Earlier I posted an article in the Los Angeles Times that included quotes said to be from emails written by Rafe Esquith.
In response, Rafe Esquith’s law firm has released a statement blasting the LAUSD for conducting a “witch hunt.”
Mark Geragos and Ben Meiselas, attorneys for internationally renowned teacher Rafe Esquith, have issued the following response:
LAUSD, which is run by Superintendent Ramon Cortines who (1) used $350,000.00 in tax payer money to settle his own crotch-grabbing lawsuit, and (2) who defends a policy in California Courts that the age of consent for his students with teachers is 14 years old, has hit a new low by its own exceedingly low and perhaps non-existent standards.
The release of discredited and baseless allegations with no validation in law or any court, and the piecemeal out-of-context release of an email from a graduate from years ago, reflects the depths of retaliation and retribution from LAUSD on its last throes of existence due to the class action brought against it by thousands of teachers who have been victims to LAUSD teacher witch-hunts. As an initial matter, Mr. Esquith has never used an LAUSD email account. This means that LAUSD would have had to hack into Mr. Esquith’s personal AOL Account, without a warrant or notice, and harvested thousands of emails for over a decade since the account was set up. LAUSD illegally accessed attorney-client documents and marital documents, and crafted an illegal and criminal strategy to smear Mr. Esquith by purporting to selectively quote an email from a graduate from years ago from the hundreds of thousands of emails that would have been processed. No student, or parent to this day has ever made any allegation against Mr. Esquith. In fact, LAUSD’s hit squad invaded the homes and colleges of these students demanding that they say something negative about Mr. Esquith and threatening to return if they did not. The students had nothing negative to say. Several former students have hired attorneys and will be bringing lawsuits against LAUSD for the harassment and abuse inflicted on them by LAUSD investigators at the direction of Superintendent Cortines. Additionally, LAUSD is a mandatory reporter under the California Penal Code, Government Code, and Education Code, to report misconduct to the California Teacher Credentialing Commission which conducts investigations into teacher misconduct.
There is more. I invite you to read it and reach your own judgment.

I read the lawyers’ statement. Good for them! LAUSD is disgusting.
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See also this LATIMES piece, approx. 1 1/2 hours ago—
Link: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-attorneys-teacher-rafe-esquith-documents-20151209-story.html
Among other matters, where and how the emails were obtained is potentially a serious concern.
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Thanks for this link TA….Torres again proves she is as yellow a journalist as her colleagues Blume, Watanabe, and Klein and her editorial group, and their power behind the throne, Eli Broad and his hatchet guys. This dead paper, the LA Times, could well be a Murdoch rag. So very sad, Otis Chandler must be crying bitterly in the Elysian Fields. He would never have allowed all this fecal ‘reporting for cash’ on the barrel head by a group of billionaires who want to rule LA, and ‘tomorrow the world.’
Torres, who probably trained at one of the universities in outer space, spends many paragraphs repeating the same allegations ad nauseum, before she gets to the crux, the Geragos reply. And some people here read it all yesterday and swallowed it whole.
I hope Geragos does away with all of them, sues the Times for defamation of Rafe and other teachers like Iris Stevenson who they also gleefully rushed to defame, the pitiful LAUSD administration, those on the BoE who are cowards and crooks, Cortines who walks away with a fortune and does not have to pay for his harassment lawsuit for yet again we, the taxpayers are on the hook for his degrading sexual activities. I will never understand how his contract holds him harmless for grooming and trying to rape an underling employee for whom he created a 6 figure job while teachers, nurses, counselors, librarians, etc. were being fired. What other company would allow their chief administrator to get away with this kind of immoral and illegal monkey business?
And now he has taken the lead in verbally raping Esquith. His is a slippery slope, double standard of morality.
And then there is Broad, his lawyers and PR firms, the non profits he controls like United Way, Parent Revolution, California Endowment, Public Counsel, LAWAC, etc. All deserve to be tarred by a giant brush for colluding in all of the mess that Eli had made at this district…and all those petit thugs he trained at his Academy who inhabit Beaudry. There are some innocents who try to do a fair job, but the pollution runs so deep and the stink is over powering…and seemingly endless..
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Yes, in the world of double-meaning words, we all know that things are wonderful when we are in love and things become hell when we are in resentment.
LAUSD is controlled by corrupted corporate who hates and resents excellent educators, because excellent educators can preserve and sustain PUBLIC SCHOOLS so that corporate CANNOT PRIVATIZE or STEAL/ TRANSFER/FUNNEL PUBLIC TAX EDUCATION FUND into the corporate pocket.
This is very obvious to all dedicated teachers. Whoever is confused by corrupted media, do not have good conscience, and maybe they have never worked with passion and dedication to serve the poor, the unfortunate but intelligent and well manner. Back2basic
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I said it once and I’ll say it again, LAUSD is a corrupt criminal organization. From procurement to staffing to ignoring federal and state laws, it does what it wants with little or no oversight. the case of Mr Esquith as with other older, veteran outspoken whistleblowers Is manufactured. Whether we will ever see the truth of this is questionable since LAUSD has been successful in suppressing all negative information about itself. Heck, the FBI has been investigating LAUSD since Dz left and nothing. The average person knows LAUSD stole taxpayer monies with iPad, illegal witch hunts against teachers, kickbacks and protecting criminal administrators like Cortines and Holmquist. My point here is when will the investigators be investigated? This widespread destruction of teacher’s lives and livelihoods needs to stop, now.
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Ellen, you said it so well, the stink from the corruption at LAUSD is overwhelming. That the superintendent and BOE have double standards for misconduct should inform the public. I find it the utmost folly from a public board of education that while they are manufacturing misconduct on thousands of teachers, actual, real misconduct is being done everyday by LAUSD administrators and BOE. As for Eli’s Times, who even views it as a real newspaper, better to continue using it as my dog’s poop catcher.
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Actually, the FBI was investigating LAUSD way back in 2011 when the Miramonte sex scandal erupted and it became clear that DZ failed to inform parents that their children were exposed to Mark Berndts bodily fluids. Berndt was feeding the kids semen iced cookies and doing other awful things but no one bothered to report him to the CTC. DZ gave him a full pension and medical and hoped he’d become a Fugitive, but Mr. Bent stayed. And why wouldn’t he stay? He’d been accused and cleared so many times before. It is not uncommon for this to play out that way. Many guilty teachers are protected to spare the district from costly legal action while innocent teachers end up defending their credentials for transgressions that they never committed. DZ turned them in with spurious accusations and no evidence to support them . I was cleared without even writing a response to the ridiculous charges. The FBI agents were clearly committed to exposing Deasy who shamelessly blamed the sherriff department and laws for his callous disregaurd for these tiny victims. I have studied these cases closely and the pattern that emerges is very disturbing. Covering up real crimes and railroading older outspoken teachers is how LAUSD covers its collective a** and the FBI is hip to this and the iPad debacle, not to mention copious Brown Act violations, wanton endangerment of students and staff on unsafe campuses like the Royables Learnjng Center ( formerly the site of the notorious Belmont Learnjng Center and still a toxic old dairy farm full of methane gases. It’s such a long inventory of affronts one wonders how the FBI lets Bill Gates get away with MISIS scam given Dz pulled that on Prince Georges where his phoney PhD from a felon was found out. Never mind the grafting schemes that found DZ living It up on the credit cards donated by his fancy privatizer pals. Deasy also helped himself to millions from the title one money overseen by parents who were banned from campuses and bullied becase they balked at spending the funds on more tests, which is illegal anyway.
After being confronted by agents in my home because of a joke between myself and another fallen teacher, I realized just how big this is. I am not sure how LAUSD got the email which was me saying if I sawEli brood I could kill him with a look. My friend wrote something about punching him in the head…he got a visit too.
When these intelligent agents were at my door, my outrage blurred any fear I may have had. I told them if looks could kill, they’d be dead and I ranted about stolen pensions, false charges and perverts let loose in poor school despite accusations that in the very least should have sent them to the sidelines. Because they are higly trained and exposed to realities we are not likely to fathom, these agents quickly came to see me as an ally not a assassin. They were up here where I now live in No.CA and dealing with the marijuana trade which Phillip Morris is grabbing as the push to legalize is becoming a reality. As I suspected the busts of farms is all about claiming those crops and Obama facilitates it. This was not something these agents approved of, so they really didn’t question my veracity and answered my questions . They just advised me to be more prudent when they left amd said they loved the blog ( hemlockontherocks.com) . It was advice I have heeded but this doesn’t mean they’ll be forever at the neo liberals’ mercy. With that mess in Sacramento Obama made for Rhee and Mayor Johnson and other cases connected to education reform, I see FBI agents as exposing many of the things we have been victimized by if we elect someone besides Hillary, I want Bernie but would vote republican to see that happen. Hillary is not going to Betray her billionaire backers or Randi the next secretary of education, who sold us out for that appointment. If we will let them , we’ll keep being bought and sold until we figure out that just because they’re democrats doesn’t mean they’re on our side. I am hardly right winging it, mind you. I just see Bernies brand of “socialism” as our last chance to return to what matters. The people .
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I don’t know. I realize LAUSD is every bit as odious as CPS and I don’t want to side with them, but this statement is not convincing. If the emails were taken out of context, then release them in their entirety. If they were sent from – and recovered from – his school computer, it doesn’t matter that it was his personal email account. And these emails were in 2012 and 2013 – hardly ancient history. Bringing up Cortines’ own “crotch-grabbing lawsuit” may speak to his hypocrisy, but in no way makes Esquith’s behavior okay. Two wrongs and all. In fact, it comes across as a deflection technique.
Honestly, I don’t know what to think and I’m still trying to keep an open mind. But the content of those emails alone is really disturbing and it’s hard to see how they can be justified with “context”. And we see this kind of scenario all the time – popular teacher/coach/pastor/etc. gets away with this kind of thing for years and everyone – including many of the victims – rushes to cover for him.
