This is a wonderful interview in which EduShyster asks great questions of Karen Lewis. Karen responds candidly and knocks every one of them out of the park, as is her way. She speaks about race, politics, and her health.
EduShyster begins by asking Karen about the wave of protests that followed the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner. Karen responded:
We don’t really like to talk about race and class, but they underpin both of these issues. I’m 61 years old, which means I went through the original Civil Rights Movement—it’s not just history to me. But I also know from history that the extra-judicial killing of Black men is nothing new in our society. The difference is that we have social media, we have recordings, and so you have a movement of people demanding accountability. What’s been really interesting to me is that you see the same concepts emerging whether we’re talking about policing or education: compliance, obedience and a loss of dignity. I’m going to tell you what to do and if you don’t do it, I’ll just take your life. The same with schools: if you don’t do what I tell you to do, I’ll just take your school. To me, this is a very interesting co-mingling of what justice really looks like and it’s very different for different people.
EduShyster says that today’s “reform” movement starts from the assumption that nothing can be done about poverty. She asks Karen for her view, and Karen answers:
You have to reframe the question to ask *why not?* Some of these people act as though poverty and wealth inequality just occur naturally, and that we just need to sit back and wait for the invisible hand to work its magic. Well, you look around Chicago and you see that hand isn’t invisible, in fact it’s perfectly visible, and it’s slapping people left and right. This, by the way, is why I think the fight for $15 an hour for low-wage workers is so important, and why I believe that teachers have to get involved in organizations that work for social and economic justice. Even Mayor Emanuel has capitulated on the wage issue. Funny how a re-election campaign can do that.
EduShyster notes that many media types refer to Lewis as “confrontational,” but in fact she emphasizes coalition-building. She asks Karen to talk about her style of leadership:
I was elected because I started talking about things that no one ever talks about. Typically during teacher union campaign season, what you hear is *I can get you a better raise than the last person.* I’ve been in the system for 25 years—26 now actually—and that’s the way it’s always been. What I kept saying was that *we need to build alliances with our natural allies, who are the parents.* Once we start building alliances with parents, then we stop blaming each other. Right now the system has us blaming them for not doing their jobs and not preparing their kids for school, and has them blaming us for being lazy or not doing what we need to do. Building alliances makes a difference because you’re stronger, because people can’t just pick you off. I’ve always talked about trying to recreate the strength of the union by sharing it with other folks who lack power. Now there are people who still don’t believe in that vision. They’re convinced that if we just enforced the contract, all of our woes would end. Well, that’s crazy. It’s not just enforcing the contract, it’s about building a political force. That’s how we change the laws that govern what happens in our classrooms.
There is much, much more. Read the interview and enjoy the conversation with a wonderful, brilliant woman who caused a political earthquake in Chicago and far beyond.

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Great interviewer with a great communicator. The bond deals for preschool are the hot new investment product being considered or on the books in 14 states.
Get ready for the great outsourcing of “troublesome” students to entrepeneurs who will offer silver bullet solutions in deals that are conjured by one-stop-shop financial houses. So called Social Impact Bonds or Pay-for-Sucess contracts are “hot” and come with major support from foundations and a $100 million jumpstart from your tax dollars, courtesy of Obama, Arne, and McKinsey & Co. Premise is: better and more efficient results can be “had” if you by-pass government programs and put investment bankers in charge of finding the best “service providers.”
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Karen Lewis, I love you and all your efforts toward the public education cause. Hope you get well to fight many more days. But you’re right. Unions are probably more important now than at any time but they must adjust their tactics and bring in groups who have not had a voice to work together to get good public schools, good public teachers for public education. That’s what unions are best at, improving the working conditions of workers and fighting for their rights. If a union is not about this, it is a failed union Los Angeles has got to get on the right page now. Inequalities and deprofessionalization of its members is not something that can wait or be gradually dealt with. Get bold, get organized and start fighting your fight, not the one the district wants you to.
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It’s refreshing and uplifting to read what a real teacher and trade unionist has to say, unlike the counterfeits who betray and mislead in Washington and NYC.
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Here’s a real story.
At a meeting, I brought up the issue child poverty in this country and all that comes along with being in poverty, specifically emphasizing how being impoverished affects learning.
The ONLY response I received was: “There’s nothing we can do about poverty.” My mouth hung open. I was totally shocked by this response. I have thought about this person’s response (“There’s nothing we can do about poverty.”) quite a bit, because it did and still bothers me so much. Over time I have come to the realization that the individual who said this is a person of privilege.
How many people of privilege are in Congress and other positions of power believe that there is nothing they can do about poverty? How many people who have managed to get out of poverty say, “I did it alone. So can the other poor people.” Do any of us really “DO LIFE” ALL ALONE?
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As always, Diane, you have such kind things to say about me. The truth is, we haven’t caused an earthquake, but we are working on reframing the issues and focusing on new ways to work with our students, their parents and communities. Chicago is such a dysfunctional system. Our members fear for their jobs. That fear is palatable. The inequity is even more obvious. For a tiny, but real example: A teacher friend has her child in a school in a gentrified area of town. She teaches in the “ghetto”. Her child was told they’re having a pizza party today. The “ghetto” school sent out a memo saying there would be no pizza parties today. Small things are indicative of larger issues.
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