Dear Marc,
I read your latest post about NAEP scores in which you say you are taking a long view. You dismiss the disappointing results of the 2015 NAEP, which showed almost no gains and some declines. You choose instead to look at the Long-Term Trend NAEP, which has been asking identical questions since 1973. You point out that 17-year-old scores are flat since the early 1970s, which persuades you that we are in big trouble.
For readers, let me explain that there are two different versions of NAEP. The one that was recently reported is called “Main NAEP.” Its curriculum framework is updated every seven to 10 years, and the content changes. Main NAEP is offered in every state every other year, in reading and mathematics. It also periodically tests other subjects, such as history, civics, and science. It gives data for individual states for students in fourth and eighth grades, enabling anyone to compare performance from state to state. It also reports on achievement gaps among students who are white and black, white and Hispanic.
Then there is the “Long-Term Trend” NAEP. It is offered every four years. The reading LTT started in 1971, the math in 1973. Unlike Main NAEP, the content almost never changes, although items that are obsolete are deleted (the one deleted item I recall from my time on the governing board of NAEP was about S&H Green Stamps). It breaks out scores by race and gender.
Marc, you note the impressive progress made by students at ages 9 and 13, especially black and Hispanic students. But you then go on to say that at the current rate of improvement, 80% of students would not reach “proficient” for many decades, perhaps more than a century. I have to disagree with you here, because setting NAEP proficient as a goal is as unrealistic as the NCLB mandate that 100% of American students would be proficient by 2014. NAEP proficient is a very high standard; it represents a very high level of achievement. NAEP started measuring state performance in 1992, and 23 years later, Massachusetts is the only state in the nation where as many as 50% of students have reached NAEP proficient. Why set an impossible goal?
It is true that the scores for 17-year-old students have barely moved, but not for the reasons you cite. It is not that students get dumb as they reach senior year, but that they don’t give a hoot about a test that means nothing to them. When I was on the NAEP governing board, we devoted an entire meeting to discussing the problem of motivation for students at age 17 or senior year. Seniors doodled or made patterns on the answer sheets. They didn’t care what their score was because they knew the test didn’t matter. It didn’t affect their grades; it didn’t affect their college prospects. They would never find out how they did. For them, it was a meaningless exercise. The board considered ways to motivate them. Suppose we offered a pizza party to encourage students to care? Suppose we offered cash prizes? We could not agree on a solution to the problem of motivating high school seniors to take seriously a test that didn’t count.
And that is why I am not surprised or alarmed by the test scores of 17-year-old students on a test that they know doesn’t matter to them.

I suspect that most high school students (9-12) don’t care very much about this test. If I remember correctly, it doesn’t affect their school grades or promotion.
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We’ve been an NAEP school every other year for six years. The kids don’t see their score. All they get is an NAEP pencil and a “certificate of public service.” My 8th graders didn’t really take the test seriously, either.
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Diane,
Thank your for once again explaining, in specific and easy to understand terms, the NAEP test results. The fact that these results are continuously used by different “reformers” to further their views despite clear explanations refuting them, only provides more evidence that they have agendas other than improving student performance.
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Looking at the recently released NAEP scores for the State of New Jersey, NJ’s scores fell for the first time since 1998 which can be considered somewhat worrisome. What is shocking is that for 8th grade students eligible for the lunch program, their English scores fell by 8.99 points (more than any other State in the Nation) and their Math scores fell by 7.11 points (again more than any other State in the Nation)!
Even though NJ’s average student scores still rank at the top of the States in the Nation, these extreme negative aberrations for the “poorer” students should definitely be investigated and hopefully reversed!
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New Jersey’s students who are eligible for free and reduced lunch are the very students that all the reforms are targeting. If we are worried about the “poorer” students look no further than the type of education we are now providing for them. Students in Newark, Paterson, Trenton, Camden and other urban areas are students who have seen arts, music, electives, libraries and other programs close all for more test prep. In my former district students are taught with 5 minute mini lessons and everything else is center work which they barely do. Social studies and science teachers have to teach reading and writing. Everyone has to be on the same page at the same time. The electives were replaced with tutoring periods using a competency based reading software program. The students have figured out ways to get around the program. Surprisingly some students have 2 or 3 periods a day of this program.