On the other hand, I will acknowledge that it’s suspicious that there is apparently only the one formal complaint, filed 10 years ago and apparently ignored until now regarding incidents 40 years ago. When they investigated Sandusky, for instance, they found accusation after accusation that had been covered up for years – doesn’t seem to be the case here. And I’m suspicious of the teachers who are now saying that they saw stuff back in 2008 – did they report it at the time? Why speak up now? I agree that the timing is an issue. Is LAUSD inventing this now as retaliation for Esquith speaking out, or have they been sitting on it for years, blithely looking the other way so long as he made them look good and now they’re retaliating by releasing what they’ve known all along? Either way LAUSD doesn’t look good, but that doesn’t mean Esquith necessarily looks good either.
I guess for me it comes down to, as a parent of two daughters, would I want them in his class? Based on those emails – which they seem to be admitting he did, in fact, write – I’d have to say no, I would not.
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It’s understandable that you are concerned for your kids but this case and it’s decent into negative innuendos has to be tried in court and those parties familiar with the district’s dirty deeds and manipulation have to be heard. Just like they are investigating this teacher’s career, we must investigate past practices and intent of LAUSD. Two wrongs don’t make a right just as double standards regarding misconduct is inherently unfair and illegal. Mr Esquith will have his day in court but understand that his misconduct charge is one in thousands that the district has manufactured. I have a problem with that, you should too.
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I wouldn’t want my daughter in his class, either. I wouldn’t want her in the same building with him.
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I have thought a lot about these email snippets and how Rafe Esquith could still be “innocent.” The only reason I can figure for selectively publishing snippets of the emails is because what we see as language originated with his student worrying about her popularity. Rafe may have been responding using her “language.” It certainly would have been smarter to frame his response in adult language, and his response as presented shows at least a lapse in judgement, but what my high school students felt comfortable saying in front of me would curl your hair.
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2old – I agree that it’s suspicious that they’re only releasing selected snippets of the emails, and I would agree in theory that the context could ameliorate the situation. But I’m doubtful in practice because if the context did improve the situation, Rafe and his attorneys would be stumbling over themselves to publish the emails in full to prove that it’s a tempest in a teapot.
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Dienne and all…..What worries me a great deal is how some of you folks whom I admire and respect, and for whom I have great affection, have jumped to conclusions based on what a reporter for a biased newspaper (de facto if not de jure is owned/paid/policy-directed by Eli Broad) has written.
The ‘snippets’ which seem so damaging are, to date, merely WORDS, not FACTS, and they have not been shown to really exist as with publishing them in their entirety. And yes, if there was any substance, it would be a felony for all these teachers and administrators who now say they knew about nefarious activity by Rafe for many years, to NOT have acted on it long ago. Legally it makes them accomplices and felons since every educator has a legal DUTY to report untoward actions toward children.
PLEASE reach down deeply into your critical thinking, and avoid damning this teacher due to your feelings as a parent.
LAUSD has a long history of defaming teachers for mainly an excuse to cut them from the bloated budget which pays the top dogs like Deasy and Cortines, fortunes, while protecting and holding them harmless from felonious behaviors.
Paula, whom I support completely, is only one of thousands of LA teachers over the years who have had the same treatment as Esquith. They were ‘framed to fire them’ and they lose their health care and pensions after decades of service as classroom teachers. They just were invisible to the public eye since they did not have his prominence. I get emails from many on a daily basis begging for help in getting a pro bono lawyer since they have NO savings to pay for legal representation.
Please reread what I and various other LAUSD reporters have written here over the past three years wherein we name names of these brave and destroyed teachers.
It is because of this (PR device planned by the District and Eli report) rush to judgement that I would always prefer to be tried by a judge alone, and not a jury…for you, generally the best of our society, show yourselves not to be a potetnial jury of Raf’e’s peers, and if I was his attorney, I would reject many of you since your judgement has been clouded, if not polluted,by the media (which was their goal)
And yet, I appreciate my wonderful online friendships here. However, it is the danger of our system, whereby even highly intelligent people can be influenced by innuendo so that the jury pool in LA is now completely tainted (again, which was/is their goal), that frightens me far more than what Rafe is charged with.
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i am noticing that some people here are quite happy to trust and believe certain media outlets/organisations/franchises on other matters (like the palestinian-israeli or syrian-refugee-terrorism issues) but are quite unhappy to believe the media on issues relating to the (alleged) unsavoury behaviour by teachers….
i believe the dictionary would define that attitude as an example of having ‘double standards’…..
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The famous statesman Patrick Moynihan was often quoted for saying that he :”believed above all that government decisions must be grounded in empirical evidence, not in ideological preferences.”
If this is a true goal for government, which I believe it is, then it follows that it is also true goal for individuals.
He further said that “everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not to his own facts.”
Most educators instill this notion in their students. it is the basis of our judicial system.
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the point is, there are some facts (empirical evidence) already on the table…
an educator wrote emails to a student/former students…
the languaging used by that educator in those emails, REGARDLESS of the context, is highly unusual given professional boundaries and duty-of-care responsibilities that exist when educators interact with students, and is therefore problematic…
we are not in possession of an explanation regarding the circumstances and the relationship between the educator and these students…
nevertheless, the FACT remains that this type of languaging used by the educator, in correspondence with students (past or present), is plainly outside the bounds of best practice, ie is unprofessional and inappropriate …
it may or may not point to other, more serious, more problematic actions taken by the educator in his relationships with his students…
and those ma’am… are the FACTS….
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So you do not know if these alleged e-mails no one has seen or has links to or are just the creation of rumors and gossip were sent to a present or former student, who is a young adult who might be in college or in the workplace?
Do you have access to the original e-mails? If so, provide the links or take screen shots and convert them to a j.peg and share them with the world.
If these alleged e-mails were sent to a former student who graduated from high school and is age 18 or older, then it is none of OUR business what the alleged language was because it was between two adults and it is not illegal unless that young adult goes to court and gets an injunction to block the e-mails.
For instance, what if I, who am now 70 and retired, were to send an e-mail to one of my former female students who is now in her thirties approaching 40, and I wrote something about how sexy I thought she had been when she had been a student in my classroom more than twenty years earlier and how I’d like to take her out to dinner and make a pass at her in a romantic way, ould that be a crime? Should I lose my job as a teacher?
Are there laws that it is illegal for a teacher to flirt with former students who are now legally adults—former students who may not mind flirting with their former, older teacher.
I say that, because I knew, when I was teaching, teachers at the high school where I taught, who married former students who kept coming back to visit them after high school graduation until that single, older teacher realized the former female student who was older than 18 was interested in them. In one case, the teacher was in his sixties and she was 19. That marriage didn’t last, because she wanted children and he didn’t.
The other teacher I know of who is still teaching in that high school married a former student of his who was 11 years younger than him.
He was almost thirty when his former student who was 18 started to visit him after school until he asked her out, but first, he asked her parents if they approved. They were married a few months after she graduated from high school and that was decades ago. They now have adult children.
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Looks like we’re allies on this one, Lloyd. I have close friends who were teacher and pupil in the late ’60s and they have three adult children and a grandchild now. He was 10 years her senior, she was a dewy-eyed 18-year-old freshman when they met. I only met them about six years later when they already had their first child so this was a fait accompli.
Of course, the difference between an 18-year-old high school senior and an 18 year-old college freshman is. . . what, exactly? But never mind: the important thing is that this is so deeply, deeply wrong. Boundary crossing is always a sin in 17th century America (and in America, it’s always the 17th century).
Obviously, for teachers in high schools or below, there are many other considerations, both professional and legal. Flirting (real flirting) with middle school kids is unprofessional. But what about being flirted with? I was propositioned by a 15 y.o. sophomore when I was a student teacher (I was a wizened 22-year-old). Had she been 18, my response would not have been different (polite changing of the subject), but see the previous paragraph.
I had a few experiences teaching college students in my later 20s where lines threatened to become blurred. Even teaching adult education courses in my early 30s (where a few “interested” students were a little older). All things considered, I’d prefer not to mix professional relationships of any kind with romantic ones. That includes colleagues. But life doesn’t always go completely according to our plans or preferences.
What does any of this have to do with Rafe Esquith? Nothing. Except to the extent that things are rarely as simple as our Puritan forebears (well, not mine: my ancestors are Romanian and Hungarian Jews) would have it. If Esquith has truly transgressed, then let the legal evidence be presented in court and a judge and jury decide. But this prurience + vigilantism is, to put it mildly, disturbing in a host of ways. People in NO position to have access to a single legal fact (and I do mean to emphasize both “legal” and “fact”) are already stringing this guy up on the strength of nothing at all. They seem to have access to absolute proof of malfeasance when all they know is what LAUSD has put out there for the salacious consumption of our would-be hanging judges and lynch mobs.
And Esquith hasn’t been arrested, charged, indicted, or anything of the kind.
The District need never see this brought to court: they’ve effectively destroyed him. And why isn’t he fighting it? That HAS to prove he’s guilty, right? Anyone who thinks that doesn’t know what s/he’s talking about and clearly doesn’t know anyone who has had to fight such charges.
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Yes, we appear to be on the same side for this issue, and I loved this quote of yours:
“Boundary crossing is always a sin in 17th century America (and in America, it’s always the 17th century).”
I think it is safe to say that most Americans who hold on to this 17th Century puritanical thinking are registered Republicans, but not all members of the GOP are still stuck in the 17th century. Some are moderates. Then there’s Trump. Where does he fit?
It seems that on my mother’s side, I’m partially guilty of being someone related to Puritans. My mother told me that her ancestors arrived with the Puritans as bonded servants, but maybe I was saved by my maternal grandmother who was either full or partially an American native. My mother was born in Deadwood and her mother was Lakota Sioux or part Sioux—probably partial. At least that’s what my mother told me at some point in my life.
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Sahila,
You’ve seen the emails? If not, what are you talking about?
