than what you offer here, but then again, reading your comments seems to tell everything there is to know about your true motivations anyway.
Farewell, Sahila. We have open discussion and debate here. Sometimes I post things I don’t agree with. Nothing is posted without my decision to do so. Readers don’t have to agree with everything they read. We think, discuss, disagree, debate. We reason. As you perhaps read, I stated my own view on the Rafe affair. I don’t know what happened. I don’t know all the facts. When we know more, in public, I will post it. If you are looking for a blog where you agree with every word, look elsewhere.
Others have mentioned this, but I just want to emphasize that this teacher’s defense of Esquith sets the cause of public education back many steps. If I’m an urban minority parent* reading this rant full of racist stereotypes and tropes about what “urban” kids are like, and that, because urban kids are like that, the emails are no big deal, maybe a little over the top but not deserving of termination, makes me think maybe I’d better start to reconsider my support for public education and maybe I would start looking for a charter or private school for my kid where she won’t have to face that kind of racism and where predatory emails won’t be dismissed as being “silly”. Again, the only defense for those emails is if he didn’t actually write them, and if he didn’t, an appeals process would have been the time to make that argument. One of the main drivers of anti-public education sentiment is this idea that teachers and their unions protect “bad teachers”. I think such charges are ridiculously overblown, but the worst thing we can do is give them credence by protecting a teacher who has, by the available evidence, sent predatory emails to young teenage former students. If I’m an urban minority parent, I need to hear public educators roundly condemning any fellow educator who would engage in such behavior. I don’t want to hear any more saggy pants rants about what “those kids” are like. I don’t want explanations that involve “context” or the motivations of the girls involved. I don’t want to hear these emails minimized as “silly”. I don’t care about how much “good” he has otherwise done. Yes, there’s a chance Esquith didn’t write the emails. But if he did, I need to hear public educators roundly condemn him for it without excuse.
* I’m not a minority parent, but I am a parent of minority kids, soon to be including my 13 year old black stepdaughter who will be coming to live with us.
What some here are not taking into account is that you/they are not an exemplar of all parents of kids of color, no longer a minority in California, nor in LA where about 82% who attend public schools live in poverty, many with only a single parent in their home..
You do have a deep interest in children and having them prosper. You are an educated person, a voter, a worker.
Not all kids have this kind of opportunity for good parenting.
In my career, I have seen and spoken with (professionally interviewed) many parents, mainly mothers,defined as one who is able to give birth to, but not necessarily nurture, a child.
We know that for a child to succeed it is necessary to have at least a modicum of parental involvement, but many students are born to 13 and 14 year old child/mothers, to the cycle of poverty, and to callous disregard by their parents. Too often there is no father to care for these offspring, these ‘throw away’ kids who fill our public schools.
So when a dedicated teacher is the only consistent person in their life, it is a blessing. If you have not been in a classroom of 50 of these kids who have not been nurtured, fed, clothed, bathed, loved, but only have had the streets, street culture, street language, street associations, with drugs, some being pimped for sex by their drug addled mothers, you cannot understand the stance of those in the field of child care and education. In LAUSD, there are over 13,000 of these unfortunate children living in Skid Row areas. This is the real America many professional educators deal with each day. And they do all this for the lowest paying profession of university trained professionals. Most do this job from a yearning for fairness, and a desire to improve society.
At Santa Monica High School last winter, a tall powerful teen boy was selling drugs out of his back pack to classmates. When the teacher tried to stop this, the boy tried to knife the teacher, They wrestled on the floor until the male teacher subdued the boy until the police arrived. This is far from common place in urban inner city schools.
When teachers here support a fair assessment of only facts surrounding some emails, rather than a rush to judgment based on much political input from outside sources whose goal is to do away with all public education, it seems without logical veracity to have folks, particularly non-educators who have never walked in their shoes,.defaming them.
It is obvious that if there is proven evidence, not speculation, that Esqiuth abused his students in any way, then I am sure all would join in excoriating him. But most of us say only do not rush to judgment based on some potentially biased media reports.
Now as to the rambling accusatory comments directed at me personally, this is the first time in all the years I have been writing here,that someone who shows deep religious bias has been so direct is expressing it. This bigoted writer does not have a clue what religion I am, or am not. These kinds of slurs show a neither stability nor character. And to slur a whole class of people, educators, based on only ones own opinion, shows ignorance.
“Not all kids have this kind of opportunity for good parenting.”
Of course they don’t, and it is a tragedy that our country daily fails to live up to its promise of equal opportunity.
Yet that is why Dienne and I are pushing back against the notion that for some reason lower our standards for educators of those with lesser opportunities. Of course these students need teachers and schools to be more than just teachers and schools, and to foster connections and trust to help empower them to succeed despite the obstacles around them. And yes, I can say firsthand that it is harder to do that these days with fears of lawsuits just like this one. I agree with you, Ellen, with that point.