Students don’t read any more. That is, they don’t read anything but nonfiction short articles. When they do study a novel, the emphasis is on skills. The teacher reads a section from the novel. Then the students work on a skill. There is no time to read the entire book. Even when the students are engrossed in a passage, the teacher has to move on for fear that a walk through will find her/him off the pacing chart. No time for discussion of meaningful passages or deep understanding. No time to read books. You couldn’t even give these classes fiction books. Teachers recently gave away or threw out most of the fiction in their rooms except for the approved novels.
Then there are the state RAC teams. These RACs are supposed to help but all they seem to do is to tell you what is wrong. They look for objectives on the board, ask students what they are learning, criticize the pacing and reading levels. They don’t actually listen to teachers to find out what the students or teachers need. Teachers have these interruptions constantly. Walk throughs have become “gotchas”.
There has to be a better way! Actually there IS a better way but we are not allowed to use it.
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I wonder how I would have reacted working in a teaching environment like the one you just described during my thirty years in the classroom (1975-2005). I might have lost control and ordered those RAC fools out of my classroom and then I would have been fired. Or maybe my PTSD would have been triggered putting me in total combat mode, and I would have brought my firearms to class and forced the RAC team to leave. Next there would have been a shootout with the police swat team when it arrived and instead of being fired, I’d have been shot dead to be replaced by a TFA recruit.
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To the owner of this blog:
Thank you for setting the record straight.
😎
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Agree 100%, but with caution. It’s true that student motivation is an issue, but attaching undesirable results to the lack of stakes/relevancy/consequences might be exactly the mindset that then leads to attaching reputations/consequences/high stakes.
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NAEP can never have stakes because student takes the whole test. It uses a technique called BIBB sampling. There are never individual scores. Reformers want school scores but so far that has not happened. Not a big enough sample.
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So is what we’re talking about is important people who know better misusing data to prove a bad point? How does real science and practice continue to go ignored while ignorance gets promoted??? Never mind, don’t answer that. Thank you for all you do, Diane, and I hope the approaching holidays find you well.
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“. . . misusing data to prove a bad point”
Since the data is fundamentally conceptually invalid, as proven by Wilson, then any usage of the data to prove any point can only end up with the point supposedly proven being “bad”, i.e., COMPLETELY INVALID.
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I wonder if Marc ever had to work with seniors who clearly had a bad case of senioritis and stopped working months before high school graduation. I worked with seniors who had been straight A students for years but then their grades for the second semester of their senior year dropped drastically to D’s and sometimes even an F.
I knew one senior who was accepted to U.C. Davis and once that acceptance letter arrived he stopped working and his grades dropped like a dumb bomb. But U.C. Davis warned all the college freshman they accepted that they could lose their seat after the grades for the second semester of their senior year arrived if the grades dropped below a certain GPA. Guess what happened to this one boy? Davis kicked him out and he had to move back home where his parents charged him rent so he had to get a fast food job on poverty wages. The next year he started over again but at a 2 year community college and two years later he was back at Davis. His parents were really mad because the trusted him and he had lied to them that he was keeping up with his work.
When I was the student high school newspapers faculty adviser, one years I worked with the student editor in chief for more than two years and she never missed a deadline for her editorials until the second semester of her senior year. We had a long talk and she promised to try harder but she admitted she just didn’t feel like it anymore. That was thirty years ago. She’s a lawyer today.
Another student editor in another year stopped showing up to class and when I checked she had skipped all of her classes for two weeks becasue she was running around with several of her senior friends partying. From K to 12th, she had been a straight A student and her parents were crushed when i called them. They trusted her and thought she was at school ever day. When we met, the tears steamed down her face in shame.
The Urban Dictionary has this definition for Senioritis:
noun. A crippling disease that strikes high school seniors. Symptoms include: laziness, an over-excessive wearing of track pants, old athletic shirts, sweatpants, athletic shorts, and sweatshirts. Also features a lack of studying, repeated absences, and a generally dismissive attitude. The only known cure is a phenomenon known as Graduation.
NBC News even ran this story about Senioritis that starts out: “The college application process is over, graduation is approaching and spring is in full bloom, making conditions ripe for a highly contagious phenomenon among high schoolers: “senioritis.”