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Michael; i spent time late yesterday evening tracking back through the posts on this blog to a report in which the snippets of the emails were included, as well as details of the investigations previously held into this man’s relationships with his students and some of the ‘conversations’ and ‘actions’ that were reported by those students and bystanders…
my comments are based on what is now in the public arena — snippets of those emails plus details from the previous investigations… as i said — REGARDLESS of context, the content that has been released is disturbing and points to some highly irregular/questionable/inappropriate behaviour…
you might like to read the newspaper report here for yourself: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-rafe-esquith-20151207-story.html
i’m not american and i’m not stuck in a 17th Century Puritanical mindset; as a parent, i DO have strong opinions on the issue of teachers keeping their very firmly defined and maintained (emotional/flirting/sexual/romantic) distance from their students…. i believe that to be a matter of professional and personal integrity and have no sympathy/empathy for any adult who claims they were ‘tempted’ by the advances/feelings of a teenager…
a final point…. i am a trained, credentialled broadcast journalist, having worked for radio new zealand, radio new zealand international and television new zealand (a long time ago)… Sound journalistic practice would require that a news organisation not publish this material unless it was 100% confident of the source; in this case, the material comes via a Freedom Of Information Request submitted to LAUSD; there are severe legal penalties for a public body (LAUSD) failing to provide true and accurate records under an FOI request…
Lloyd…. i would be horrified at the thought that you ogled and had sexual thoughts about a youngster in your class, and that you would then tell her that, 30/40yrs later, in the hope that she might accept an invitation to dinner and that you might fulfil your fantasy of a sexual/romantic relationship….
i dont know if you can appreciate this, but a woman is likely to be totally creeped out that her OLD male teacher viewed her through a sexual lens all that time he was supposed to be teaching her math or ELA or whatever… utter pervy creepsville….
the thought of this even being in a man’s mind as he’s supposed to be teaching young/teen girls and boys, gives me the heebie-jeebies – ugh! seriously – if this is happening to a teacher, the teacher needs to get himself reassigned…. anyone with integrity would take himself and his carnal thoughts about a student out of the picture —- cos there is no way to keep it to oneself – that energy bleeds out and people/teens can read/feel it… they dont need to carry the additional burden/complication and it’s not their job to keep themselves safe from adult lust….
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Jesus, there is just no middle ground, no nuance, no taking of a couple of deep breaths when anything having to do with sex or allegations of sex or thoughts of sex appear these days. It’s all black or white. I don’t know your exact background, Sahila, but I am a parent, I’ve been a step-father of daughters, step-grandfather of grand-daughters, and I take actual molestation deadly seriously. Two of my step-daughters were sexually molested by a relative. One of my step-granddaughters was molested by a trusted, long-term family friend. I don’t take the issue lightly. Justice was not served in the case of the step-daughters, and they’ve lived with that for a very long time already. So please don’t anyone here make the mistake of thinking that because I’m a man that I disbelieve accusers or think this is not serious. But then, in these cases there actually was ABUSE. And accusations thereof. Not here.
I also have a friend who was wrongly accused of sexual misconduct towards the end of his teaching career. One false accusation which was refuted in court by the only neutral eyewitness. All charges dropped, officially exonerated, but career ended. So I also take very seriously any sort of false accusations of abuse.
It is trivially easy to destroy a teacher via innuendo. It can come from within the school or district. It can come from any angry ex-spouse or partner. But it is something no one recovers from professionally. We live in increasingly litigious times in the United States. Kids make NO bones about the fact that they know they can destroy teachers with false accusations of misconduct of many kinds. I’ve never been threatened with that, but I’ve heard kids talk about it and I know teachers who have been so threatened.
So let’s try not to line up to lynch anyone on hearsay. Until I read that evidence has been entered into a trial and accepted by a judge as valid after proper opportunity for challenge by a defense attorney, this is all bullcrap. And if you or someone dear to you was facing this sort of thing, you might see things a bit differently. Or perhaps not. Perhaps people here who want to see Esquith punished based on what’s currently available would gladly see their best friend or a close relative sent to jail based on just what’s available thus far in this situation. If so, I am deeply grateful that you aren’t in my family or in my close circle of friends.
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Having seen a teacher falsely accused of manhandling a student, I know how easy it is for kids to ruin a teacher’s career. I have also seen two other teachers accused of sexual abuse, one exonerated and the other forced to resign. The “evidence” was so specious that no further action was taken, but the teacher still had to leave a really good position and it took years to rebuild his career. I will wait and let the courts decide this case.
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Let me now address the other major part of what you wrote: what world do you live in in which thoughts are criminal? You didn’t live here in the 1970s, I presume, so perhaps you don’t recall Jimmy Carter stating in a PLAYBOY interview during the ’76 campaign for POTUS that he had “lusted after women in his heart.” He didn’t go to jail, he didn’t get divorced, and no one seemed terribly concerned, or at least not enough folks that he wasn’t elected. His loss in ’80 didn’t appear to be due to a switch in American thinking about his thoughts towards unnamed women at an unspecified time in the past.
You’ve never had a lustful thought about anyone not strictly sanctioned by the mores of your society? Just exactly what standards are stringent enough? Or loose enough? I’m pretty sure that in the privacy of our own minds, we get to have any thought we choose and are under no obligation – legal, ethical, or any other sort – to punish ourselves for so doing. Students to things that make me think thoughts that, were I to act upon them, would be criminal. So do adults. All the time. Like nearly every time I drive. But I don’t act on them. Because I’m not insane, not out of control, not suffering from difficulties keeping a very clear line between thought and action. When I have to turn myself in for wanting to smack someone in the head for doing something dangerous and stupid behind the wheel, I’ll consider giving up my license or driving a tank.
I was raised to believe that we are responsible for our deeds, not our thoughts, fantasies, or wishes. And to the best of my knowledge, English/American jurisprudence still operates on similar principles. You want to run things on a different set of standards? Good luck with that. But I don’t want to live in that country or world and I’ll fight you on it at every turn. It’s one more step towards totalitarianism.
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Michael…. suffice it to say that when people discuss matters such as ‘sexual abuse’, i am sufficiently versed in the issues to speak with some authority…
and yes, i do hold myself responsible for my thoughts, fantasies, wishes, inclinations, urges, impulses AND deeds…. all of it… that’s what being a grown up, being a fully self-actualised being means…
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Well, Sahila, I’m just not up to those standards. By the way, when exactly did you become “a fully self-actualised being”? I’m up to being a 30% self-actualized being, 25% other-actualized being, and 45% Columbian coffee bean. And it’s been a struggle.
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It matters if they hacked into his account. I don’t think they had to though. He likely left his school issued lap top wth them without clearing out he own stuff or had used the classroom computers to read email and left the passwords available. I know LAUSD is capable of hacking but it’s unlikely that they’d expose themselves as doing so in such a high profile case. Frankly, I have grave doubts abiut Esquith who admitted he Sid these things . I am not sure what cintest they could be that would make them less offensive , so I am with you here, if Esquith is guilty he just destroyed our kast hope of being cleared .
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I got the sense from the emails that Rafe was joking around with some ex-students who he had a close personal relationship with. (Remember the good old days when teachers were encouraged to become part of the community?) Some of these students had financial hardships and he gave them money from time to time and he made jokes about it. I’m wondering if LAUSD justified the hacking of his aol account because he may have corresponded with the students or used aol on his school computer. It seems fairly obvious to me that LAUSD found some slightly inappropriate behavior and moved heaven and earth to build a case against him. I think he should have been reprimanded for making inappropriate jokes in front of his students, but not fired.
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How old were they when he made these jokes? Do you know?
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Regardless of the facts of Mr. Esquith’s case, there’s no doubt, this is part of a larger witchhunt, against teachers. LAUSD’s policies are inexcusable, and I hope this one case doesn’t distract from that larger issue.
I am reminded of a certain blue dress with a stain on it, that came to light sometime in 1998. President Clinton’s behavior was inappropriate, albeit not illegal, but the only reason the dress came to light at all was because of a years-long witchhunt, that had been grabbing at any straw, and searching in every conceivable place, trying to find something that could be pinned on him. As I recall, he came out of that looking better, because people were smart enough to recognize that the GOP had acted worse than he did. I hope the same thing happens here, and LAUSD’s bad policies turn around and bite them.
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Wendy Johnson: your first paragraph reminds us of a much larger, and more important, matter.
Your second paragraph is a good reminder of why rheephormsters are so leery of fiction and contextualized informational text aka facts, logic, critical thinking, and decency. The person literally leading the charge against the inappropriate behavior of Clinton, declaring him unfit to be president because of his low moral character, was a certain Newt Gingrich. Remember him? A serial adulterer who changed his religious beliefs [!] to suit his spouse-of-the-moment.
I would not ordinarily bring up either Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich—they will have to live with the painful consequences of their behavior and words until the day they die—but it should give everyone pause.
Don’t rush to judgment until all the facts come out. There are serious issues involved, both for an individual and many many others. With all apologies to dogs and dog lovers, I am reminded of the old adage:
“If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.”
If punishment is merited, whether for Mr. Esquith and/or his accusers, let it be meted out when it’s proven to be justified.
But, I would humbly suggest to those that are for a “better education for all,” let’s not imitate the furious rush to sneer, jeer and smear of the enforcers and enablers of self-proclaimed “education reform.”
That’s how I see it…
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And Krazy…don’t forget Henry Hyde who himself was in the midst of an adulterous affair as he prosecuted and persecuted Clinton.
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Clinton came out looking better? by whose standards?
i never looked at him again without my lip curling in disgust….
the man has no morals; couldn’t keep his penis in his pants, taking advantage of his position and the naivety and stupidity of a young starry-eyed girl…
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It’s not an analogous situation: Clinton’s relationship with Monica had nothing whatsoever to do with his fitness as President; if Mr. Esquith’s emails are genuine, and cannot be justified (a valid “if”) by the the context in which they were written, then they go to the heart of what being a teacher is: trust, and concern for students first.
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Oh, I should have added parenthetically that, while Clinton’s behavior with Monica had nothing to do with his fitness as President, it obviously said a great deal about what a gross human being he is.
Still, Monica was an adult, and in these emails, assuming they’re genuine, Esquith was talking with children.