What I don’t agree with is that we should look predatory or abusive actions by teachers, which I believe the alleged e-mails–if proved factual–are evidence of. If these e-mails are verified, I expect everyone to condemn Esquith for these actions. My frustration with this post and others is that I am worried that many would not.
Finally, I am sorry for the comments that attacked you earlier. No one deserves that, and we should strive to reach a higher level of debate on here.
“Victims of what?” That’s my point. You can’t imagine how these children might be victims.
Of course I can imagine them being victims. Just like I understand that there are 5 year olds at Success Academy who are victims of reprehensible practices — we have very strong evidence of that.
The problem is that you condone the victimization of 5 year old children and never feel a bit outraged about it — in fact, you are supportive of the folks who BLAME the 5 year olds for their victimization.
I am not condoning anything. I am pointing out that you only see “victims” where you want to see them, and blame “victims” when their victimizers are the people you admire. What’s worse, you are fine when the victims are 5 years old and unable to escape their victimizers unless they leave their school.
What’s sad is you can’t imagine how those 5 year olds could be victims — because you blame them for their own victimization.
^^And asking you to be specific about how people are victims is what real discussion is about. Just calling them “victims” because you are unwilling to actually say what they are victims of speaks volumes.
I agree they are victims of inappropriate sexual innuendos by a former teacher. Were they victims of that a few times, or was it concerted effort by their victimizer to continue his abuse in order to get them out of their school?
I’m going to bow out. This was a thread about the Rafe Esquith situation. If you want to use it as a springboard for more rants about Success Academy, I can’t stop you.
“This was a thread about the Rafe Esquith situation.”
I know. When I pointed out that LAUSD’s report about Rafe was incomplete and misleading and seemed to intentionally avoid talking to the obvious victims to get more information about what had been done to them, you were outraged and accused me of blaming the victims (which, in fact, I did not do).
I just wish you felt just an ounce of that outrage when 5 year olds are victimized by their schools and the people abusing them are claiming that the 5 year old victims asked for it. Apparently when people you approve of blame the victims — “they are violent 5 year olds” — you don’t have a word of criticism. I guess your concern for victims stops when their victimizer is someone you admire. Ironic, isn’t it? Letting the good things that someone has accomplished be used to prevent any hard look at all the abuse they have meted out to other students who are their victims. Sound familiar?
I was trying to express my reaction to language you used. I apologize for upsetting you.
And I was trying to express my reaction to your selective use of the word “victim” and your selective outrage when you believe other people blame them for their own victimization. I apologize for upsetting you.
addemdum…poor editing by me…
Last sentence of 4th paragraph from the bottom should read.;;’this is common place in ….schools.’
To parents and educators who lose faith in an exemplary teacher:
All ALLEGED emails are intentionally taken out from different mails that described some plots in the play and put together as in one email, I believe so.
If people, who are first generational immigrants, are fed up with democracy, should go back to a country where they enjoy to live.
In the same vein, parents, who are fed up with public education system, should go to private schools. Children will be always thriving with love, care, and dedication from TRUE educators. Yes, all JAILED, VETERAN TEACHERS ARE TRUE EDUCATORS.
This forum is to express PUBLIC CONCERN of corporate who tries, at any cost:
1) to undermine public education, by enforcing all INVALID testing schemes
2) to privatize all existing public schools,
3) to destroy teaching profession,
4) to control public democracy and creativity, and
5) most of all, to instill fear in all level of blue and white collar workers.
Please do NOT be GULLIBLE and DELUSIONAL in all INHUMAN tactics. Please believe in your solid HUMAN CONSCIENCE in order to self-assure about DRIVEN characteristics, attitudes, and behaviors in each profession, specialty, and passion. Back2basic.
Regarding the instruction to parents fed up with public education go to private schools where they will be thriving with love, care, dedication from TRUE educators. Huh?
Take a look at the Columbus Ohio news today. A teacher from a parochial school was fired for inappropriate electronic transmissions to student. He then took a job in a private school by the name of Lakeside, in Seattle WA and now is being held accountable for video pornography with youth. Is this factual info? I don’t know. I have not tracked the story in a Seattle media source, just happened to see it posted by Columbus station. It’s being broadcast in the Columbus area today.
If it’s true and he is convicted then that discounts the claim that private schools are the only locations with TRUE loving, caring dedicated educators. I am having a bit of trouble understanding much of your post, particularly the sentences in all caps. So perhaps I don’t understand what you are saying.