“Also nicknamed a “senior slump,” senioritis is when students get a bad case of slacking off at the end of senior year of high school. While it can be tempting to stop caring about schoolwork and start focusing more on fun activities like prom and parties, letting final grades slide can have serious consequences.”
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/freshman-year/dont-catch-senioritis-it-could-cost-you-your-college-acceptance-n358256
I am amazed but not surprised that the corporate education reformer demolition derby fraudsters do not seem to know this when they see the test results of high school seniors. In fact, I expect that these fraudsters would quickly dismiss Senioritis as fiction and claim it doesn’t exist and can’t be used as an excuse while the fire more public school teachers and close more public schools.
More from NBC:
“According to the National Association for College Admission Counseling, 22 percent of colleges revoked an admissions offer in 2009, the most recent year that the group collected data of this sort. Final grades were responsible for the majority of the revocations — 65.3 percent — followed by disciplinary information learned about a student and falsified applications.”
I know what the fraudsters will do even after reading this from NBC. They will blame the teachers for the senioritis too and use that as another excuse to fire them and close public schools.
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No, Diane, can’t you see? The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. . .
Because it HAS to be so.
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Ha, the sky isn’t falling. The corporate education reform demolition derby is pulling the sky down and replacing it with pure CO2.
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Lloyd,
Not CO2 but CH4! CO2 is for amateurs.
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Thanks.
I had to look up CH4 = Methane
And then I found this through Google form Scientific American.
Why Is There More Methane in the Atmosphere?
Levels of the potent greenhouse gas continue to rise and scientists aren’t sure where most of it is coming from, though likely suspects include fracking, increased coal mining in China and a melting Arctic
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-there-more-methane-in-the-atmosphere/
And digging deeper:
Carbon dioxide has increased by 31% since 1750, but methane has increased by 149%! More than two-thirds of this increase can be attributed to human activities. …
Remarkably, it is domestic hoofed-mammals like cows and sheep that are amongst the planet’s major emitters of methane. By eating and digesting large quantities of grass, then burping and farting methane into the atmosphere, livestock contribute 21% of human-induced methane emissions.
http://oceanlink dot island dot net/ONews/ONews7/methane dot html
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I’m gonna have fun with this on Lloyd: “By eating and digesting large quantities of grass, then burping and farting methane into the atmosphere, livestock contribute 21% of human-induced methane emissions.”
Anyone see the disconnect?
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LOL
I was going to mention that meat eaters are contributing to global warming and the end of life as we know it. What happens when we get stuck in a room with nothing but methane to breathe?
For instance:
A terrible diet and room with no ventilation are being blamed for the death
of a man killed by his own gas. There were no marks found on his body, but
an autopsy revealed the presence of large amounts of methane dissolved in
his blood.
His diet had consisted primarily of beans and cabbage, just the right
combination of foods to produce a severe gas attack. It appears that the
man died in his sleep from breathing the poisonous cloud that was hanging
over his bed.
Had his windows been open, the flatulence wouldn’t have been fatal, but the
man was shut up in a nearly airtight bedroom. He was an obese man with an
unlimited capacity for creating the deadly gas. Three rescuers became sick
and one was hospitalized.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/fat-man-farts-himself-to-death.452745968/
I read this story in the media when it broke. This guy was so big (obese), I recall that they had to remove the roof over his bed room and bring in a large crane to lift out the body.
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I’d better be careful to not light up an after dinner relaxer when I fix them beans and cabbage this weekend.
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When I was in the Marines and stationed in Okinawa for some training in transit to Vietnam, there was a guy in my unit who used matches to light his farts and—this is the absolute truth—blue flames shot out of that orifice.
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“The Tucker-Totter”
Tucker’s like a teetor-totter
One week tests are bad
Next week test is like the daughter
That he never had
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Wait a second. I’m sorry I’m so slow, but I just connected the dots. Is this the same Marc Tucker who wrote the infamous “Letter to Hillary” in 1992 about using the White House to create a national, cradle to grave database that would place humans in jobs rather than educating and allowing them freedom of choice? That Marc Tucker?!? THE Marc Tucker? The eugenics lauding, neofascist Marc Tucker?! Seriously?!? Oh, that does it! Get this science fiction monster-Nazi out in the open for all to see. He is public enemy number one!
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