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are gross human beings fit to be president of anything?
shouldn’t moral character be considered when entrusting the welfare of the state to a single human being?
reminds me of one of the contradictions in family law, where family law judges decide that a man who has committed domestic violence against his wife (the mother of his children) can still be considered a “good father” and entrusted with the presence and welfare of vulnerable, powerless children who cannot protect themselves…
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It’s probably too soon to say this, since evidence is emerging and being sorted out, and I hope I’m wrong, but I can’t help myself: the LAUSD is no doubt odious, and there are witch hunts against teachers, especially outspoken ones, but these emails, not denied by Esquith or his lawyer, are quite damning.
It’s like the OJ Simpson case: it can simultaneously be true that the LAPD is a racist institution with a long history of targeting Black people, and that OJ committed those murders. Likewise, LAUSD is disgusting, and he might have written these emails and related to his students this way.
Just sayin’…
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Agreed.
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True. Rafe did not even appeal his termination. The lawsuit is over publicity, not emails. It’s the constant public smearings and “teacher jails” I have to question, no matter the details of one or another individual case.
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I imagine that Geragos is going to be having a talk with Esquith about replacing him as the lead plaintiff of the class action.
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I agree 100% with Michael Fiorillo and Dienne. You don’t see that every day!
I’ll even go one further: it’s also possible that Esquith was a world-class teacher who positively influenced 100% of his students.
But the emails, which he does not contest that he wrote, are damning, regardless of how they came to light. His termination was completely justified, end of story.
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I must add here, that for the first time, I DISAGREE with all of the above.
This teacher, Rafe Esquith, and all the teachers (now reportedly around 1,000) joined in this class action lawsuit deserve under our American jurisprudence system, to be examined under oath in a court of law. All the rest of this is merely CONJECTURE.
I have not seen any of you jump on the far more serious felonious behaviors of Cortines, Deasy, Byrd-Bennett, etc. Why are you now willing to use witch hunt thinking based on snippets of a newspaper article from a biased source????
Why have you chosen to drink the Kool Aid without waiting for a legal court examination of facts?
Good lawyers do not telegraph their punches in the media…but vile defendants like Broad-direct LAUSD use the media to misdirect public thinking. You surprise and disappoint me.
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Ellen, I love you, but you know I hate Cortines/Deasy and all of the deformed false ‘choice’ propagandizing reformsters. I, like you, have seen both faces of both Zimmer and Vladovic. And I live today with PTSDeasy under Broad’s omnipresent shadow. But I cannot in good conscience support the teacher unless the charges are cogently refuted.
The Tiger Team must go. But apparently, so must one teacher of former grace and stature. He used to be one in a million. I just hope the Board keeps in mind he still is. I am not Rafe Esquith.
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addendum to my comment above…I DO AGREE with LeftCoast that this case is about far reaching issues into how LAUSD has set up procedures to defame by unproven allegations against teachers, a system designed to put them in teacher jail and/or fire them….and these teachers are almost always fired just as their lifetime benefits are about to vest. This is the crux of the Class Action lawsuit.
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Ellen, isn’t the class action age discrimination suit a separate matter from the emails? While there may be some overlap, I think it’s an error to conflate them.
We can hope for the success of that suit, while not going to the barricades to defend any one individual teacher who may (emphasis on “may”) have crossed an important line, no matter how great their legacy in the classroom.
I hope Rafe Esquith is exonerated, formally and in the court of public opinion, and he deserves the presumption of innocence, but that’s a different matter from going to the wall for him and asserting his total innocence, point for point, especially with the emergence of embarrassing (at best) and uncontested emails that suggest inappropriate communication between him and children.
When I was the union rep in my building, I fought for all of my members. Sometimes, I had to represent members who were in the wrong about serious matters concerning student welfare. In those cases, I did my best to see that their contractual and legal rights were maintained, but that didn’t mean that, once the facts were established, I was obliged to insist on their innocence.
The facts of Esquith’s case are still emerging, and you are right to say we should be skeptical about anything LAUSD says, but it’s also true that he has not denied the authenticity of those emails, and is taking his time to provide the context that his lawyer says will absolve him.
We should take care to not pin our hopes or all of our political capital on one individual, no matter who it is. That would be a strategic, and possibly, moral error.
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Why does everybody assumes he owes us an explanation in what seem to be ongoing legal proceedings? I find it highly unethical that the LAUSD and the LA Times released “snippets” of the investigation. I don’t care whether it was legal or not. I find it really hard to believe that either LAUSD or the LA times had any interest in serving the public interest in what they cobbled together to be released for public debate.
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This report from the LAUSD reminds me of a scene from one of my favorite movies. Captain Renault saying “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” from Casablanca.
I am assuming that LAUSD went through 15 or 20 years of emails with a fine-tooth comb, and this is the worst that was found. The man was making entirely inappropriate comments to former students. They were juvenile and in bad taste, but it is the kind of thing that would almost never be “investigated” if they happened once or twice a year with a popular and well-respected teacher. It does not yet appear that there was any pattern of abuse — perhaps the parents or the kids are all too cowed to speak up, but in fact, the threats to the parents of these kids seem to be coming FROM the LAUSD and not from Rafe.
It does reek a bit of selective targeting. Not that I wouldn’t love to have certain teachers and school administrators’ e-mails gone through with a fine-tooth comb and have them fired. (Remember that Success Academy administrator’s e-mail to colleagues advising them “a 12:1:1 classification “does not guarantee a withdrawal” – talk about someone who needs to be fired for targeting children for abuse that directly ruined their lives.) Was LAUSD happy to look the other way for a decade while these things were going on? Was Rafe ever warned that these kinds of comments were inappropriate? (i.e. the comment about surfing for porn). In truth, the e-mails read a bit like 5th grade humor. Kids make jokes about spankings and being naked and being sexy and they don’t really have a clue as to what they are talking about. I am not excusing it — even if it is a child who graduated from your elementary school a few years in the past you have no business making those jokes with her. But if the occasional joke in very poor taste is all it was, then it is a shame that a talented and dedicated teacher wasn’t warned a long time ago that he should stop. And, given how few instances the investigators could find in the e-mail, and the fact that parents don’t seem to have complained about any sexual innuendo in the classroom or in after school programs, it does not seem to be a frequent occurrence.
I wish these investigations could be thorough without having an agenda. I suspect the LAUSD could have written the exact same report by putting the e-mails in a context that resulted in a wrist slapping if this had been someone they wanted to protect. This report seems designed to target someone they want to get rid of. Why can’t there simply be an evenhanded report by investigators whose job SHOULD be merely to ferret out the facts — ALL facts — and not whichever ones fit their agenda?
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NYC public school parent: your comments are much appreciated.
Thank you.
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“Was Rafe ever warned that these kinds of comments were inappropriate?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaqktZ8N0MQ
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Yes, NYC parent…thank you for not jumping to conclusions based on NO FACTS.
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FLERP!, I don’t understand you nor your cynicism.
It appears that LAUSD didn’t have a problem with this kind of inappropriate joking back when it first occurred nor did any parent or student. Unlike George Constanza, who made some kind of racist/sexist/inappropriate remark at least once — and usually more than once — in every episode, the evidence to date against Rafe seems to be that over the course of 20 years and presumably thousands of interactions and emails, he made a few stupid and inappropriate jokes and had e-mail exchanges with 2 former students – still teens – in which the investigators seemed to find only 1 instance each of inappropriate language and references. (One where he casually referred to a student as “Beautiful. Elegant. Dazzling. Sexy. Gorgeous” and later calls her “hottie” and the second where he makes spanking jokes with another.) Is that wrong? Absolutely. And if this was a case where the students came forward (or their parents did) because they felt harassed or embarrassed and the LAUSD had done nothing all that time, it would certainly be alarming. I just find it odd that this apparently infrequent behavior was condoned for decades by the LAUSD until they decided — and not because of any parent or student complaint — that this teacher has “got to go” and started combing through his e-mails and decades old complaints to find more “evidence”.
I just wish we could target all the sleazy school operators with those kind of investigations, don’t you? Why would oversight agencies let sickening and appalling behavior that severely damages very young children continue completely unpunished (and in fact, rewarded), until the political winds make it impossible for them not to take action? There are certainly abusive e-mails that have been published that had a terrible impact on vulnerable children — unlike the 2 e-mail exchanges that Rafe had that apparently bothered no one — and yet those kind of arguably far more damaging e-mails go unpunished. This shouldn’t be about politics — it should be about oversight.
What’s ironic is that in the case of LAUSD, it was not that finally so many abused students came forward that sparked this complete investigation — it was because they just wanted the teacher gone. Apparently, “oversight” now means you ignore as much slimy, unethical, and terribly damaging behavior as long as the school administrator or teacher is in favor — even if dozens of abused children come forward! But as soon as the oversight agency decides you “got to go”, they are “shocked, shocked” that abuse is happening at that school. It’s sad. Or to you, maybe just another thing to be amused by.
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“FLERP!, I don’t understand you nor your cynicism.”
NYCPP, I think this is a case where neither of us understand each other. I seem to find these email exchanges much more upsetting on their face than you do. They don’t strike me as casual, inappropriate joking. I don’t understand how a parent of elementary school children could read these snippets and not find them alarming.
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NYC public school parent:
Again, you have conducted yourself online in a mature, responsible and ethical way.
I just wish the folks running LAUSD had even a smidgeon of not just your GOOD sense, but your sense of FAIR PLAY.
I cannot thank you enough for participating on this thread.
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FLERP says: “I don’t understand how a parent of elementary school children could read these snippets and not find them alarming.”
The parents of these students know about these e-mails and didn’t seem to find them alarming. Apparently, despite being threatened to “encourage” them to find them alarming, they instead stood up to that pressure and did NOT. That certainly gives me pause. If the people in power are putting huge pressure on you to be alarmed by inappropriate e-mails sent to your child and you resist despite it hurting you and your family, what does that say? That you aren’t looking to make a quick buck to sue and make money because a teacher abused your child? That maybe you KNOW that a teacher didn’t abuse your child? FLERP, I find it odd that you assume OTHER parents would resist tremendous pressure to attack this teacher that had done something wrong to their own child. I am interested in hearing your theory as to why they are so happy that their child was a victim that they are hurting themselves in order to protect the person who violated their child. Why?