But if you claim that private schools are free of issues with communication judged as inappropriate you may want to reconsider suggesting folks kids will only get TRUE educators in private schools. IF that is what you meant m4potw?
To Cecila:
Pls do not misunderstand my paragraph. It should be read as
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In the same vein, parents, who are fed up with public education system, should go to private schools.
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT children will be always thriving with love, care, and dedication from TRUE educators; and THAT yes, all PUBLIC JAILED, VETERAN TEACHERS ARE TRUE EDUCATORS.
[end excerpt]
I am sorry to write too fast to be clear as I miss few ESSENTIAL words, like:
Please remember that,
and that
public.
I hope that I clarify enough for now. Thank you for pointing it out. Back2basic
Ah! I am sorry Cecelia, not Cecila.
Maybe I missed it, but has Rafe Esquith made any comments on the dismissal charges, other than what his attorneys have said. I understand he’s not fighting dismissal?
Diane, you may have some insight.
I think we’re all sort of left hanging. If the charges are concocted, in a movie John Grisham’s character wins a great lawsuit.
But this isn’t a movie, and life isn’t clear and there’s not always resolution.
In the end, evertone, Esquirh, LAUSD, teachers, kids are the losers. I don’t know who, but I feel like someone has stolen something pretty important, and I don’t see a way back. It’s almost … Shakespearean.
Yes, Peter, it is Shakespearean…alas poor Yorick, I knew him well.
And many teachers knew Rafe well, and found him to be an exemplary teacher for 35 years, and learned teaching techniques based on classroom observations and his academic writing. So, many as saying these charges are ‘out of character, so let’s wait before condemning him.’
Please also keep in mind that not a single student nor parent has ever brought charges against him to my knowledge. That is very telling. And the hysteria here when writers repeatedly say “yes, these are alleged emails, but they are disgusting and he should be punished”…such distorted and magical thinking…such lack of monitoring emotions and using critical thinking. Amazing to many of us who want only a fair and LEGAL assessment of evidence offered under oath in our court system.
Many deride the case and length of time it might take for resolution as a class action. Remember that the tobacco industry case, a far far far greater egregious corporate behavior causing, with legally PROVEN knowledge and forethought, millions of deaths, took some years.
However, with this case, these emotional and dogmatic writers are in essence saying ‘find Esquith guilty now, and put him in jail with no trial’. These are folks who do not care anything about our legal system and our luck as Americans to be able to live under the rule of law. They prefer a Taliban-like system of ‘off with this guys head no matter what.’
I am certain all educators would condemn him vociferously, as would I, if he is a PROVEN child abuser. To date, he has not been proven to be anything but a mentoring and nurturing teacher to his thousands of students for over three decades.
As I stated before re his appeals determination, Esquith is following the advice of his attorney not to speak out, but to let his attorney speak for him…this is standard operating procedure for legal cases. But you can read about the Geragos rationale on why he kept Rafe from answering LAUSD charges in this district’s appeals process. I will not try paraphrase him and suggest everyone search online for his exact statements to the media.
“However, with this case, these emotional and dogmatic writers are in essence saying ‘find Esquith guilty now, and put him in jail with no trial’.”
Who has said that? Can you find me a quote? What we’re saying is that if the emails are valid, LAUSD had grounds to terminate him. Esquith chose not to appeal his termination. No one has said anything about jail or execution or any of the other things we’re being accused of saying. Just because I don’t want Esquith around children doesn’t mean I want him criminally charged or convicted unless further evidence emerges under proper protocol to warrant that.
Dienne…I will not feed into this any more. I was answering Peter’s question, and you seem to find a need to sit there and jump in repeatedly after every comment I make, to discredit me. I don’t know why you are doing this, but I will no longer engage with you. Very sad.
It’s also very sad that you don’t see what you’re doing.
It’s really not very cool to put words in other people’s mouths and then stomp off in a huff when you’re called on it.
What I find most interesting is the timing of the release of this info by LAUSD to Broad’s education news at the Times. The release of presumed finalists for superintendant was also revealed. So what are we discussing? Esquith, not the contestants.
Exactly…we are not discussing the extraordinarily important issues surrounding the choice of the next Supt for LAUSD, and so many of the leaked names seem to be clones of John Deasy.
Nor are we discussing the new Broad-directed 501 (c)(3) Great New Schools run by two longtime charter school leaders, which popped up suddenly to impose the Broad plan …to swipe 50% more of the public schools to charetrize them.
Could it be that the charter-colluders at LAUSD, and their partners at the LA Times, thought that this was a fertile moment to toss some lurid charges against a public school teacher and deflect the attention of the parents and activists of LA who are trying to save public ed????
Until the Rafe Esquith case came to light, I personally never realized how much vitriol there is toward teachers. This week has been awful..