What’s odd about you, FLERP, is you completely condone a school criminalizing the behavior of a 5 year old not just once, but many times, DESPITE parents coming forward to complain. You are more than happy to cheer on the REAL psychological damage done to very young children — not just once or twice but over and over again — when their own parents are begging to put a stop to it. Unlike me, you don’t even want a real investigation of all the facts — you are saying that we should never investigate such abusive behavior that the parents themselves are up in arms about because hey, whatever oversight is being done has been more than enough and no punishment is necessary.
It is possible that more damaging information comes out about Rafe and I certainly support MORE investigation if you think that we don’t yet know the worst of it. Is that your theory – that after months of investigation these 4 e-mail exchanges sent over the course of 10 or 15 years are not the worst of it and there was other abuse of children?
But what’s most fascinating is the hypocrisy of you and others who don’t call for ANY investigation when we have complaints from the parents themselves that their children were psychologically abused. And not just because of one e-mail exchange out of many more appropriate ones where there is a reference to spanking, but because the school had decided that the children were too much bother to educate and wanted to make them feel misery until they left. Apparently, that kind of on-going pattern of abuse where dozens and dozens of children have experienced long-term damage isn’t a problem for you. Because there was no joke about spankings.
Wow, talk about a double standard. You are offended by behavior that the parents of the children who were the “victims” never complained about and you condone abusive behavior toward children half the age of these “victims” whose parents tried desperately to get it to stop and were told that it wouldn’t stop until their child left the school. Wow — just wow. I will never, never understand you at all.
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What LAUSD is doing to Rafe Esquith under the autocratic puppet leadership of Superintendent Ramon Cortines, who is obviously in thrall to billionaire autocrat Eli Broad and his Southern California fiefdom/machine, is another preview of what’s to come across the United States as the war to destroy community based, non-profit, transparent, democratic public education and the republic founded in 1776 when the 13 U.S. colonies proclaimed their Independence from the British Empire heats up.
The United States is in the final death throws of becoming a capitalist-centered oligarchy, and pure capitalism just like Stalinist or Maoist Communism is a terminal cancer that will destroy western civilization and throw most of the world into the 2nd Middle Ages. The planet’s billionaires will become or already are the new royalty and eventually they will turn on each other with private armies to see who is the strongest.
What’s happening in Chicago with the corruption of Rahm Emanuel’s autocratic regime, what’s happening in Florida, New York, New Orleans and other states and cities are all previews of what’s to come. States that have already been taken over through the legislatures and governors mansions are flaunting state and U.S. Constitutions, the law and ignoring court judgements that rule against them.
We are at war, and I think that at some stage in this conflict, it will have to get bloody, because it is obvious that the new-world order/royalty is not going to back down.
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LLOYD…please contact me at
joiningforces4ed@aol.com
so that we can continue this conversation about our state and our community. Have misplaced our writers group listserve email addresses.
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Esquith can release the emails himself if he thinks everyone is taking it out of context. Bet ya he wont.
Deflection is what he and his lawyers are doing.
He is a perv and deserves to be fired.
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“He is a perv. . . ” Do you know that from first hand knowledge?
Perhaps you are right, perhaps wrong but with a moniker like “Knowthefactsfirst” I would think you would have held off from that judgement unless. . . . “
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Whomever you are with your phony pseudonym..you who KNOW NOTHING think like an ignoramus…and write such inconsequential drivel.
There been ZERO sworn testimony under oath, but you label a reknown teacher as a “perv who should be fired” Print your real name here so Geragos can join you as a defamer. You are surely not a teacher so stop being a coward and come out with a real name and occupation.
Are you one of Holmquist’s thugs and shills??? Did it even occur to you that all of this email innuendo might be rigged by the defendants at LAUSD???
You do not have a clue about how the legal system works. You write like high school dropout with NO critical thinking skills.
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Duane Swacker: evidently you are not on the right emailing lists. It’s all about the sneer, jeer and smear, so when you “Sowthefilthfirst” facts just get in the way of $tudent $ucce$$.
Ellen Lubic: when you write that s/he writes like a “high school dropout with NO critical thinking skills” you are defaming a great many people that actually know the difference between right and wrong. But your point is well taken.
Thank you both for saying what needed to be said.
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i agree that if this teacher wants to prove his innocence, the fastest, easiest, cleanest, quickest way to do that would be to publish the emails in question himself…
easy, peasey —- all done in five minutes at a press conference… than watch LAUSD squirm and back pedal etc…
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Doesn’t this whole matter still have to go to court? Why would his lawyers choose to try the case in the newspaper? Esquith is unlikely to ever return to a classroom. I would like to see the man get a fair hearing in the courts.
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Wish many of you would refer back to these archives last spring when Geragos explained why his client would not talk to the press nor the BoE. This case has been filed with the courts. The plaintiff cannot and should not be speaking out, around his lawyer, and ignoring his lawyer’s advice..
It has become an extremely complex lawsuit and far from “easey peasey”. Some of you folks really should do serious homework as to how our judicial system works before posting such silliness. You are free to believe that Rafe is guilty of these innuendos…and some of us are withholding such judgment until there is a court proceeding and witnesses testify under oath. I prefer that to be the American way, and far better than buying into a report by a journalist who writes for a newspaper with a proven anti public school, and anti public teacher, bias.
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“Why would his lawyers choose to try the case in the newspaper?”
Because that’s what any lawyer worth his/her salt does. If you can make a good case for innocence, you proclaim it loudly and often with any media attention you can get your hands on. If the “context” of those emails makes them benign, Geragos would be a fool not to release them.
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No, that’s not what any good lawyer does, and certainly not before the case even gets to court.
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No matter how you vilify him, you just can’t deflect us from the insidious character of LAUSD. They deserve condemnation for years of sub-standard accountability and heavy scrutiny for deliberate cover-up and procrastination. Ditto to your sadomasochistic character of “scapegoating the accused” lurked under your phony pseudo-name.
Keep running on the Pity Road alone, Knownothinglast.
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If lawyers try their case in the press, why aren’t there loads more incriminating e-mails? Out of what, thousands of e-mails over many years, these exchanges were the most incriminating they could find?
They obviously went through this teacher’s relationship with students for two decades with a fine tooth comb. While it is absolutely wrong for a teacher to use that language with a former student who is still a teen, the evidence released seems to imply that there wasn’t any pattern — two exchanges over a decade of correspondence. Maybe more will come out, but so far this is pretty unconvincing as being a pattern of abuse. It is very convincing as a teacher who has bad judgement as to what is appropriate language to use with former students but the instances revealed by LAUSD certainly imply that it happened very infrequently. Is this really the worst they could find over a decade or two? Two exchanges? Did LAUSD not follow up with those kids — did they not follow up with all the kids with whom he e-mailed? Were there others? There are so many questions and either LAUSD didn’t look for any pattern of abuse by this teacher (which is very suspect since that is absolutely their job) or they spent huge effort and money to look and couldn’t find any. Or they have that evidence but only released the least damaging information about this teacher to the press.
But why would you release the LEAST incriminating evidence to the press? Seems unlikely.
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Dienne…beg to differ about lawyers use of the media.
It is generally the defendant’s lawyer, not the plaintiff’s, who uses the media and plants/leaks stories to taint and/or lead the jury (which as you know is not supposed to know anything about the case except what they learn in the courtroom).
I learned about this not only while studying Criminal Law in law school in the 1970s, but also as a public policy educator who has watched and studied it all closely for a long, over 45 year, active career.
As a lifetime resident of LA, the OJ case which some mention as analogous to this case, had Cochran and Shapiro, lawyers for the defense, continually making statements to the press….remember “if the gloves don’t fit you must acquit” and others similar, which gave the slanted jury a reason to let him go.
But equating a double murder and beheading of a victim certainly is a far cry from some emails and charges from over 40 years ago.
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And the statements made by OJ’s lawyers came during the public trial about things brought up in court. Such statements made before the trial would have made it impossible to seat a jury.
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@Sahila, so that it could be tried in public? I’m sure that all of this evidence will be given to the judge in the case. I’m not sure which public you experience every day, but I don’t think the public that I experience should be given first crack at determining guilt and innocence of any person.
I wonder why if school board was willing to release snippets, they couldn’t/wouldn’t release the conclusively damning entirety of the emails?
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it’s kinda funny how some people here assume that others dont understand how the US political or justice systems work and feel the need to tell us to go educate ourselves….
some of us have a wide knowledge of how many systems work in many different countries and come at situations with a – shall we say – cosmopolitan perspective…
my response mostly was driven by irritation at the “worshipping” of this teacher going on, and at the almost incoherent, frothing at the mouth frenzy one or two people were displaying in declaring his – as yet unknown – innocence and the vehement declarations of certainty that he’s being set up….
people here were telling others to put away their (emotional) parental concerns about the safety of (their) children….. hmmm…. maybe he’s innocent, maybe he’s not… until he IS proven innocent, if i had a child who had occasion to come into this man’s sphere of influence, i would be nervous for that child’s safety too…
there are many, many, many (mostly) men who have been in positions of authority over children, who abused them or behaved inappropriately towards them, who were never under suspicion until years and years later…. THAT is a FACT of life…. just because there are other factors at play in this case, doesn’t mean that these emails do not signal an issue around inappropriate behaviour…
the point is – no one knows right now, except the man himself and (maybe) his lawyers and the LAUSD if they have the emails in full;
and if he is so concerned about his reputation, he can – if he chooses – release the emails and prove himself innocent of these allegations of impropriety at least….. and yes, it would strengthen his hand to have this mess cleared up in his favour sooner rather than later (cos people talk, you know?! – and the longer the question lingers, the harder to get your reputation cleared) and to have the LAUSD put back on the back foot….
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Sahila,
I am not “defending” this man. I am pointing out that it is quite unusual for the behavior of a sexual predator to come to light when no parent of a “victim” is actually complaining. Despite apparently being encouraged to complain by very powerful people and the teacher in question already being fired and having no power whatsoever over their child anymore.
Think about how other predators’ behavior came to light. PARENTS or KIDS complained and often, the authorities completely ignored it until the press got wind of it. That still happens — where parents complain about abusive behavior and it is completely ignored because the school assures them “we’ve taken care of it” while happily continuing the practice. This is the exact opposite.
This is as if the Catholic Church – instead of investigating real complaints that parents and children have made over the years – chose instead of investigate a beloved priest who was speaking out against corruption, and after going through decades of correspondence had found two inappropriate quasi-sexual exchanges with a teenager. But neither the teen “victim” nor her parents even noticed the inappropriateness of that one exchange among many. And didn’t even think it was so bad when pointed out to them after the fact. Can you imagine that priest being drummed out while the instances of real abuse are never properly investigated?
I believe in full and through investigations — not cherry picked facts. It is very possible that more will come out and unlike some hypocrites on here, I would never call for no more investigation or say that the fact that a group of people who adamantly support Rafe were investigating this was all that was needed. That would be terrible if the only investigation was done by the most pro-Rafe supporters who were desperate to clear his name. I would find that just as reprehensible.
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hey there NYCPublicSchoolParent…
there are lots of cases where perpetrators are not identified for years and years and years — some not until after they have died… and some not because anyone has complained, but because something was found on their computer, in their homes, in their cars etc…
i would point you in the direction of the high profile Bill Cosby case… more than 50 women have now come forward accusing him of raping, drugging, coercing or sexually assaulting them, with accusations regarding his actions going back to 1965; many of these women have only started to come forward in recent months. Many were very young at the time of the alleged assaults – and kept quiet…
here’s a short TIME report, from september 2015… http://time.com/4056054/bill-cosby-sexual-assault-rape-accusers/
the accusations first surfaced against him a decade ago, in 2004-2005….
i could fill up this post with dozens more examples/links of other abusers who got away with what they were doing for decades, with no one complaining/making a fuss….
i’m NOT saying Esquith is guilty of anything other than sending inappropriate emails to students/former students… i AM saying that this awful stuff happens under the radar far more frequently and in much closer proximity to our daily lives than your writing suggests…
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I repeat, if Rafe sent e-mail to former students, how did he get those e-mail addresses.
For instance, even a decade after I retired, I get e-mails from former students I taught more than 20 years ago, who are all adults today nearing 40.
Whatever Rafe wrote in e-mails to former adult students is not the business of LAUSD or anyone else. That is between two adults.
I ask again: Have you read these alleged e-mails? Have you seen the originals? If so, PROVE it! Provide links or take screen shots so we can all see too. Otherwise, your allegations are worthless and no better than rumors and gossip.
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“i’m NOT saying Esquith is guilty of anything other than sending inappropriate emails to students/former students… i AM saying that this awful stuff happens under the radar far more frequently and in much closer proximity to our daily lives than your writing suggests…”
No, Shaila, you don’t and we don’t know that Esquith sent inappropriate emails. The district says he did, but not in court, but via the press. That isn’t evidence, it isn’t proof, it isn’t anything but wind at this point. Accepting the notion that someone is guilty absent more than hearsay is how we help the fascists win.
As for the rest, sure, abusers can be clever and insidious about covering for themselves for decades. But generally, there’s a bit more than a joke and some alleged emails in their closets: more like actual sexual contact. None of that has been suggested. Think there’s a cache of kiddie porn in Esquith’s attic? A trail of sexually abused children in his wake?
This isn’t Bill Cosby. There isn’t a lengthy record (or ANY record) of past accusers being bought off, intimidated, ignored, or the like. If such things exist, there’s been more than enough publicity for someone to turn up with a more damning accusation than has surfaced thus far.
And yet, we have people already lining up to knock out Esquith’s teeth. That doesn’t bother you?
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Sorry for the typo, Sahila.
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You are wrong about Bill Cosby.
There were complaints about his behavior for many, many years. It’s just he was too powerful that no one wanted to investigate it. Once they did, even more women stepped forward. But the original investigation was because someone finally took the complaint seriously and reported on it. And more women started coming forward right away. It wasn’t someone randomly saying “hey, I wonder if Bill Cosby has ever spoken inappropriately to a woman in the past”. Didn’t Ken Starr teach us that no one’s life stands up to scrutiny if people choose to investigate it. Including some of his own staff in their improper dealings with Linda Tripp. (Actually, I would say President Obama’s life would, but then there are right wingers who insist that back in Chicago, before he was a Senator, not every single action would stand up to intense scrutiny if it got the “Starr” treatment. ) But of course, most of those improprieties in people’s lives go unnoticed. And most people aren’t the target of an investigation that is designed to ferret out every single instance of improper behavior in their lives for the last 20 years.
The same thing happened with Horace Mann and Poly Prep — 2 NYC private schools where teachers/coach abused many, many students. There were complaints at the time that were basically covered up and ignored by the people in power.
Are you saying that there were people stepping forward and LAUSD was just ignoring their complaints?
What is odd is that there aren’t children coming out of the woodwork right now — like they did at Penn State — to add to the charges. Instead, all we have are some inappropriate (I agree) e-mails to former students (still young teens) that did not seem to bother the teens or their parents when the investigators talked to them. The one instance where the teen told him to stop harassing her was when he inexplicably seemed to be angry at her because he was certain she had stolen a hair dryer. His response seemed a bit over the top given the crime — but it seem to refer to earlier e-mails that she ignored, so it’s very possible that he feels personally humiliated if any of his students are caught stealing something by the public, as if it is a reflection of him. He took it way too personally and seemed determined to have her admit this crime, and kept e-mailing her to get her to do it. I agree that he should have handled that differently, but I don’t think that bad judgment — thinking he had to get her to “confess” and not just get away with it — is the same as saying a teacher is sexually abusing or harassing a current student.
Rafe was on far too friendly terms with former students who he seemed to forget were still under the age of 18. I think if you perused every conversation that coaches have with players, and many “teacher/advisors” have with the teens they work with in extracurricular activities, you probably see lots of instances where a line is crossed VERBALLY by upright teachers who would never, ever think to abuse a child or touch them inappropriately. I suspect if you watched a season of GLEE with an eye toward finding any inappropriate words and/or interactions between teachers/staff and the students, you could come up with all kinds of conversations that were wrong and shouldn’t have been done. But when we watch it in context, we don’t say “serial abuser” about the beloved teacher hanging out with kids.
Now I am all for more investigating and maybe this man has been sexually abusing kids for many years. I am just saying the evidence linked to in the complaint isn’t really pointing to that, EXCEPT the very odd accusation from 35 years ago where parents were sending 11 year old girls to sleepovers at the home of a 22 year old man and the 22 year old man sexually abused the girl. But with no context or explanation as to WHY any 11 year old girl would be allowed to spend overnights with an adult man in the first place. It’s weird.
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Click to access Responsive-Documents-Esquith-SOC_redacted-final.pdf
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Nauseating. Those poor children.
Flerp, there seems to be confusion over the difference between what happens in an administrative proceeding vs a judicial one–can you sum up some of the key differences?
I for one hope that justice is served, whether it is Esquith’s suit against LAUSD, Cortines’s case, Kevin Johnson, Mark Berndt, whomever. However, supporters of Esquith claimed that he was fired under false pretenses. These awful emails alone, which he does not contest writing, were more than ample grounds for dismissal (again, under the parameters of an administrative proceeding).
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Eh, there’s no point. It’s been explained before, but people will always keep making the point that they think is the important one. The bottom line is that administrative law does not protect employees as much as many people thin it does, and that’s not because it’s not functioning properly, it’s by design. Being on the wrong end of an administrative termination proceeding is never going to feel fair. And some of the reactions on this thread have nothing to do with a misunderstanding of administrative law.
The question I have is: if you were a new LAUSD employee who had just shown up on the job in April 2015, and you were shown these emails, and you were asked what LAUSD should do, what would you say?
Would you say, “Do nothing. This investigation was a fishing expedition designed to get rid of a teacher who was a thorn in LAUSD’s side. The emails are the fruit of the poisonous tree. Destroy the emails.”
Would you say, “Has the teacher been issued a formal warning that this type of interaction with students is inappropriate? No? Well, go issue him that warning now. And tell him that the emails are going in his personnel file, and that if he does this one more time, there will be consequences.”
Or: “This looks serious. But on the other hand maybe the students didn’t mind it. Go talk to them, and if they say they didn’t mind, we can probably forget about it.”
Or: “This is potentially alarming. Let’s initiate a full investigation. But don’t remove the teacher from the classroom. That would be unfair because we haven’t done the full investigation yet.”
What would we say?
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FLERP,
How about a public investigation of the charges?
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What do you mean by “a public investigation”?
And should the teacher stay in the classroom until that investigation is finished?
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Actually Flerp, I would be appalled, but Esquith, for some unknown reason, has not been criminally charged. So far, no one has publicly accused Esquith of abuse. He is in no position to harm any more students if any of the accusations are true. Let the courts do their job.
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Thanks. Now I need a bath. LAUSD is quite probably one of the sleaziest organizations on the planet (second to CPS, of course), but I don’t see how that negates what’s in this report. The emails alone are far beyond the pale – it’s very clear he’s spent a lot of money on a number of young girls with definite expectations attached. If he thought this was just “playing around” and didn’t understand how wrong it was, he shouldn’t be teaching. If he knew what he was doing was wrong and did it anyway, he shouldn’t be teaching. (And, yes, I will add the caveat, assuming the the emails are genuine and that Esquith did indeed write them; but he doesn’t seem to be disputing that.)
My guess is that LAUSD has known about his behavior for years, and has had complaints before which have been conveniently “misplaced” because he was making them look good with all his awards and recognition. But when he started rocking the boat, they cashed in his chips. Sleazy on LAUSD’s part, yes, but not in a way that exculpates Esquith in any way.
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Diane – if he were being charged with a crime, yes, absolutely, he’d be entitled to that. But he’s been removed from the classroom and terminated as a teacher. Based on those emails alone – which he has not yet disputed as valid – do you think he should remain in the classroom? Can you imagine a “context” in which those emails would be okay? Do you want him teaching your grandkids? I would say this is about as “for cause” as it gets.
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Dienne,
If LAUSD’s leadership thinks that Rafe is a threat in some way to students, then they have the legal power to remove him from his classroom with or without pay until his guilt can be determined in a court of law. Until that determination, he is innocent until proven guilty. If the district removed him without pay, and he is proven innocent in court, the district will be required to pay him all back pay and possibly reinstate him.
For instance, what if several people you don’t know think you have abused your children—if you have any children—and they file reports with the police. Should you lose your children and be automatically found guilty on the hearsay of those who alleged you abused your children without your day in court where your accusers must prove your guilt in front of a judge and possibly a jury?
Do you really want a legal system baaed on vigilante justice and automatic guilt when anyone accuses you of doing anything wrong? If you say yes, then consider how easy it would be for anyone to send you to the death chamber just because they didn’t like you or they wanted your house or job.
If you REALLY want to see what this type of world is like to live in, all you have to do is read some biographies about what it was like to live in China during Mao’s Cultural Revolution when anyone accused of any crime was automatically guilty without a trial, without evidence, without a jury—-just because sometime denounced them in public.
In fact, I’ll recommend one of these memoirs that was a New York Times Notable Book of the Year in 1992 and won the Carl Sandburg Award. This book is still in print and universities across the U.S. that have Asian studies programs use this book as a text. Before you proclaim Rafe’s guilt based on allegations from a known corrupt administration in LAUSD, I suggest you learn about the world it seems you want.
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Just pointing out the obvious: these were emails that he wrote. On a district computer. I would not want to live in the world you describe but fortunately that isn’t what happened here. It is a slam-dunk, clear-cut violation of the sexual misconduct policies, and it happened multiple times to multiple victims.
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Tim,
When it comes to a court case, nothing is slam dunk unless the alleged criminal admits that they are guilty. Have you read these alleged e-mails? Are they public? If so, provide a link. But even then, an e-mail is not a physical act. I could write an e-mail that says I planted bombs in the White House and if the White House blows up the same day does that mean I’m guilty?
Rafe will get his day in court and until the verdict, I will not judge him. But I do pass judgement on anyone who judges him before that verdict. I will judge those people as fools.
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Thank you – this is interesting. Reading this, it certainly does appear that Rafe had an inappropriate e-mail correspondence with at least a few teenage girls who had been former students of his (it seems that some years had passed since they were 5th grade students of his, as they seem to be already in high school). He made too many personal references to their appearance and love life — as if he had an unrequited crush on them. And yet it doesn’t appear — yet — that this ever moved beyond this kind of far too personal e-mail exchange with young teen girls who were no longer his students. If it did, that’s terrible, and if it didn’t, it is wrong to pretend that it did.
What I find odd about this — maybe as a lawyer you don’t — is that there is no distinction between actions that are inappropriate, and actions that seem far-fetched. It’s like the documentary “Capturing the Friedmans”. You can believe that the dad could be looking at child porn and still see that accusing him of doing things to kids in contexts that don’t seem to make any sense seems unlikely. But if you want to “get” a man, you pretend that the worst is true even if it isn’t.
There are similar things wrong in this report. The e-mails are inappropriate so why not just recount what they are and how frequently that they happened. Instead, we get an account of an incident from 1976 in which parents supposedly regularly sent their 11 year old daughter for a “sleepover” at the home of a 22 year old man and she was abused. Say what? How are parents sending their young daughter to sleep over at a 22 year old man’s house? In order to believe that scenario, there should be some kind of explanation as to why such an unlikely setting would have existed and not just accept it without question.
There are also odd incidents, like “throwing” a pack of cigarettes at a child and calling them a “low life” in front of other kids because they were smoking. I mean, maybe you throw in the kitchen sink, but that seems like grasping at straws to pad charges. And it smells a bit like a prosecutor who needs to do that because they are fearful the strongest and worst charges don’t really hold up under scrutiny.
Nonetheless, those e-mails were certainly improper. I would not choose to have my 14 year old daughter correspond with a man in his late 50s who seemed to have a crush on her. I don’t know if I would jump to the conclusion that this man was a dangerous predator of the elementary school students in his class from this correspondence. He may very well be, but given all the publicity and investigation, I am surprised “victims” or their parents haven’t come forward. Maybe that will happen now. But I don’t think the student who claimed that the cigarettes were thrown at her and who then felt “shunned” is the kind of “victim” that makes his actions into that of a predator. Do you?
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FLERP! just read your new post.
“Would you say, “Has the teacher been issued a formal warning that this type of interaction with students is inappropriate? No? Well, go issue him that warning now. And tell him that the emails are going in his personnel file, and that if he does this one more time, there will be consequences.”
I think you mean “Has the teacher been issued a formal warning that this type of interaction with FORMER students is inappropriate while they are still teenagers.” I think the e-mails were wrong. But there is an enormous difference between a teacher (or professor) sending these to current students and sending these to students he taught a few years ago. Having this kind of e-mail interactions with students you still teach doesn’t even deserve a formal warning. Period. You should be fired.
Tim says: “Those poor children.”
Your hypocrisy is beyond the pale. The e-mails cannot be excused, but I don’t see any mention in the charges of the recipients nor their parents recounting how abused and harmed they felt. (Maybe they will in the future.)
Compare that with parents coming forward whose children endured real psychological damage because a school with no oversight didn’t want to teach them and couldn’t just expel them — just had to make them feel enough misery so they would leave. You never express one ounce of sympathy for the psychological damage to any of those 5 and 6 year old victims. Your sympathy is reserved for students whose parents haven’t yet come forward to complain.
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No, Lloyd, that’s not how it works. You don’t have to be convicted in a court of a crime before your employer has valid reason to terminate your employment. I support very strong workers’ rights, but even I think that would be ridiculous. Esquith is legally innocent, yes. But he was rightfully terminated. Again, I’ll ask, would you want him teaching *your* kids/grandkids?
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Knowing what we do about LAUSD, I really am willing to wait until the courts decide this case. Esquith is not in the classroom and likely will never be again, so my grandchildren are in no danger. I still am very disturbed that NO charges have ever been brought against him for any of the many instances of obvious child abuse that he is alleged to have committed.
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Dienne, I’m well aware that a school district can fire a teacher, put them on unpaid leave or put them on paid leave when there is an ALLEGED accusation of a misconduct of this nature.
I taught for thirty years and in the district where I taught during those thirty years I know of two teachers who were put on unpaid leave due to ALLEGATIONS of sexual abuse.
In one case it was a former student who was in her early twenties and hadn’t been this teacher’s middle school student for about a decade. She claimed that under hypnotism by a therapist, it was revealed that she thought she had sex with this teacher when she was a student in his 7th grade class, but had no proof behind hypnotism. This case became front page news and people just like you decided he was guilty the minute they read the story.
In the second case, two girls, who were still in high school, accused one of their teachers of having sex with them.
In both cases the teachers were found innocent during the trial, were paid all their back pay while they were on an unpaid leave of absence and the district also had to pay for their legal expenses.
In a case of ALLEGED sexual abuse, even the teachers’ unions will not pay for a legal defense. Teachers accused of sexual abuse of students must hire their own lawyers and pay the lawyer or the lawyers must take the case pro-bono or on consignment.
If a public school district suspects sexual abuse, they must remove the teacher from the classroom until the teacher is found guilty or innocent.
“Again, I’ll ask, would you want him teaching *your* kids/grand kids?”
Here’s my answer. Since teachers accused of ALLEGED sexual abuse are removed from the classroom until a judge and/or jury can decide if that teacher is guilty, then there is no reason to not want him teaching our kids or grand kids because he isn’t in the classroom, and if that teacher returns to the classroom because he/she was found innocent by a judge and/or jury, then parents like you who have decided that teacher is guilty no matter what can request that their children not be placed in that teacher’s classroom.
But for me, if a teacher who was accused of sexual misconduct and returned to the classroom due to being found innocent in court, I would have NO problem if that teacher taught my child or grandchildren.
Every teacher who is accused of ALLEGED sexual misconduct by a student is not guilty just because some kid accused them. In the case of the high school teacher I mentioned above, the two girls accused their teacher of sexual misconduct to get even with him for not giving them the grade they wanted that they did not earn. On the witness stand, the two adolescent girls were caught in lies. They claimed they were with the teacher on dates when he wasn’t even in the state and he had witnesses and proof that on those dates (weekends and school holidays) that he was out of state on vacation traveling. In addition, the police when questioning the two girls separately discovered that their stories didn’t match.
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In the firing of Esquith, LAUSD attempts to show cause by listing endless references of events from over 40 years ago which have nothing to do with Rafe as a teacher for the district for 35 years. Much of this is hearsay and will not be permitted to be heard by the court.
During his many years as a teacher, when he had classroom observers on a daily basis, there appears to not be a single charge made by any parent on behalf of their supposedly abused child made to the district or to law enforcement. How could that be that not one parent in 35 years would be horrified enough to report him if he spanked or otherwise damaged their child?
If the district/BoE did have such reports and hid them, then they are accomplices and should be charged and prosecuted.
However, during the latter years when Esquith had formed a 501(c)(3) to raise funds for a non-school Shakespeare group supported and run by some of the greatest actors of our generation, and although it had a Board of Directors in oversight, the district was riled that this was not theirs to oversee. Also, this separate and distinct organization traveled the world presenting Shakespeare and became very famous, earning worldwide accolades. Again, the district was riled and wanted this all to be under the aegis of the LAUSD.
Rafe is even charged now with not following LAUSD policy because he would not adhere to their demand to go to teacher jail.
Yes, he marched to his own drummer and so they dug into his whole life history to come up with this yet to be proven list of charges. Perhaps he did act with inappropriate and potentially damaging abandon……. but it must be proven by the courts.
And no, this all was NOT on a school computer, but rather on his own personal computer which LAUSD appropriated.
Some seem to forget the sequence of events leading to all this. Again, I ask you to read the archives and refresh your memories of how he was set up so similarly to hundreds, thousands, of other teachers who landed in teacher jail with no proof of anything. Stories of the district’s rush to cut the budget by firing older, highest in the pay scale, teachers whose benefits are about to vest, abound.
Again it is because Rafe is prominent and for the first time, he is a teacher who could get the attention of a superior attorney, that the district is desperately manufacturing charges which must be proven in a court of law.
I suggest your follow the history of the AG, Holmquist, of LAUSD and see his questionable history. And also, that FLERP post the egregious (with the disgusting 14 listed charges) filed lawsuit where Cortines is the defendant.
Neither of these cases has yet been adjudicated. It is up to our legal system to decide guilt or innocence, not the media and uninformed public opinion. Of the two cases, the class action will be a long and complicated case which could bankrupt the district….with Cortines, who knows, but we the people will by paying the plaintiff (Cortines’s admitted (allegedly harassed and fired) lover, if the plaintiff wins, since LAUSD holds Cortines harmless for not following the district’s rules on sexual harassment and sexual contact with subordinates.
What is fair, what is honorable, what is moral?
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“And no, this all was NOT on a school computer, but rather on his own personal computer which LAUSD appropriated.”
The nauseating emails sent to 14-year-old children were recovered from Esquith’s LAUSD-issued computer, SN 825HP1GGDHJF. Esquith’s attorney’s response to the release of the emails was not that Esquith hadn’t written them, but that they had been obtained inappropriately (employees typically waive their privacy rights when using employer/government issued devices) and that they were taken out of context (an argument even that is even more appalling than the emails themselves).
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I have a question for you legal minds:
If Rafe used the school-issued computer even once to access his AOL account (or gmail account, etc.) to send an e-mail, are you saying that every e-mail he ever sent or received on that personal e-mail account at any time during the past or present becomes fair game forever and is no longer private?
Or did LAUSD somehow figure out which personal e-mails were composed using the school-owned laptop and which were composed on different computer or phone or iPad, etc. and only access the e-mails composed on the school-owned laptop?
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The issue is not criminal culpability. No charges have been filed and probably never will be. There are different standards for what constitutes criminality vs. what constitutes inappropriate work behavior (and how to prove both). The issue is whether or not Esquith was rightly terminated. I really can’t see how, given the content of those emails, which Esquith does not seem to dispute, anyone could argue that he shouldn’t have been terminated.
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Dienne…the firing will come up in court in the class action lawsuit. All these charges will have to be proven to be true and accurate.
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Ellen, Esquith will have to withdraw as lead plaintiff. The class will never be certified if he’s the lead plaintiff because he is clearly not an adequate representative of the putative class.
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And yes…this is a Civil case, as you stipulate, not Criminal….yet.
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Legally speaking, I’m not sure that’s true. As the defendant, LAUSD doesn’t have the burden of proof. It’s up to the plaintiffs to prove their case – that LAUSD fires/”jails” older teachers on false/trumped up charges – by the preponderance of the evidence. Plaintiffs will have to show that there was no basis for Rafe’s removal from the classroom/termination. Setting aside all the historical he said/she said charges and what some teachers allegedly saw years ago (and apparently didn’t report), the emails are damning enough on their own. Although if they were, in fact, recovered from his personal computer and not a district-issued computer, there is grounds to have them removed from evidence. The iPad issue is also going to be harmful to Esquith – he (according to the report) originally claimed he didn’t get one, then was shown his signature saying he did, in fact, get one. Then he tried to claim it was stolen during a break-in, yet he never reported the alleged break-in. If LAUSD can document all that, it’s another nail in the coffin.
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Agee with your assessment. Standards are different. It remains to be seen if any criminal charges of anyone are ever filed. Remember the Catholic Church and charges both civil for vast monetary awards, and criminal for jail time of some priests and bishops.
You will remember the landmark civil case of the tobacco industry class action suit…of which John Edwards was a lead attorney for the plaintiffs…and all the lies that the tobacco industry honchos told in court, and out of court to the media. With the help of a brave whistle blower, the tobacco industry giants got their comeuppance and lost. The huge fines they paid did not make enough of a dent in that industry.
However, if LAUSD, with its own history of machinations and manipulations, loses, it will probably go bankrupt. So, Eli wins either way.
Dienne…please feel free to write me at
joiningforces4ed@aol.com
should you wish to discuss in more depth…so we don’t bore and exhaust our colleagues here.
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But to clarify…my point is that defendants tend to attempt to taint both the jury selection, and the end game, with leaked and/or proferred info to the media. This info can, and often is, either blatantly false, or designed to mislead.
And yes, I agree that in this LAUSD case, Geragos and his partners will have the burden of proving LAUSD actions were motivated by intent to fire teachers to cut cost, and so invented charges against them.
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Ellen – I’ve appreciated this exchange and I hope you don’t think I’ve been unfair. I just think the writing is on the wall for Esquith.
But I still support the class-action against LAUSD. As I’ve taken pains to make clear, it’s plain that LAUSD is odious and corrupted. I’ve no doubt they do target older/more expensive/more outspoken teachers on false or greatly exaggerated claims. I wish them (the plaintiffs) well (although, as you point out, if it brings down LAUSD, Broad profits either way). I just think, as FLERP! mentioned above, it’s time to replace Esquith as the lead plaintiff.
Should you wish to contact me, my email is dienne_7@yahoo.com
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FLERP! has just shown very clearly that due process works. If a teacher is charged with doing something bad, you gather evidence and can remove him.
So what the heck are the privatizers and anti-union hacks doing by claiming that you can’t remove a bad teacher? Not only can you remove one, you can remove one who is the most popular and has the support of some of the most powerful people in the country.
Anyone who wants to remove due process protections is doing it not to get rid of bad teachers, who can obviously be removed as this proves beyond a doubt, but to get rid of GOOD teachers who speak out against unethical practices by charter schools who hate unions.
Thank you, FLERP!, for showing us that due process works to get rid of bad teachers even if they are in a union. Can you imagine the future that certain pro-charter folks envision where we can just fire the good teachers — including the one who first spoke out against Rafe — at will? What kind of unethical and scary person who hates kids would support a charter school without a union where the teachers who see abuses are fired and no investigation of the ones who ARE abusive is ever done? Haven’t we already seen how many abusive practices go on in charter schools where principals who have “got to go” lists are promoted and supported and teachers who protest abusive practices are fired?
You have just proved how simple it is to get rid of a bad teacher. Even if that teacher is in a union. Even if that teacher is incredibly popular and has friends in high places. So why are people lying and saying it isn’t in order to justify making it easier to get rid of the good teachers who would speak out about abuse?
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A lot of what’s posted here reminds me of arguments I had in September with a college friend who is a retired lawyer, a former assistant state’s attorney for Vermont who later when into private practice defending school districts against a wide variety of lawsuits (many having to do with failure to provide special education services). Our conflicts dealt with the case of the Muslim kid in Texas who brought a home-made “clock” to school and wound up handcuffed and taken to police headquarters long after the police had ascertained that what he brought in was not a bomb in a “briefcase” (it was a pencil box) or in any way, shape, or form a weapon or object that posed a danger to anyone.
I found it intriguing how my college friend consistently found justifications for every action taken by the police and school officials, while he was able to find a basis to impugn the behavior of the boy and his family at every turn.
I finally suggested that he had a bias engendered by the second half of his legal career. He couldn’t see how I could say such a thing.
I’ve learned to be extremely cautious about what I write in e-mails, not the least of reasons for which being that my sense of humor could easily be turned against me by someone trying to impugn me professionally, politically, and/or personally. I write a lot of sarcastic and ironic things. It’s pretty easy to turn those against someone. I’m reminded of the part in MY COUSIN VINNIE where the two boys are accused of murdering a store clerk and the sheriff testifies that one of them responded under questioning, “I shot the clerk! I shot the clerk!” when in fact he had said, in shock, “I shot the clerk? I shot the clerk?” That small change in emphasis turns incredulity to admission of guilt.
Did Rafe Esquith screw up here to some degree or other? I haven’t the foggiest. Is he a “perv,” as someone so charmingly suggested? Sorry, clueless again. But is he guilty of ANYTHING at all? Not at this point, folks. Not under OUR system of jurisprudence. And anyone who thinks otherwise deserves to be falsely accused of a sex crime and put before the court of public opinion, trial-by-media-leaks-and-innuendo, and see how it feels.
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To Sahila and Dienne:
Your mindset is one of those people who are selfish and materialized.
Giving with intentional expecting of return is very bad attitude. Teaching profession is the most profound selfless profession.
It is sad that all business people have the same thought like yours. As a result, we suffer the chaos in society. Back2basic
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really M4POTW? teaching is the most profound selfless profession? i dont agree with that statement at all…. it’s a global statement that doesnt take into account the very many different motivations people have for becoming teachers….
we dont know each other…. you know nothing about me…
here are some facts for you:
i am not a business person…. i know how the business world works and i can operate in it if i must (indeed, i have done so quite successfully in the past) but i am not a capitalist (nor do i belong to any particular political persuasion) and i dont run a business….
i am not “materialised”….. that last assertion of yours is absolutely hilarious, given my 3D circumstances AND given the fact i am working to bring down the system and build something new not founded/based on money/consumerism AND given i spend a good deal of my time “working” as a shaman….
take care…
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Days later…res ipsa loquitor…the thing speaks for itself.
The only thing we know for certain is that the ‘wack jobs’ and trolls and shills abound.
Beware, site mates, of whom you engage with, and understand that all is generally never what it seems.
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Dienne…just picked up your last note to me here. Thanks…will write to you tomorrow.
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